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Online Lynda Bradford

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #20 on: Oct 07, 2020, 07:26 AM »
Good piece of work - hope you have it backed up as you have put in so much effort
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Online Bob C.

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #21 on: Oct 11, 2020, 09:01 PM »
New dilemma with a plea for help!

I'm currently working on Stairway E and noted that between 2 Deck and 1 Deck that there is one extra step on Stairway E than I have on Stairway D.  I have Stairway D with 17 steps between the two decks (stepping off 2 deck - 5 steps to the 1st landing, 7 steps to the 2nd landing - 5 steps to the 1 Deck landing) and Stairway E with 18 steps (stepping off 2 Deck - 8 steps to the 1st landing - 5 steps to the 2nd landing - 5 steps to the 1 deck landing.

I have been able to accurately count the number of steps between each landing for both D and E on various photos but had to make a guess for the number of steps between D stairway's 2nd landing and the 1 Deck landing; there are no photos that I can find that show this.

I am either off by one step on D or the ship's deck has one step riser's difference in height between D and E stairway on 1 Deck.



Does anyone have a photo, drawing or a memory that could help?



P.S - I can't trust the general arrangement deck drawings as I have found the number of stairs in photos to be inconsistent with the drawings.

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #22 on: Oct 12, 2020, 09:35 AM »
Bob

These are not much help but they are the only ones I have online. I have hundreds of photos of the staircases but they're not scanned. I will try and scan One to Two Deck for you but that probably won't be until the weekend.

Michael

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #23 on: Oct 12, 2020, 09:36 AM »
I counted 238 steps on D Stairway and 220 steps total on E Stairway.

Online Bob C.

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« Reply #24 on: Oct 12, 2020, 10:54 AM »
Thanks Michael.  A photo of Stairway D that shows the number of steps between the 2nd landing from 2 Deck to the 1 Deck landing is what I am looking for.  I’d be eternally grateful if you could find one in your collection!

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #25 on: Oct 12, 2020, 11:50 AM »
Sorry, Bob! I thought you wanted E Stairway. I have two shots online I can attach now of D between Two and One Decks - I count 17 steps??

Online Bob C.

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« Reply #26 on: Oct 12, 2020, 03:01 PM »
Perfect Michael.  Yes it is 17 steps from 2 Deck to 1 Deck on D stairway.  Just as I had counted before but now verified with that great photo. 

However the dilemma still stands as to why there are 18 steps between 2 Deck and 1 Deck on Stairway E.  Hmmm....

Online Bob C.

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #27 on: Oct 12, 2020, 03:18 PM »
And I just verified that there are 8 steps on Stairway E from the 2 deck landing going up to the 1st landing but I cant tell for sure how many steps there are from the 2nd landing to 1 Deck but I am assuming five (5) - see the photo entitle "Oct Nov 2008 (4) 647.jpg).  If more than 5, that throws things off even more.


I'll figure it out eventually.  This is the fun part.

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #28 on: Oct 12, 2020, 04:07 PM »
Bob - I will get out my hard copy prints as soon as I can and see if they can answer this puzzle. I have just counted 17 steps on G Stairs between Two and One Decks!

Offline Rod

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #29 on: Oct 12, 2020, 04:14 PM »
Bob, I just find the whole thing amazing.
Totally in awe!

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Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #30 on: Oct 12, 2020, 11:23 PM »
Perfect Michael.  Yes it is 17 steps from 2 Deck to 1 Deck on D stairway.  Just as I had counted before but now verified with that great photo. 

However the dilemma still stands as to why there are 18 steps between 2 Deck and 1 Deck on Stairway E.  Hmmm....

Did the deck headrooms vary at different positions along the length of the ship?  Remembering that the hull wasn't flat but curved up towards the ends...

A difference equal to the drop of one step wouldn't be obvious visibly over the distances concerned would it?
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Online Bob C.

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #31 on: Oct 13, 2020, 01:01 AM »
I had considered the deck sheer Peter but both D and E Stairways are close to midships where the deck is flat.  The two stairways bracket the power plant uptakes.

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« Reply #32 on: Oct 13, 2020, 01:04 AM »
Ah.

*scratches head*
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Online Bob C.

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #33 on: Oct 13, 2020, 02:36 AM »
More fuel to the fire - D Stairway has 17 steps from 3 Deck to 2 Deck (5 steps-landing-7 steps-landing-5 steps) and E Stairway has 15 (5 steps-landing-5 steps-landing-5 steps).

I keep looking at the rise of the steps (vertical step height) in the various photos and don't see any difference. 

I would not think that the rise would be different from stairway to stairway or within a stairway.  Here are the deck height differences (in number of steps) between D and E Stairways that I've seen so far:

Deck      Stairway D     Stairway E       Cumulative Difference
             # of steps       # of Steps      (all decks combined from 5 Deck on up)
 U to B        22                 21                         7
 Q to U        22                 21                         6
 1 to Q        18                 16                         5     
 2 to 1        17                 16                          3
 3 to 2        17                 15                          2
 4 to 3        15                 15                          0
 5 to 4        15                 15                          0

The only explanation I can think of is that the step rise is different on Stairway E (at least for Three Deck and up) than it is for Stairway D.  Its a mystery!
« Last Edit: Oct 13, 2020, 03:27 PM by Bob C. »

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #34 on: Oct 18, 2020, 12:16 PM »
Bob - as promised: images of One Deck to Two Deck which show eight steps between One Deck and the first landing. The first four images dated 2008 with the last two dated 2019.
« Last Edit: Oct 18, 2020, 05:18 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

Offline Michael Gallagher

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« Reply #35 on: Oct 18, 2020, 12:25 PM »
Bob - from two Deck downwards there are only five steps down to the first landing:

Two to Three Deck

Three to Four Deck

Four to Five Deck
« Last Edit: Oct 18, 2020, 05:18 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

Offline Michael Gallagher

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« Reply #36 on: Oct 18, 2020, 12:32 PM »
Bob - I also refer to a post I made in 2010 (copied below) which tells of E Stairway being radically redesigned in 1966 once the number of classes had been resolved. This means the final layout was finalised long after the other staircases and that may account for a different stair height?

When the initial design called for QE2 to be a three-class vessel this staircase at frames 124 – 132) was originally intended to be used by Cabin and Tourist Class passengers. While stairway arrangements were almost complete by January 1966, by February 1966 the design and layout was being reconsidered in order to improve the stairway when the ship was cruising. The arrangement of stairs and lifts were modified to bring the four lifts on athwartship line at the aft end of the stairway enclosure. Lifts 13 and 14 would remain Tourist Class and their controls were arranged so that they worked as a pair, as in their former position. In addition arrangements were made so that all four lifts could be linked together for when the vessel was cruising. The realignment of the lifts would result in slight modifications to the after bulkhead of the boiler casing with it being extended from frame131½ to frame 131 on B (Four) and C (Five) Decks. At this point a final decision on how the two stairways would be divided had still not been made with the choice being between a full height Marinite division or a balustrade – no steel structure would be involved. In order to provide a cross passage a slight re-arrangement of the B (Four) Deck accommodation abaft the engine casing was required. These changes were confirmed that month despite a final decision on the final number of classes not being made – that decision would follow in May 1966. The plans of the stairways were examined and given preliminary approval in April 1966.

Online Bob C.

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #37 on: Oct 18, 2020, 01:49 PM »
Thanks Michael, that confirmed my counting.  What I am doing is adjusting the step rise height to get the top of the stair flights to match the deck heights.  So far you can’t notice the difference unless you look very closely.

Online Bob C.

Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #38 on: Nov 07, 2020, 04:46 PM »
I just finished roughing our Stairway E ('69 colors).  Next will be working the underside of the stairs, the aluminum extruded handrails, the center rails and some other details.  Once that's done, I'll stick it in the ship!   

Check out the photos!

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Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #39 on: Nov 07, 2020, 05:23 PM »
Absolutely awesome with the differences in the number of steps between decks !  :)
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