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Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« on: Jan 30, 2020, 12:41 PM »
As I type this, 6000 people are locked down on board Costa Smeralda in Italy, due to their being sick passengers on board who had visited Wuhan.  They only boarded on the 25th.

Thinking it through, they really need to quarantine the whole ship for 2 weeks.  However if any passenger subsequently does show symptoms, that 2-week incubation starts again - another 2 weeks - and so on, so they'd better hope that confining those poor passengers to quarters works...  Also the ship had already visited a number of ports during the cruise...

I have fairly rapidly come to the conclusion that cruising isn't really possible at the current time, and I'm not the only one - Carnival shares are down 7% already.   
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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #1 on: Jan 30, 2020, 04:24 PM »
Scary situation.  Most likely, other ships will also be affected. 
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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #2 on: Jan 30, 2020, 09:50 PM »
I remember on one med cruise on QE2 there were a few passengers suffering from l guess the noro virus . One passenger was opposite me on 3 deck , his cabin had been cleaned and he had the view he had paid a lot of money for the cruise and wasnt going to be confined to his cabin for several days .
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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #4 on: Feb 04, 2020, 09:06 PM »
Another cruise ship affected : Diamond Princess this time, quarantined in Yokohama.

https://japantoday.com/category/national/Japan-begins-screening-3-700-cruise-ship-passengers-and-crew-in-Yokohama?

Yes indeed, this is not an easy time for cruise ships... not flights, I would imagine.

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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #5 on: Feb 05, 2020, 07:01 AM »
Another cruise ship affected : Diamond Princess this time, quarantined in Yokohama.

Not looking good. They're all confined to their cabins...  Cruise ships are a unique problem... Lots of people, altogether, travelling from place to place...  I'd be wondering if the air conditioning can spread it from cabin to cabin...

Coronavirus: cruise ship carrying 3,700 quarantined in Japan after 10 test positive

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/05/coronavirus-cruise-ship-carrying-3700-quarantined-in-japan-after-10-test-positive

https://twitter.com/PrincessCruises/status/1224847799885402112
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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #6 on: Feb 05, 2020, 08:53 AM »
The suspected passengers had the flu, and everyone has now disembarked.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/6000-passengers-stuck-on-cruise-ship-in-italy-over-coronavirus-fears

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/01/30/coronavirus-costa-cruise-ship-passengers-held-onboard-amid-tests/4618718002/

They are right to follow the proper protocols...

Oh to have been nearby on the jetty  to witness the Mayor and Harbour Master having their heated argument, arms everywhere!

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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 05, 2020, 01:13 PM »
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I'd be wondering if the air conditioning can spread it from cabin to cabin...
Good point there Rob, I remember from my time working on ships the incredible speed at which Colds and Tummy bugs would circulate. When starting a new contract it always seemed that I would get sick in the first week or two. Of course then we did not have the profusion of sanitary hand cleaning stations that I see everywhere... :)

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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #10 on: Feb 06, 2020, 06:46 PM »
10 more cases on the Diamond Princess, quarantined off the Japanese coast. And now the Westerdam, approaching Japan, seems to have possible cases on board too...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/06/national/science-health/japan-10-more-coronavirus-cases-quarantined-cruise-ship/

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Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #11 on: Feb 06, 2020, 07:03 PM »
QM2 to skip Hong Kong

https://thepointsguy.com/news/coronavirus-asia-cruises/

Speaking to passengers who'd disembarked QM2 in Dubai on that section of her current world cruise, then come to stay on QE2 last week. They said QM2 was heading to Singapore instead unless things increase in severity further.
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #13 on: Feb 07, 2020, 07:33 AM »
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200207_21/?fbclid=IwAR3pIKzPxS0M-LoQUYXDQx58Mzc7avL6vCo8sQpQ3jg2G51uECOa_uAt80s

41 more affected passengers taken off Diamond Princess. Are they beginning to infect each other?

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« Reply #14 on: Feb 07, 2020, 01:12 PM »
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41 more affected passengers taken off Diamond Princess. Are they beginning to infect each other?
Exactly what I've been thinking Isabelle, it's all very well confining pax to a ship but to stop a spread of infection they should be confined to cabins! Regarding my earlier comment, how far can the virus travel airborne via the AC?

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #15 on: Feb 07, 2020, 03:22 PM »
Quick update, just saw on the news a skype interview with 2 American passengers on the Princess ship.
Apparently they are confined to cabins. One concern expressed was that when the Japanese medical team tested their temperatures they were not using a fresh sterile tip for the thermometer, just wiping it with a cloth. Also said that the food and water situation was a little short....although plenty of alchohol is available...

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 07, 2020, 06:23 PM »
Here is some more info from a passenger onboard the Diamond Princess via the BBC....

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We are to monitor our temperatures on a regular basis, and if it's increased above normal we are to contact the medical services onboard of the ship."
■   "Passengers in the small inside cabins have no window, there is no daylight, and no fresh air... but the captain has announced those passengers will be allowed access to open deck for exercise and fresh air."
■   "If we are permitted out on open deck, we have to wear a mask when we're outside. We have to keep one metre apart from everyone else and are not allowed to congregate in groups."
■   "All of the luxury of having a steward come to make the bed and put a chocolate on the pillow - those days are gone. We have to take care of the cleanliness and hygiene of our own room."
■   "We're going through all the clothes we put into our dirty wash bag and we're just re-wearing them now. Our underwear we're washing by hand - we don't have anything other than hand soap."
■   "The first day in isolation, the supply of food wasn't good. Now it's superb.

Offline Bruce Nicholls

Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #17 on: Feb 08, 2020, 01:32 PM »
Every time they get a new case the 14 day quarantine starts again. They could be there fore quite some time on this basis.

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #18 on: Feb 09, 2020, 09:23 AM »
According to my sources on board, QM2 will now bypass Singapore, Vietnam, and Bali, and proceed directly on to Fremantle/Perth, Australia. The ship will anchor at Port Kelang/Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to refuel and take on supplies, but no passengers or crew may go ashore and re-board.

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« Reply #19 on: Feb 09, 2020, 11:20 AM »
According to my sources on board, QM2 will now bypass Singapore, Vietnam, and Bali, and proceed directly on to Fremantle/Perth, Australia. The ship will anchor at Port Kelang/Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to refuel and take on supplies, but no passengers or crew may go ashore and re-board.

Cunard has posted an advisory note stating that passengers due to board the QM2 in Singapore on 12/13 February 18/19 February will now have the option to board at Fremantle. What a nightmare for cruise companies and a lot of uncertainty for passengers.  The flight teams have had a difficult couple of weeks, having made changes to people's flight arrangements they are having to make further changes.  Awaiting details of itinerary changes.

Cunard Travel Health Advisories - 9 February 2020

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #20 on: Feb 10, 2020, 05:47 AM »
It's not great news on the diamond Princess.... Surely it must still be spreading on board?

https://twitter.com/japantimes/status/1226738956718542848
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #22 on: Feb 10, 2020, 01:33 PM »
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It's not great news on the diamond Princess.... Surely it must still be spreading on board

Personally think it may be spreading via the AC as reports have said that the virus can be transmitted via the air.
Calling out to former ships engineers here for some more info on how the AC system functions onboard, specifically how the return air is dealt with, from ships I worked on the AC return went through a vent in the cabin door to the alleyway.

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

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« Reply #23 on: Feb 10, 2020, 10:18 PM »
Boredom and isolation, but no great suffering for those on board :

https://japantoday.com/category/national/Oscars-movies-help-pass-the-time-on-cruise-ship-quarantined-in-Yokohama?

This could have happened in a far worse place. The passengers are getting good care and good food, and those who are found to be infected, are getting excellent hospital treatment.

Today, all the systems and structures inside the ship are being inspected by external experts, presumably with a view to checking inter alia whether the air-conditioning could be spreading the virus within the ship.

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #24 on: Feb 11, 2020, 03:53 PM »
Fortunately, Oasis of the Seas, which docked in Bayonne NJ on Saturday was scheduled to sail yesterday, as the four possible coronavirus sufferers' tests came back as regular flu. 
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 11, 2020, 08:46 PM »
Westerdam has still not found a place to land... although Thailand is willing to supply it with food and other stocks...

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #26 on: Feb 11, 2020, 09:30 PM »
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun about Queen Mary 2...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10942907/crissy-rock-stuck-ship-coronavirus/
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #27 on: Feb 11, 2020, 10:05 PM »
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun...

It's The Sun... do we really expect anything different?


On a more serious note, the latest details given on the BBC News tonight suggest the new virus may not be anywhere near as bad as the media have been making out; the mortality rate is being quoted as 1% and most people who have recovered from it are placing it between ordinary flu and a strong cold in terms of what it feels like.

To put that into context, the 1918 flu pandemic had a mortality rate of around 5%.

That doesn't mean it's not important to try to contain it; of course it is important.  What it does mean is that  we should be careful of the doom-mongers.
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« Reply #28 on: Feb 11, 2020, 10:18 PM »
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun about Queen Mary 2...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10942907/crissy-rock-stuck-ship-coronavirus/

Hysterical is the key word!  This looks like someone who wants to be in the news!

I am booked on QM2 around Australia and Cunard has given excellent advice in relation to passenger health.  The changes to the itinerary are so that the ship is not calling at Asian Ports, which would have implications for the ship and the passengers

The Coronavirus situation has impacted on cruises, in the area, no doubt about that. but I have been impressed on  Cunard 's response to protect their passengers. 
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #29 on: Feb 12, 2020, 01:33 PM »
God knows how they'll do it, but I think they need to shutdown the cruising industry until this thing is definitely under control.  I actually thought that when I started this topic.

Many Events are and will be cancelled due to their nature (large numbers of people traveling, then in close contact with each other).  The incubation period for this is so long it poses a terrible problem.

There's never been an incident like this, certainly not in the era of millions of people traveling on giant cruise ships together every day.
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« Reply #30 on: Feb 14, 2020, 09:06 PM »
Glad that Westerdam has meanwhile been allowed to land in Cambodia, with none of her passengers affected by the coronavirus. She was given a great welcome there by the Prime Minister!

The coronavirus of Diamond Princess has very sadly spread beyond the ship. Two taxi drivers who had driven some passengers before the ship was quarantined, have been infected and one has died. Some of the medical staff who have been testing the passengers on board the ship have also been infected. Just to think that apparently one ill passenger infected so many on board, who in turn infected others...

Some frail passengers who are not ill have meanwhile been allowed to leave the ship for a government facility on land, and the first batch of quarantined passengers should be able to disembark on Wednesday.

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« Reply #31 on: Feb 14, 2020, 09:30 PM »
Feel really sorry for the Diamond Princess crew, imagine being confined to a crew cabln! :)

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« Reply #32 on: Feb 15, 2020, 07:02 AM »
Getting the crew and passengers off the ship is another nightmare, also for the Japanese authorities :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/14/national/japan-clear-coronavirus-cruise-ship/

And it's not the usual St Valentine's Day for them either, as they try to make the best of it :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/14/national/valentines-diamond-princess-cruise-japan/

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #33 on: Feb 17, 2020, 02:10 PM »
It seems pretty clear now, that quarantining on a cruise ship doesn't work, for whatever reason.  In fact in this case it appears to have simply been a waste of time, as passengers now have to undergo quarantine again ashore. 
The long incubation time, now thought to be more than 14 days, makes matters very difficult - an entire cruise could take place, with an infections person amongst the thousands of passengers, and also when you add on that one of the most vulnerable groups is the elderly, its just not good all round.
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« Reply #34 on: Feb 17, 2020, 02:39 PM »
I am actually beginning to wonder about long-haul (and even short-haul) flights...

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« Reply #35 on: Feb 17, 2020, 04:23 PM »
My wife used to work for a marine company right next to the dock in Port Everglades. When they had the bad Norovirus outbreak on one of the HAL ships she watched them throwing mattresses and linens in dumpsters for several days, wonder if this will happen on the Diamond Princess??

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« Reply #36 on: Feb 17, 2020, 09:25 PM »
I am actually beginning to wonder about long-haul (and even short-haul) flights...

On most modern airliners, the air conditioning works in distinct "zones" rather than circulating the entire cabin precisely for the reason of preventing infectious contaminants from spreading freely.  However there will of course inevitably be some circulation along the length of the aircraft as people walk around, so I'm not convinced of how effecting the zoning would be in practice.
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #37 on: Feb 18, 2020, 11:46 AM »
From speaking to colleagues at work, a few of them were thinking of taking cruises this year, but have cancelled plans.  I would imagine this will be widespread, until its clearer what is going on.

So for the brave (and healthy) I'm sure there will be some bargains on offer soon...
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« Reply #39 on: Feb 18, 2020, 02:49 PM »
Worth watching before it's taken down...

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Japanese infection control specialist gets access to Diamond Princess, says infection prevention protocols not being followed, chaotic situation. Bureaucrats, rather than infection prevention professionals, were running everything  "violating all infection control principles"

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