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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #60 on: Feb 09, 2018, 01:59 PM »
What a load of total rubbish.

In what sense?
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« Reply #61 on: Feb 09, 2018, 02:18 PM »
In what sense?
In the sense of what was 'Sensationalised'?

It was facts and not sensational headlines that were included in the programme.

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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #62 on: Feb 09, 2018, 02:43 PM »
In the sense of what was 'Sensationalised'?

It was facts and not sensational headlines that were included in the programme.

The extent of the pilfering (I’m not denying it happened however), the story of the middle of that particular carpet being cut out that other members of this forum have said was unlikely for example. A documentary like this relishes “sensational” information such as this - much like a lot of the media. What’s more it depends on the source of said information and whether that source was/is biased or not (which I suspect was/is given the yard’s and Cunard’s working relationship at the time). I stated in my original post on the matter that it could serve to increase interest in the ship and encourage people to learn more and (perhaps) separate fact from myth. However this is my opinion and we all differ!
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« Reply #63 on: Feb 09, 2018, 10:22 PM »
I know of several pasengers from the UK  on QE2 who always called it Coo nard , all are or were very regular travellers.     


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  Pilfering is a common problem worldwide in and around dockyards, i can't remember the number of times we found items 'walking' off the ship, mysteriously hiding in a dockie's tool bag or, cunningly concealed in rubbish bags etc.   

What about the passengers, need we say any more than the Farewell Transatlantic crossings on QE2...and who lets face it hasnt removed a cup or something that perhaps should have stayed on the ship..
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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #64 on: Feb 09, 2018, 11:06 PM »
The extent of the pilfering (I’m not denying it happened however), the story of the middle of that particular carpet being cut out that other members of this forum have said was unlikely for example. A documentary like this relishes “sensational” information such as this - much like a lot of the media. What’s more it depends on the source of said information and whether that source was/is biased or not (which I suspect was/is given the yard’s and Cunard’s working relationship at the time). I stated in my original post on the matter that it could serve to increase interest in the ship and encourage people to learn more and (perhaps) separate fact from myth. However this is my opinion and we all differ!

If you don't mind i think that i'd prefer to believe Eric Flounders & Lynn Waring with their versions of events as opposed to your 'assumption', they are speaking from many years of experience and knowledge, which could be sadly lacking in your case.

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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #65 on: Feb 09, 2018, 11:14 PM »
If you don't mind i think that i'd prefer to believe Eric Flounders & Lynn Waring with their versions of events as opposed to your 'assumption', they are speaking from many years of experience and knowledge, which could be sadly lacking in your case.

They're not. They weren't there in the late 60s in Clydebank either.  Cunard's staff knew nothing of what went on.
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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #66 on: Feb 11, 2018, 05:33 PM »
The first episode didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I don't think the second episode titled "Cruise ship, warship" will be any different, with probably no detailed info on Dubai.       
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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #67 on: Feb 12, 2018, 01:44 PM »
Episode 2 features Professor David Humphreys (one of our conference speakers ) and colleagues who had sailed to the Falklands with QE2. I believe there will be previously unseen footage aboard the QE2 from when she was sailing to the South Atlantic,  with the three crew speaking about their experience.   Should be interesting.   Forum member George Griffiths will also be featured in tomorrow's programme. 
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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #68 on: Feb 13, 2018, 08:38 PM »
I'm not watching the programme just now, but I can tell whats being shown by what people are looking at on the "who's online" !
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« Reply #69 on: Feb 13, 2018, 09:17 PM »
There was hardly any footage of the conference.
The film crew were there for the two days and took lots of footage but nothing was shown. In fact I don't think they even mentioned the conference
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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #70 on: Feb 13, 2018, 09:38 PM »
There was hardly any footage of the conference.
The film crew were there for the two days and took lots of footage but nothing was shown. In fact I don't think they even mentioned the conference

No mention of the conference, no footage that I saw, and no credit either even though they met many of the people in the programme at the conference.

It was a very, very badly edited programme - it bounced about all over the place with some repetition too. I feel dizzy!
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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #71 on: Feb 13, 2018, 09:41 PM »
How disappointing.

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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #72 on: Feb 13, 2018, 09:42 PM »
Very disappointing indeed !
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« Reply #73 on: Feb 13, 2018, 10:04 PM »
I thought there was some good film footage and I liked the section on the ship sailing to the Falklands with David Humphreys.

Disappointed that there was no footage, or reference to the QE2 conference celebrating 50 years since the launch, especially as Channel 5 got a lot of contacts to interview from the QE2 Story Event.  Did anyone notice if the QE2 Story was mentioned in the credits?

Also disappointing that at the end of the programme the commentator said there was no plans for the ship to open (or words to that affect).  The current position of what was happening to the ship should have been researched and the plans for Hotel QE2 opening in the Spring should have been reported.   

The Clydebank Post picked up on last week's programme with a heading "Storm over Channel 5 show's pilfering claims". The Editor had contacted me last week following the programme for a comment and I had stated what I had posted on this topic.  The local MP had also commented that it was disappointing that the programme had chosen to focus on unfounded pilfering claims. 
http://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/15991244.Storm_over_Channel_5_show___s_QE2_pilfering_claims/

On this week's programme the shipyard responsible for the disastrous refit at the time of the 1994 refit was not given the same harsh comments as the statements made about John Brown's shipyard.

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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #74 on: Feb 13, 2018, 10:05 PM »
Looks like the narrator had been corrected regarding correct pronunciation of Q-nard in episode 2. However, the classic this week was the clip of Lord Matthews, Victor Matthews chairman, whose caption was 'Victor Blank' an editor had presumably put in 'blank' in anticipation of correcting it later! How very amateur. - Phil Blank, sorry, Willum.

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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #75 on: Feb 13, 2018, 10:25 PM »
Have just finished watching. I found the several glaring inaccuracies annoying (for example saying QM2 is faster). As I said the other day, I think the documentary is good for making more people interested in QE2 or re-igniting their interest (hopefully) so that they then learn true facts and more about her elsewhere such as on this forum. A very "tip of the iceberg" program.
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« Reply #76 on: Feb 13, 2018, 11:28 PM »
I spotted the "Victor Blank" blunder; what some younger members might not realise though is there actually is a businessman of that name - except he ran a bank, not a shipping line.

As to the conference - I agree, it is a huge disappointment that the entire footage has ended up in the digital equivalent of the cutting room floor.  There was an opportunity there for Channel 5 to show that the QE2 remains very popular even in her retirement - that would have served to underline the thrust of the documentary about her importance to the public as a whole.

Certainly the subtitles never mentioned the website or forum.

Editing jumping about all over the place... agreed; not good.  Would be justifiable if they were talking about each aspect from start to finish in turn, but not in the random way they did it.  The whole thing, while full of excellent archive footage, did give the impression of having been edited in a hurry with little attempt to "proofread" it; had they done so that error about QM2's speed would have been spotted and corrected.

Watchable?  Yes.  But as a headmaster would say: "Could do better!"
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Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
« Reply #77 on: Feb 13, 2018, 11:35 PM »
Our "hits" from people investigating the program were less than half of what they were for the first part of the programme last week.

I think that's feedback from the general public about what they thought of the program... I'd expected to get roughly the same again this week.
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« Reply #78 on: Feb 13, 2018, 11:47 PM »
Half as many visitors, but 650 is still a lot more than usual - however wouldn't many of the viewers tonight have seen part one last week and visited the site from that, so tonight's 650 may be extra people on top?

The page view statistics look around the same number as last week?

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« Reply #79 on: Feb 14, 2018, 12:44 AM »
While I did not see it, I find it annoying that they don't get basic details right. Considering that those who were at the QE2 50 Conf. and were interviewed, you would expect footage from the Conference. Such shame.