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Online Andy Holloway

Where in the World?
« on: Apr 28, 2021, 01:16 PM »
Not accessible to QE2, but it was to RVS.

A clue is in the height of the towers of the jetty, but not the wording!
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 09:10 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #1 on: Apr 30, 2021, 02:35 PM »
Very disappointing, nobody even going to try with a guess.

A clue; The wombles!

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #2 on: Apr 30, 2021, 03:35 PM »
Somewhere in South America, judging by the environment around the berth?
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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #3 on: Apr 30, 2021, 04:06 PM »
Somewhere in South America, judging by the environment around the berth?

You're going to make a good Navigation Officer one day young Thomas! Now which rivers are navigable, and then which one is this?

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #4 on: Apr 30, 2021, 04:47 PM »
You're going to make a good Navigation Officer one day young Thomas! Now which rivers are navigable, and then which one is this?

I am not familiar (yet at least) with any South American Rivers except the Amazon. I'm guessing this is the Amazon though because of the apparent significant width of the river in your photos and because QE2 was too large and/or deep drafted to navigate the Amazon.
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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #5 on: Apr 30, 2021, 09:32 PM »
A clue; The wombles!

Surely not Wimbledon Common?  :o

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #6 on: Apr 30, 2021, 11:59 PM »
Tobermory Harbour?
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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2021, 07:17 AM »
Beautiful music, and gives it all away!

Congratulations Thomas, what gave you the clue? Andy, let us have the story please :) .

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2021, 09:11 AM »
Agree - good music

Well done to Thomas for participating and I have learned something as well, about the Orinoco, one of the longest Rivers in South America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orinoco
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Online Andy Holloway

Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2021, 10:45 AM »
It was a place called Ciud Guyana which as you rightly guessed is some way up the Orinoco River in Venezuala.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_Guayana

A few more  photos and some text later as i have to go for my 2nd injection now and then cut the grass before my 'dear lady wife' explodes!!

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2021, 01:03 PM »
I should have spotted that one, used to go there on the OCL Ocean Princess in 1987, back in the days when Venezuela was a paradise!

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2021, 03:35 PM »
So 2nd Covid Vaccination done, no side effects so far! My wife says that 'where there's no sense there's no feeling', so she's not expecting me to have any!
Front & back lawns cut, to an 'acceptable standard' as passed by the 'Head Gardener'!

RVS arrived at the anchorage at Ciud Guyana at around 1800, just as it was getting dark, once we anchored and the first tender was prepared and in the water it was truly dark! The Chief Officer, one Chris Wells, and i went ashore on this tender to establish where we were due to operate our shoreside tender service from. The local Agent had given us a 'rough' idea as to where we were to be but........   Anyway, after clambering over a very wet and slippery jetty, illuminated only be our flashlights, we decided that this was not safe and therefore not suitable for what we wanted, we then moved a bit further up river to the pontoon where the accompanying photos were taken. The time of year we were there was within the 'dry period' but, looking at the pillars of the pontoons, we could fully understand when we were told that the river rises up to a further 30ft when in flood!

To explain the photos;
001 - top to bottom;
The landing pontoon with two deck boys relaxing in between tenders.
Just to prove we were there and at anchor.  Note the small white flag, bottom right, more on this later.
It's only when you look at photos like this that you realise just how big these rivers are.
002 - A good view of the pillars to show just how much the river rises when in flood.
003 - The connection between pontoon & dry land.

To explain the 'flag'!
There were an American couple who were regular RVS passengers called Barney & Ellen Cogan, they always had the 'Owners Suite' - and thought that they really were! - when they travelled and were 'allowed' to fly their flag - 'Camp Cogan' - from their balcony. Stories about their exploits onboard were numerous and were often about things & incidents that wouldn't be allowed onboard these days.

Where RVS excelled over the rest of the Cunard Fleet was not only in her quality of service, but also that she could get into smaller, out of the way and less 'popular', ports around the World that were inaccessible to QE2.






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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2021, 05:13 PM »
Beautiful music, and gives it all away!

Congratulations Thomas, what gave you the clue? Andy, let us have the story please :) .

The vegetation and the amount of it going off into the distance, and the sort of geology and small rocks in each photo. It reminded me of the Panama Canal too. I was going to say somewhere in Venezuela as a wild guess but I didn't know about the Orinoco River or any other South American rivers so stuck with the Amazon.
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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2021, 10:04 PM »
One memory of that port was that there were always a bunch of rather ragged looking young children begging for money there.
At sunset their parents would show up in big old American cars to take them home! :D
Regarding cars there and in most of Central and South America, I can still smell the terrible exhaust fumes there!
The low grade petrol locally plus the absence of catalytic converters must have been to blame.

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2021, 11:37 PM »
Oh, d'oh!!  I picked the wrong Womble out of the two that I could think of with a marine connection to their names!!!
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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2021, 11:44 PM »
Oh, d'oh!!  I picked the wrong Womble out of the two that I could think of with a marine connection to their names!!!

Please explain. My memory of the Wombles fails me....

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2021, 11:47 PM »
Please explain. My memory of the Wombles fails me....

In reply 6 on this thread...  There are two Wombles with marine related names, Tobermory and Orinoco.  I had a 50% chance of guessing right, and I guessed wrong... *sigh*

Tobermory Harbour?
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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2021, 05:58 PM »
In reply 6 on this thread...  There are two Wombles with marine related names, Tobermory and Orinoco.  I had a 50% chance of guessing right, and I guessed wrong... *sigh*

He's not happy with you, fancy forgetting him!!!

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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2021, 11:48 PM »
He's not happy with you, fancy forgetting him!!!

Objection, m'lud!  I never said I'd forgotten him - only that I guessed the wrong one of the two the first time!
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Re: Where in the World? RVS 1997
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2021, 09:09 PM »
And how about this? Taken from the QE2Story Bridgecam collection. The location mentioned there is evidently wrong (I think!)...

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2021, 09:59 PM »
And how about this? Taken from the QE2Story Bridgecam collection. The location mentioned there is evidently wrong (I think!)...

Unmistakably Rotterdam, the Erasmus Bridge being just ahead of QE2's bow. Knowing her itinerary through Sam Warwick's excellent and very useful QE2 website also helps! I gather you were onboard too Isabelle, with other friends of ours (OLS members) on the trip just before the last my parents and I took on QE2?
« Last Edit: May 03, 2021, 10:03 PM by Thomas Hypher »
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2021, 10:31 PM »
You are right on all counts, Thomas! Although frankly I still cannot recognise the beautiful Erasmus Bridge on the photo. Another bridge?

But the date was Rotterdam all right, and I was there :) . That was a quick one!

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2021, 10:42 PM »
Although frankly I still cannot recognise the beautiful Erasmus Bridge on the photo. Another bridge?

It's the section of the bridge that can open up for river traffic further upstream if I recall correctly.

I've circled the area of the Erasmus Bridge visible from QE2's webcam, in one of my photos from arriving into Rotterdam on Marco Polo.
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2021, 11:25 PM »
That is extremely well spotted, Thomas, thank you for having set me right. In one of my own pictures of the Erasmus bridge, I write that QE2 must have sailed through the open drawbridge, but I never noticed her doing so.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #25 on: Oct 02, 2021, 12:14 PM »
As it's a wet Saturday here in 'Glorious Devon' i thought something of a more tropical nature for this 'Where in the World'.

No clues just yet, but definitely not a QE2 accessible place, although it is for smaller ships.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #26 on: Oct 04, 2021, 02:33 PM »
Very disappointing, not even a 'stab in the dark'!
Ah well here goes with a clue;

It's the ONLY one.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #27 on: Oct 04, 2021, 03:49 PM »
Let me start it on the "20 questions" principle.

Is it in South America?

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #28 on: Oct 04, 2021, 05:41 PM »
Very disappointing, not even a 'stab in the dark'!
Ah well here goes with a clue;

It's the ONLY one.

Is it an aqueduct instead of a road bridge, and perhaps the only one in the world in the form of a suspension bridge? As for location it looks tropical.
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #29 on: Oct 04, 2021, 06:50 PM »
I wondered if the tug was a clue but as I could not make out the name.  However on the starboard side of the tug there is what looks like a flag that is green and white.  Is this a country's flag or associated with the tug company?

Also think it looks like a tropical place.  South America or Africa?
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #30 on: Oct 04, 2021, 07:04 PM »
I wondered if the tug was a clue but as I could not make out the name.  However on the starboard side of the tug there is what looks like a flag that is green and white.  Is this a country's flag or associated with the tug company?

Just realised it's the Brazilian flag on closer inspection - well spotted Lynda! Maybe this is the only suspension bridge on the Amazon River?
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #31 on: Oct 04, 2021, 07:19 PM »
Let me start it on the "20 questions" principle.

Is it in South America?

Yes,
and to safe energy, to Thomas,

Also No & Yes

The word ONLY is the best clue you'll get!

Online Lynda Bradford

Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #32 on: Oct 04, 2021, 07:54 PM »
Following on from the South America clue and possibly the River Amazon there is one bridge that crosses the Amazon at Manaus. 
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #33 on: Oct 04, 2021, 07:57 PM »


You tube video from Bridge but not sure if this is the same place although it looks similar

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #34 on: Oct 04, 2021, 11:27 PM »

You tube video from Bridge but not sure if this is the same place although it looks similar

Top marks to that Lady.

The 'only' is that it's the only bridge over the Amazon, strange as that may seem for a river over 3000 miles long.
It's actually called Pheilippe Daou bridge and crosses the Rio Negro river at Manaus.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #35 on: Oct 05, 2021, 10:25 AM »
Well, that was interesting! Something new to take in...

The river looks huge... what would prevent QE2 from reaching this place?

I seem to remember that Caronia used to venture far into Latin America -- would she have been here?

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #36 on: Oct 05, 2021, 02:06 PM »
Top marks to that Lady.

The 'only' is that it's the only bridge over the Amazon, strange as that may seem for a river over 3000 miles long.
It's actually called Pheilippe Daou bridge and crosses the Rio Negro river at Manaus.

Thanks Andy I learned something I did not know yesterday when looking to find the answer to you question. 
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #37 on: Oct 05, 2021, 09:06 PM »
The river looks huge... what would prevent QE2 from reaching this place?

I'll hazard a guess it's not deep enough and probably has shifting sands as well?
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #38 on: Oct 06, 2021, 04:29 PM »
Well, that was interesting! Something new to take in...

The river looks huge... what would prevent QE2 from reaching this place?

I seem to remember that Caronia used to venture far into Latin America -- would she have been here?

The mouth to The Amazon is approx 30 miles wide, but then comes the first hurdle, a large sand bar which can only be crossed at high tide. As such QE2 would not have been able to cross this sand bar as her draft would have been too great, also there are several quite tight turns and QE2 does not like maneuvering at low speed.

I've been up to Manaus 3 times, twice with Cunard, on Vistafjord & Caronia and finally with Seabourn Odyssey, where this photo was taken, each time it's size and diversity just amazed me. That's even before you see the vast number of creepy crawly's that are attracted to the ships lights at night!

The bridge is just up river from Manaus and cruise ships don't normally go any further up river than Manaus, but Odyssey did on this occasion. The reason was that they were going about 10/20 miles up river to have a beach BBQ for all the passenger that evening. And when i say beach BBQ it's a little understatement, as Seabourn certainly didn't do things by halves, i refer you to the Seabourn advert of the 90s/00s with the waiter serving drinks in the sea to passengers floating on a lilo!
It was a spread like no other and would not have been out of place in a 5 star hotel 'ashore'. Everything, and i mean everything was prepared onboard and taken ashore, salads, deserts, ice for drinks, drinks, glasses proper plates, meats etc etc etc... My wife has some photos somewhere and if i can find them i'll post a few.

The incredible thing about the Amazon is that Manaus is not even half way along it's complete length of 6992km/4344 miles.

A truly amazing experience and that's before we get to the  passenger tours and shows. We were lucky as my wife was 'used' as a tour guide so did the 'crockle' thing and then reviewed it in the evening over a 'soft' drink and dinner. 

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #39 on: Oct 06, 2021, 04:38 PM »
Enjoy.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #40 on: Oct 06, 2021, 05:41 PM »
Found this one of the bridge taken from a different angle and it shows it just before it was finished, note the gap between the centre span and the roadway leading up to it.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #41 on: Apr 21, 2022, 09:07 PM »
Now where would this be? I do not have a clue...

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #42 on: Apr 21, 2022, 11:21 PM »
Now where would this be? I do not have a clue...

It looks a bit like one of the old berths in Cape Town circa 1997/8 possibly!

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #43 on: Apr 22, 2022, 02:50 AM »
Now where would this be? I do not have a clue...

In the past I've looked up dates and ports (including from the webcam) out of curiosity using Sam and Ron Warwick's records on their websites, and I seem to recall this was in South America - specifically in Brazil. However I can't remember the name of the port off hand.
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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #44 on: Apr 22, 2022, 01:04 PM »
Definitely South America, the cranes are very distinctive, bet there are a bunch of VW Beatles in there too.....Salvador De Bahia perhaps?

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #45 on: Apr 22, 2022, 03:27 PM »
Salvadore Bahia. Theres a nice little bare just up the road from the second crane.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #46 on: Apr 22, 2022, 04:42 PM »
It looks a bit like one of the old berths in Cape Town circa 1997/8 possibly!

Too many ports to remember on too many ships and too many 'little grey cells' vanishing with time! Yes Salvador De Bahia, checked on Google Earth and the yellow cranes are still there. I've been there but no idea which ship or when.

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #47 on: Apr 23, 2022, 01:08 PM »
Interesting port, went several times on different ships. The city itself sits on a plateau above the port and could be accessed via several Funicular railways. Reminded me of the Lynton and Lynmouth railway back in dear old Devon! :D

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Re: Where in the World?
« Reply #48 on: Apr 24, 2022, 12:37 PM »
We called there on board QM2 and QV….interesting port and probably good for less expensive bunkers!

 

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