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Virtual QE2 Model
« on: Sep 10, 2020, 01:05 PM »
I've been working on a virtual QE2 - 1969 decor - using Sketchup 3D Design Software since May of this year.  Lots of fits and starts and do-overs in learning the software and guesstimating many unknowns (measurements, layouts, colors, etc.) but I think I'm finally on a roll.

Here are some screen captures of the progress to date.

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« Reply #1 on: Sep 10, 2020, 01:37 PM »
I'm hoping to tap the knowledge base of Forum members in filling in the remaining gaps in my memory, deck plans and photos from 1969-1979.

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« Reply #2 on: Sep 14, 2020, 06:54 PM »
Does anyone recall what color D Stairway was on 4 or 5 Deck in the 70's?  Did it retain its black and white color scheme all the way down or was it the whitish walls of 4 and 5 deck passageways?

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« Reply #3 on: Sep 14, 2020, 11:01 PM »
It is really interesting to see you modelling the interior of QE2, and at a particular stage in her life too. All the other models are of the exterior, so you are doing something rather special. I am sorry I cannot help you with an answer to your question, but I shall be very interested to watch your modelling as you continue.

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« Reply #4 on: Sep 15, 2020, 05:27 PM »
Great work, Bob, on your virtual model ! It is so interesting to see your work take shape, and I am especially interested in the model being of the early QE2 !  :)
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 16, 2020, 03:15 AM »
This took me about 45 min but I think I got the door knob shape.  This is a pantry door on 3 Deck and not a cabin door.  Many of those to come. 

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« Reply #6 on: Sep 16, 2020, 03:24 AM »
Here's a reference for the above door - 3 Deck, Stairway D looking forward.  Also a side-by-side comparison of today's QE2 vs. yesteryear.  Still need some ceiling and wall details but its getting there.

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« Reply #7 on: Sep 16, 2020, 09:40 AM »
Bob, I am enjoying seeing the different stages of this amazing piece of work and looking forward to seeing more.  I would say that this is Technology put to good use!
« Last Edit: Oct 04, 2020, 04:50 PM by Lynda Bradford »
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 04, 2020, 03:24 PM »
Some more updates to the model.  Building this model is a long process, tantamount to building a scratch physical model but it brings just as much fun and satisfaction.

Below is a view of:
- an almost completed Stairway D on 2 Deck looking from the Midships Lobby
- a detailed view of the original elevator (lift) call panel
- early stages of Stairway D on the Quarter Deck looking towards the original Columbia Restaurant which in QE2's final days was the Caronia Restaurant

The model looks much better when animated via the software's "walk" function and in construction mode than these static pictures. At this point I can use the "walk" function to tour up and down Stairway D from 5 Deck to the Quarter Deck.  It brings back lots of memories.

Enjoy the photos!
« Last Edit: Oct 04, 2020, 03:56 PM by Bob C. »

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« Reply #9 on: Oct 04, 2020, 04:53 PM »
It just gets better and better, I almost feel like I am there ready to climb the stairs or press the button for the lift. 

Clever stuff!
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 04, 2020, 05:30 PM »
Awesome ! Wonderful work !  :)
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 05, 2020, 02:18 PM »
Amazing! Cannot wait to explore her as she was in 1969. It’ll be wonderful.
I appreciate the amount of work involved.

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 05, 2020, 02:34 PM »
A huge amount of great work has went into this already!!

Will the non pax spaces be receiving attention also?

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« Reply #13 on: Oct 06, 2020, 04:07 AM »
It may not look like much but if you use your imagination, this is the beginning of the Columbia Restaurant (currently Caronia).  I also posted a photo of a close up of the picture windows showing the interior detail which did not change much in QE2's lifetime. 

You may notice that the walls do not follow the Caronia Restaurant boundaries as depicted in the general arrangement plan seen in the photo.  To keep with the original features, I am using a 1968 deck plan for the perimeter and interior walls arrangement that differ from today's arrangement (e.g. the Britannia Grill was galley space originally).  I'm hoping it will look like a nice and cozy restaurant when I get the ceiling on.  then on to the tables and Race chairs - that will take some time.

Yes the windows are transparent and a bit tinted.

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« Reply #14 on: Oct 06, 2020, 03:17 PM »
Hi Bob
Only just catching up here - this is a superb work of art...
We just so fortunate to have members of the QE2 Story to show us fantastic work which are the best reminders of QE2.
You, and Lachlan and Michael with his magnificent archive - are all Stars!
Better add Rob, the Mods et al in here too ;)
Thank you, Everyone.
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 06, 2020, 04:15 PM »

Will the non pax spaces be receiving attention also?


Unfortunately I'm not sure if the software can handle the potential file size - I'm almost at 70 mb so far with about about 25% of the detail I want to add.  Also, I am relying heavily on personal photos, QSF photos and others from the internet where the availability for non-pax spaces is very limited.  I could probably do general arrangement but certainly not to the extent of the detail in the pax spaces.
« Last Edit: Oct 06, 2020, 06:13 PM by Bob C. »

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« Reply #16 on: Oct 06, 2020, 07:25 PM »
Amazing progress Bob!

We should restart the Zoom calls, and you could take us for a tour of your model??

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« Reply #17 on: Oct 06, 2020, 11:30 PM »
I’d be happy to anytime!

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« Reply #18 on: Oct 07, 2020, 01:07 AM »
What a phenomenal undertaking this is Bob! I could picture the ship's external shapes and arrangement to make a model, but attending to details of interior doors, balustrades, bulkheads, spaces etc etc is in another league altogether. Congratulations on this project - it is fascinating to watch.

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« Reply #19 on: Oct 07, 2020, 03:45 AM »
I did some work on the Columbia Restaurant doors.  Here are two pictures of closed doors and open doors to get some perspective.  I may have to take a week or so off to clean up the model and reduce the file size.  I'm approaching an unstable size with a lot of the ship and details to go.

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« Reply #20 on: Oct 07, 2020, 07:26 AM »
Good piece of work - hope you have it backed up as you have put in so much effort
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 11, 2020, 09:01 PM »
New dilemma with a plea for help!

I'm currently working on Stairway E and noted that between 2 Deck and 1 Deck that there is one extra step on Stairway E than I have on Stairway D.  I have Stairway D with 17 steps between the two decks (stepping off 2 deck - 5 steps to the 1st landing, 7 steps to the 2nd landing - 5 steps to the 1 Deck landing) and Stairway E with 18 steps (stepping off 2 Deck - 8 steps to the 1st landing - 5 steps to the 2nd landing - 5 steps to the 1 deck landing.

I have been able to accurately count the number of steps between each landing for both D and E on various photos but had to make a guess for the number of steps between D stairway's 2nd landing and the 1 Deck landing; there are no photos that I can find that show this.

I am either off by one step on D or the ship's deck has one step riser's difference in height between D and E stairway on 1 Deck.



Does anyone have a photo, drawing or a memory that could help?



P.S - I can't trust the general arrangement deck drawings as I have found the number of stairs in photos to be inconsistent with the drawings.

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« Reply #22 on: Oct 12, 2020, 09:35 AM »
Bob

These are not much help but they are the only ones I have online. I have hundreds of photos of the staircases but they're not scanned. I will try and scan One to Two Deck for you but that probably won't be until the weekend.

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« Reply #23 on: Oct 12, 2020, 09:36 AM »
I counted 238 steps on D Stairway and 220 steps total on E Stairway.

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« Reply #24 on: Oct 12, 2020, 10:54 AM »
Thanks Michael.  A photo of Stairway D that shows the number of steps between the 2nd landing from 2 Deck to the 1 Deck landing is what I am looking for.  I’d be eternally grateful if you could find one in your collection!

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« Reply #25 on: Oct 12, 2020, 11:50 AM »
Sorry, Bob! I thought you wanted E Stairway. I have two shots online I can attach now of D between Two and One Decks - I count 17 steps??

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« Reply #26 on: Oct 12, 2020, 03:01 PM »
Perfect Michael.  Yes it is 17 steps from 2 Deck to 1 Deck on D stairway.  Just as I had counted before but now verified with that great photo. 

However the dilemma still stands as to why there are 18 steps between 2 Deck and 1 Deck on Stairway E.  Hmmm....

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« Reply #27 on: Oct 12, 2020, 03:18 PM »
And I just verified that there are 8 steps on Stairway E from the 2 deck landing going up to the 1st landing but I cant tell for sure how many steps there are from the 2nd landing to 1 Deck but I am assuming five (5) - see the photo entitle "Oct Nov 2008 (4) 647.jpg).  If more than 5, that throws things off even more.


I'll figure it out eventually.  This is the fun part.

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« Reply #28 on: Oct 12, 2020, 04:07 PM »
Bob - I will get out my hard copy prints as soon as I can and see if they can answer this puzzle. I have just counted 17 steps on G Stairs between Two and One Decks!

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« Reply #29 on: Oct 12, 2020, 04:14 PM »
Bob, I just find the whole thing amazing.
Totally in awe!

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« Reply #30 on: Oct 12, 2020, 11:23 PM »
Perfect Michael.  Yes it is 17 steps from 2 Deck to 1 Deck on D stairway.  Just as I had counted before but now verified with that great photo. 

However the dilemma still stands as to why there are 18 steps between 2 Deck and 1 Deck on Stairway E.  Hmmm....

Did the deck headrooms vary at different positions along the length of the ship?  Remembering that the hull wasn't flat but curved up towards the ends...

A difference equal to the drop of one step wouldn't be obvious visibly over the distances concerned would it?
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« Reply #31 on: Oct 13, 2020, 01:01 AM »
I had considered the deck sheer Peter but both D and E Stairways are close to midships where the deck is flat.  The two stairways bracket the power plant uptakes.

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« Reply #32 on: Oct 13, 2020, 01:04 AM »
Ah.

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« Reply #33 on: Oct 13, 2020, 02:36 AM »
More fuel to the fire - D Stairway has 17 steps from 3 Deck to 2 Deck (5 steps-landing-7 steps-landing-5 steps) and E Stairway has 15 (5 steps-landing-5 steps-landing-5 steps).

I keep looking at the rise of the steps (vertical step height) in the various photos and don't see any difference. 

I would not think that the rise would be different from stairway to stairway or within a stairway.  Here are the deck height differences (in number of steps) between D and E Stairways that I've seen so far:

Deck      Stairway D     Stairway E       Cumulative Difference
             # of steps       # of Steps      (all decks combined from 5 Deck on up)
 U to B        22                 21                         7
 Q to U        22                 21                         6
 1 to Q        18                 16                         5     
 2 to 1        17                 16                          3
 3 to 2        17                 15                          2
 4 to 3        15                 15                          0
 5 to 4        15                 15                          0

The only explanation I can think of is that the step rise is different on Stairway E (at least for Three Deck and up) than it is for Stairway D.  Its a mystery!
« Last Edit: Oct 13, 2020, 03:27 PM by Bob C. »

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« Reply #34 on: Oct 18, 2020, 12:16 PM »
Bob - as promised: images of One Deck to Two Deck which show eight steps between One Deck and the first landing. The first four images dated 2008 with the last two dated 2019.
« Last Edit: Oct 18, 2020, 05:18 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

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« Reply #35 on: Oct 18, 2020, 12:25 PM »
Bob - from two Deck downwards there are only five steps down to the first landing:

Two to Three Deck

Three to Four Deck

Four to Five Deck
« Last Edit: Oct 18, 2020, 05:18 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

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« Reply #36 on: Oct 18, 2020, 12:32 PM »
Bob - I also refer to a post I made in 2010 (copied below) which tells of E Stairway being radically redesigned in 1966 once the number of classes had been resolved. This means the final layout was finalised long after the other staircases and that may account for a different stair height?

When the initial design called for QE2 to be a three-class vessel this staircase at frames 124 – 132) was originally intended to be used by Cabin and Tourist Class passengers. While stairway arrangements were almost complete by January 1966, by February 1966 the design and layout was being reconsidered in order to improve the stairway when the ship was cruising. The arrangement of stairs and lifts were modified to bring the four lifts on athwartship line at the aft end of the stairway enclosure. Lifts 13 and 14 would remain Tourist Class and their controls were arranged so that they worked as a pair, as in their former position. In addition arrangements were made so that all four lifts could be linked together for when the vessel was cruising. The realignment of the lifts would result in slight modifications to the after bulkhead of the boiler casing with it being extended from frame131½ to frame 131 on B (Four) and C (Five) Decks. At this point a final decision on how the two stairways would be divided had still not been made with the choice being between a full height Marinite division or a balustrade – no steel structure would be involved. In order to provide a cross passage a slight re-arrangement of the B (Four) Deck accommodation abaft the engine casing was required. These changes were confirmed that month despite a final decision on the final number of classes not being made – that decision would follow in May 1966. The plans of the stairways were examined and given preliminary approval in April 1966.

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« Reply #37 on: Oct 18, 2020, 01:49 PM »
Thanks Michael, that confirmed my counting.  What I am doing is adjusting the step rise height to get the top of the stair flights to match the deck heights.  So far you can’t notice the difference unless you look very closely.

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« Reply #38 on: Nov 07, 2020, 04:46 PM »
I just finished roughing our Stairway E ('69 colors).  Next will be working the underside of the stairs, the aluminum extruded handrails, the center rails and some other details.  Once that's done, I'll stick it in the ship!   

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« Reply #39 on: Nov 07, 2020, 05:23 PM »
Absolutely awesome with the differences in the number of steps between decks !  :)
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« Reply #40 on: Nov 07, 2020, 06:17 PM »
Absolutely awesome with the differences in the number of steps between decks !  :)

And the style of the steps.  Notice that from Five Deck to Three Deck there are two landings between each deck and from Two Deck to Q Deck there is only one landing between decks and then two landings again from Q to B.  Drove me up a wall getting that right.
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« Reply #41 on: Nov 07, 2020, 06:21 PM »
Yes, absolutely amazing !  :)

Awhile ago, you mentioned having to reduce file size to accommodate your plans. How is that situation at present ?
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Re: Virtual QE2 Model
« Reply #42 on: Nov 07, 2020, 06:45 PM »
I just finished roughing our Stairway E ('69 colors).  Next will be working the underside of the stairs, the aluminum extruded handrails, the center rails and some other details.  Once that's done, I'll stick it in the ship!   

Check out the photos!

Wonderful work Bob! If you're able to put your model, when finished and with selected "photo" angles like you've done so far, through a photorealistic renderer such as the Indigo Renderer for Sketchup that would be crazy awesome! I am intrigued as to how you modelled the original Midship Lobby's intricate ceiling - with a lot of patience I would imagine!

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« Reply #43 on: Nov 07, 2020, 07:56 PM »
Wonderful work Bob! If you're able to put your model, when finished and with selected "photo" angles like you've done so far, through a photorealistic renderer such as the Indigo Renderer for Sketchup that would be crazy awesome! I am intrigued as to how you modelled the original Midship Lobby's intricate ceiling - with a lot of patience I would imagine!

https://www.indigorenderer.com/

A lot of patience is an understatement.  Thank God for the spline and rotate tools.  Otherwise I took much of the vertical and 3d dimensions from personal, Forum and internet photos and estimating proportions.   I'll look into the photorealistic rendering options.
« Last Edit: Nov 08, 2020, 01:50 PM by Bob C. »

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« Reply #44 on: Nov 07, 2020, 07:58 PM »
Yes, absolutely amazing !  :)

Awhile ago, you mentioned having to reduce file size to accommodate your plans. How is that situation at present ?

The file size is quickly approaching an unstable size.  Still working on how to best manage that.  I may go from 3d walls and floors to a 2d plane based on what can be seen.  That should help reduce it a bit.

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« Reply #45 on: Nov 12, 2020, 08:09 PM »
New issue and not good news.  As I add detail in one location, various items are disappearing in other areas.  I’m not sure of the cause but I’m missing walls, wall details and flights of stairs.  Nothing unrecoverable (copy/paste existing components) but I am changing my approach to the model which is to build by feature. In other words, create a separate file for each feature (e.g. separate files for Stairway E, Stairway D Miships Lobby, select staterooms etc.).  Will see soon if this approach overcomes the problem.

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« Reply #46 on: Nov 18, 2020, 03:36 AM »
Stairway E progress.  Pictured is a view standing on the landing between Five and Four Deck looking up at the Four Deck lifts.    The colors are coming out nicely and the brightness is working well too.  The only drawback is some of the color is diminished at shallow angles.  Still feels like I'm back onboard in the 70's though!
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« Reply #47 on: Nov 18, 2020, 12:43 PM »
That's incredible Bob!
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« Reply #48 on: Nov 20, 2020, 02:06 AM »
The 70s exactly ! Awesome !   :)
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« Reply #49 on: Nov 20, 2020, 07:35 AM »
Amazing indeed! Taking us back in time to a QE2 I for one never knew. What a shock she must have been to the people who were used to the ships of the time...

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« Reply #50 on: Nov 20, 2020, 04:24 PM »
Fantastic. I'm very impressed. Wow!

New issue and not good news.  As I add detail in one location, various items are disappearing in other areas.  I’m not sure of the cause but I’m missing walls, wall details and flights of stairs.

Just a thought... Could it be that you hit the software's maximum allocated memory in your computer?

I'm not a computer specialist but it reminds me some similar bugs from early vector software I used back in the 1990s...

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« Reply #51 on: Nov 22, 2020, 01:28 PM »
I was just reviewing these still photos and had the thought that I need to figure out how to post a recording of an animation of walking through the model or orbiting the view around various features.  I’m away from my computer for a few days but will start thinking on this.  The animation/walkthrough is the main reason I wanted to build the model in the first place - looking around inside at will!