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Offline Lynda Bradford

The Maiden Round the World Voyage of QE2 – 4 January 1975 to 6 April 1975

I recently bought a promotional brochure for QE2's maiden World Cruise which is a lovely item with interesting photos and information.  I am not sure if I can scan because of the size but if I can I will do.  However I thought you may be interested in some of the facts.  

QE2 visited 23 Ports in 92 Days on her maiden World Cruise in 1975.  Cunard’s promotion brochure states “Because QE2 is faster than the average cruise ships you spend more time in port. “  

Of the 23 ports of call there were eleven where the ship stay overnight or longer.  I do not know how this compares with later World Cruises!  Does anyone know?

Overnight stays in port:

New York
Rio de Janeiro
Cape Town
Durban
Mombasa
Bali
Kobe
Honolulu


Longer stays in port:

Bombay, India  – 11 to 15 February
Hong Kong – 27 February to 2 March
Yokohama, Japan – 7 to 10 March


The costs of the 1975 World Cruise

It was necessary for a fuel charge to be added to the cost of the cruise (some things do not change).  It was stated that the price rises were caused by the price rise caused by oil producing states and also by a World shortage of fuel oil.  Now that brings back some memories of the oil crises in the 70’s.  I seem to remember being issued with coupons for petrol but these were never used.  

I will scan the price sheet and post for information.  The range was as follows:

Singles

From grade WN deck five:  inside - £3395  
to grade OE deck one:   outside - £5250

Doubles

From grade U: inside on deck 5 five £2360
To grade A: outside on signal deck £9580
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Offline Lynda Bradford

Brochure ports of call (differ slight to actual ports of call) for the Maiden round-the-world voyage of Queen Elizabeth 2:

January 1975
Saturday 4 January:         Depart Southampton at 1200.  Arrive Cherbourg 1900. Depart Cherbourg 2030
Thursday 9 January:        Arrive New York 0900
Friday 10 January  :         Depart New York 2100
Sunday 12 January:         Arrive Port Everglades 1300;  Depart 1700
Wednesday 15 January:   Arrive Curacao 0800; Depart 1800
Monday 20 January:         Arrive Salvador, Bahia 0800;  Depart 2359
Wednesday 22 January:   Arrive Rio de Janeiro 0800
Thursday 23 January:      Depart Rio de Janeiro 2359
Wednesday 29 January:   Arrive Cape Town 0800
Thursday 30 January:       Depart Cape Town 2359

February 1975
Saturday 1 February:       Arrive Durban 0800
Sunday 2 February:         Depart Durban 1600
Wednesday 5 February:    Arrive Mombasa 0900
Thursday 6 February:       Depart Mombasa 1800
Saturday 8 February:       Arrive Mahe Seychelles Depart 1700
Tuesday 11 February:      Arrive Bombay 1400
Saturday 15 February:     Depart Bombay 1900
Monday 17 February:       Arrive Colombo 0800 Depart 1900
Thursday 20 February:    Arrive Singapore 0800 Depart 1900
Saturday 22 February:    Arrive Bali 0800
Sunday 23 February:      Depart depart Bali 1900
Thursday 27 February:    Arrive Hong Kong 0800

March 1975
Sunday 2 March:             Depart Hong Kong 2359
Wednesday 5 March:       Arrive Kobe 0800
Thursday 6 March:           Depart Kobe 1900
Friday 7 March:               Arrive Yokohama 1300
Monday 10 March:           Depart Yokohama 1900
Saturday 15 March:         Arrive Honolulu 0800
Sunday 16 March:           Depart Honolulu 0700
Thursday 20 March:        Arrive Los Angeles 0800; Depart 1900
Sunday 23 March:           Arrive Acapulco 0800; Depart 1900
Wednesday 26 March:     Arrive Balboa 0600 in brochure but did not call there in actual WC
Wednesday 26 March:     IN TRANSIT PANAMA CANAL
Wednesday 26 March:     Arrive Cristobal 1700; Depart 1800 in brochure but did not call there in actual WC
Thursday 27 March:        Arrive Cartagena 0800; Depart 1400
Friday 28 March:                      Jamaica
Saturday 29 March:        Arrive Port Everglades 1700; Depart 1900
Monday 31 March:          Arrive New York 0900; Depart 2100
Saturday 5 April:             Arrive Southampton






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Source:  Cunard Brochure/Booklet

« Last Edit: Jan 26, 2017, 12:29 PM by Lynda Bradford »
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Offline Bob C.

Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #2 on: Jul 07, 2013, 01:04 PM »
I remember being extremely excited about this voyage being very much into my QE2 fanaticism at this point with 5 transAtlantic crossings under my belt.  I tracked her every port on the above schedule and this was well before internet and AIS!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #3 on: Dec 30, 2013, 05:01 PM »
I was on this Maiden World Cruise as a 19yr old in the bakers shop. I will relate a few of the impressions that I remember in various posts. I will start with Yokohama.

We docked and very shortly a queue of Japanese developed on the pier where a long long , very orderly, line about 6 persons wide would slowly walk and take photos of the ship. They were absolutely in awe of the ship and its crew and would shyly return our waves with a giggle and covering their mouths.

I went ashore with some friends the 2nd day bit late and took a few old printed menu's to give away. Before I knew it they were handing us money in exchange. They all wanted a souvenir. Anything from the ship with QE2 on it was highly desirable so we went back on board and scoured for anything that was available and returned to the Pier and took about 30 mins to dispose of everything. We went into town and soon realized nobody at all spoke English nor were there any English letters to be seen anywhere. We walked into a shopping center and saw a team promoting (warm) sake which we had never had before. Using sign language and plenty of laughing we started on the free samples..having got the taste for it we wanted more so when they finally indicated politely no more freebies we brought out some of the money we got earlier and started to binge for about 2 hours. During this time we found a Japanese who had attached to us and we indicated that we were looking for dancing and pretty girls and eventually he wrote something on paper for the taxi driver . 

Off we went about 5pm and found the place in about an hour. 1950's tea dance in a community hall where the youngsters ..overdressed in Sunday best and girls and boys sitting on opposite sides of the room was the scene. They were absolutely shocked to see foreigners in their space and in almost total silence looked at us as if we were aliens from another planet and after 3-4 mins nothing was changing so we left before they all did and in the absence of finding any entertainment Western style we somehow managed to get back to the ship now the Sake was starting to take effect.

The queues for viewing continued day and night unrelenting. We had never seen anything like this at any other port of call. The next day a few of us jumped on the "bloods" tourist bus ( totally ok in those days in any port) and did the city tour including temple..gardens and the Tower http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokohama_Marine_Tower  so saw a bit of Japanese culture. Ate in a small resto by pointing to plastic shiny models of the food and paid with our collected Yen ..more sake :)

Next day finally found the entertainment area (Edit..  which was a train ride to Tokyo..Yokohama is the nearest Port and there's not much there. It was actually a Tokyo visit for the passengers) and we were all young fit lads and a big hit in the area. Passed thru a pachinka parlour , the fist place where they took no notice of a foreigner, and stayed briefly in my first ever Love Hotel which was another eye opening experience of how they really look after/pamper youin a quiet slow and respectful fashion.

Last day and the line is still there. we start blowing kisses and we get a call in the bakers shop from upstairs ( highly ..highly unusual but I suppose the officers were also amazed at the reponse the ship and crew were receiving) that a Japanese has fallen in love and wants to contact the boy that was blowing kisses. As a lot of us were, it was hard to tell which one it was so naturally we all claimed it but had no idea what the girl looked like nor any inclination for contact, being "men of the world" lol

This was a truly exceptionally unique experience so therefore I have started with this one. More to follow.


This looks like the 1st day and the queue just built up continuously. hover over image to enlarge.

EDIT.. Beneath the photo it actually states this is the 2nd arrival in 2 yrs and 200,000 people came to view so you can imagine how many more came on the 1st arrival :)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Press-Photo-Queen-Elizabeth-II-Yokohama-Tokyo-Harbor-/370683539904

This video is later (as its in colour lol)  but is the same side of the pier we berthed in 1975
« Last Edit: Jan 08, 2014, 01:02 PM by Gary Baltao »

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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #4 on: Dec 30, 2013, 06:44 PM »
Seychelles

One of the most beautiful clean beaches and Ocean I have ever experienced.

We arrive in town and I pass the post office to send 4 or 5 commemorative  covers        http://stampwants-stamps.bidstart.com/Seychelles-1975-Ocean-Liner-QEII-Visit-MNH-Sc-323-326-/25699442/a.html with a special frank which we had to queue to get, back to the UK. Jumped on a mini bus in search of beaches. On a 30min ride through narrow winding road with lush vegetation and large leafed tropical plants and trees on both sides we arrive at some upmarket hotel. We enter and have a bit of resistance initially with the staff as we are not guests. After assuring them that we will spend money on drinks and explaining we are from the QE2 we are allowed to use the beach and the beach furniture's.

WOW.  So clear water..beautiful light paradise blue and perfect temperature and feel to the sea. White sand, not too powdery that your foot sinks and makes it hard to walk nor too grainy that it is rough of the soles and between the toes as Goldilocks would say .."just right"

As the water would lap the shore there were small white shells about an inch across that would open and as the water receded they would close again in a rhythmic calm and soothing fashion. We saw a large green sea turtle on a nearby but inaccessible beach half in the sea.

I have no idea what the food is like there as the whole day it was swim / snorkel and  planters punch served in a coconut which is one of the best I have tasted. We kept getting "punched"until we were almost knocked out..as usual. This is/was one of the best places on earth for peaceful existence and in harmony with nature. I do not know if it has changed as it became flavour of the decade in the 80's for upmarket UK tourists but at that time it was close to heaven on Earth.

EDIT

I have just amazed myself and remembered the name of the Hotel, searched it and am 100% spot on, I immediately recognized . The Coral (Beach before) Strand  and here it is

http://en.seyvillas.com/hotel-coral-strand

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=coral+reef+hotel+seychelles&client=firefox-a&hs=a9C&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=V1bIUq2FKPG7iAfUh4D4DA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=917#q=coral+strand+hotel+seychelles&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch

:)

Although one  site says built in 1980 they are wrong. I remember the beach view and 4 story white rooms in 1975 clearly.
Thanks to the digital age I can now take you there


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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #5 on: Jan 04, 2014, 08:49 AM »
Bali

We were getting short 1 day stops in a number of the ports. Bali, which at that time was not over developed for tourists, was one of those 8am to 6pm visits so what do you do in the short time?

We had made a lot of beach visits so this time we decided to rent motorbikes which were on offer where the launches were offloading  to tour as much as we could. About 9 am we were all set and off we went.

Most of the views were rice fields and greenery

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=salvador+bahia&client=firefox-a&hs=ZXi&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=AcHHUobdNoTYigfp3YDADA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=917#q=Bali+rice+fields&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch

as opposed to beaches

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=salvador+bahia&client=firefox-a&hs=ZXi&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=AcHHUobdNoTYigfp3YDADA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=917#q=Bali&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch

This started to be fun.. There was hardly any traffic so it was off to the races for the 5 of us and we were joined later by more crew who had rented .  The highlight of the day was encountering a young lady bathing in the river. We did not understand yet that nudity in Asia, particularly in poor areas ( and Japan) was not taboo like the Victorian Western view we held so as we stopped to view and were exchanging waves and smiles rather than the girl running off it was entertaining.

We  did find a beach and swam for a while near some old style Balinese wooden houses but there were almost no facilities nearby for food or drink so back on the bikes more racing  . we stopped a few times by pagoda/ temples but I honestly cant remember which ones now. These are typical and could well have been the ones we saw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balinese_temple

The last events were I came off the bike without injury on a wet corner but lost the cover of the speedometer. On returning the bike this was noticed and a noisy claim was made by the owner for $10 then $5 as compensation.  As my pockets were empty I bartered to give my wet socks I was carrying which he accepted but asked for more as I hurriedly boarded the launch to return to ship. I never saw Bali again but I did see on the news the massive development that followed (and the bomb blast) . The rapid development was similar in speed to  Pattaya ( another story) which I first visited in 1968 with my brother when there was not a single Hotel or Bar. When I returned in 1983 on the QE2 it was throbbing and seedy and we left at least 2 crew members behind (one went through a plate glass window on his rented bike). I was woken up to catch the last launch.

« Last Edit: Jan 04, 2014, 09:03 AM by Gary Baltao »

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #6 on: Jan 04, 2014, 10:17 AM »
Thank you, Gary! I love those memories -- beautiful places and the camaraderie of the crew.

Thank you also for the images, which make it easier to imagine the landscapes.

It must have been extraordinary to be in all these places for the first time. Presumably there were very few (or even no) ships at the time making world cruises, so you saw these places before they were flooded by "if this is Tuesday, it must be Bali" style tourists. And so, you saw that lovely young lady enjoying her bath in the river and giving you a friendly wave. No doubt, her daughters and granddaughters no longer do the same thing...

I wonder how the decision came about to send QE2 off on a world cruise? It must have involved tremendous preparations...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #7 on: Jan 04, 2014, 12:59 PM »
Dear Isabelle
 It is a pleasure to write a little and recall some of the experiences. Another part of the reason is to be able to inform my 9 children of what life and work was like at that time and in those circumstances. Communication is difficult in today's busy lifestyle so I am able to produce a permanent record thanks to this site and send them a link to view when they have some time.

Due to the Western influence (accompanied with adverse experiences most probably) her daughters in Bali would no longer act in that innocent and unashamed fashion. However, I am a frequent visitor to Mindanao and there are still areas which are "backward" ( or forwards/unspoiled, depending on your opinions) and farmers families would act in a similar manner even today. I suspect that areas of Borneo and Africa may be similar.  It is strange that education in some cases modifies behavior repressively. The Japanese in particular have not succumbed to this to a large extent.

The World Cruise was certainly a triumph in logistics. I did a little search and Cunard claim to have the first World Cruise by the Laconia in 1922

http://www.cunard.com/cruise-types/world-cruises/

We are famous for our World Cruises having completed the first cruise in 1922 and are known for offering the best and most authentic World Cruise.

But there were a few ALMOST world cruises as early as 1891

http://thecruisepeople.wordpress.com/2013/08/04/the-first-world-cruises-from-1891-to-1923/

Contrary to what most sources say, world cruising did not start with Cunard Line’s Laconia in 1922, but actually got its start way back in 1891 when Canadian Pacific took delivery of the first of three new Empresses, the 5,920-ton Empress of India.


Cunard Line’s claim that its 19,680-ton Laconia made the first world cruise in 1922-23 is correct only insofar as this was the first complete circumnavigation of the world by a cruise ship, something that obviously could not be done before the Panama Canal opened in 1914. The first full circumnavigation by Laconia thus left New York in November 1922, took 130 days and called at twenty-two ports on her way around the world.

From the point of view of young crewmen in 1975 who were lucky enough to be able to tour at almost every Port ( thanks to the old guys..been there done that ..let the youngsters go ..attitude) It was a life changing experience. It would be a good idea to send 100 youngsters to work their passage every trip to broaden their outlook , but that's not going to happen . sadly.

I wonder how the decision came about to send QE2 off on a world cruise?

Due to Jets and Jumbo jets the passenger/transatlantic market was under pressure and vacation cruising filled the gap. The World Cruise concept was the advertising/propaganda vehicle to provide impetus to the now multi billion Cruise market industry. 

http://www.hillmanwonders.com/cruise_history/cruise_history.htm

« Last Edit: Jan 04, 2014, 01:15 PM by Gary Baltao »

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #8 on: Jan 04, 2014, 03:41 PM »
QE2 undertook 25 World Cruises and 10 ‘extended’ voyages in her career (total 35). Her ‘rivals’ for the World Cruise crown were Rotterdam (1959), Canberra and Saga Rose (ex Sagafjord).

While I don’t have exact (nor the breakdowns between world cruises and extended voyages) the statistics established for these ships are:

      Saga Rose      44
      QE2         35
      Rotterdam      29
      Canberra      ??

The nearest Cunarders to QE2 was Franconia (1923) which was a prolific world cruiser before the Second World War and Caronia (1949) which undertook 13 such voyages in the 1950s and 1960s.

While QE2 did not undertake her first World Cruise until 1975 there were initial discussions within Cunard in January 1967 about sending her on such a voyage at the end of January 1969. The Passenger Director was keen for her to go world cruising as the revenue potential was very high but on the understanding that any voyages before that would be strictly for non-revenue passengers to ensure a smooth shakedown period for the ship and to gain maximum impact from the World Cruise, and from subsequent North Atlantic voyages.

There was some discussion as to the advisability of scheduling a World Cruise so early in the ship’s operational service, the Technical Director underlined the risks not so much of a mechanical breakdown during the cruise, but as of a similar breakdown causing a public postponement or cancellation of the cruise. The Managing Director pointed out, however, before the World Cruise starting at the end of January 1969, then ship would have been at sea for 38 days, of which 24 would have been in effect as a passenger ship. Captain Warwick was in favour of such a cruise, and it was agreed that, particularly if the speed were limited, as would be required for the necessary ports of call, such a cruise was a reasonable proposition.

Given the fact that QE2’s January to May 1969 programme had to be cancelled in the end the fact a World Cruise was not planned was probably a good thing!

Cunard’s placement of QE2 into the World Cruise market was only a matter of time given the fact that in 1969 the Atlantic liner United States undertook 39-day cruise from and to New York to Rio de Janeiro and Cape Town (23 January – 3 March) and it was planned to send United States on a 55-day Pacific voyage in 1970 – this did not take place as the liner was taken out of service in 1969. Even France, QE2’s nearest competitor was sent on a World Cruise in 1972 and 1974.

Cunard announced in May 1973 that QE2 would undertake her first World Cruise in early 1975.

Nigel Thompson, Cunard’s Managing Director, stated: “We think QE2 is the best ship afloat for this type of cruise.”

Such a massive undertaking required a colossal amount of logistical planning, and to this end Robin Woodall (a future QE2 Captain) was despatched with “a folder full of tickets, a fistful full of dollars, and a case of charts” to visit 28 proposed ports and report back on all aspects of their facilities, including their ability to handle the 1,000 tons of rubbish the ship would unload. All told, Captain Woodall travelled 38,000 miles in 52 days.

Prior to her first World Cruise proper QE2 had undertaken long cruises to the Mediterranean (her first cruise there being a Southampton to Southampton trip, 22 April – 7 May 1970) and the Israeli Charter which lasted from 14 April to 13 May.

First Extended Voyage

Her first extended voyage was probably her first time to Cape Town in 1970 and back but this does not count in terms of World Cruise and Extended Voyage history due to the time of year it was undertaken.

      23 October 1970      New York
      28 October 1970      Las Palmas
      30 October 1970      Dakar
      3 November 1970      Luanda
      7 November 1970      Durban
      8 November 1970      Durban
      10 November 1970      Cape Town
      11 November 1970      Cape Town
      12 November 1970      Cape Town
      17 November 1970      Rio de Janeiro
      18 November 1970      Rio de Janeiro
      20 November 1970      Dahia
      25 November 1970      Curacao
      26 November 1970      St Thomas   
      29 November 1970      New York

QE2 did undertake other extended voyages in the April – December period.

World Cruises, or its equivalent in time, the Great Pacific Cruise, provided useful employment for QE2 during three months of the year at a time of the year when crossing the Atlantic was not desirable.

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #9 on: Jan 04, 2014, 04:13 PM »
Thank you very much, Gary and Michael, for your amazing replies! I am in awe of your expertise and your willingness to share it. Never had I realised that world cruising had started so early...

Puzzled too by the fact that "extended voyages" are only counted as extended voyages if they take place at a certain time of year! That long transatlantic cruise to Cape Town must have been a eye-opening adventure...

Offline Lynda Bradford

Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #10 on: Jan 04, 2014, 04:25 PM »
Garry thanks for adding your story to this topic, which really brings to life QE2's first World Cruise. It must have been amazing to cruise the world in 1975 when everything was not so commercialised and I look forward to hearing more of your memories. 

 I was so impressed that you are writing the story so that your family will have a record of your time at sea. I know what you mean about family not appearing to be interested but at some point in time they will wish they had asked more questions and will be glad that you have had the foresight to write this record. 

Thanks also to Michael for delving into the historical records to give us the additional information. 
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 04, 2014, 05:27 PM »
I am loving this thread.

World cruises were always my favourite voyages on QE2, the ones I was on were all enjoyable for various reasons. I was fortunate enough to have done four of them 79, 80, 81, and 82, but to have done that very first one must have been amazing. All those maiden visits, especially to places where large scale tourism had not yet spoiled them.

Thanks Gary for bringing it to life with your memories and thanks Michael for all the background information, fascinating stuff.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 04, 2014, 09:29 PM »
Puzzled too by the fact that "extended voyages" are only counted as extended voyages if they take place at a certain time of year! That long transatlantic cruise to Cape Town must have been a eye-opening adventure...

Similarly, I have to ask the corollary question of why it only counts as a World Cruise at certain times of the year as well?

Surely if a ship carries out a circumnavigation with paying passengers, it logically is a World Cruise whether it sets off in January or June?

In the case of October to November 1970, QE2 appears to have stayed within the bounds of the Atlantic so I would agree that one would not be a World Cruise, however.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 05, 2014, 09:57 AM »
Similarly, I have to ask the corollary question of why it only counts as a World Cruise at certain times of the year as well?

Surely if a ship carries out a circumnavigation with paying passengers, it logically is a World Cruise whether it sets off in January or June?

In the case of October to November 1970, QE2 appears to have stayed within the bounds of the Atlantic so I would agree that one would not be a World Cruise, however.

I agree, a circumnavigation at anytime is still a round the world expedition.  However, in the context of QE2 the post-New Year/pre-easter slot was her time for undertaking any full circumnavigation. It was not uncommon for the early Cunard vessel pioneers of World Cruising to embark on voyages of 6 months or so, departing in or around October! 

However, I consider the definitions of what constitutes an extended cruise to be less clear and therefore open to interpretation.  My definition is not one of geographical location or indeed calendar, I simply refer to the duration of the voyage.  For my data project I have arbitrarily assumed anything longer than 30 days is an extended cruise, provided of course it is not a circumnavigation.  Again in the context of QE2 I have so far only found one year in which she embarked on a full World Cruise and also an extended cruise (as per the definition), 2004.
« Last Edit: Jan 23, 2014, 11:50 AM by CAP »

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #14 on: Jan 05, 2014, 10:32 AM »
CAP explains it much better than I did!


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« Reply #15 on: Jan 08, 2014, 10:00 AM »
Bombay  (Mumbai)  like Peking is Beijing..probably too many gin and tonics when they related the name for British listeners.

The first impression was the poverty....beggars everywhere and lots of them. Not only beggars but they looked rough,sickly, thin,  ragged clothing, super dirty  with the accompanying smells of tramps on meths up the West End in the 60's/70's. These people were in need.  As we walked out of the port they crowded round, Women offered babies to take back to the ship ( in search of a better life). This was culture shock to us young first time travelers.

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=bombay+beggars+1975&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Tg_NUqz_AaXtiAexj4GoDA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=917#q=bombay+street+beggars+offers+child&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch


It was easier to ignore than engage so that's what we did and made our way to the Hanging Gardens "tourist " spot. Well it looked nothing like the clean pictures I googled today and the entrance was crowded with ..more beggars. It was just a garden and of little interest save for the story that it was called the Hanging Garden as it was a popular place to commit suicide by ..hanging. I have not see this story on the internet so it could have been just a tale, but we were told that 2 days before there had been one found.

I have attached a picture from google that depicts what the streets were like at that time, crowded  bustling and its pretty close as the vehicles in the picture are typical of those in 1975 Bombay.

We moved on to the swimming club but it was run down so we wanted to swim in the nearby sea. Not a good idea we were told as there were sharks ( probably they meant the human variety) so not much else happened that day.

Another strange sight was cows in the street amongst the traffic. This was when I learned the Hindu religion regards cows as sacred and they get priority in traffic..ergo no steaks

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=bombay+beggars+1975&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Tg_NUqz_AaXtiAexj4GoDA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=917#q=bombay+cows+in+traffic&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch

In summary.. an area of the world which at that time was a throw back to Colonial Rule with extreme poverty and hardship. This is mixed with a totally non western suppressed cultural melting pot  of predominantly Hindus .

Thankfully there has been rapid growth in India and Mumbai is the financial center and major beneficiary. The pictures I googled show a far cleaner, modern and orderly City with (outwardly) few signs of the 1975 impression of abject poverty for the majority of the population. Poverty obviously still exists but not on the scale of 1975

The attached picture was found here..thanks to frontline india

Documenting Bombay: In "Arrival" (1980) by Mani Kaul.

http://www.frontline.in/arts-and-culture/cinema/narrating-actuality/article5186111.ece#test
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 08, 2014, 11:51 AM »
Colombo (Ceylon) Sri Lanka

NICE...Just a day trip but really nice..relaxed no begging after coming from Bombay. Good weather.

We dock and there is a Band welcoming us in. Smiling faces and flower Lei's for passengers disembarking (I got one too)

We enter the town which at that time was undeveloped with little traffic and no sky scrapers and see elephants bathing ( pay for photo with them option) which probably wont be seen often nowadays, We jump in and"auto rickshaw' (tut tut in Bangkok) and say beach.

A short ride and we arrive. When we alight we are approached and offered gem stones wrapped in plain white paper, black tigers eye, sapphires, purple/ yellow /green ..we are not in the market ( particularly if they are fake)  There is a path up to a colonial style wooden  building which had a lot of black wooden railings and windows frames. At the top there was a fantastic view as far as the eye could see of a long stretch of beach, down we go to the beach and swim. Not the calmest water we've been to so quite a work out.

Back to ship.. Band Plays us out and we sail for Singapore.

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 09, 2014, 04:48 PM »
Singapore

Short stop once again. I have decided to fly to Manila from HK (with permission) in a few days to see my Dad and siblings so I need to find a travel agent to get a ticket.

We disembark and there are red rickshaws which are of the tourist photo OP type and and some of the crew hire for the experience and to mess around..taking turns to sit or pull it which puzzles the onlookers. I jump in a yellow top taxi (yellow top/black body) and give  the address of the travel agent. The ride shows clean  streets , orderly traffic and no jay walking. I arrive at the travel agent, book and pay for the ticket but am told to return after lunch to collect it so I have time on my hands. Outside the agents there is a narrow alley, I take a look and see it is stalls selling goods. Watches , umbrellas, radio's , sun glasses. I look at the watches..pretty average ( naff) and chuckle to myself when I see Rolex on some of them. First time I had seen "knock offs" and they were so unlike the real thing that only a twit would be fooled .

What to do now for a few hours?  Well some mates had said they were going to find the Kai Tai's at Bugis St so I took a taxi there and found a lot of the crew already drinking and laughing  and this is what we found..(black and white pics are closest to the time period)

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=kai+tai%27s+at+bugis+st&client=firefox-a&hs=3Re&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=e8nOUoPbL6mBiQeej4GACQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=917

Some of the crew had no problems flirting and having them sit on knees. It was the first time I had seen such open behavior from (transgenders/ cross dressers )  The beer was super cold and it was just as well as it was a hot steamy clammy day in the City. As recommended I had the favorite noodles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_kway_teow which were good (oily but tasty) and went well with the beer.  A commotion started and people crowded round what turned out to be an impromptu show by some of the Kai Tai's. I wasnt overly interested so didn't take much notice but I now see that it was a regular thing and tourist attraction http://victorkoo.blogspot.com/2010/05/peep-peep-bugis-streetpeep-peep-bugis.html.

about 2pm I return to the travel agent to pick up the ticket via yellow top cab from where I dropped earlier. So the taxi driver attempts to charge me 3 times what I paid when going to Bugis St. Not going happen..I tell him what it cost earlier  he's not having any of it and raises his voice waving his hands . The girls from the Agent are now looking out the window..I am insistent that this is what i paid earlier and give him the money which he takes and still insists on what he asked originally. I ignore him and turn to go to the Agent, he grabs my arm.. big mistake..I lift him up and put him over his black bonnet holding his neck.. then throw him to the pavement..step back and ready to boot  but don't follow through as he runs to the Taxi nips in, locks the door (coz I tried to open it) and speeds off. I enter the Agents and the girls clap  hahahaha.. I suspect they guessed he was trying to rip me off and got more than he bargained for. So Singapore was not as orderly as I originally thought as its the only place visited on the QE2 I've ever had a violent incident except in Jamaica (another story)
My last stop was Raffles hotel as that was known...not impressed .. walked in to lobby looked walked out and returned to ship. Years later, after it had a multi million pound refit I went back and had a drink in the bar..Its now worth a visit :)
I have been back to Singapore a few times and each time cleaner ..more orderly more skyscrapers more traffic and less open space available.  Another unusual experience and I surprise myself at how many of these long forgotten episodes flood back so clearly after 38 years; once I start to remember a couple of things the others pop up to the point where I can even picture clothing , faces and views in my minds eye.

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 09, 2014, 04:59 PM »
Thank you so much, Gary, for those fascinating memories! I was on a World Cruise segment in 2002 and stopped at several of these ports -- but my, how life in these cities had changed by then...

But then, of course, you also saw parts of these ports that fee-paying excursion-booking passengers would never get to see  ;) !

Your story brings back memories of my first and best Singapore Sling, in the bar of the Raffles Hotel on one such excursion... after which, my Mum and I had a Singapore Sling once on every QE2 cruise, just for the sake of remembering that very first time!

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« Reply #19 on: Jan 09, 2014, 06:05 PM »
I hope it gives a flavour of the experience from the crews perspective. The passengers usually had a quite different experience and some of us were lucky enough to join in on occasion so got to see both. In South Africa passengers went on wild life tours..crew drank Castle beer without a glimpse of a wild animal :)  Please continue to indulge in a Sling as a little regular drink thins the blood and is healthy ( allegedly )
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 11, 2014, 05:59 AM »
Hong Kong

I had been to HK a number of times. When flying "home" to Manila at Xmas or summer it was the usual change planes stop off for Air France which was the regular (least expensive ticket) airline of choice.

We dock on the modern Ocean Terminal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Terminal,_Hong_Kong 

The upper gangplank for passengers led straight into the Terminals shopping center. The lower one led to the cargo area and although my flight to Manila is a little later I am near the gangplanks to see whats outside.

Invasion.... I can see a crowd ( hundreds) of Chinese workers waiting to board on the lower plank, as the gangplank drops they swarm aboard..no security checks enforced or enforceable and  10 mins + pass before anyone can go the other way. There is another lower gangplank for goods and this too is backed up with supplies arriving, Including rolls of carpet as well as the usual food and beverage items. Cunard are obviously taking advantage of the "cheap" labor to do some refit work.

I go to the bow near the bakers shop and have a smoke and this is what I see  https://www.google.com.ph/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1280&bih=917&noj=1&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=%E6%B5%B7%E9%81%8B%E5%A4%A7%E5%BB%88&oq=%E6%B5%B7%E9%81%8B%E5%A4%A7%E5%BB%88&gs_l=img.12..0i24l10.44080.47511.0.49245.22.9.0.0.0.5.211.716.4j2j1.7.0....0...1c.1.32.img..21.1.211.pBNknvXme2o

My filght to Manila is a little later so I go to cabin to have a quick rest and pack before I depart. When I am ready to leave I walk from the Aft crew cabins through the gangway  and am slightly surprised not only to see lots of Chinese working but scattered everywhere ..hypodermics. It does not take a genius to work out that these are for heroin injections and the number seen indicated that not only were the vast majority of labor users/addicts but they did not care who knew and bother to hide them.

Hong Kong in 1975 looked exactly like this 1975 pic..thanks to blakestokers  http://blakestokers.com/10.html  and this HMS Blake Stokers Association has pictures of many of the places the QE2 visited at the same time period (1975) including Rio  Mombassa Gib, Malta Funchal Madiera (traditional QE2 new year stop to see firework display), Singapore (so I will refer back to this for Rio and Mobassa) and Rotterdam where I was married in 1979. The Big Ben picture was actually my local for 18 months when I worked in the Hilton Hotel just round the corner . The views, time period and locations are so close it looks like this HMS ship was secretly shadowing the QE2 in case of trouble at Sea... LOL (EDIT....So I have emailed them requesting the dates of Port calls on their 1974/75 Far East Tour to see if they match up)

On returning from Manila my Father , Sister and her husband came on the same flight. They checked in to the Empire Hotel as that was reasonably priced and centrally located and the place Dad checked in with Family.

In Hong Kong one of the must do's is eat dimsum (yum cha) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yum_cha HK is predominantly Cantonese with Cantonese style food so we had some in Ocean terminal. I would say though that there were excellent dimsum in Londons Soho at Lee Ho Fook and surrounds which was one of the first to offer in the early 60"s and where we were regulars. The point being that we should compare apples with apples. The best in HK was = to the better offerings in Londons Gerrard St and Wardour St which in turn was better than HK's mediocre dimsum establishments. Now things have changed and there are some truly fantastic dimsum in HK but you need to book or queue well in advance for the best "cutting edge" Restaurants (not an option for cruise passengers).

Another sight to see at that time was the markets as the fish are still breathing and cut in half to show the continuous inflation of the air sac to prove freshness(EDIT   http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=fish+market+hk+breathing&vid=6321fe7e2fd406881c1d3a078900b394&l=00%3A32&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4909372182890061%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE0BlPjNlVAE&tit=Skinned+alive+fish.avi&c=2&sigr=11ai2lehq&sigt=10mh7np8a&ct=p&age=0&fr=yfp-t-903&tt=b) and chicken..lol. Its alive..you chose it, they cut off the head, dip it in boiling water then put it in a spin dryer that removes 99% of the feathers, the last ones being plucked out. Shirts and suits in 24 hours is another HK standard but I had already got mine years ago and the fashion had moved on. Hk was also starting and later to be flooding with knock offs and factory rejects for branded clothing. $1 buys a Charles Jordan(flogged to death causing demise of the Brand), Puma, Addidas shirts and trousers etc. This $1 price would last well into the early 90's. Its not the same now as I was there Feb 2013 and you cant easily find those goods.

I offered them a tour of the QE2 as security checks prior to boarding, as long as you "looked" the part, were not a common practice. 1975 still had the upstairs /downstairs mentality on luxury ships of "who are you to ask ME who I am?  Don't you know?" My sis and brother in-law availed but Dad declined so as not to take the "risk" of being embarrassingly turned away.
On the tour the Chinese were still fitting carpets in passenger gangways and common areas but they were suitably impressed, their first time on a Luxury (or any) cruise ship, and this was the #1 in the World.

I returned to shore , made my farewells and would consider his suggestion to return and work with ( FOR lol) Dad in Manila. I would eventually agree and by July I would be off the ship and ready to go to Manila by late August.

The workers were still on board up to the last minute (sea of hypodermics now in all crew gangways leading to cabins) and I remember the lower gangplanks being pulled back and stragglers still trying to get ashore, the last ones having to jump the gap a little. There was an argument ongoing on the goods gangway as there were still some late supplies not yet boarded. The goods gangway was last to be taken away and we sailed with the door still open leaving whatever could not be loaded.
Picture with thanks to Blakestokers   http://blakestokers.com/10.html
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 12, 2014, 08:25 PM »
Except for the car models, nothing much has changed from 1975 to 2005 when I was in Kowloon.

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« Reply #22 on: Jan 13, 2014, 07:58 AM »
I cannot remember much about Kobe and I may well have not disembarked there so I will go straight to Honolulu.

Honolulu.."Book em Dano"  In parts of my life like in the Met Police at Wandsworth /Putney and on the QE2 the hit show Hawaii 5 O had workmates "fondly" call me DanO..this was an error as Dano was actually a white guy with fair/gingery straight hair ( mine was black and curly)..but we understood the sentiment that I was Asian/Polynesian looking to some extent ( particularly to the untrained eye). Honolulu with many mixed race Polynesian types due to the tens of thousands of US service men stationed there during WW2 and thousands more Filipino's who migrated there to work on the plantations (mostly pineapple) was a place where I looked like a local.

The famous spot is Waikiki Beach so that was our first stop and the Hotels on the Beach are mostly connected by landscaped pathways with Polynesian style bars at the front near swimming pools facing the beach. My looking like a local was a disadvantage..these Hotels were millionaires (predominantly US wealthy) playgrounds and notice was taken of whites and the serving of "locals" seemed to be discouraged/ignored. Even my totally white mates were also ignored...and the answer to that was probably ..they did not look rich enough..no expensive accessories , watches , bags, shoes haircuts etc so we had to wait ages for our Mai Tai's (No Hotel room keys placed on the Bar)

In fact the 1st Bar took so long we gave up and moved on. We eventually found one further up that looked promising and luckily they had a lunchtime cultural show by the pool with Hawaiian Tahitian dancing

http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=hawaian+tahitian+dancing+waikiki+hotel&fr=yfp-t-903&fr2=piv-web

Waikiki Beach
WE are there..............................
BUT we don't swim as it is so crowded there is no place to lay a towel down  and this is what the problem was. Look at the most crowded scenes and this is what it was like on this day

https://www.google.com.ph/search?client=firefox-a&hs=rOd&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=waikiki+beach+crowded&oq=waikiki+beach+crowded&gs_l=img.12...71772.78232.2.79810.18.16.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.32.img..18.0.0.V9GzxK4mWXk&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.59026428%2Cd.aGc%2Cpv.xjs.s.en_US.xtTzElM-kBg.O&biw=1280&bih=917&dpr=1&ech=1&psi=xpLTUtbxMc-UiQf-74HwBA.1389597396294.5&emsg=NCSR&noj=1&ei=8ZLTUoXaD6ugigeD-YCYBA

Having given up on the idea of swimming and being somewhat out of place in this area we agree to go to Chinatown to the Union Bar where many of the crew were going to hang out.

The Bar and many others like it were located around North Hotel St , Smith St and King St so we take a short Taxi ride there. The bottom line is this area is seedy but busy and accommodating

http://www.to-hawaii.com/oahu/attractions/chinatown.php

Honolulu's Chinatown is quite unlike many other mainland cities in the sense that many of the buildings are relatively new. The whole place completely burned several times, and at one time after several restorations, it became a red-light district with a high crime rate, drug dealers and punks. Back then local residents and visitors practically avoided this area, especially after dark.


. After touring the local bars, lots of drink (beer beer) rowdy and bawdy behaviour the sun had set and on a nearby corner a group of about 20 Christians holding placards had gathered and were singing and chanting anti "lady of the night" slogans. As people emerged from a nearby super seedy Hotel on the opposite corner they would Boo and Yell abuse.

This is one of the few places I and many got absolutely wrecked by the drink and another eye opener (of many) on human behaviour (and mis behaviour)

Back to Ship  .early early morning maybe 3am or later  (Cant remember much after midnight except no sleep before 6am turn too and difficulty working until the 10.30 am "break where I went to sleep for 2 hours)..do not remember how and off to L A on the 2nd day. Honolulu is 157 degrees longitude so its another days sailing to cross the IDL at 180. First time for me to cross but only got a couple of flour bombs thrown at me as we were busy

Thanks to http://www.reformation.org/frank-marshall-davis-obama.html for the attached picture   which wasn't really needed but the site is a bit interesting lol

Thanks to http://www.travelfootprints.ca/2012/05/oahu-beyond-waikiki-beach for the crowded Beach picture. It was just like that!
« Last Edit: Jan 14, 2014, 04:54 AM by Gary Baltao »

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 13, 2014, 08:37 AM »
Dear Lynda

Firstly may I sincerely thank you for posting this Maiden World Cruise itinerary. Without it many of the memories I am posting and a lot more which I am not would have been lost to me and my children and our descendents.

With respect to the passenger itinerary it differed slightly to the crews.

A) Crews stated Bahia and when we got to Salvador I thought we had changed destinations :) and believed that until I found this site and searched it.

B) Crews said Cape Town Port Elizabeth and  Durban. It could have been dropped later or we stopped briefly only to pick up passengers on Safari from Capetown or latecomers for the next leg of the Cruise.

Lastly where I have posted my 2nd trip was 1983...Completely disregard that. I have stumbled on my old Seamans discharge book ( with a 1 pound premium bond inside..wish me luck  lol) for that time period. I was actually on board 28.8.81 to 20.4 82 .so I will search for the 1982 World Cruise itinerary. I am tempted to scan and post to show the rascal who has been posting here :)


EDIT
So I will  below.
« Last Edit: Jan 21, 2014, 01:56 PM by Gary Baltao »

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« Reply #24 on: Jan 13, 2014, 07:45 PM »
Dear Lynda

Firstly may I sincerely thank you for posting this Maiden World Cruise itinerary. Without it many of the memories I am posting and a lot more which I am not would have been lost to me and my children and our descendents.

With respect to the passenger itinerary it differed slightly to the crews. .....

Gary your posts have brought to life the itinerary for the cruise and I have really enjoyed reading your stories and laughed at some of the predicaments that the crew got themselves into.  It is possible that the itinerary was different to what was in the brochure, from where I took the information. 

Your posts has prompted me to photograph the brochure and upload the photos to the gallery so that members can enjoy
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=28

I have also upload this beautiful menu from Monday 10 February 1975.  According to the itinerary this would be the day before visiting Bombay. 



I noticed that apart from the indian tea, there was no attempt, in 1975 to entice the passengers to try Indian food.  You can see the menu details better in the Gallery album. 

« Last Edit: Jan 13, 2014, 07:48 PM by Lynda Bradford »
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 13, 2014, 07:55 PM »
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Lastly where I have posted my 2nd trip was 1983...Completely disregard that. I have stumbled on my old Seamans discharge book ( with a 1 pound premium bond inside..wish me luck  lol) for that time period. I was actually on board 28.8.81 to 20.4 82 .so I will search for the 1982 World Cruise itinerary. I am tempted to scan and post to show the rascal who has been posting here :)

Gary, this link will take you to a list of the ports of call for the 1982 world cruise.

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2795.msg30366.html#msg30366

I was on board for the 82 trip, it was my last world cruise on QE2 and we had a great time.

The full name of Salvador is 'Salvador do Bahia' so both names you mention are correct. with regard to Port Elizabeth, I believe it is the name of the harbour at Capetown and Durban is further North on the Eastern coast of South Africa.

On one of my visits to Salvador do Bahia I had some of the hottest sauce I have ever encountered. Me and a few friends went to a bar/restaurant which had a terrace overlooking the busy street outside. On each of the tables was a small bowl of liquid with various things visible within; Onions, garlic, peppers and a few other bits which were not so readily identifiable. Being quite adventurous when it comes to trying new 'foody' things I dipped my finger in and took a taste. Within a matter of seconds the tip of my tongue had 'pins & needles' and began to go numb, after about a minute my lips began going numb and within five minutes my whole mouth was numb. I am pretty sure I could have had dental work done and felt no pain. No amount of beer calmed the situation down and believe me I tried!

Sadly the waiters spoke no English and our Brazilian was sadly lacking, so I was never able to find what was in it.
« Last Edit: Jan 13, 2014, 08:00 PM by Alan Snelson »
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 13, 2014, 07:59 PM »
Thank you, Gary, for all these stories, which as Lynda said, bring the schedule to life.

I am sure that, for the crew members, finding beeches and drinks was a highlight of each port, and you enjoyed most of them -- with some interesting episodes and scrapes. Maybe you became experts on various beers around the world!

Would the same group usually club together, and would it be mostly workmates who got together for port visits? Or would different types of crew mix on such occasions?

Did you manage to get ashore in Mombasa? I would be interested in your impressions, so many years before I had the chance to see this city.

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« Reply #27 on: Jan 13, 2014, 08:20 PM »
Just found a commemorative medal for the 1975 world cruise for sale on ebay with a couple of days to go.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cunard-QE2-1975-Round-The-World-Maiden-Cruise-Silver-Medal-w-case-/360832888352
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 14, 2014, 05:55 AM »
Dear ALL :)

Lynda  The menu is very interesting and the cover is somewhat a work of Art as they were on this Maiden World Cruise. Non World Cruise menus (and many non special days on the World Cruise), were unfolded A3  size sheets menu to front and Picture of QE2 on back for the most part ( Sold in Yokohama lol). I suspect there is a story behind the creation of the covers with a "known" artist designing them but that was not my area , others may well know. I do remember a mild chicken curry being offered at some point with raitha / mint yoghurt and poppadoms ( unless it was the 1982 cruise) as I ate it , it could actually have been on offer in the crew mess ( or menu item in restaurant first..unused cooked food then sent to crew mess as was the sensible practice)...pleasant but average.  It was a practice that local food (some locations not all, as bush meat from Africa would be a controversial offering ) was offered IN PORT with guest chefs who board when we were docked. I have seen some of these working and looking completely lost with just one assistant given from the ship.

Alan

LOL yes It clicked it was the same when I saw Lynda's itinerary post above of Salvador de Bahia. Regarding Port Elizabeth I did google map it and its about 659KM from Cape Town and therefore  a separate Port. I remember now we were not given shore leave and we docked and left in night so it was a pick/up drop off point most likely. We then went on to Durban where I did not go ashore so have no story there except more Castle Beer in the PIg..

OOOPPs  Sorry Alan it was a hot sauce problem not drink.....I will not delete the below incorrect post (now in italics) as its still relevant to Rio and Salvador de Bahia.

Hot Sauce Salvador de  Bahia. It is probably a malagueta chili (stated as native to Bahia)4th one down the list with a 100,000 on the Scoville scale although it could have been a Bhut Jolokia one of the worlds hottest at 1 million on the Scoville..as the site linked says it is present in Brazil and a fan club for it in Sao Paolo..Easiest way to find out is buy (taste test in Selfridges or Harrods Food hall) one of each and chew on them 12 hrs apart hahahahahaha!


http://flavorsofbrazil.blogspot.com/2010/09/ranking-chilis-scoville-scale.html

I used to be able to take any hot chili but those days have sadly gone. :(


Re your "drink problem"  I think I may have solved it....hahahaha  I strongly suspect this was the national drink made stronger and spiced locally cachaca          http://www.brazil-help.com/cachaca.htm#caipirinha. I have tasted a milder version in Rio and have seen it on a couple of the TLC travel programs   "Bordain" or similar

Edit ..and if your interested to get absolutely technical its here  HIC!  http://forums.egullet.org/topic/140238-what-causes-the-burning-taste-of-hard-alcohol/



Lastly I am connecting with the Celebrities who traveled post ( hope that's ok) as a) its easier for me to find and b)  we have not started listing those who traveled on the Maiden World Cruise and the list may jog memories as to who was on which leg and what they did..if anything..I know some gave lectures and others performed and some were just there for the Cruise  https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,294.msg59308.html#msg59308
« Last Edit: Jan 14, 2014, 09:51 AM by Gary Baltao »

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« Reply #29 on: Jan 14, 2014, 06:28 AM »
Thank you, Gary, for all these stories, which as Lynda said, bring the schedule to life.

I am sure that, for the crew members, finding beeches and drinks was a highlight of each port, and you enjoyed most of them -- with some interesting episodes and scrapes. Maybe you became experts on various beers around the world!

Would the same group usually club together, and would it be mostly workmates who got together for port visits? Or would different types of crew mix on such occasions?

Did you manage to get ashore in Mombasa? I would be interested in your impressions, so many years before I had the chance to see this city.

Dear Isabelle

For the young crew members it was a continuous adventure. This group became "experts" in a lot of things and many of them wore skirts. There were other young crew who were not "party people" and were taking every opportunity to do the Tourist bit. I teamed up with some on the Yokohama Tower trip previously mentioned and LA which will be my next post.

Groupings followed real life...Age/ interests/ rank/time at Sea. As a 19yr old I was usually with the youngest group  18-20 yrs old. Assistant cooks, assistant butchers and bakers.. AB's. In well known and popular drinking places all ages and groups mixed together like some of the Irish bars in NYC, Bugis St and Union bar and the youngsters often got free drinks from the "old timers" and were protected from major trouble (Jamaica story)..Thanks Guys!!!!!
The officer/ Casino/ Hairdressing etc. crew tended to have their own crowd which did not mix much with the "downstairs" crew. They would normally head for the 5 star locations on shore and only a few would mix with the "riff raff" . As the young group would also go 5 star adventuring before the bars we would often see them but a nod was as far as interacting went.

Yes ..remember Mombasa well..gashed my foot open on rocks while playing Frisbee in the sea. The link to blakestokers above and the Mombasa picture is exactly what I remember (as in that was exactly the Hotel where we went) and I will post on Mombasa later after I have checked the location of the pic. I can tell you in advance that the roads were mostly gravel and bumpy, the City was undeveloped and the people were poor.

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« Reply #30 on: Jan 15, 2014, 06:46 PM »
Thanks Gary for your research on Brazilian hot sauces. Whatever was in the sauce it certainly packed a serious punch.

It's great that you are bringing all these stories of your memories to the forum for us to read. Your recollections jog memories of mine as many of the places you visited are the same as I did a few years after 1975, and of course this forum is the perfect place to store your history for your own family to read and enjoy.
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« Reply #31 on: Jan 16, 2014, 09:47 AM »
Los Angeles  The city of (Angels  ..cancelled) Disneyland.

As we arrive I am on the bow having a gander as we sail into Port and one of the guys says this is where the Queen Mary is..there she is. I can see the three red funnels in the not too distance and thought ..QE2 is sleeker and more modern design. They said it was now a Hotel and tourist attraction but I had already (had my "arm twisted "by a young cook ) made plans to go with him to Disneyland as he had no other takers.

Before I go to that the Queen Mary story is interesting so here is a synopsis of Her life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary

We dock and there is a line of coaches (for passengers) on the Pier and we board one.  The coach moves off and we make our way into Town . The nicer streets are palm tree lined , somewhat like the Honolulu vegetation.

We see the large white HOLLYWOOD sign on the hillside (non brilliant white paint..needed a make over and brilliant Titanium white was probably not used there yet). I am pretty sure we travel through Beverly Hills at some point as there was a Tour guide with commentary but I only vividly remember when we stopped and alighted at the Chinese Theater to see the STARS in the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Now the WoF is in the top 3 tourist attractions in LA so no wonder it was a part of the Tour from the ship but the History is / was too long to recount on a Tour so with the advent of the internet I can now provide what they were unable to.

Here is the History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Walk_of_Fame

Here is the Star list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stars_on_the_Hollywood_Walk_of_Fame
Here are pics
https://www.google.com.ph/search?client=firefox-a&hs=Tn4&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Hollywood+walk+of+fame&oq=Hollywood+walk+of+fame&gs_l=img.3...48603.57505.0.58667.39.23.0.0.0.0.551.792.2-1j5-1.2.0....0...1c.1.32.img..37.2.792.0qwmdf0S87o&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.59568121%2Cd.aGc%2Cpv.xjs.s.en_US.Jo8Jz3WaIJI.O&biw=1280&bih=917&dpr=1&ech=1&psi=8prXUue7LOqZiAfL3YGQAg.1389861648726.3&emsg=NCSR&noj=1&ei=UZvXUpDTBsjYigfIlIGIBg

and for videos of your fave..just google video search Walk of fame and name



We stay about an hour and are picked up again. I assume (but cannot exactly recollect (yet)) we were then all taken to Disneyland (probably) as  I only had $30 in my pocket and I think the entrance was around $5 and ride tickets were $7 a book x 2 as u get short of the E tickets for the best rides ( ergo I wouldn't have got a taxi) and we arrived about 11.00 am.

I needed the whole $30 for rides and here is a sample of the ticket book on the wiki site at the bottom under "tickets" heading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland

Disney tickets on ebay ( this will change :) to make life interesting
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/disneyland-admission-tickets

Here is the timeline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World

Pics in 1975

https://www.google.com.ph/search?client=firefox-a&hs=8Lj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&oq=los+angeles++disneyland+1975&gs_l=img.3...629496.636569.0.637144.12.12.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.32.img..12.0.0.SwpRc7023ww&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.59568121,d.aGc,pv.xjs.s.en_US.Jo8Jz3WaIJI.O&biw=1280&bih=917&dpr=1&ech=1&psi=UI_XUte5GeO1iQfs84GYAg.1389858989046.3&emsg=NCSR&noj=1&ei=UI_XUte5GeO1iQfs84GYAg&q=los%20angeles%20disneyland%201975


From Disneyland's opening day until 1982, the price of the attractions was in addition to the price of park admission.[37] Guests paid a small admission fee to get into the park, but admission to most of the rides and attractions required guests to purchase tickets, either individually or in a book, that consisted of several coupons, initially labeled "A" through "C". "A" coupons allowed admission to the smaller rides and attractions such as the vehicles on Main Street, whereas "C" coupons were used for the most common attractions like the Peter Pan ride, or the Tea Cups. As more thrilling rides were introduced, such as the Monorail or the Matterhorn bobsled, "D" and then eventually "E" coupons were introduced. Coupons could be combined to equal the equivalent of another ticket (e.g. two "A" tickets equal one "B" ticket). From the thrill ride experience at Disneyland, the colloquial expression "an E ticket ride" is used to describe any exceptionally thrilling experience.


Ok.. those are the references but what did we actually do ?  It is not a holiday nor is it summer so we have the run of the park to ourselves ( low attendance) virtually. From the Off having bought our first book of tickets.. run to the nearest ride. Queuing time is often zero or 2-5 mins and that is most unusual for any theme park nowadays. We would also nip into existing queues to gain a few places as nobody seemed to mind. Queues were laid back and with decent gaps between families in the line. Nobody seemed to be in a rush or like sardines and most youngsters were taken no notice of if they went ahead ( those were the days). We saw others do it so we just copied.

Without relating every ride experience, we managed probably 70-80% of all that was on offer ( a substantial achievement in..the few hours we had and mainly due to us treating it like a race challenge..no food purchased or consumed to waste time:))..as we were fast runners and under a time constraint to get back before we sail.., A  small world..a Head that talked. walking Disney characters that shook hands and hugged.. , The River steamboat,  immediately come to mind..want more ..see the videos and imagine

https://www.google.com.ph/search?q=disneyland+1975&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=963XUv6VKqW1iQfr7oCABg#q=disneyland+1975&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=vid


So with tired legs and after a good clean wholesome days fun and entertainment we (probably..in fact most probably as I have no memory of having difficulty or worry finding transport to return to ship) boarded the coach back "home"

Soon be off to Acapulco

Disney price list thanks to
http://vintagedisneylandtickets.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html

ticket book thanks to wiki linked above
« Last Edit: Jan 16, 2014, 10:27 AM by Gary Baltao »

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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #32 on: Jan 16, 2014, 10:52 AM »
Thanks Gary for your research on Brazilian hot sauces. Whatever was in the sauce it certainly packed a serious punch.

It's great that you are bringing all these stories of your memories to the forum for us to read. Your recollections jog memories of mine as many of the places you visited are the same as I did a few years after 1975, and of course this forum is the perfect place to store your history for your own family to read and enjoy.

LOL HI Alan.. I was tempted to talk about the other consequences of hot sauce/chili consumption but erred on the side of conservatism.  I am extremely pleased it is also providing a memory link for you and others that have traveled the path and is another reason I am not "one lining" the stories of the Ports of call. This is not just for my descendants but for those of crew and passengers. We will eventually pass..If I and others do not write the story as best we can  this would have been lost. Thanks to this site we now have the opportunity to record it for future generations to laugh ( or be shocked) or have questions answered on the past.  Unfortunately I have to temper a lot of it for a general audience of all age groups...there is so much I could relate on other topics like why some waiters wore  mascara and what that (large) sub group used to get up to.

I will continue as best I can as there may not be that many of us left from the 1975 era that either can/want or are able to write the story. all those of 40 yrs or older on board in 1975 will be 78yrs+ now
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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #33 on: Jan 16, 2014, 06:32 PM »
Yes Gary, I am aware of some of the things that went on below decks, though I am also sure there is much I don't know. I think you are right not to go in to too much detail on certain matters, some things are perhaps better left unsaid.

As I said previously, it is great that you are providing such an insight to your time on board, it's a shame that some others have not shared their stories here on the best forum in the world and instead choose to post on Facebook where their history is likely to be lost as time goes by.

What a shame it would be, to loose such real life accounts of this great ship and the people who lived and worked aboard.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #34 on: Jan 27, 2014, 12:12 AM »
A fasinating insight into QE2s first world cruise. many thanks for sharing it !

From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #35 on: Jul 02, 2015, 09:22 AM »
We received a lovely email in the Admin mail box from a gentleman who was on the world cruise in 1975.  He wanted to let us know that Jamaica was omitted from the itinerary noted from the cruise brochure.  I have added Jamaica but not sure what the arrival and departure time would have been.  I have asked for permission to post what he has written, as he did not want to join the forum  and I await his response.

What was even better about received the email is I took time to re-read this topic, which I started but was greatly enhanced by members responses and especially Gary's post, which really just brought to life the world cruise from a crew members perspective. 

If you have not already done so have a read and enjoy :)
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Re: Queen Elizabeth 2, Maiden Round the World Voyage 1975
« Reply #36 on: Jul 03, 2015, 11:05 AM »
On the 1975 World Cruise, does anyone know about an incident about a day after New York.  I have been told that  during the American Express lecture on ports etc., there was a tremendous crash, the ship shuddered and a big window in the Columbia restaurant, port side was broken.  Was it a wave, storm or what?

I have also been told that there was an accident in Salvadore when a female member of the crew (hostess) was knocked down and killed.  That must have horrendous for crew and passengers to deal with this tragedy. 
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Attached - a cutting from the Hongkong Standard Friday February 28 1975.
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« Reply #38 on: Feb 07, 2018, 05:08 AM »
Have been clearing out and have scanned some press cuttings regarding the QE2 Maiden world cruise.

Attached is a cutting from The Evening News 03 JAN 75. 'I see no crisis ...'
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04 JAN 75. Southern Evening Echo: 'QE2 sails ...'