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« Reply #80 on: Mar 16, 2020, 12:40 PM »
I overheard a man on the phone at the airport say there were 300 passengers sailed with the ship. Not sure if there  is any truth in this, but it is possible there are people who cannot fly for health reasons. I am sure more information will become available in the coming days.

Amazing what you hear going up the escalator at the airport, but could be nonsense
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« Reply #81 on: Mar 16, 2020, 01:20 PM »
Just read from your Facebook post that QM2 is to sail light ship back to Soton? I am assuming QV and QE will follow suit?

Glad you got your cruise Lynda! Who knows what Covid 19 will do to the world as we currently know it. I fear for companies who are already on a wobbly financial footing.

The safety of people is of paramount importance but it is hard to see how things will pan out in the aftermath!

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #82 on: Mar 16, 2020, 01:21 PM »
Fred Olsen's Braemar is stuck in the Bahamas with passengers and crew infected with COVID-19

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/cruise-ships-stranded-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

The Silver Shadow also has an affected passenger, as does the Silver Explorer

In fact the futher you read that article, the more you see there was no way for them to continue.

I have to ask - when can they restart?  From my reading of the situation, it could be a year.  I'm not sure I see the companies surviving that long...
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #83 on: Mar 16, 2020, 01:22 PM »
Just read from your Facebook post that QM2 is to sail light ship back to Soton? I am assuming QV and QE will follow suit?
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It was on the BBC earlier -

BBC News - Coronavirus: Cunard ends its three world cruises
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« Reply #84 on: Mar 16, 2020, 01:36 PM »
Jeez Soton is going to be a busy place soon!

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #85 on: Mar 16, 2020, 01:42 PM »
QM2 and QV are set to head back to Southampton. QE seems to be set to layup or to try to layup somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere, not being headed back to Southampton at the moment, and is empty of passengers having left Sydney early this morning (Sydney local time) according to one of her deck officer's Instagram stories. She is underway at low speed with a "port not recognised" next port/destination on MarineTraffic.

Saga Sapphire (with only a couple/few voyages left with Saga before leaving the fleet) has left Dover for layup in Tilbury alongside Spirit of Discovery which left Southampton a couple of days ago. Astoria and Magellan are already laid up in Tilbury.

Aurora has headed back to Southampton, Black Watch and Balmoral as well. Boudicca to Dover.

Southampton and other ports will appear to see laid up passenger ships in numbers not seen since the Seaman's Strike of 1966 with all the consequences that causes. That's not even considering certain types of cargo ship - car carriers laid up with people not buying cars, tankers laid up with less oil consumption etc etc…

I also wonder what Fincantieri and Meyer Werft are thinking and doing. For example, P&O's new flagship Iona is due to debut in May but who knows whether she will after all?
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« Reply #86 on: Mar 16, 2020, 04:36 PM »
QM2 suspended services until 11/4/2020. I’m guessing that’ dates verges on the side of caution, However, it’ll take most of that time between now and then to return from Australia.

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« Reply #87 on: Mar 16, 2020, 11:01 PM »
Out of service dates for different companies are being pushed further ahead with each new press release. 
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #88 on: Mar 19, 2020, 01:30 PM »
I'm sorry to keep posting on this already depressing topic, however it's already giving an interesting story of how it all unfolded, if you start reading at the start.

Attached is carnival UK's share price position this afternoon...
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« Reply #89 on: Mar 20, 2020, 08:52 AM »
I'm sorry to keep posting on this already depressing topic, however it's already giving an interesting story of how it all unfolded, if you start reading at the start.

Attached is carnival UK's share price position this afternoon...

No need to apologise Rob as you said on the main Covid19 topic - this gives a "for the record" account of happenings in the cruise industry during these unprecedented times.

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #90 on: Mar 20, 2020, 12:32 PM »
A Cunard update about where their ships are / are going to.

From https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22640-cunard-line-fleet-update.html

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Cunard Line has released the following fleet update on its three vessels.

The Queen Elizabeth has disembarked all guests and is currently anchored at the Port of Gladstone.

The Queen Mary 2 is crossing the Indian Ocean on passage back to Southampton, due to arrive April 11 and berth at the QEII terminal.

The Queen Victoria has sailed from Port Everglades and is on her way across the Atlantic back to Southampton, due to arrive March 26. She will berth at the QEII Terminal before relocating to anchorage at Portland.
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« Reply #91 on: Mar 22, 2020, 02:48 PM »
Cruise ships to the rescue

Report attached. American cruise ships could be sent offshore US cities to provide extra hospital space

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/trump-says-carnival-offering-cruise-ships-to-help-in-coronavirus-crisis/

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« Reply #92 on: Mar 22, 2020, 08:53 PM »
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American cruise ships could be sent offshore US cities to provide extra hospital space

Considering the rapid spread of the Virus on the Diamond Princess is this really a good idea??
Also wonder what is going on with that ship, marine tracker still shows her in Yokohama, must be a miserable life for the crew as I'm sure they cannot go ashore....

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« Reply #93 on: Mar 22, 2020, 10:08 PM »
Considering the rapid spread of the Virus on the Diamond Princess is this really a good idea??
Also wonder what is going on with that ship, marine tracker still shows her in Yokohama, must be a miserable life for the crew as I'm sure they cannot go ashore....

As far as I know, Yokohama is the home port of the Diamond Princess, and again as far as I know the crew all disembarked quite a while ago. Although perhaps there are some basic crew on board to look after her while she is stranded, so to speak...

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #94 on: Mar 23, 2020, 07:31 AM »
Flabbergasted to read this this morning, and that the ship embarked passengers so recently.

Business Insider: Passengers, crew exhibit flu-like symptoms on Holland America cruise - Business Insider.

https://www.businessinsider.com/holland-america-cruise-zaandam-passengers-crew-flu-symptoms-2020-3
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« Reply #95 on: Mar 23, 2020, 09:20 AM »
It looks like Princess Cruises must have the least efficient testing, checking & reporting system as normal fit-out on all their ships.

When Ruby Princess was in NZ waters, many pax were taken ashore in Akaroa Harbour for scenic tours around Christchurch & Canterbury. The ship then cut the itinerary short and headed for Australia.

Just before arrival there it was reported they may have 3 or 4 'flu' cases on board. Princess Cruises went public the next day and claimed there were NO cases on board at all (which, in hindsight, is probably correct. The cases weren't 'flu' - they were coronavirus!).

Then today, we are told there have so far been around 26 cases of coronavirus confirmed from both passengers & crew, AFTER the 2,700 passengers were permitted to disembark, all untested! Today, 5 new coronavirus cases in ACT Canberra had been directly traced back to Ruby Princess. And it was also reported by 'The Guardian' that 158 cases of illness occurred on the ship before the pax disembarked!

When are the bumbling port and medical authorities around the world going to stop allowing un-tested people off these ships!

Thankfully, NZ is now going into lock down for four weeks (initially).

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #96 on: Mar 24, 2020, 02:42 PM »
Much food for thought here

Don’t bail out the cruise industry
Trump said it’s a ‘prime candidate,’ but there are plenty of reasons not to

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/23/21187076/cruise-line-industry-bailout-trump-coronavirus-us-companies-tax

Summary :-

They’re not really US companies.
They pay basically zero federal income tax
They’re bad corporate actors.
They pollute the air and oceans
They aren’t necessary.
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #97 on: Mar 24, 2020, 04:24 PM »
Coronavirus: How did Australia's Ruby Princess cruise debacle happen?

On Thursday, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with dozens of undiagnosed coronavirus cases onboard.  Almost 2,700 passengers - some coughing and spluttering - were allowed to leave the ship at Sydney Harbour, catching trains, buses and even overseas flights to get home...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51999845
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #98 on: Mar 25, 2020, 04:44 PM »
Not really encouraging...

https://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/293104/cdc-coronavirus-survived-17-days-on-diamond-princess-cabin-surfaces/

Viral particle RNA "was found up to 17 days after passengers disembarked the Diamond Princess, but experts don't know if they are viable or not". More info here:

https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html
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« Reply #99 on: Mar 25, 2020, 06:08 PM »
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Don’t bail out the cruise industry   
As with the airlines, are the CEOs taking any pay cuts, have they halted any payout to the shareholders ? 
If the answer is No. Then Government handouts should in the meantime not perhaps be forthcoming.

A look at BA /IAG and their massive profits and payouts. The Big Boss of IAG has already flouted company policy by having "activities" outwith the office with a member of staff .  With CEOs when the going is good they get all the perks, alas when the going is bad , they should be first to give up the perks. The guy from BA has given up a token sum, but only after pressure.

Look how much some of the US airlines make in extra revenue. Southwest for their Earlybird check in, which l use every time at $15/$20 a flight  allows the system to check you into a early boarding position. They gathered in 2017 $315 million  . They havent released last years figures.  Granted 2 bags fly free so there is no regular baggage fees.     
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #100 on: Mar 25, 2020, 09:42 PM »
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« Reply #101 on: Mar 26, 2020, 10:45 PM »
The Diamond Princess has been released from quarantine and will be refurbished so as to start service again, possibly, in mid-May :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/26/national/diamond-princess-yokohama/?

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« Reply #102 on: Mar 27, 2020, 05:52 PM »
And as for cruiseships locked down at anchor! Just checked a marine tracking site. A lot of ships at anchor off of Floridaand the bahamas, they are the green dots in the attached screen shots.

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #103 on: Mar 28, 2020, 10:42 AM »
Holland America's Zaandam surprisingly still sailing with unsurprising consequences

'Very scary': pleas for safe harbour from stranded cruise ship near Panama

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/very-scary-pleas-for-safe-harbour-from-stranded-cruise-ship-near-panama?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #104 on: Mar 28, 2020, 10:44 AM »
Hurtigruten's Roald Amundsen caught up in it, even though no cases proven on board.  Countries don't want cruise ships visiting, they're seen as spreaders by the public.  Everyone says that the world will be different after this, and it's hard to argue, but the cruise industry will surely be unrecognisable.

Coronavirus ban: more than 100 Australian doctors and dentists stuck on cruise ship off Chile

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/coronavirus-covid-19-australian-doctors-dentists-stuck-cruise-ship-coast-chile?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #105 on: Mar 28, 2020, 05:53 PM »
The Zaandam is not being allowed through the Panama Canal with any sick passengers aboard.  Four people aboard have died and they are aware of two others testing positive for Covid-19.  130 more aboard have flu like symptoms.  They are going to try an at sea transfer of all healthy passengers to Rotterdam.
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« Reply #106 on: Yesterday at 12:01 AM »
Zaandam has received permission to go through the Panama Canal.  She is currently disembarking healthy passengers, 50 per lifeboat, to Rotterdam. The ill passengers and the four deceased are staying aboard Zaandam. What a situation to be in.
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