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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #20 on: Feb 10, 2020, 05:47 AM »
It's not great news on the diamond Princess.... Surely it must still be spreading on board?

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #22 on: Feb 10, 2020, 01:33 PM »
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It's not great news on the diamond Princess.... Surely it must still be spreading on board

Personally think it may be spreading via the AC as reports have said that the virus can be transmitted via the air.
Calling out to former ships engineers here for some more info on how the AC system functions onboard, specifically how the return air is dealt with, from ships I worked on the AC return went through a vent in the cabin door to the alleyway.

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #23 on: Feb 10, 2020, 10:18 PM »
Boredom and isolation, but no great suffering for those on board :

https://japantoday.com/category/national/Oscars-movies-help-pass-the-time-on-cruise-ship-quarantined-in-Yokohama?

This could have happened in a far worse place. The passengers are getting good care and good food, and those who are found to be infected, are getting excellent hospital treatment.

Today, all the systems and structures inside the ship are being inspected by external experts, presumably with a view to checking inter alia whether the air-conditioning could be spreading the virus within the ship.

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #24 on: Feb 11, 2020, 03:53 PM »
Fortunately, Oasis of the Seas, which docked in Bayonne NJ on Saturday was scheduled to sail yesterday, as the four possible coronavirus sufferers' tests came back as regular flu. 
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 11, 2020, 08:46 PM »
Westerdam has still not found a place to land... although Thailand is willing to supply it with food and other stocks...

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #26 on: Feb 11, 2020, 09:30 PM »
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun about Queen Mary 2...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10942907/crissy-rock-stuck-ship-coronavirus/
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #27 on: Feb 11, 2020, 10:05 PM »
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun...

It's The Sun... do we really expect anything different?


On a more serious note, the latest details given on the BBC News tonight suggest the new virus may not be anywhere near as bad as the media have been making out; the mortality rate is being quoted as 1% and most people who have recovered from it are placing it between ordinary flu and a strong cold in terms of what it feels like.

To put that into context, the 1918 flu pandemic had a mortality rate of around 5%.

That doesn't mean it's not important to try to contain it; of course it is important.  What it does mean is that  we should be careful of the doom-mongers.
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #28 on: Feb 11, 2020, 10:18 PM »
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun about Queen Mary 2...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10942907/crissy-rock-stuck-ship-coronavirus/

Hysterical is the key word!  This looks like someone who wants to be in the news!

I am booked on QM2 around Australia and Cunard has given excellent advice in relation to passenger health.  The changes to the itinerary are so that the ship is not calling at Asian Ports, which would have implications for the ship and the passengers

The Coronavirus situation has impacted on cruises, in the area, no doubt about that. but I have been impressed on  Cunard 's response to protect their passengers. 
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #29 on: Feb 12, 2020, 01:33 PM »
God knows how they'll do it, but I think they need to shutdown the cruising industry until this thing is definitely under control.  I actually thought that when I started this topic.

Many Events are and will be cancelled due to their nature (large numbers of people traveling, then in close contact with each other).  The incubation period for this is so long it poses a terrible problem.

There's never been an incident like this, certainly not in the era of millions of people traveling on giant cruise ships together every day.
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« Reply #30 on: Feb 14, 2020, 09:06 PM »
Glad that Westerdam has meanwhile been allowed to land in Cambodia, with none of her passengers affected by the coronavirus. She was given a great welcome there by the Prime Minister!

The coronavirus of Diamond Princess has very sadly spread beyond the ship. Two taxi drivers who had driven some passengers before the ship was quarantined, have been infected and one has died. Some of the medical staff who have been testing the passengers on board the ship have also been infected. Just to think that apparently one ill passenger infected so many on board, who in turn infected others...

Some frail passengers who are not ill have meanwhile been allowed to leave the ship for a government facility on land, and the first batch of quarantined passengers should be able to disembark on Wednesday.

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #31 on: Feb 14, 2020, 09:30 PM »
Feel really sorry for the Diamond Princess crew, imagine being confined to a crew cabln! :)

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #32 on: Feb 15, 2020, 07:02 AM »
Getting the crew and passengers off the ship is another nightmare, also for the Japanese authorities :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/14/national/japan-clear-coronavirus-cruise-ship/

And it's not the usual St Valentine's Day for them either, as they try to make the best of it :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/14/national/valentines-diamond-princess-cruise-japan/

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #33 on: Feb 17, 2020, 02:10 PM »
It seems pretty clear now, that quarantining on a cruise ship doesn't work, for whatever reason.  In fact in this case it appears to have simply been a waste of time, as passengers now have to undergo quarantine again ashore. 
The long incubation time, now thought to be more than 14 days, makes matters very difficult - an entire cruise could take place, with an infections person amongst the thousands of passengers, and also when you add on that one of the most vulnerable groups is the elderly, its just not good all round.
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« Reply #34 on: Feb 17, 2020, 02:39 PM »
I am actually beginning to wonder about long-haul (and even short-haul) flights...

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« Reply #35 on: Feb 17, 2020, 04:23 PM »
My wife used to work for a marine company right next to the dock in Port Everglades. When they had the bad Norovirus outbreak on one of the HAL ships she watched them throwing mattresses and linens in dumpsters for several days, wonder if this will happen on the Diamond Princess??

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #36 on: Feb 17, 2020, 09:25 PM »
I am actually beginning to wonder about long-haul (and even short-haul) flights...

On most modern airliners, the air conditioning works in distinct "zones" rather than circulating the entire cabin precisely for the reason of preventing infectious contaminants from spreading freely.  However there will of course inevitably be some circulation along the length of the aircraft as people walk around, so I'm not convinced of how effecting the zoning would be in practice.
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #37 on: Feb 18, 2020, 11:46 AM »
From speaking to colleagues at work, a few of them were thinking of taking cruises this year, but have cancelled plans.  I would imagine this will be widespread, until its clearer what is going on.

So for the brave (and healthy) I'm sure there will be some bargains on offer soon...
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #39 on: Feb 18, 2020, 02:49 PM »
Worth watching before it's taken down...

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Japanese infection control specialist gets access to Diamond Princess, says infection prevention protocols not being followed, chaotic situation. Bureaucrats, rather than infection prevention professionals, were running everything  "violating all infection control principles"

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