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Saga Rose (ex Sagafjord, ex Gripsholm)
« on: Aug 05, 2009, 11:49 PM »
News of Saga's replacement for Saga Rose
 
http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnews.html

« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 05:45 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: Something about Saga!
« Reply #1 on: Aug 07, 2009, 07:05 AM »
She will look smart in the Saga colours, however it is sad to see the ex.Sagafjord leave - it was nice for her and ex. Vistafjord to be reunited at the end of their careers.

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Saga Rose
« Reply #2 on: Aug 17, 2009, 10:14 PM »
Are you reading this, Cunard?!

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4549595.Ship_to_become_floating_hotel_in_city/

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AFTER almost half a century sailing the oceans few ships are as closely emblematic of the glorious history of cruising as the Saga Rose.


I can think of one...

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her owners are considering exciting plans to keep her in the city which has long been her home .... and is keen to keep her as a hotel catering for up to 460 cruise guests and the general public.

Wonder if "our" ship's owners ever considered such a thing..

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If it goes ahead she would sit alongside the Ocean Liner Experience which entrepreneurs


You all know what I want to say next!!

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The idea has the enthusiastic backing of city business leaders and politicians..... "We would be absolutely delighted if the Saga Rose was to become a permanent fixture in Southampton..."

Would they have been so enthusiastic about keeping QE2?  Surely they would??

I'm not saying Saga Rose isn't nice.  She is, and I'm over the moon if they manage to save her, and I will go for a visit but...
« Last Edit: Dec 07, 2009, 04:04 PM by Rob Lightbody »
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Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #3 on: Aug 17, 2009, 11:19 PM »

Wonder if "our" ship's owners ever considered such a thing..


Well, I certainly know a couple of senior-ish people on board QE2 who did -- but were not asked. They suggested QE2 should have been berthed as a hotel in Southampton, under Cunard ownership, where she could have served as a hotel for those passengers arriving early to board their cruises next day, or wishing to spend an extra night in the area after disembarking.

Additionally (and I thought this a very interesting point!), they said that Cunard each year spends a small fortune putting up its own crews in the hotels of Southampton prior to their rejoining their ships -- having their own floating hotel in Southampton could have helped to ease those expenses and given the crew members a familiar place to stay!

Best of luck to Saga Rose -- I would be delighted to see her preserved in Southampton, and shall certainly make a point of visiting her very soon if it works out well for her... but... ... ...

And perhaps Saga Rose has benefited from the outcry surrounding QE2's sale to distant lands...

Offline Andy F

Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #4 on: Aug 18, 2009, 01:02 AM »
Just returned from Southampton and this made the front page of today's edition.
Start every day with a smile and get it over with

Offline Chris Frame

Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #5 on: Aug 18, 2009, 01:57 AM »
It's great news for Saga Rose to have a future in the UK - ironic however that she should be retired to the UK considering she was one of the last liners built for the Norwegian America Line while QE2, the very epitome of British shipbuilding was sold off.

It seems to me that we are fortunate that Nakheel saw value in QE2 and that she at least was sold to an organisation who have thus far proved to care for "our" ship... it appears more and more as if QE2 really never had a chance for retirement in the UK.

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #6 on: Aug 20, 2009, 02:47 PM »
With the passing of QE2 the two Saga ships, Saga Rose and Saga Ruby became the last quality classic liners serving the UK. Once Saga Rose is withdrawn, there will be only one, and all of us under 50 are prevented from sailing on it.

Therefore I am thrilled that Saga Rose is to become a hotel, as this will at lease give us a change to go aboard and look around a classic liner in the UK, even if stationary, better than nothing!

Slight shame I live near enough Southampton to not really need to stay in a hotel there though  ;)
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Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Something about Saga!
« Reply #7 on: Aug 20, 2009, 02:54 PM »
Maybe they can do something about the funnel? I do hope so.... ;D
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Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #8 on: Aug 20, 2009, 03:00 PM »
Don't know whether it's of any use to you, Andy...  :-\   ... but Saga do take passengers over 40, provided they are "chaperoned" by another passenger over 50. Sadly, for those under 40, the only advice I can give is hurry up !

As for needing a hotel in Southampton -- how about needing to travel on a ship that is not simply delivering you to your destination (i.e. taking a cruise)? See it as a wee holiday in its own right, with the added advantage that Southampton is within easy reach for you... which it is not for some of us...

And by the way, Saga Rose is a beautiful ship, as even my non shippy colleagues decided recently, when we came upon her quite unexpectedly in Dublin Port :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/sets/72157619524907437/detail/
« Last Edit: Aug 20, 2009, 03:05 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #9 on: Aug 20, 2009, 03:30 PM »
Oh don't worry Isabelle, I won't let need actually stop me going! Just easier to justify the expense if so  ;)

Saga Rose is indeed a very beautiful ship, eclipsed only by QE2 and maybe Saga Ruby, Ruby is slighty larger and has it bridge a deck higher, and a second row of large plate windows down the sides, sublt differences, but they do just give it the edge, IMHO!

Aaaages to go till 40, Ruby will be out of service by then, not complained bout the age thing thoo, i'd just liek to go on it now as I am, maybe i'll have to join the crew, or are they all over 40 too?

Nice photos, btw, thanks for the link!

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Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #10 on: Aug 21, 2009, 06:08 PM »
With the passing of QE2 the two Saga ships, Saga Rose and Saga Ruby became the last quality classic liners serving the UK. Once Saga Rose is withdrawn, there will be only one, and all of us under 50 are prevented from sailing on it.

The Saga age limit has always annoyed me - apart from not being able to go in some great ships isn't ageism illegal? Or does that only apply when discriminating against those over 50?  ???

Still, I'll be over 40 after January 2010 so if I can persuade an over-50 friend or relative they want to go on a Saga cruise...  ;)
« Last Edit: Aug 21, 2009, 07:03 PM by LegendOfTheSeas »

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Saga Ruby Bow Damage
« Reply #11 on: Oct 11, 2009, 08:28 PM »
We saw the Ruby in Manhattan yesterday and noticed some damage to the bow.  Does anyone here know how that happened and if the ship was going to be repaired before sailing back home?  I posted photos here:

http://qe2-prideoftheclyde.blogspot.com/2009/10/new-york-october-10-2009.html

The Ruby, ex Caronia, was a welcome sight and I could see QE2 moored here along with the Concorde.  She'd be right at home!  Check out the photo at the end of the posting.  

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Re: Saga Ruby Bow Damage
« Reply #12 on: Oct 11, 2009, 10:16 PM »
I enjoyed your write-up and the pictures, Ken!

As for Saga Ruby, this message was sent by Bob Allen to Liners' List yesterday :

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SAGA RUBY collided with Pier 88 this morning while docking.  Repairs will take place in Bayonne, NJ before she sails for England, most likely tomorrow or Monday.

We were at Pier 88 on QE2 last September and continued our voyage unscathed... but this is also where the Normandie burnt and sank... a historic place.
« Last Edit: Oct 11, 2009, 10:21 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

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Re: Something about Saga!
« Reply #13 on: Nov 19, 2009, 11:43 PM »
Saga Rose and Cork Harbour (Cobh) are both featured in the December edition of Ships Monthly!
as well as in Shipping - December issue
« Last Edit: Dec 10, 2009, 06:03 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #14 on: Dec 07, 2009, 04:04 PM »
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Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #15 on: Dec 07, 2009, 04:27 PM »
Sigh...

I would have loved to have seen Saga Rose, having only once managed to catch a glimpse of her from a distance. Sailing tonight for "the world" sounds very ominous indeed...

And another sigh...

If Southampton cannot manage to keep Saga Rose, then we can forget about it ever even considering space and services for QE2...

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #16 on: Dec 07, 2009, 04:32 PM »
She is on AIS Southampton at the moment, not moving, and her next destination is marked as "Gibraltan" :

SAGA ROSE Passenger 190m x 25m x 8.4m C6ZU GIBRALTAN ETA Dec12 23:30

http://www.ais-live.co.uk/aismap/AIS%20Maps/southampton.html

The departure date given in Maritime Matters is today, 7 December 2009. Would she really take 5 days to sail to Gibraltar? We are not yet much wiser.

Later edit : She is off. AIS shows her sailing past the QEII Terminal right now.

P.S. First time that I have looked with any interest at Southampton AIS since the day QE2 left Southampton...
« Last Edit: Dec 07, 2009, 05:28 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

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Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #17 on: Dec 07, 2009, 05:40 PM »
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'If Southampton cannot manage to keep Saga Rose, then we can forget about it ever even considering space and services for QE2...'
Isabelle - It is really sad, if it's true that one of the last real (ex) Cunarders is on her way to making the 'ultimate' sacrifice..
However - couldn't it be possibly part of a bigger plan - for a bigger ship?
Wishful thinking perhaps - but for Saga Rose to go, and making way for QE2 - mightn't this still be possible?

There was also the thought that Saga might have 'missed the boat' by not buying QE2; she would have enjoyed staying in Dover!
 
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #18 on: Dec 07, 2009, 05:50 PM »
Just like that and she's off to a port unknown.....this is ominous and an unfortunate ending. :'(  I do hope that this does open the prospects up for Southampton for QE2, if that is a way to spin the Rose's destruction.  We just need some good news here......
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Re: Saga Rose
« Reply #19 on: Dec 07, 2009, 06:08 PM »

I had the chance to board her back in 1993 when she was Sagafjord nice little ship, its a pity her days are counted.........

Louis

 

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