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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #120 on: Apr 05, 2020, 11:42 PM »
At least 11 passengers from ship have now died, more than 30% of Australia’s total Covid-19 deaths

Criminal investigation launched into Ruby Princess cruise ship coronavirus disaster

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/criminal-investigation-launched-ruby-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-disaster?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #122 on: Apr 06, 2020, 09:33 AM »
The Motley Fool: Will Carnival, Royal Caribbean, and Norwegian Cruise Line All Survive?.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/05/will-carnival-royal-caribbean-and-norwegian-cruise.aspx

CNBC: Carnival's struggle to survive the coronavirus as outbreak wipes out the cruise industry.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/05/carnivals-struggle-to-survive-the-coronavirus-as-outbreak-wipes-out-the-cruise-industry.html
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #123 on: Apr 06, 2020, 09:44 AM »
My latest views on this whole thing.

1.  THey need to urgently rethink air-conditioning on cruise ships.  In fact it may become essential that these systems are re-engineered and proven to not spread viruses, before the ships can resume service.

2.  Things cannot resume until passengers can prove they are vaccinated, or have the antibody.  Certificates or whatever will be required.

3.  They need to offer huge discounts - really huge.  And they should start by targetting past customers.

4. No-one's going to be cruising for the rest of 2020 I'm sure.
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« Reply #124 on: Apr 06, 2020, 10:14 AM »
I agree with you, Rob.

I would also add that a lot of work needs to be done with ports, so as to satisfy them that any cruise ship berthing or anchoring there will not be importing the virus.

Cargo ships are continuing to work (very importantly at this time for us all). I wonder whether there is something that can be learnt from them? Or are they less of a threat simply because of the very small crew numbers on them -- far more manageable (but is that a convincing argument...?). Or maybe the crew have to stay on board?

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« Reply #125 on: Apr 06, 2020, 10:17 AM »

1.  THey need to urgently rethink air-conditioning on cruise ships.  In fact it may become essential that these systems are re-engineered and proven to not spread viruses, before the ships can resume service.


Whilst I totally agree - this will be the hardest part to achieve as Air Con systems are generally connected by ducting to centralised units. To achieve segregation each cabin would require its own aircon unit which I am not sure of how that could be achieved without massive expense which the cruise lines wont have the capital to hand to undertake.

Also - you need to achieve this in the public spaces of the vessel also I would think.

The same issue exists in hotels, offices, factories etc.

Point 2 has to be mandatory moving forward.


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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #126 on: Apr 06, 2020, 11:07 AM »
Quite a few hotels I have stayed in, particularly mid range hotels in  Paris, have individual air conditioning units for each room - so it can be done without it being obtrusive.  I believe these are done with a central piping system for the temperature, but the actual air is circulated from within the room itself - so it's more an air heating / cooling system.

To achieve this would simply required the existing centralised air ducts to be replaced by hot and cold water pipes - which should not be very difficult or even excessively expensive to do; they could even be run along what are currently the air ducts.
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« Reply #127 on: Apr 06, 2020, 01:03 PM »
My latest views on this whole thing.

1.  THey need to urgently rethink air-conditioning on cruise ships.  In fact it may become essential that these systems are re-engineered and proven to not spread viruses, before the ships can resume service.

2.  Things cannot resume until passengers can prove they are vaccinated, or have the antibody.  Certificates or whatever will be required.

3.  They need to offer huge discounts - really huge.  And they should start by targetting past customers.

4. No-one's going to be cruising for the rest of 2020 I'm sure.


Hi Rob

Aircon to separate cabins might be great as long as:
People, including  Crew / don't fly to join ships.
People sit 2m apart in Theatres and Dining Areas etc
People don't pass on the two-way Alleyways
People pass the Cunard Cough on as readly as they eat meals!
Vaccination / Precvention will take a long time - I don't think they are even on the earliest stages of trialling yet
Cure - Could take as long...
Travel Insurance could be prohibitive for the Oldies and "Infirmies"

This all is such a poignant reminder of working in the earliest stages of HIV -
when Australia and others refusing entry,
and testing for the Virus, NB - a negative result can only last for the date and time test is made -
and could be positive even later on same day.

Currently, gloom for the future seems realistic... :(





 
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #128 on: Apr 06, 2020, 05:24 PM »
QE2 makes an appearance in this Khaleej Times video. I don't think she contributed her voice though as it would've been very noticeable and would've put every other horn/whistle there to shame!

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #129 on: Apr 09, 2020, 07:48 AM »
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« Reply #130 on: Apr 09, 2020, 11:32 AM »
Thomas, thanks for posting the video, what a lovely thing to do having the boats sounding their horns every evening. 
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #131 on: Apr 09, 2020, 01:01 PM »
Was looking at the cruise ship tracking site today, Carnival Legend's destination says it all!

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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #132 on: Apr 12, 2020, 10:05 AM »
I read an article in the financial Times today about the ships laid up in Southampton and UK waters.
https://www.ft.com/content/7f603d42-f05f-431b-9187-a7b1b9f683c4

I now find that I cannot access it without subscribing, but anyone who has a subscription may be interesting in having a read. 

A note from the Editor states that FT is making key Coronavirus information free to read but not sure if it includes the article I have referred to but there is some interesting articles.

See free to read articles

Basically the Cruise Ship article mentions that UK Government Ministers are in discussion regarding repatriating around 4000 crew on five cruise ships. But as a high number of the crew are Indian Nationality, they cannot travel home because their country is restricting movement into and around the country. 

On the P&O ship Azura some crew have tested positive for Covid-19.  TUI Marella Celebration, anchored near Southampton statement said there are no Coronavirus cases onboard and they are working to repatriate the remaining crew onboard. 

Carnival stated that they are working to repatriate as many crew as possible, but with 60 nationalities onboard and travel restrictions in place there is a need to consider the health and wellbeing of crew members. 

Carnival and TUI made a statement  that they have moved crew from the cramped crew cabins into vacant passenger cabins to reduce the risk of the spread of infection. 

Queen Mary 2 is due to return to Southampton on 15 April with more crew to be repatriated. 
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #133 on: Apr 14, 2020, 07:43 PM »
The Guardian: Should passengers return to cruise ships after the pandemic? No.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/14/cruise-ships-coronavirus-passengers-future
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #135 on: Apr 15, 2020, 09:25 AM »
Welcome home QM2 and well done to Cunard and the ship's crew who have kept QM2 virus free for the whole World Cruise.   :)
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« Reply #136 on: Apr 15, 2020, 10:40 AM »
Welcome home QM2! Very unusual to see her at City Cruise Terminal, which would offer a wonderful close up view from the neighbouring Mayflower Park! What a treat to those using the park for their quarantine exercise!
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #137 on: Apr 15, 2020, 12:08 PM »
This is a very moving piece, that aligns a real story with the timeline we've lived out in this topic from January.

'Nobody wants us to dock': how coronavirus wrecked one couple's dream cruise

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/nobody-wants-us-to-dock-how-coronavirus-wrecked-one-couples-dream-cruise
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Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
« Reply #138 on: Apr 20, 2020, 09:47 AM »
Is the cruise industry finally out of its depth?

Accidents, pollution, exploitation… cruise firms were in murky waters even before Covid-19

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/apr/19/is-the-cruise-industry-finally-out-of-its-depth
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« Reply #139 on: Apr 20, 2020, 10:50 AM »
Interesting article worth reading, especially about other issues, such as pollution the cruising industry is responsible for and the working conditions for crew. 

However, it is not just the cruise industry that will be under threat, but the whole tourism industry.  We are already reading about remote areas having signs posted for tourists to stay away and not spread the virus. 

Seeing cities that are normally tourist hotspots now empty because of the current Covid-19 lockdown, gives us food for thought about the protests that have been made about the number of tourists visiting cities (throughout the world).  Locals complain that apartments are being purchased and rented out instead of being available for local to purchase. In Edinburgh, it is busy to saturation point, not just at festival time but for most of the year. 

We enjoy our cruises/holidays - it may take time for the tourism industry to recover and perhaps it is the time to reconsider what benefits cruising companies give to the places they visit, the conditions on cruise ships and the hygiene of passengers e.g. sneezing into your hand is not acceptable. 
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