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Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #30 on: Jan 12, 2021, 06:24 AM »
Good for you, Myles! And I also think that people who, for medical reasons, cannot wear masks, should probably not be out shopping during a pandemic. There are many people of goodwill who would offer do the shopping for them. I have also discovered that a surprising number of businesses can deliver directly to one's home.

As for the airlines, I have recent experience that they comply very strictly with the rules and regulations. At the start of my one and only flight since the pandemic, seven passengers were turned away and their baggage removed from the hold, as they had not complied with the conditions laid down by our destination country.

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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #31 on: Jan 12, 2021, 11:50 AM »
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  And I also think that people who, for medical reasons, cannot wear masks, should probably not be out shopping during a pandemic. 

 Here here ! There is an element of society that alas has the lanyards as a badge of Honour and are quite happy to flout it in your face knowing full well there is very little you can do ( there is very little we can do, we are not allowed to ask for proof of illness ) But if they thought about it, wearing a mask would protect OTHERS .  If as it seems the non wearers always seem to start coughing when its mentioned, that is further proof  that THEY need to wear a face covering.
The neighbour is one of those who refuses to wear a mask and was quite proud of it, hes now in isolation , while l would not wish illness upon anyone.... :-X :-X
There is always a debate about how useless they are for protection , There might also be the same debate about how seatbelts will not save everyone, but they offer protection.  Think its best if l stop my rant.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #32 on: Jan 12, 2021, 06:54 PM »
Very well said, Myles, and I totally agree with you on all counts !!

There are many people out there, who have no sense of personal responsibility !
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #33 on: Jan 21, 2021, 03:38 PM »
Saga is the first? cruise line to announce that you'll need a vaccine to sail with them.

How do you prove it?  Vaccine "passports" are still under discussion.

Also as time moves on, different vaccine variants will be required, just as with the current flu vaccines.

BBC News - Saga cruises says all customers must be vaccinated
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #35 on: Feb 02, 2021, 02:44 PM »
Commodore Warwick has been interviewed for Cruise Industry News, would be good to be able to read the full article.

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The cruise industry will rebound, but perhaps in a different format than before and passengers may have to expect that things will be different, according to legendary Commodore Ronald Warwick, who spoke with Cruise Industry News just after celebrating his 80th birthday. He also believes that the popularity of the very big ships may be fading.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24282-a-new-era-at-sea.html

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Online Isabelle Prondzynski

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« Reply #36 on: Feb 15, 2021, 07:19 AM »
The UK is from today introducing hotel quarantine for international arrivals from a group of 30 countries.

Without going into the merits of the type of quarantine adopted by the UK, I wonder whether a hotel quarantine resembles life on a cruise ship? Is there anything that the cruise companies can learn from how such a quarantine is managed and what is essential in order to make it work?

Online Lynda Bradford

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« Reply #37 on: Feb 15, 2021, 09:49 AM »
The hotel quarantine certainly has been successful in New Zealand and Australia.  Scotland has introduced hotel quarantine for passengers from all countries, rather than the red list countries' for passengers returning to England.  I am sure the cruise companies will be analysing many countries' hotel quarantine success and mistakes. 

For the cruise industry they will be looking to introduce measures that will enable the start up of cruising again.

Questions on a cruise line questionnaire that I completed last week, were obviously gauging opinion on Covid-19 measures.

There were questions on taking a covid test, prior to boarding the ship, twice during the cruise, daily Covid tests. A question on whether you would only cruise if all passengers had been vaccinated against Covid.

Should people be allowed to cruise after the first dose of the vaccine, or only after they have had two doses of the vaccine?

There was a question on whether buffet self service should be allowed. 

Questions on social distancing and wearing masks

One question on organised tours in port.  I was not sure if this was aiming at only allowing people off the ship if they had a tour organised and if you didn't have a tour organised you would not be allowed off ship. Could be an indication of the need to think about what restrictions that ports may apply to cruise ship passengers so as to protect their residents. 
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Re: Hotel quarantine
« Reply #38 on: Feb 15, 2021, 01:13 PM »
The UK is from today introducing hotel quarantine for international arrivals from a group of 30 countries.

Without going into the merits of the type of quarantine adopted by the UK, I wonder whether a hotel quarantine resembles life on a cruise ship? Is there anything that the cruise companies can learn from how such a quarantine is managed and what is essential in order to make it work?

I don't think there's much to compare the two, except for the question of air conditioning which nobody seems to adequately answer.

The quarantine hotels aren't far off a prison experience, rather than a normal hotel stay. You're confined to your room and not allowed to use any of the hotel's facilities as far as I'm aware.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #39 on: Feb 15, 2021, 01:24 PM »
Interesting cruise survey questions from Lynda.

I don't want to go on a cruise until all of the following are true :-

- I'm fully vaccinated (you're not "vaccinated" until you've had both doses).
- I don't have to wear a mask on board (what sort of holiday would that be).
- I get some answers about the air-conditioning.
- I don't have to get umpteen tests - again, what sort of holiday would that be.
- I can get off the ship in port and go wandering on my own.

To me I think buffets just need redesigned a bit - OR just turned into normal restaurants instead.  You need to be handed your tray complete with your food, cutlery and crockery on it by a member of the crew.  Self service stations (for tea, coffee, ice cream etc) need to be done away with. All of this paragraph needs to be permanent too, even after this pandemic is completely under control.  People's attitudes to hygiene have changed.   

ALSO the ships need to reduce the number of things you need to touch to the minimum, and they then need to be constantly cleaned - again I think this needs to be a permanent change.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #40 on: Feb 15, 2021, 03:21 PM »
We were speaking to friends in Auckland yesterday afternoon about booking a Douro river cruise for July 2022, they have we're still thinking about it.
Anyway they were saying that NZ is going back into a 3 day total lock-down as from today as they have had 3 cases on Covid in the last few days. One case was a woman who worked at Auckland airport as a aircraft cleaner and, whose job was to offload ready for laundering the blankets.

 

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« Reply #41 on: Feb 15, 2021, 04:00 PM »
I tend to agree with Rob, BUT cruise lines do things like buffet stations and tea and coffee stations to reduce costs and speed up the process. Will they be willing...do they have the crew berthing space to go to full service. 1 waiter can serve about 20-30 people, depending on the level of service.

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

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« Reply #42 on: Feb 15, 2021, 04:46 PM »
I don't think there's much to compare the two, except for the question of air conditioning which nobody seems to adequately answer.

The quarantine hotels aren't far off a prison experience, rather than a normal hotel stay. You're confined to your room and not allowed to use any of the hotel's facilities as far as I'm aware.

I was making the comparison because to me it seems very similar to what it would be like on a cruise ship if a Covid case occurred. All the passengers would be confined to their cabins, and the big challenge would be to stop the virus spreading around the ship.

In a quarantine hotel, there is similarly the chance that one of the quarantined guests was incubating the virus. Again, the challenge is to stop the virus spreading to the other people being quarantined at the same hotel.

And in both cases, it is obvious that the most important challenge is to protect the staff having to serve the people restricted to their cabins. I am not at all sure that the English idea that the hotel guests could be allowed into the fresh air under supervision is great. Best to make sure that they have a window and a bathroom in the hotel room and stay there until their quarantine period is over. The same thing would obviously be the case for any cruise ship passengers in a quarantine situation.

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Re: Hotel quarantine
« Reply #43 on: Feb 15, 2021, 06:42 PM »
I was making the comparison because to me it seems very similar to what it would be like on a cruise ship if a Covid case occurred. All the passengers would be confined to their cabins, and the big challenge would be to stop the virus spreading around the ship.

In a quarantine hotel, there is similarly the chance that one of the quarantined guests was incubating the virus. Again, the challenge is to stop the virus spreading to the other people being quarantined at the same hotel.

And in both cases, it is obvious that the most important challenge is to protect the staff having to serve the people restricted to their cabins. I am not at all sure that the English idea that the hotel guests could be allowed into the fresh air under supervision is great. Best to make sure that they have a window and a bathroom in the hotel room and stay there until their quarantine period is over. The same thing would obviously be the case for any cruise ship passengers in a quarantine situation.

Apologies Isabelle - I thought you were comparing a quarantine hotel with a normal cruise - silly me.

You're right its very similar indeed - except for the air-conditioning!  I think they showed conclusively that the cruise ship's ventilation system can spread the virus between rooms, didn't they?  A hotel may or may not have this problem depending on how its air system works.

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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #44 on: Feb 15, 2021, 10:34 PM »
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In a quarantine hotel, there is similarly the chance that one of the quarantined guests was incubating the virus. Again, the challenge is to stop the virus from spreading to other people being quarantined at the same hotel.   

Its easily stopped spreading in a Quarantine hotel, You simply lock the guest in the room, from the outside. Alas such things as Fire regulations, people's mental well being and then there's the fact that your placing a lot of misguided trust in people to actually stay in their rooms, and lastly peoples bleeting about human rights come into play.
You simply cannot and must not have people leaving their room for any reason. Do remember that people   shouldn't be traveling anyway at this moment so in reality there should be no need  to quarantine, However thats never going to happen.   If your going to do this then do it properly .Put in the room a large fridge fill it with mostly frozen food, fresh food can last a good number of days.  Give them a stack of disposable plates plastic cutlery, glasses and plenty of bottled water. Dont have them order room service and have some flunky delivering to their room and leaving the stuff outside, that same flunky in all likelihood has to go back and collect the tray of stuff from outside, take it back to the kitchen and probably wash the dishes, thats all contact, which isnt required. It does help if you have a large room to start with. A standard hotel room is pretty small at the best of times

A close friend last year was at the airport and ready to Fly to Australia when they were told of the Quarantine , simply put you will on arrival be met by armed guards, your details taken and you will be escorted to your hotel , your luggage will follow. he was instructed that under no circumstances must you leave your room , there will be an armed guard on each floor to stop any movement .   No thought for your human rights here ! But it worked look at how Australia has handled this so far. The friend wisely decided not to go.Another friend who l met on QE2 years ago was going back home to Australia, she did a blog each day, as she said you know the rules, you aware of what is expected and you break these at your peril.  She did tell the tale of someone who broke the rules, they were hauled away to jail, where they can lock the doors !

As a side bit of info. Premier Inn guarantees you a good nights sleep or you get your money back. All well and good but it became ever popular for guests to set the fire alarms off during the night, thereby disturbing your sleep and triggering the refund. Now theres a small clause in the fine print which excludes refunds due to fire regulations.
Now thats exactly why you cant lock people in their rooms, Fire regulations, Now lm not saying that this is how to get round the issue, BUT you have a person as lookout on each floor to stop the wandering of guests from their room which cant be locked , and imagine if the fire alarm goes off, it's generally safe to say its usually a false alarm, but you are required to vacate your room.  I believe on QE2 if you pressed the fire buttom it didnt set of the main alarms but triggered something that allowed officers to check if it was real or not.
 The Fire authority would have a hairy fit if they found out the hotels were deactivating Fire Alarms But by doing this it does reduce the risk of people trying to get out for a breath of air. Theres no reason why you couldnt have a security seal on the door, and if the seal is broken , well suffer the consequences , But again your depending on Joe Public to obey the rules, and sadly there is always an element that wlll not obey any rules .     


The lock downs we are told its essential journeys only. As you go to your door to leave, Ask yourself is this journey essential ? chances are you could honestly say No, But you will make it. People cannot stay at home, we cannot make them stay at home , You can't tell customers in a shop to you cant have this or you cant have that, you must stay 2 meters apart, people these days have so many self-entitled rights to do as they please. The police are out and about "educating" people that are not abiding , Jees these people are by the way breaking the rules.   

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I am not at all sure that the English idea that the hotel guests could be allowed into the fresh air under supervision is great.     

Its a completely crazy idea , why not open the bar and offer happy hour drinks as well ! Its either Quarantine fully or not at all, you can't do it part of the time. 
Id like to see pubs closed for much longer but l get chastised for such comments , any hospitality worker will tell you when they reopen its a day we simply dread.

   
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