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Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« on: Jul 09, 2020, 11:04 AM »
Hi,

As you know I've been closely following COVID-19 in relation to cruise ships since January.  I've also more generally been closely following the information around the virus in my personal life, as I am a part time carer for my elderly and disabled mother, and can't do anything to risk taking the virus to her.

Before I started reading, I had thought that planes would be the worst place to be during a pandemic.  However I now know, after doing reading on the matter, that a well-maintained plane will have highly effective HEPA filters that filter out 99.9% of all known viruses.  As I understand it, and as British Airways explain on their website, the air comes out of the ceiling, passes over us, and is pulled down to and out of the floor.  It is then filtered by the highly effective filters, mixed with some fresh air, and reintroduced through the ceiling again.  My understanding is, that done right, there is actually a low risk in a plane - certainly compared to any other enclosed space you might come across.

Quote from: British Airways
Refreshed air : In the cabin, air is completely replaced every 2 to 3 minutes, passing through HEPA filters.

Quote from: British Airways
HEPA filters : HEPA filters remove microscopic bacteria and virus clusters with over 99.9% efficiency, equivalent to hospital operating theatre standards.


Do cruise ships have filters?  At the moment I'm afraid I don't want to be anywhere near any cruise ship - BUT if one of them convinced me they'd done something clever with their air-con, I might. 

Other things on board need to permanently change - I am imagining that buffets will never be the same for example, but also they need to reduce the number of things people touch around the ship.  Stupid people don't sanitise their hands properly, so you can't assume they will.  Doors should self open for example.  UV light is another possible tactic for them to use.

I am currently having a similar battle with my workplace, where they are starting to talk about getting people back into the office - which has always had terrible air-conditioning, and they don't seem to be planning to do anything about it....  recirculated air is a no-no.
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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #1 on: Jul 09, 2020, 05:17 PM »
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Refreshed air : In the cabin, air is completely replaced every 2 to 3 minutes, passing through HEPA filters. 
How nice to read that at least they can do something right, Maybe not the most popular of Airlines right now, But they are doing quite a lot , your inflight meals are delivered box style with all you need in the box ,  Granted its not a delicious wholesome box , and some might say they could do a lot better . However no alcohol being served which im all in favour of, it's testing enough times anyway without adding drink into the system .  And for a short time anyone who was flying in their premium classes was able to use the coveted Concorde Lounge (usually for First Class passengers) but the lounges are reopening. A small thing that always used to irritate me , they have in a chiller open top unit always full with about 25 large bottles of Highland Spring water, and again Joe Public comes along past and while there can be, and l once counted 12 bottles of water that had been opened and a glass full taken out, they will still open another new bottle. And yet in the chiller fridges there are smaller bottles that go relatively unused.

 What is always a constant niggle is the boarding, no matter what method is used when you have Joe Blogs who has had more than enough time to get his bits required out for the flight, then decides at his seat he must get them out now and holds everyone back . Some airlines want your cabin bag checked into minimizing holds up onboarding, again a great idea, But as a leisure traveler you have all your travel documents, insurance details and dare i say good old cash in there , and id be very loath to give that up to the mercies of the aircraft hold .  Southwest do allow your cabin bag to be gate checked, but then again it's about minimizing handling. Ryanair doesn't want your bags checked into the hold it involves more handling and does promote the carry on baggage. Aberdeen does for the most part board from the front and rear and that does save precious minutes, but then those precious minutes are spent stacking over Heathrow.
Southwest at the moment , and until September are having their middle seat blocked ( A great many airlines are not doing this ) and even with this seat blocking their fares do appear to be still not much more than last year.   

Buffets, While these are great for feeding the masses, quickly, i dont think we should dismiss them, a good buffet set up can and does work wonderfully well, but a bad buffet can and does look as though its serving slops.
Caesars Palace, Its still my goto Buffet iv noticed over the years have changed their presentation and now for the most part are serving individual small plated portions to put on your tray, there are still a few dishes that are served with tongs but you have the advantage of a server serving you the portion. It also looks better, and does help portion control, its surprising just how many people out there do need both hands to hold a plate, and when they are finished the tongs are just dumped anywhere. But then Christmas week they are serving about 8k guests a day.

I visited with a local friend one local casino for a buffet brunch, where everything was in big serving containers and each container had its own set of tongs, what surprised me was how efficient it was, everyone knew the score , the line progressed at a very rapid pace and you all were going in the same direction , no hissy fits from the vegetarian or lactose-free brigade asking this and that and before a new food container was empty there was a new one there to replace it. l hate to think how many people were there , what was nice was a little sign at the start "Please take only what you know you will eat, not what you think you will"  Start to finish we were in and out in 55 mins. 

     
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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #2 on: Jul 09, 2020, 08:14 PM »
This is a fascinating article.

https://www-ft-com.ezproxy.babson.edu/content/7a4a0d2b-52b3-4a6d-a9ca-629fc093ce82

One of the first things I remember Michael telling me after I got to know him, was that they could almost (not quite!) give away the tickets, as long as they filled the ship.  A full ship will make money.

So - here's the question - would you pay double the normal fare, or even triple, for a ship that is only half full with all sorts of social distancing going on? 

Quote from: FT
Jamie Rollo, a Morgan Stanley analyst, said the level of cash burn was taking companies’ leverage to “unsustainably high levels”. Carnival, for instance, is burning through roughly $1bn in cash each month and this week delayed more sailings until next year.

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EU guidelines released last week recommended that cruises be cut to between three and seven days, and ships make fewer port visits, avoid offering buffets and apply social distancing of 1.5 metres.

They also said those over 65 years old, who make up about 30 per cent of cruise passengers, should be subject to more stringent health checks before boarding and recommended activities be organised by age to prevent the spread of infection between groups.

The captain of an ocean-going liner said such guidelines would make it “very difficult for companies to start cruising whilst adhering to the spirit of the policy”.

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« Reply #3 on: Jul 09, 2020, 10:31 PM »
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One of the first things I remember Michael telling me after I got to know him, was that they could almost (not quite!) give away the tickets, as long as they filled the ship.  A full ship will make money.   

Is this OUR ship or their other ships or the ones out with the Carnival fleet.
Is this assuming that people spent money onboard? i used to know one couple, they were slightly mad, when they paid their fare, that was all they ever paid, they didn't spend one bean onboard but still had a good time and cruised twice a year on QE2 . They were perfectly happy to do so, didn't bother with any souvenirs, tours, drinks or photos. I think they even took their own laundry powder onboard .  While we might moan about the onboard prices , a great many will always pay .

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So - here's the question - would you pay double the normal fare, or even triple, for a ship that is only half full with all sorts of social distancing going on?   
In a word NO
Perhaps now might be a time for cruise lines to rethink life aboard, even the simple things like meal times , with the multiple options on ships these days there is no reason why they couldn't extend times and go for reservations only for breakfast lunch Afternoon tea and Dinner it would give the kitchen a better idea of how many would be where and at what time. If the one venue is full then you know you're going elsewhere.
 
Its always been accepted you could eat generally when you wanted on board and where you wanted to go , perhaps now its time to rethink a lot of what used to be the norm. Decrease some of the larger tables, they can and do take forever to get through a meal, and the rule of thumb goes out the window, a table of Two can be in and out in a fraction of the time. Afternoon tea was always at 4 pm and was always busy, how many of us were there half an hour beforehand to get a table? Quite easy to make it reservations only and pop them in a lounge.  Even dare i say scrap the Midnight buffet, or if you must do a smaller themed buffet, but how many actually are looking for food at that time, while it was always nice to have a look round and have some pickings, it really wasn't required , was it ?. 
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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #4 on: Jul 09, 2020, 11:48 PM »
News from the Foreign Office for British travellers on cruise ships - and more importantly, - the shipping lines, Crews, Ports, travel agents etc, it is not at all good...
Quoted in all the newspapers tomorrow
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/cruise-ship-travel
From The Times
"The government has scuppered holiday plans for thousands by announcing an effective ban on cruising.

"The Foreign Office (FCO) has advised Britons against travelling on cruises, meaning that holiday companies will not be able to operate trips and passengers’ travel insurance will be void.

Officials said the move was based on medical advice from Public Health England. It is a huge blow to the industry, which had been gearing up to restart sailings from British ports later in the year...

In a statement the FCO said: “The government will continue to review its cruise ship travel advice based on the latest medical advice. If you have future cruise travel plans, you should speak to your travel operator, or the travel company you booked with, for further advice. The FCO continues to support the Department for Transport’s work with industry for the resumption of international cruise travel.....”

Hopefully, this "advice" cannot last for long - the situation regarding the intensity of infectivity is remarkable - and the scientists will have to find a solution  before long.
COVID-19 is a universal problem - with tracking, tracing and isolation, and eventually vaccination, there should be sufficient means and skills to stop the virus in its tracks.
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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #5 on: Jul 10, 2020, 07:43 AM »
In my opinion, I simply don't see how it'll all work sustainably enough for the cruise lines to survive for years to come let alone months, not to mention that I and most others I know who cruise wouldn't go on a cruise anytime soon given the rules in place let alone the risk of an outbreak. It wouldn't be a proper and relaxing holiday. Not to mention how practical some of these rules are in an "in action" setting on a cruise with fare paying passengers. Is 1m, 1.5m, 2m social distancing actually going to work? I don't really see how it will work even with partially filled ships given the spots that always get crowded in some way and in ways that can't necessarily be controlled or predicted very well (stairways etc). The social distancing alone is tricky to adhere to at all times on land, say when shopping at the supermarket, or heck anyone who went to the pubs recently (not me). If people are required to wear facemasks how practical would that be? Would people refuse? I wouldn't want to wear a facemask on holiday so would avoid going altogether for that reason alone if the rules were such. It is bad enough wearing a facemask on a long bus journey on a boiling summer's day let alone wearing one most of the time on a warm to sweltering Caribbean or Mediterranean cruise.

As Rosie mentions above, I would agree and say a solution (a vaccine) and if this virus mutates into a less severe strain (as it might already be, so I've heard - whether this is true or not) and works it's way into the human population without the current level of severity and with things to control it (like other viruses already amongst us such as the Flu virus and the twice yearly developed vaccines for the different strains of that) will be the only outcomes where things can even start to be practical, normal, and popular with passengers in regards to cruising. This strain of Coronavirus appears to be here to stay in some way shape and form (other strains of Coronavirus also being amongst us anyway), and it's how we try to mitigate it that will decide whether industries like the cruise industry will survive, in my opinion.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 10, 2020, 09:04 AM »
Hi,

As you know I've been closely following COVID-19 in relation to cruise ships since January.  I've also more generally been closely following the information around the virus in my personal life, as I am a part time carer for my elderly and disabled mother, and can't do anything to risk taking the virus to her.

Before I started reading, I had thought that planes would be the worst place to be during a pandemic.  However I now know, after doing reading on the matter, that a well-maintained plane will have highly effective HEPA filters that filter out 99.9% of all known viruses.  As I understand it, and as British Airways explain on their website, the air comes out of the ceiling, passes over us, and is pulled down to and out of the floor.  It is then filtered by the highly effective filters, mixed with some fresh air, and reintroduced through the ceiling again.  My understanding is, that done right, there is actually a low risk in a plane - certainly compared to any other enclosed space you might come across.


Do cruise ships have filters?  At the moment I'm afraid I don't want to be anywhere near any cruise ship - BUT if one of them convinced me they'd done something clever with their air-con, I might. 

Other things on board need to permanently change - I am imagining that buffets will never be the same for example, but also they need to reduce the number of things people touch around the ship.  Stupid people don't sanitise their hands properly, so you can't assume they will.  Doors should self open for example.  UV light is another possible tactic for them to use.

I am currently having a similar battle with my workplace, where they are starting to talk about getting people back into the office - which has always had terrible air-conditioning, and they don't seem to be planning to do anything about it....  recirculated air is a no-no.
Yes, Planes are safer not only because of the filters also because passengers on aircrafts can be served packaged foods and you are in plane for a few hours only.

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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #7 on: Jul 10, 2020, 10:12 AM »
In my opinion, I simply don't see how it'll all work sustainably enough for the cruise lines to survive for years to come let alone months, not to mention that I and most others I know who cruise wouldn't go on a cruise anytime soon given the rules in place let alone the risk of an outbreak. It wouldn't be a proper and relaxing holiday. Not to mention how practical some of these rules are in an "in action" setting on a cruise with fare paying passengers. Is 1m, 1.5m, 2m social distancing actually going to work? I don't really see how it will work even with partially filled ships given the spots that always get crowded in some way and in ways that can't necessarily be controlled or predicted very well (stairways etc). The social distancing alone is tricky to adhere to at all times on land, say when shopping at the supermarket, or heck anyone who went to the pubs recently (not me). If people are required to wear facemasks how practical would that be? Would people refuse? I wouldn't want to wear a facemask on holiday so would avoid going altogether for that reason alone if the rules were such. It is bad enough wearing a facemask on a long bus journey on a boiling summer's day let alone wearing one most of the time on a warm to sweltering Caribbean or Mediterranean cruise.

As Rosie mentions above, I would agree and say a solution (a vaccine) and if this virus mutates into a less severe strain (as it might already be, so I've heard - whether this is true or not) and works it's way into the human population without the current level of severity and with things to control it (like other viruses already amongst us such as the Flu virus and the twice yearly developed vaccines for the different strains of that) will be the only outcomes where things can even start to be practical, normal, and popular with passengers in regards to cruising. This strain of Coronavirus appears to be here to stay in some way shape and form (other strains of Coronavirus also being amongst us anyway), and it's how we try to mitigate it that will decide whether industries like the cruise industry will survive, in my opinion.

So... shouldn't they be starting to put ships into cold lay-up?  How long does it have to go on before they do this?  Carnival says they're losing a billiion a month and are becoming over-leveraged with debt.  Something has to give soon I think...
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 10, 2020, 03:14 PM »
Hi Again!

Just a mention about how the Corona Virus (COVID-19) is transmitted - because, it is one of the most infectious viruses that has occurred for generations - and is definitely rated as 'deadly' by Professors who are Doctors Virologists and epidemiologists.
To become infected - it needs to be transmitted by tiny droplets  either through breathing it in, by nose or mouth (licking, touching etc)  or through the eyes, or even by just walking through air that has become infected because of coughing sneezing nearby. (Elevators, hand-rails, keypads, light switches etc etc)
In other words it is now considered as an airborne virus (WHO) - slightly different to the classification given before this week.
To sit opposite or next to someone for just brief moments - (Planes, Theatres, lido etc) who has yet to develop symptoms (and might still be registering as Negative on testing), could be The most dangerous time  - they may be cooking the virus and highly infectious. 
No matter where you are - on plane, in coach, on train, in Gym, in a Bar - and on a ship, you are still Inside and prey to transmission. Apparently, this virus can last for 3 days on metal!
The age for transmission is changing and the prevalence remains very high in groups of men, of people who are obese, and for those of multi-ethnic origin...
 
The other thing to consider are the Crew - Will they be insured?

However - because the virus is so dangerous - my guess is that as soon as ships go into Cold Lay-up there might (God willing!) be a vaccine showing great results...
So, Rob -  maybe give warm lay-up another 6 months!!

In the meantime the Independent Sage Group are Looking at every aspect - they are holding Zoon Qs and As for the media (and public at times) You can watch and hear them on YouTube - I've worked with a few of them (HIV etc) and they are Superb thinkers.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 10, 2020, 06:31 PM »
So... shouldn't they be starting to put ships into cold lay-up?  How long does it have to go on before they do this?  Carnival says they're losing a billiion a month and are becoming over-leveraged with debt.  Something has to give soon I think...

I can see that becoming the norm alongside scrapping unless there is some breakthrough/miracle by the end of the year at the latest. But then it would only reduce the cruise line's outgoings, so yet again it wouldn't be financially sustainable long term either but it might be just enough to make it through. The fact the cruise line's (at least over here in Europe) keep revising their restart of operations doesn't bode well either in this regard, in my opinion. It's definitely not open ended regardless, and the effects will be felt for several years to come regardless too. Very sad all round regarding the cruise industry.

Has anyone been able to confirm either way if Fred Olsen's fleet are now in cold layup at Babcock in Rosyth? Last time I checked the other week, the AIS of all the fleet besides Boudicca were updating regularly, and a Fred Olsen Officer I follow on Instagram still seemed to be onboard one of their ships.
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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #10 on: Jul 10, 2020, 06:57 PM »
Hi Again!

Just a mention about how the Corona Virus (COVID-19) is transmitted - because, it is one of the most infectious viruses that has occurred for generations - and is definitely rated as 'deadly' by Professors who are Doctors Virologists and epidemiologists.
To become infected - it needs to be transmitted by tiny droplets  either through breathing it in, by nose or mouth (licking, touching etc)  or through the eyes, or even by just walking through air that has become infected because of coughing sneezing nearby. (Elevators, hand-rails, keypads, light switches etc etc)
In other words it is now considered as an airborne virus (WHO) - slightly different to the classification given before this week.
To sit opposite or next to someone for just brief moments - (Planes, Theatres, lido etc) who has yet to develop symptoms (and might still be registering as Negative on testing), could be The most dangerous time  - they may be cooking the virus and highly infectious. 
No matter where you are - on plane, in coach, on train, in Gym, in a Bar - and on a ship, you are still Inside and prey to transmission. Apparently, this virus can last for 3 days on metal!
The age for transmission is changing and the prevalence remains very high in groups of men, of people who are obese, and for those of multi-ethnic origin...
 
The other thing to consider are the Crew - Will they be insured?

However - because the virus is so dangerous - my guess is that as soon as ships go into Cold Lay-up there might (God willing!) be a vaccine showing great results...
So, Rob -  maybe give warm lay-up another 6 months!!

In the meantime the Independent Sage Group are Looking at every aspect - they are holding Zoon Qs and As for the media (and public at times) You can watch and hear them on YouTube - I've worked with a few of them (HIV etc) and they are Superb thinkers.
@IndependentSage on twitter
- this was today's conference

Thanks Rosie for posting the link to this You Tube video. It was heartening to listen to so many experts who were talking a lot of common sense, and really put into perspective some of the challenges we are and will be facing. 
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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #11 on: Jul 11, 2020, 06:36 PM »
A long article here about the future of tourism in general, starting with the cruise industry.

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/jun/18/end-of-tourism-coronavirus-pandemic-travel-industry

It is clear from the article that there are many different situations and considerations, and that some tourism is actually useful to the places being visited.

And then there are all the people employed in the industry...


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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #13 on: Jul 12, 2020, 11:10 PM »
There's to be a major Conference hosted by Carnival in July..
More on this later.

The only way that would seem possible and sensible - would be to hope for good results from the trials ongoing to test vaccinations. Otherwise requesting that both passengers as well as those in the Ships' Company isolate for 2 weeks prior to embarkation - then on the day of embarkation -  test the person for either virus (or eventually a reliable antibody test) for Covid-19, check the result, hopefully a "negative", and a symptom free passenger can be allowed to join the ship.
There could be the same exercise as after port visits - go to just one port, and self isolate for remainder of voyage!

Today I was sent a passage from a good friend taken from the Journal published by Bloomberg - written by Fran Brandon.  "The world’s cruise ships can’t sail. Now, what to do with them?
Hurricanes, humidity, expired permits—they’re all costly threats to empty ships."

https://apple.news/AIjLPe9-1SjCUJtrtWyfJoA
It was one of the situations where the reader is told this is an offer etc - and encouraged to join and pay!
If you can access it - it makes salutory reading regarding cold lay ups etc


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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #14 on: Jul 13, 2020, 12:47 PM »
Good articles above, the Bloomberg one - and its video - are great.

It's hard to know what the answer is, until there's a vaccine.  And then you have these vast cruise companies saddled with enormous amounts of debt...  for the ships, it's going to be a case of the survival of the fittest...

Our previous two trips with Cunard didn't impress, and we had no future sailing plans before this, and certainly don't now.  But I know cruising is a massive part of many people's lives, and they'll be desperate to return as soon as they are able.

For me, other non-ship-based holidays and adventures over the years have left more lasting impressions, and it's more of those that I'm looking forward to.  The odd day on the Waverley will give me the sea air that I need from time to time!
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 05, 2020, 04:06 AM »
Given the news this week about the outbreaks on board Hurtigruten - it’s probably fair to ask whether cruising resumed too soon? I made a little video about it, but would be keen on your thoughts. I do wonder how cruising (or any form of global travel) can safely resume until there’s a successful COVID vaccine? In Australia (and NZ) there’s travel bans in place and borders are closed between Australian states. There’s no cruising at all, and you need a very good reason to even be able to fly or drive between some states, so things are quite strict here which a majority of people seem supportive of. Other areas in the world are more relaxed about travel - including cruising - so I’m sure there’s a variety of thoughts on the topic. 


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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #16 on: Oct 14, 2020, 12:16 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #17 on: Oct 14, 2020, 09:12 PM »
Information here about resumption of cruising and the changes

https://www.cunard.com/en-gb/the-cunard-experience/sailing-with-confidence/your-cunard-experience

As far as I can see, this gives information about protocols and procedures planned for the future, and not yet any plans for future cruises. But of course this information may help people wondering what a future cruise might look like.

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« Reply #18 on: Oct 15, 2020, 07:03 AM »
It's beginning to look like the inside of the house again  :(

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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #19 on: Nov 15, 2020, 03:04 PM »
All efforts to get even limited cruising going again, seem to be coming to nothing - SeaDream 1 is the latest affected.  "The Points guy" is on the cruise and has posted the following (in order)

Why I’m about to get on a cruise ship. This week. Really
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/cruise-writer-returns-to-cruising/

I just boarded the first cruise ship to sail in the Caribbean since March. This is what the process was like
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/first-caribbean-cruise-seadream-boarding-process/

Surprisingly normal: What it’s like on board the first Caribbean cruise since March
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/first-seadream-caribbean-cruise-onboard/

The first cruise ship to resume sailing in the Caribbean is having a COVID scare
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/caribbean-cruise-covid-scare-seadream/

More passengers test positive for COVID on Caribbean cruise ship
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/more-passengers-test-positive-for-covid-on-caribbean-cruise-ship/

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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #20 on: Nov 16, 2020, 10:47 AM »
As mentioned in the previous post, what was meant to be a test case for the entire cruise industry, has not gone well at all, and there's lots of criticism aimed at the cruise company.

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2020/11/articles/disease/seadream-cruise-guests-flown-from-barbados-to-airports-around-the-world/

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2020/11/articles/disease/seadreams-caribbean-cruise-champagne-caviar-and-covid-19/
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 16, 2020, 05:40 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 16, 2020, 08:25 PM »
Well my wife and her brothers are going on a 5 or 7 day next August.....if things seem safe.

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Re: Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #23 on: Dec 09, 2020, 11:24 PM »
Well they've tried again, too early, and failed again.

The Guardian: Singapore 'cruise to nowhere' ends after passenger tests positive for Covid-19.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/09/singapore-cruise-to-nowhere-ends-after-passenger-tests-positive-for-covid-19
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 09, 2020, 11:32 PM »
It gets worse, because the test was a false positive, and the passenger tested negative on land.

All this took place out of Singapore, which is free from COVID-19 and extremely strict with arrivals into the country. Only Singaporeans were on the cruise. The crew of the ship had to quarantine for 14 days before the cruise, all for nothing.

It just shows, as you say, Rob, that it is too early. Nerves are still on edge, and the slightest problem can lead to a crisis.

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« Reply #25 on: Dec 31, 2020, 12:26 AM »
And then there is this!

Amazingly a lot of crew have said the companies treated them well and want to go back!

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-cruise-ship-suicides/

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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #26 on: Jan 11, 2021, 12:10 PM »
The attached is from an hour ago.

Quite interesting.

Forcing people to have vaccines is frowned upon by many...
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« Reply #27 on: Jan 11, 2021, 06:31 PM »
The attached is from an hour ago.

Quite interesting.

Forcing people to have vaccines is frowned upon by many...

The woman is a complete idiot, probably voted for Trump though so understandable!

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« Reply #28 on: Jan 11, 2021, 07:28 PM »
Forcing people to have vaccines is frowned upon by many...

Since you posted this image, I have thought about it a bit. I do agree with the general approach, that requiring vaccinations in certain situations is a good idea, and I would be happy to comply and feel safe if everybody else did.

My initial thought was also that, if you do not want to be vaccinated, you could simply stay away from situations that require proof of vaccination. This could apply to cruises, for example. But as for flights, I can think of many situations where it will be necessary to fly, once some sort of normality returns. Visit to an elderly or ailing relative for example, a family occasion such as a wedding or funeral, or even a business trip.

I did think then that not everybody might be able to comply. For instance, in many countries of the world, the vaccines are being rolled out very slowly, if they have even arrived at all. Are we going to exclude residents of these countries from flying for instance? And again, it is possible that some people, for some medical reason or other, may not be able to take the vaccine. How do we distinguish them from the anti-vaxers? And again, in some countries, the vaccine being dispensed has not been approved by the European or American authorities. Do we then accept or turn back people vaccinated with the Russian vaccine for example?

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« Reply #29 on: Jan 12, 2021, 01:43 AM »
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It is, And if you don't have it, You don't travel. 

However, Kudos to Morrisons supermarket for insisting masks be worn in the store, and those with  a medical condition l believe. are asked to prove they are exempt  There is far too much of this attitude "im not wearing a mask and l l wont "

A close friend works in a major supermarket, every day she has horror stories of dealing with the public. The staff are not allowed to question or refuse service to the public. The public by and large these days never hear the word NO, And its about time they were told No to somethings.  The attitude of Management is profits profits profits, and if you are not happy , the vacant position will be filled right away. Shocking, Hard to believe and quite insulting, But alas its the truth. Of course management will deny this .  I'm all for everyone having the vaccine  required in these times. I do however think that only having opening times from 8am to 8pm is pretty lame.  If the Government are so concerned it should be made available 6am to midnight and stagger the times, at least they are planning on having the various sites open Seven days a week.

When the curfew was on l went into work one night at 11pm just before Christmas to find people still in the bar. The staff and a member of Management  were  tying to get them out. l had no hesitation whatso ever in going through the bar are removing full glasses of alcohol from customers who l knew, then l closed the bar shutters , and told eveyone Please leave right now. Thankyou ,Good Night and Merry Christmas and dimmed the lights  there were shouts of oh one more drink, of dont be so hard. l got the two members of staff and all l asked was they collect three glasses and away they go home. People just didn't believe it was the law and we are required to shut. I received a few comments that oh im phoning your boss about this, My reply, Please go ahead but leave NOW . The public at times just do not get it. Its really quite infuriating and if truth be told pretty sad !

I fully support and wish that all bars were closed during this pandemic, l have no sympathy for the bleating masses that oh need a pint for social circumstances. Alcohol and social distancing just does not work, Dealing with drunks is never easy and right now when pubs are having rules changed frequently only makes the job harder. And scenes outsides pubs at closing times with the masses is just sickening.         

   
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« Reply #30 on: Jan 12, 2021, 06:24 AM »
Good for you, Myles! And I also think that people who, for medical reasons, cannot wear masks, should probably not be out shopping during a pandemic. There are many people of goodwill who would offer do the shopping for them. I have also discovered that a surprising number of businesses can deliver directly to one's home.

As for the airlines, I have recent experience that they comply very strictly with the rules and regulations. At the start of my one and only flight since the pandemic, seven passengers were turned away and their baggage removed from the hold, as they had not complied with the conditions laid down by our destination country.

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 Here here ! There is an element of society that alas has the lanyards as a badge of Honour and are quite happy to flout it in your face knowing full well there is very little you can do ( there is very little we can do, we are not allowed to ask for proof of illness ) But if they thought about it, wearing a mask would protect OTHERS .  If as it seems the non wearers always seem to start coughing when its mentioned, that is further proof  that THEY need to wear a face covering.
The neighbour is one of those who refuses to wear a mask and was quite proud of it, hes now in isolation , while l would not wish illness upon anyone.... :-X :-X
There is always a debate about how useless they are for protection , There might also be the same debate about how seatbelts will not save everyone, but they offer protection.  Think its best if l stop my rant.
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« Reply #32 on: Jan 12, 2021, 06:54 PM »
Very well said, Myles, and I totally agree with you on all counts !!

There are many people out there, who have no sense of personal responsibility !
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« Reply #33 on: Jan 21, 2021, 03:38 PM »
Saga is the first? cruise line to announce that you'll need a vaccine to sail with them.

How do you prove it?  Vaccine "passports" are still under discussion.

Also as time moves on, different vaccine variants will be required, just as with the current flu vaccines.

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« Reply #35 on: Feb 02, 2021, 02:44 PM »
Commodore Warwick has been interviewed for Cruise Industry News, would be good to be able to read the full article.

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The cruise industry will rebound, but perhaps in a different format than before and passengers may have to expect that things will be different, according to legendary Commodore Ronald Warwick, who spoke with Cruise Industry News just after celebrating his 80th birthday. He also believes that the popularity of the very big ships may be fading.

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« Reply #36 on: Feb 15, 2021, 07:19 AM »
The UK is from today introducing hotel quarantine for international arrivals from a group of 30 countries.

Without going into the merits of the type of quarantine adopted by the UK, I wonder whether a hotel quarantine resembles life on a cruise ship? Is there anything that the cruise companies can learn from how such a quarantine is managed and what is essential in order to make it work?

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« Reply #37 on: Feb 15, 2021, 09:49 AM »
The hotel quarantine certainly has been successful in New Zealand and Australia.  Scotland has introduced hotel quarantine for passengers from all countries, rather than the red list countries' for passengers returning to England.  I am sure the cruise companies will be analysing many countries' hotel quarantine success and mistakes. 

For the cruise industry they will be looking to introduce measures that will enable the start up of cruising again.

Questions on a cruise line questionnaire that I completed last week, were obviously gauging opinion on Covid-19 measures.

There were questions on taking a covid test, prior to boarding the ship, twice during the cruise, daily Covid tests. A question on whether you would only cruise if all passengers had been vaccinated against Covid.

Should people be allowed to cruise after the first dose of the vaccine, or only after they have had two doses of the vaccine?

There was a question on whether buffet self service should be allowed. 

Questions on social distancing and wearing masks

One question on organised tours in port.  I was not sure if this was aiming at only allowing people off the ship if they had a tour organised and if you didn't have a tour organised you would not be allowed off ship. Could be an indication of the need to think about what restrictions that ports may apply to cruise ship passengers so as to protect their residents. 
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The UK is from today introducing hotel quarantine for international arrivals from a group of 30 countries.

Without going into the merits of the type of quarantine adopted by the UK, I wonder whether a hotel quarantine resembles life on a cruise ship? Is there anything that the cruise companies can learn from how such a quarantine is managed and what is essential in order to make it work?

I don't think there's much to compare the two, except for the question of air conditioning which nobody seems to adequately answer.

The quarantine hotels aren't far off a prison experience, rather than a normal hotel stay. You're confined to your room and not allowed to use any of the hotel's facilities as far as I'm aware.
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« Reply #39 on: Feb 15, 2021, 01:24 PM »
Interesting cruise survey questions from Lynda.

I don't want to go on a cruise until all of the following are true :-

- I'm fully vaccinated (you're not "vaccinated" until you've had both doses).
- I don't have to wear a mask on board (what sort of holiday would that be).
- I get some answers about the air-conditioning.
- I don't have to get umpteen tests - again, what sort of holiday would that be.
- I can get off the ship in port and go wandering on my own.

To me I think buffets just need redesigned a bit - OR just turned into normal restaurants instead.  You need to be handed your tray complete with your food, cutlery and crockery on it by a member of the crew.  Self service stations (for tea, coffee, ice cream etc) need to be done away with. All of this paragraph needs to be permanent too, even after this pandemic is completely under control.  People's attitudes to hygiene have changed.   

ALSO the ships need to reduce the number of things you need to touch to the minimum, and they then need to be constantly cleaned - again I think this needs to be a permanent change.
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« Reply #40 on: Feb 15, 2021, 03:21 PM »
We were speaking to friends in Auckland yesterday afternoon about booking a Douro river cruise for July 2022, they have we're still thinking about it.
Anyway they were saying that NZ is going back into a 3 day total lock-down as from today as they have had 3 cases on Covid in the last few days. One case was a woman who worked at Auckland airport as a aircraft cleaner and, whose job was to offload ready for laundering the blankets.

 

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« Reply #41 on: Feb 15, 2021, 04:00 PM »
I tend to agree with Rob, BUT cruise lines do things like buffet stations and tea and coffee stations to reduce costs and speed up the process. Will they be willing...do they have the crew berthing space to go to full service. 1 waiter can serve about 20-30 people, depending on the level of service.

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« Reply #42 on: Feb 15, 2021, 04:46 PM »
I don't think there's much to compare the two, except for the question of air conditioning which nobody seems to adequately answer.

The quarantine hotels aren't far off a prison experience, rather than a normal hotel stay. You're confined to your room and not allowed to use any of the hotel's facilities as far as I'm aware.

I was making the comparison because to me it seems very similar to what it would be like on a cruise ship if a Covid case occurred. All the passengers would be confined to their cabins, and the big challenge would be to stop the virus spreading around the ship.

In a quarantine hotel, there is similarly the chance that one of the quarantined guests was incubating the virus. Again, the challenge is to stop the virus spreading to the other people being quarantined at the same hotel.

And in both cases, it is obvious that the most important challenge is to protect the staff having to serve the people restricted to their cabins. I am not at all sure that the English idea that the hotel guests could be allowed into the fresh air under supervision is great. Best to make sure that they have a window and a bathroom in the hotel room and stay there until their quarantine period is over. The same thing would obviously be the case for any cruise ship passengers in a quarantine situation.

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« Reply #43 on: Feb 15, 2021, 06:42 PM »
I was making the comparison because to me it seems very similar to what it would be like on a cruise ship if a Covid case occurred. All the passengers would be confined to their cabins, and the big challenge would be to stop the virus spreading around the ship.

In a quarantine hotel, there is similarly the chance that one of the quarantined guests was incubating the virus. Again, the challenge is to stop the virus spreading to the other people being quarantined at the same hotel.

And in both cases, it is obvious that the most important challenge is to protect the staff having to serve the people restricted to their cabins. I am not at all sure that the English idea that the hotel guests could be allowed into the fresh air under supervision is great. Best to make sure that they have a window and a bathroom in the hotel room and stay there until their quarantine period is over. The same thing would obviously be the case for any cruise ship passengers in a quarantine situation.

Apologies Isabelle - I thought you were comparing a quarantine hotel with a normal cruise - silly me.

You're right its very similar indeed - except for the air-conditioning!  I think they showed conclusively that the cruise ship's ventilation system can spread the virus between rooms, didn't they?  A hotel may or may not have this problem depending on how its air system works.

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Its easily stopped spreading in a Quarantine hotel, You simply lock the guest in the room, from the outside. Alas such things as Fire regulations, people's mental well being and then there's the fact that your placing a lot of misguided trust in people to actually stay in their rooms, and lastly peoples bleeting about human rights come into play.
You simply cannot and must not have people leaving their room for any reason. Do remember that people   shouldn't be traveling anyway at this moment so in reality there should be no need  to quarantine, However thats never going to happen.   If your going to do this then do it properly .Put in the room a large fridge fill it with mostly frozen food, fresh food can last a good number of days.  Give them a stack of disposable plates plastic cutlery, glasses and plenty of bottled water. Dont have them order room service and have some flunky delivering to their room and leaving the stuff outside, that same flunky in all likelihood has to go back and collect the tray of stuff from outside, take it back to the kitchen and probably wash the dishes, thats all contact, which isnt required. It does help if you have a large room to start with. A standard hotel room is pretty small at the best of times

A close friend last year was at the airport and ready to Fly to Australia when they were told of the Quarantine , simply put you will on arrival be met by armed guards, your details taken and you will be escorted to your hotel , your luggage will follow. he was instructed that under no circumstances must you leave your room , there will be an armed guard on each floor to stop any movement .   No thought for your human rights here ! But it worked look at how Australia has handled this so far. The friend wisely decided not to go.Another friend who l met on QE2 years ago was going back home to Australia, she did a blog each day, as she said you know the rules, you aware of what is expected and you break these at your peril.  She did tell the tale of someone who broke the rules, they were hauled away to jail, where they can lock the doors !

As a side bit of info. Premier Inn guarantees you a good nights sleep or you get your money back. All well and good but it became ever popular for guests to set the fire alarms off during the night, thereby disturbing your sleep and triggering the refund. Now theres a small clause in the fine print which excludes refunds due to fire regulations.
Now thats exactly why you cant lock people in their rooms, Fire regulations, Now lm not saying that this is how to get round the issue, BUT you have a person as lookout on each floor to stop the wandering of guests from their room which cant be locked , and imagine if the fire alarm goes off, it's generally safe to say its usually a false alarm, but you are required to vacate your room.  I believe on QE2 if you pressed the fire buttom it didnt set of the main alarms but triggered something that allowed officers to check if it was real or not.
 The Fire authority would have a hairy fit if they found out the hotels were deactivating Fire Alarms But by doing this it does reduce the risk of people trying to get out for a breath of air. Theres no reason why you couldnt have a security seal on the door, and if the seal is broken , well suffer the consequences , But again your depending on Joe Public to obey the rules, and sadly there is always an element that wlll not obey any rules .     


The lock downs we are told its essential journeys only. As you go to your door to leave, Ask yourself is this journey essential ? chances are you could honestly say No, But you will make it. People cannot stay at home, we cannot make them stay at home , You can't tell customers in a shop to you cant have this or you cant have that, you must stay 2 meters apart, people these days have so many self-entitled rights to do as they please. The police are out and about "educating" people that are not abiding , Jees these people are by the way breaking the rules.   

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Its a completely crazy idea , why not open the bar and offer happy hour drinks as well ! Its either Quarantine fully or not at all, you can't do it part of the time. 
Id like to see pubs closed for much longer but l get chastised for such comments , any hospitality worker will tell you when they reopen its a day we simply dread.

   
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« Reply #45 on: Feb 17, 2021, 08:51 AM »
Regarding Quarantine Hotels, interesting article here.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/17/what-australia-has-learned-from-a-year-of-covid-hotel-quarantine

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To be honest Rob, and others, from what I have read, the virus has a lot of similarities to bedbugs!

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« Reply #47 on: Mar 12, 2021, 11:36 AM »
The trouble is you cant simply restart right away, it takes time to get everything going again. Its not like switching on a light switch

If we take the actual ship maintenance out of the picture, the next big problem - the biggest problem - is the people - the crew.  They're all in the wrong places, and it took lots of months to get them all home when this thing started, and it will take the same again this time.

I had also wondered if the ships will end up with at least some of their original crew, or if they'll end up scattered around on all different ships.  Would be a shame, as the crew are so vital to the atmosphere on board - and with the Cunard ships there was still a link with some of them back to QE2.
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« Reply #48 on: Apr 01, 2021, 06:07 PM »
I see Cunard are saying they've had their busiest day of bookings in a decade today.  I'm pleased for them, the demand is there, clearly.  Lots of vaccinated, wealthy, bored older people champing at the bit!

Now was it QE2's retirement announcement, or the opening of the new QE to bookings that was what they're referring to a decade ago?

They're offering UK Cruises - and also "sun voyages" - sailing from Southampton to the Sun, but nobody gets off anywhere.  Actually sounds quite nice...
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« Reply #49 on: Apr 10, 2021, 08:17 AM »
A massive volcano has erupted on the island of Saint Vincent in the Caribbean :

www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/world/americas/volcano-St-Vincent-eruption-caribbean.amp.html

The BBC reports this morning that evacuations from the island are mostly to cruise ships standing by, because the other islands in the same State are worried about evacuees bringing in Covid.

I found this video about the cruise ships racing to the scene. It will be very interesting to see how this can work.


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« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2021, 11:06 PM »
Jonathan Boonzaier went on a three-night cruise on Dream Cruises' World Dream out of Singapore in order to write a series of articles on how cruising could be re-started.

Here is one that is free to read for non subscribers :

https://www.tradewindsnews.com/cruise-and-ferry/full-steam-ahead-the-show-has-to-go-on-for-cruise-but-is-no-easy-task-with-covid-19/2-1-1004293

And his second article follows :

https://www.tradewindsnews.com/cruise-and-ferry/masks-and-magicians-cruising-in-the-covid-19-era/2-1-1002837
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« Reply #51 on: Jul 09, 2021, 01:40 PM »
Cunard's Queen Elizabeth was about to resume sailings, but new crew joining the ship brought Covid on board with them...

Shows how hard it is to "keep it out" despite every possible precaution.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/07/07/crew-members-cunards-queen-elizabeth-ship-test-positive-covid/7885169002/

Is anyone reading this going on any sort of cruise this year?
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #52 on: Jul 09, 2021, 04:16 PM »
Cunard's Queen Elizabeth was about to resume sailings, but new crew joining the ship brought Covid on board with them...

Shows how hard it is to "keep it out" despite every possible precaution.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/07/07/crew-members-cunards-queen-elizabeth-ship-test-positive-covid/7885169002/

Is anyone reading this going on any sort of cruise this year?

My Dad and his fiancé are going on QM2's first passenger sailing since the restart, in November, if things go to plan. QM2 is due to refit, and needs it, sometime before then...

I will be joining my first ship for work sometime in the New Year, albeit it won't be a cruise ship through personal choice.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #53 on: Jul 10, 2021, 01:14 AM »
No cruise this year, but I'm carving out plans to do something as a treat for myself after I graduate from school in June 2022. However at the rate that things are going with covid I don't think I can see it happening. A matter of time, I guess.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #54 on: Jul 10, 2021, 10:11 PM »
We have booked one of the 7 day sunshine cruises at the end of September on QE. No itinerary, no stops, just follow the best weather.
Here's hoping!

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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #55 on: Jul 12, 2021, 01:48 PM »
Not exactly cruising related but if you want to slake your thirst for going on a one-day trip on a boat I can suggest the ferry services between Cesme and Chios. As far as I understood there are no tests or vaccination documents required since no one asked to see neither before boarding nor during the trip. You just need to buy a Greek visa before you leave though it's not so costly. The last boat trip we have had with my family was 3 years ago before the pandemic to buy house in Cannes and this one is the first trip we had since then. I can't express how much I missed the feeling...

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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #56 on: Jul 12, 2021, 04:54 PM »
The Jimmy Sturr Orchestra is booked for a cruise on Sky Princess at the end of January 2022. It remains to be seen if it actually takes place, or if nervous people cancel their bookings.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #57 on: Jul 12, 2021, 07:55 PM »
Not exactly cruising related but if you want to slake your thirst for going on a one-day trip on a boat I can suggest the ferry services between Cesme and Chios. As far as I understood there are no tests or vaccination documents required since no one asked to see neither before boarding nor during the trip. You just need to buy a Greek visa before you leave though it's not so costly. The last boat trip we have had with my family was 3 years ago before the pandemic to buy house in Cannes and this one is the first trip we had since then. I can't express how much I missed the feeling...

Yes, ferries and all kinds of little ships would interest me now. I have no idea whether I would ever want to go on a cruise again. I think to a very large extent it would depend on who else comes... and not because of an interest in a particular ship.

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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #58 on: Jul 13, 2021, 02:41 PM »
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  Cunard's Queen Elizabeth was about to resume sailings, but new crew joining the ship brought Covid on board with them...

Shows how hard it is to "keep it out" despite every possible precaution.
 

I was surprised on my recent trip to London Its all very well pushing the NHS Track and trace and asking everyone to scan that QR code. I scanned it on multiple times at various locations. It wouldn't work as my postcode wasn't accepted.(its a scottish one)  so then the marvelous system swung into action , for some places you were just ushered through, 2 places had the form to leave your details but no pens, use your own l was told , but l had no pen.  one place took down my details.and the rest were not really bothered. A charming little cafe l was served by an old dear, she asked "But you will have had both vaccines " l said Yes and im past the 3 week stage , but l just dont have proof on me. " she looked straight at me and said "But you have a kind honest face " l wasn't sure if l should laugh cry or give her a big hug .

As was mentioned onboard Easyjet "We can all help reduce the spread by wearing masks, so we ask that all passengers wear masks"
l was enjoying  a cuppa onboard and was finished and nodded off and was prodded by a member of the crew. She was polite, but firm and l was mortified that l had let my regime slip. l must say they were very good in the mask department.

My thoughts were on the poor staff at that football place.  dealing with the ******* l fear they might have had a better response by peeing in the wind, and we know how effective that is.

It would be nice to be able to travel like the old days, but l fear those days are long gone.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #60 on: Aug 14, 2021, 03:47 PM »
This is hardly surprising...

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/carnival-cruise-ship-vista-covid-cases/index.html

Just to follow up on this.  At this time, I'm having an interesting "debate" with my employers about how the air-conditioning in the office works.  Nobody seems to know...  Cunard is getting going with its cruising again, but what are they saying they've done to the air-conditioning?  Its absolutely crucial.  With the Delta variant, and even with fully vaccinated crew & passengers, care still needs to be taken with air-borne transmission over everything else.  I would hate to think air was coming into my cabin, from other cabins, for instance.  My view on this sort of stuff has changed forever as a result of the pandemic.
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #61 on: Aug 27, 2021, 12:47 PM »
Queen Mary 2 in Brest today for dry docking refit for return to service.  That's a relief, i was quite worried about her.  I hope with precautions that's the last time she's out of service for so long.

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/cunards-queen-mary-2-to-dock-in-france-ahead-of-return-to-service-30143

Lovely photo here of her before sailing.

https://twitter.com/cunardline/status/1430929044397334529
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #63 on: Sep 09, 2021, 09:13 PM »
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QM2 in Brest Dry Dock 
Any idea of the work being done during this time ? is it all cosmetic with a lick of paint or something more meaningful?

During the first lockdown last year as a small example, where l work removed all the carpets for some 25 rooms and replaced with wooden flooring and reconfigured some of the suites into self service apartments. At the time some folks questioned the vast expense, but as it happened with various long-term stays it made sense as we shuddered to think how carpets would have looked after various 3 month stays. One guest allowed noone into his room during that time (which of course given the circumstances was his prerogative )

Sometimes you have to spend money to save .

But can we begin to imagine how QM2 must have looked after all this time inside ? the small things like kettles in the rooms the mini bars toilet systems to the larger things like kitchens that havent been used fully and the large refridgerators some things you cant just switch off and leave .     
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Re: Cruising and Coronavirus - How to get going again?
« Reply #64 on: Sep 23, 2021, 04:05 AM »
Any idea of the work being done during this time ? is it all cosmetic with a lick of paint or something more meaningful?

But can we begin to imagine how QM2 must have looked after all this time inside ? the small things like kettles in the rooms the mini bars toilet systems to the larger things like kitchens that havent been used fully and the large refridgerators some things you cant just switch off and leave .     

I would like to assume it's probably just a deep clean / freshen up since she's been idle for so long.
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