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Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #45 on: Oct 26, 2010, 08:03 AM »
'Shipping today and yesterday': November 2010

There's a detailed account of the 'The Q3 Project' by Ian Rae.

http://www.shippingtandy.com/


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Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #46 on: Apr 25, 2014, 03:05 PM »
Whilst browsing the web today, I found a picture on the following page showing one of the Q3 designs. What I thought was very interesting, were the two funnels. They look similar to the Rotterdam's, and one was at the front acting as a mast aswell, whilst the other was midships. Just something I found interesting. :)

http://crociereuk.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/cunards-uncrowned-queen-the-q3-project/
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Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #47 on: Apr 25, 2014, 06:58 PM »
Hi Adam -

Thanks for bringing this picture to our attention again. 

If QE2 had come out with this design, she would have looked similar to many other ships.

Fortunately, she did not, and hence, she is as "one of a kind" and "one of a kind" can be.  Her design is ageless and is the ultimate in grace and beauty.

June  :)
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Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #48 on: Apr 25, 2014, 07:07 PM »
Bob,

Your comments don't really tally with anything else I've read.  Q4 was really quite advanced - and a lot of Cunard regulars were upset that she was so different.

Stephen Payne, QM2's designer and lifelong QE2 fan, was absolutely clear last year when I heard him talk - QE2 always made money - lots of money.  Thats what he says.
........


Hi Rob,
No time to listen beyond 29' mins at the moment, but so far this seems to be very similar to the Lecture Dr SP gave on the crossing on board QM2 in 2012
The video belongs to the QM2 topic, however if in time I can find his comments directly relating to QE2, then they could also stay here, couldn't they?!
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Rosie

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« Reply #49 on: Dec 07, 2014, 06:21 AM »
I know how we talk about how building Q3 would have been a disaster, maybe not, even if she wasn't designed for cruising, maybe she would have been popular, enough that if she had been built, she maybe would have been modified later on, who knows what could have been, one questions about her design, from the renderings of her, she looked like a 13 deck ship like the QE2, am I right? have her blue prints ever been released or are they tucked away somewhere never to be seen again, I thought she looked beautiful from the renderings

Offline pete cain

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #50 on: Dec 07, 2014, 07:50 PM »
Alfredo, Welcome,     It's the old story,what might've been......... we'll never know, but 40 odd years down the line we are all witness to , well you know what I mean

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #51 on: Dec 07, 2014, 08:41 PM »
I have a full set of Q3 plans but they are huge (full size).

Plans dated 30 March 1961 detail the following:

Wheelhouse Top
Navigating Bridge
Sun Deck
Boat Deck
Verandah Deck
Promenade Deck
Upper Deck
Main Deck
Foyer Deck
A Deck
B Deck
C Deck
E Deck
F Deck
G Deck and Tank Top
Double Bottom

PUBLIC ROOMS

   Sun Deck (First and Tourist)

      Tourist Sun Deck Lounge
      Tourist Deck Space
      Dog Kennels
      First and Tourist Deck Space

   Boat Deck (First and Tourist)

      Tourist Deck Space and Promenades
      Tourist Lounge (with dome)
      First Deck Space and Promenades
      Verandah Grill (180 seats)

   Verandah Deck (First, Cabin and Tourist)

      Tourist Open Deck
      Tourist Cocktail Lounge
      Tourist Synagogue
      Tourist Shops (x 2)
      Tourist Barber Shop
      Tourist Beauty Parlour
      Tourist Club Room
      Tourist Promenades
      Tourist Nursery and Crèche
      Tourist Library
      Cabin and Tourist Lecture Room
      Tourist Teenage Club
      Cabin Cocktail Lounge
      First Balcony Theatre
      Cabin and Tourist Theatre Entrance
      Cabin Hall Lounge
      Cabin Library
      Cabin Teenage Club
      Cabin Lounge
      Cabin Promenades and Deck Space

   Promenade Deck (First, Cabin and Tourist)

      First Promenades and Deck Space
      First Nursery
      First Shops (x 5)
      First News Room
First Lounge (with dome)
First Lounge Bar
Cabin and Tourist Theatre
First Private Function Room
First Library
First Writing Room
First Smoking Room
First Cocktail Lounge / Nightclub

   Upper Deck (First, Cabin and Tourist)

      First Travel Bureau
      First Pursers Office
      First Barbers Shop
      First Beauty Parlour
      First Bank
      Cabin Shops (x 2)
Cabin Nursery and Crèche
Cabin Pursers Office
Cabin Travel Bureau
Cabin Bank
Cabin Barbers Shop
Cabin Beauty Parlour
Cabin Lido Lounge
Cabin Deck Space

   Main Deck (First, Cabin and Tourist)

      First (indoor) Swimming Pool
      First Gymnasium and Female and Male Changing Rooms
      Cabin (indoor) Swimming Pool
      Cabin Gymnasium and Changing Rooms
      Cabin Launderette
      Cabin Deck Space

Foyer Deck (First, Cabin and Tourist)

   Tourist Entrance
   Tourist Pursers Office
   Tourist Travel Bureau
   Tourist Bank
   First Class Entrance
   First Dining Room Entrance
   First Health Facilities
   Cabin Entrance


A Deck (First, Cabin and Tourist)

   First Restaurant

B Deck (Cabin and Tourist)

   Tourist Entrance
   Tourist Restaurant

C Deck (Cabin and Tourist)

   Hospital
   Cabin Restaurant

D Deck

E Deck (Tourist)

   Tourist Gymnasium
   Tourist Swimming Pool
   Tourist Launderette

Public Room Notes

•   No windows in Restaurants. Each Restaurant was placed in the centre of the ship with either passenger cabins (First and Tourist) along each side or passenger cabins and crew areas (Cabin) along the sides. This was subsequently rectified as the layout for Q3 was amended during the following months. The restaurants were – for the first time – placed high in the ship; this became a major ‘first’ in the QE2 design.

•   The First Restaurant had an entrance on the deck above (Foyer) with a grand horseshow style staircase leading down into the room.

•   There was a spiral staircase on the port side forward connecting the Tourist Lounge on Boat Deck with the Tourist Club Room on Verandah Deck below.

•   No outdoor Swimming Pool – but then neither did either of the Queens until Queen Elizabeth was refitted in 1965 when she was given an extensive lido.

•   Cabin and Tourist Restaurants would share a galley with the galley being located aft of the Tourist Restaurant and above the Cabin Restaurant – escalators between the two being provided.

PASSENGER ACCOMMODATION

   First Class      750 passengers   393 cabins
   Cabin Class      644 passengers   333 cabins
   Tourist Class      904 passengers   421 cabins

2298 passengers in 1147 cabins

652 outside cabins (around 56%)
495 inside cabins (around 43%)

158 single cabins (158 passengers)
249 cabins with upper and lower berths (498 passengers)
611 two-bedded cabins (1222 passengers)
71 two bedded with Pullman berth cabins (213 passengers)
58 two bedded with ‘ex’ cabins (207 passengers)

First Class
      
DECK   OUTSIDE CABINS   INSIDE CABINS   TOTAL
Upper   99   14   113
Main   105   13   118
Foyer   72   7   79
A   64   19   83
   340   53   393

•   Deluxe Suite and Semi-Suite Rooms on Upper Deck.

•   Suite Rooms on Main Deck.

•   First Class breakdown:

85 single cabins (85 passengers)
1 cabin with upper and lower berth (2 passengers)
258 two bedded cabins (516 passengers)
24 two bedded with Pullman berth cabins (72 passengers)
25 two bedded with ‘ex’ cabins (75 passengers)

Cabin Class
      
DECK   OUTSIDE CABINS   INSIDE CABINS   TOTAL
Main   19   18   37
Foyer   25   44   69
A   26   43   69
B   91   34   125
C   21   12   33
   182   151   333

•   Cabin Class breakdown:

50 single cabins (50 passengers)
57 cabins with upper and lower berth (114 passengers)
205 two bedded cabins (410 passengers)
14 two bedded with Pullman berth cabins (42 passengers)
7 two bedded with ‘ex’ cabins (28 passengers)

Tourist Class
      
DECK   OUTSIDE CABINS   INSIDE CABINS   TOTAL
Upper   14   52   66
Main   20   78   98
Foyer   27   63   90
A   16   25   41
B   38   50   88
C   15   23   38
   130   291   421

•   Tourist cabins on C Deck without private toilet and shower.

•   Tourist Class breakdown:

23 single cabins (23 passengers)
191 cabins with upper and lower berth (382 passengers)
148 two bedded cabins (296 passengers)
33 two bedded with Pullman berth cabins (99 passengers)
26 two bedded with ‘ex’ cabins (104 passengers)

Cabin Notes

•   81 cabins (175 passengers) were interchangeable between First and Cabin on Upper, Main, Foyer and A Decks.

•   103 cabins (205 passengers) were interchangeable between Cabin and Tourist on B and C Decks.

CREW

1298 crew

      Deck Dept      111
      Engine      191
      Pursers      66
      Medical      13
                Catering      917

Crew Notes

•   Captain’s and Staff Captain’s cabins located directly below the Wheelhouse on Sun Deck.

•   Officer’s Lounge forward on Sun Deck.

•   Officer’s and Engineering Officer’s cabins located in blocks forward on Boat, Verandah and Promenade Decks.

•   Crew cabins on Foyer, A, B, C and D Decks.

•   Crew facilities on Foyer, A, B, C and D Decks.

Misc. Notes

•   Car Transporter facilities onto A Deck forward with cars stowed on E Deck forward.

TOTAL BERTHS (Passenger and Crew): 3596 (excluding cots)



Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #52 on: Dec 07, 2014, 09:01 PM »
Thank you so much for all these details, Michael!

Extraordinary that the ship was developed so far, and then let go... all those plans must have been quite an investment.

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Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #53 on: Dec 08, 2014, 06:08 AM »
do we know anything about her power plant, boilers,power, so on?  were QE2's powerplant similar to Q3

Offline Greg Rudd

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #54 on: Aug 03, 2016, 06:35 AM »
More to the point I think that the inspiration for the QE2's power plant came from the Canberra and the Oriana. The Canberra got by with 3 Foster-Wheeler ESD-1 boilers abit scaled down While the Oriana had 2 Parmenda turbines whether they were significantly beefed up from those used in the Oriana I will defer to the experts.

Offline Trevor Harris

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #55 on: Oct 08, 2017, 03:32 AM »
I found this in Carol Thatchers book "QE2: 40 years famous"

How very similar yet so very different this looks compared to QE2.
« Last Edit: Jun 26, 2021, 02:12 AM by Trevor Casey »
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Offline Brandon Sterkel

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #56 on: Oct 08, 2017, 07:49 AM »
Found this..
Saw a picture of this vessel a couple years ago. When I first saw it, the one thing that caught my attention the most was the funnel.
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Online Bob C.

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #57 on: Oct 08, 2017, 09:42 AM »
Found this..

Where did you find it?

Offline Trevor Harris

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #58 on: Oct 08, 2017, 03:02 PM »
Where did you find it?
QE2: 40 years famous, by Carol Thatcher.

This actually looks really looks like QE2!
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Offline Trevor Harris

Re: QE2's 1961 False Start - 'Q3'
« Reply #59 on: Nov 29, 2017, 07:37 PM »
Found this..
While inspecting further I noticed that it looks like there was some inspiration taken from Canberra’s bow, such as the bow badge.
« Last Edit: Jun 26, 2021, 02:11 AM by Trevor Casey »
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