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« Reply #220 on: Jul 20, 2020, 10:58 PM »
Cruise & Maritime Voyages Goes Into Administration
Jul 20, 2020

The British company South Quay Travel & Leisure Ltd. has filed for bankruptcy, this announcement affects the cruise operator Cruise & Maritime Voyages (CMV), a brand of South Quay Travel. All planned CMV cruises have been canceled. Visitors on CMV website can find the following message:

%u201CWe are sorry to inform you that South Quay Travel Limited (%u201CSQTL%u201D) %u2013 which traded under the name Cruise & Maritime Voyages %u2013 was placed into administration on 20 July 2020. Paul Williams, Phil Dakin and Edward Bines of Duff & Phelps Ltd. were appointed Joint Administrators of SQTL. At present the Administrators are evaluating SQTL%u2019s financial position.

The information below sets out specific advice for customers who booked in the UK. This advice varies depending on which holiday and travel arrangements you have booked and how you paid.

SQTL sold mainly cruise packages which are protected by ABTA.

They also sold a small number of flight-inclusive packages which are protected by the CAA%u2019s ATOL scheme.

Please be aware that all bookings that have not taken place are cancelled.%u201D

One month ago Cruise and Maritime Voyages was in emergency talks with potential lenders and investors after a potential loan deal collapsed to secure funding to see it through the coronavirus pandemic. Last week the company made a last-minute rescue financing talks, which didn%u2019t work out. As for now the future of the six ships in the fleet is unknown.
This notice was posted on Crew-Center.com

The thoughts here also relate to the advisory involving British passengers that was issued  by the Foreign Office .
Last week they ( the FO) advised that All British passengers should not go on cruise ships. This also meant that no person holding a British passport could be insured for travelling on cruise ships either. CMV carried a great number of British passengers and many departures from several British ports .
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #221 on: Jul 22, 2020, 11:32 AM »
While out for my walk last night, I listened to BBC Radio 4's flagship "PM" program.

Once they got finished talking about Russia.... they moved onto COVID-19, of course.  Not to panic anyone, but they were basically saying this is going to be with us all for the rest of our lives - even the youngsters amongst us.  The most optimistic expert said 36 months, but they thought that was unlikely.   Successful vaccines will help, but they won't be a magic solution that makes everything go back to normal.

The program is well worth listening to.

As this "thing" has evolved, we've all evolved with it, and learned to cope in our own ways, bit by bit, day by day.  But taken as a whole, this is really gigantically huge.

The cruise industry will NEVER be the same.  There will be HUGE changes.  And it is unclear when they can properly restart.  The only thing I can possibly see working, is a ship doing trips out of a single country, and not visiting any other country, unless perhaps there is an "sea-bridge" agreement in place, similar to they are doing with the "air bridges" for airplanes - although it remains to be seen if that is a sensible idea or not.

So here's my "hot take"

  • It won't just be small cruise lines that fail, big or even huge ones will too.
  • It won't just be small and older ships getting scrapped, modern ones will too.
  • New builds in process will have to be cancelled, even if underway.  Surely.
  • There is the potential for the entire cruise industry to just become not viable at all, except perhaps the ultra luxury small ships
  • Even if they get ships going again, many many people, myself included, will simply not want to be trapped in a steel air-conditioned box with thousands of other people.  I think for me I will probably not cruise again.
  • Speaking as a Brit, I think Brexit is an utter disaster, however I am trying to think of ways to make the best of it now.  And one way would be for us to turn our hand to ship recycling pronto...
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« Reply #222 on: Jul 22, 2020, 01:22 PM »
All I can say....with the virus, Carnival taking over, world security situation etc. etc..... I am glad I got out when I did!

This thing? will also affect tourism on land. I know from having 2 of my family working for " The Mouse" . My daughter is back at work in Disney World, at "Frozen" and it is a totally different experience. A lot of the shows are still not being put on because Equity and Disney cannot agree on safety items. I have been to DW since it reopened and it is just not the same!
Wife is still not back at work, but, she works at Disney Vacation Club, Disney's time share. When she does go back it will probably be from home.
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Re: Coronavirus : General discussion
« Reply #223 on: Jul 25, 2020, 01:09 PM »
‘We were the luckiest people in the world’: our month on the last lockdown cruise

On 1 March, photographer Jon Tonks left New Zealand on a Pacific cruise. Twenty eight days later, the boat docked in San Diego, amid a pandemic. What happened in between?

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/jul/25/luckiest-people-in-the-world-month-on-last-lockdown-cruise
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Aboard the Diamond Princess, a Case Study in Aerosol Transmission

A computer model of the cruise-ship outbreak found that the virus spread most readily in microscopic droplets light enough to linger in the air.

The New York Times: Aboard the Diamond Princess, a Case Study in Aerosol Transmission.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/diamond-princess-coronavirus-aerosol.html
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Mein Schiff 2 has gone back on a first cruise, three days out of Hamburg with no port calls. This is how life on board looks now. Tempted?


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Thanks Isabelle for posting.

Tempted? Gosh! No way, ever...

Who would spend (lots of) hard-earned money on something like that?

Sorry, cruise lines. Certainly not me.


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Regarding that video who wants to have to take their phone on a cruise??
My idea of cruising is to get away from everyday life, PHONE NO, I might take an iPad for reading though! ;D ;D

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Friends of mine have recently taken a couple of ferries from Italy back to their home in Crete (Greece). They said that, apart from the normal precautions such as masks and sanitisers, these ferries were operating much as usual, and there seemed to be no reduction in their schedule.

They are not ship lovers and use the ferries simply as a mode of transport, but these were their observations when I asked.

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Mein Schiff 2 has gone back on a first cruise, three days out of Hamburg with no port calls. This is how life on board looks now. Tempted?


Not at all tempted, but its an excellent and insightful video, lots to think about.  Some of the things they're now doing, they should always have been doing.

Can that ship make a profit at 60% capacity? Or is it just that its losing less money than if it was sitting idle.

I think Hurtigruten's disaster (see above) has set the whole cruise line restart back, however.
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It's now up to 62 on the Roald Amundsen, 41 crew, 21 passengers.

And that's presumably with increased precautions over normal operation...
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Crew members marooned on cruise ships in US waters has now dropped to 12 084, according  to the US Coastguard. (Was about 80 000 in April).
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/more-than-12000-crew-members-remain-on-cruise-ships-months-after-industry-halted-in-march/ar-BB17LeEV?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout

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BBC News - Coronavirus: How ghost cruise ships became a summer tourist attraction

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53720419
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BBC News - Coronavirus: How ghost cruise ships became a summer tourist attraction

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53720419

David Trevor-Jones mentioned to my local branch of the WSS (in this month's newsletter) that sightseeing trips are being operated out of Poole too along similar lines. It's a bonanza for some I suppose, but personally I find the current status of the cruise industry deeply concerning and sad to say the least, and wouldn't exactly enjoy this sort of "pleasure cruise" as a result. Seeing the ships falling into (cosmetic at least) disrepair up close and in person would also be depressing.
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I agree with you, Thomas. For a true ship lover, it would be a source of concern and sadness as well as fear for their ultimate fate.
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Some photos I took last week of Aurora, Arcadia, and Allure Of The Seas in Bournemouth Bay:
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BBC News - Coronavirus: How ghost cruise ships became a summer tourist attraction

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53720419

It must be great for people who have never had a chance to go on a cruise and may never even have considered one. They can have a look at the ships out at sea, wave to the stranded crew members and take good close-up photographs. As most people are taking their holidays close to home, this is a welcome excursion for them and a good way for some local boat owners to make a bit of an income.

Since the cruise ships are stranded anyway, it is good to see some people making the best of the situation.

 

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