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Offline Oceanic

Negative Opinions of QM2.
« on: Dec 06, 2017, 11:13 PM »
I thought this would be an interesting topic to discuss; It seems while QM2 has a great deal of avid followers, myself included, many still seem to observe QM2 with a great deal of distain.

So I ask you, what about the ship itself do you dislike? Or, if you are a fan of her, which of her many features do you admire and enjoy.


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Offline Trevor Casey

Re: Negative (And Positive) Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #1 on: Dec 06, 2017, 11:38 PM »
I don't have many negative opinions on QM2. However one of them is that I feel like her superstructure is too high, which makes her funnel so squatty.
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Offline Thomas Hypher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #2 on: Dec 07, 2017, 08:34 AM »
Having travelled on both QE2 and QM2 almost the same number of times, I have two dislikes. QM2 is too big, we have met fellow passengers early on in our trips to never see them again, whereas QE2 was just the right size and one would often meet fellow passengers from earlier in the trip several times more. Also, QM2 is much more obviously commercial (Canyon Ranch, extra surcharge dining options - however she has more dining options). It should be pointed out QE2's Lido had themed nights (such as Indian with the relevant chefs) whereas in QM2's equivalent the King's Court these themed nights are extra surcharge dining options (albeit slightly more upmarket). I like QM2 but QE2 will never be replaced or matched due to her uniqueness. Having said that QM2 is unique in her own way too. Finally QM2 isn't quite as happy a ship (crew cuts, larger ship etc.).

Having said the above I still love QM2 partly as she is the only Ocean Liner left in active service doing what she's designed for. Also she is very imposing and magnificent (including her funnel when onboard), the largest Ocean Liner ever built.

Thomas
« Last Edit: Dec 07, 2017, 08:37 AM by Thomas Hypher »
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Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #3 on: Dec 07, 2017, 09:01 AM »
If QE2 had remained in service there probably would have been charges introduced for the themed evenings in The Lido.

Offline Thomas Hypher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #4 on: Dec 07, 2017, 09:05 AM »
If QE2 had remained in service there probably would have been charges introduced for the themed evenings in The Lido.

Most likely with Cunard's (Carnival UK's) direction in recent years. However the themed evenings on QM2 have always been extra surcharge I think (they were in 2008).
First travelled on QE2 in August 2003 aged 6 years old. Last stepped foot and travelled on QE2 in July 2008.

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #5 on: Dec 07, 2017, 10:34 AM »
There was not a charge for for Lido dining when QM2 came out. Just as there was not a charge for Todd English when she came out - the charge was introduced when a physical fight broke out among passengers queuing to get a reservation!! As soon as the charge was introduced demand collapsed rather than slow demand. Which is why Cunard Club passengers got free lunches etc.

Offline Thomas Hypher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #6 on: Dec 07, 2017, 10:42 AM »
There was not a charge for for Lido dining when QM2 came out. Just as there was not a charge for Todd English when she came out - the charge was introduced when a physical fight broke out among passengers queuing to get a reservation!! As soon as the charge was introduced demand collapsed rather than slow demand. Which is why Cunard Club passengers got free lunches etc.

Wow, that's quite shocking to be honest! Do World Club members (of a certain tier of course) still get some or one free of surcharge meal/s?
First travelled on QE2 in August 2003 aged 6 years old. Last stepped foot and travelled on QE2 in July 2008.

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #7 on: Dec 07, 2017, 10:44 AM »
I think Diamond and Platinum get a free lunch. Its a wheeze to fill the place at lunchtime as lunch sales dire compared to poor dinner sales.

Offline Thomas Hypher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #8 on: Dec 07, 2017, 10:46 AM »
I think Diamond and Platinum get a free lunch. Its a wheeze to fill the place at lunchtime as lunch sales dire compared to poor dinner sales.

That's a tiny bit of incentive for me then lol.
First travelled on QE2 in August 2003 aged 6 years old. Last stepped foot and travelled on QE2 in July 2008.

Offline Pete Hamill

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #9 on: Dec 07, 2017, 12:38 PM »
To answer the original question, QM2 has some unusual features with the location of some of the restaurant and rooms - I mentioned these in a reply to Michael's post regarding supplementary charge restaurants.

When we knew our time on QE2 was coming to an end, we were glad when QV came along because we felt QM2 was too big (mainly in terms of passenger capacity putting us off).
However, having travelled on QM2, it becomes apparent that the passenger capacity is in proportion to her ability to accommodate them and she is not cramped or over-populated.
Her larger dimensions mean her main corridors are much wider than expected and this gives her more of a spacious land-locked hotel feel.
Her Chart Room bar is a fantastic space akin to a country house hotel.
The Planetarium is also a neat feature (if all of the seats worked properly) and I have experienced some great films in there.

QM2 is a nice ship - not my favourite and not a patch on you-know-who!

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #10 on: Dec 07, 2017, 12:41 PM »
QM2 has an incredible passenger space ratio in the mid 50's which is on a par with Seabourn, Seven Seas, Silverseas etc and unlike any ship of her size. Her standard cabins are, again, a great 191 square feet. She could easily accommodate 1,000 more passengers just as the smaller Ventura and Azura do.

Offline Clydebuilt1971

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #11 on: Dec 07, 2017, 01:40 PM »
I have a high opinion of QM2 - I quite like the feeling of space on her which gives you the choice of mingling or (if you feel so inclined) you can get away from it for a while in your own space.

I find her design interesting - especially with all the little design features based on previous ocean liners.

Her sea keeping is first class although her stabiliser reactions in certain seas make her movement feel "awkward" and she can shift along when required too - maybe not to the speeds QE2 attained but for something that size its impressive.

We have not sailed since 2012 and we felt that since we first sailed (Soton - NY 2006) the standards of service were coming down and she was sailing WAY too slowly (around 16knts) which was quite uncomfortable at times and made both myself and Shelagh feel quite sick at times. As soon as they took her above 18/20knts everything was fine. I am presuming that due to her design intent the hull form will perform better at higher speeds.

QE2 and QM2 are obviously have one big thing in common - they were / are specifically designed to be "Ocean Liners that do Cruising too" but they were conceived in very very different times indeed so direct comparison on a lot of points is not possible or indeed fair.

These days if you want to remain with Cunard and like the more cosy homely feel then QV is your ship! Shes not an ocean liner but I got a nice vibe when we were on her in 2010. A happy ship.

Back to the point - not everyone will like her but I personally am very glad someone had the guts to build her.

Gav


Offline Thomas Hypher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #12 on: Dec 07, 2017, 01:56 PM »
I have a high opinion of QM2 - I quite like the feeling of space on her which gives you the choice of mingling or (if you feel so inclined) you can get away from it for a while in your own space.

I find her design interesting - especially with all the little design features based on previous ocean liners.

Her sea keeping is first class although her stabiliser reactions in certain seas make her movement feel "awkward" and she can shift along when required too - maybe not to the speeds QE2 attained but for something that size its impressive.

We have not sailed since 2012 and we felt that since we first sailed (Soton - NY 2006) the standards of service were coming down and she was sailing WAY too slowly (around 16knts) which was quite uncomfortable at times and made both myself and Shelagh feel quite sick at times. As soon as they took her above 18/20knts everything was fine. I am presuming that due to her design intent the hull form will perform better at higher speeds.

QE2 and QM2 are obviously have one big thing in common - they were / are specifically designed to be "Ocean Liners that do Cruising too" but they were conceived in very very different times indeed so direct comparison on a lot of points is not possible or indeed fair.

These days if you want to remain with Cunard and like the more cosy homely feel then QV is your ship! Shes not an ocean liner but I got a nice vibe when we were on her in 2010. A happy ship.

Back to the point - not everyone will like her but I personally am very glad someone had the guts to build her.

Gav

I mostly agree with you Gavin (or do you prefer Gav?) except I have not travelled on QV and am not overly keen to do so along with QE for a few reasons including the obvious one!

I gave my negatives on QM2 but they are certainly not deal breakers for me unless standards of service (quality of the Cunard product) have fallen off a cliff since I was last onboard in August 2014 (when them dropping was very noticeable to me and my Dad too and we are not sticklers etc. that some people out there are). I suppose I will find out over the next couple of years when I hope to travel on her again as a passenger (if not a Deck Officer or Cadet onboard by that time as is my dream). In my opinion QM2's positives still very much outweigh the negatives I pointed out as part of my opinion except in regards to standards of service which is probably the case across the fleet anyway.
First travelled on QE2 in August 2003 aged 6 years old. Last stepped foot and travelled on QE2 in July 2008.

Offline Oceanic

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #13 on: Dec 07, 2017, 05:27 PM »
I have a high opinion of QM2 - I quite like the feeling of space on her which gives you the choice of mingling or (if you feel so inclined) you can get away from it for a while in your own space.

I find her design interesting - especially with all the little design features based on previous ocean liners.

Her sea keeping is first class although her stabiliser reactions in certain seas make her movement feel "awkward" and she can shift along when required too - maybe not to the speeds QE2 attained but for something that size its impressive.

We have not sailed since 2012 and we felt that since we first sailed (Soton - NY 2006) the standards of service were coming down and she was sailing WAY too slowly (around 16knts) which was quite uncomfortable at times and made both myself and Shelagh feel quite sick at times. As soon as they took her above 18/20knts everything was fine. I am presuming that due to her design intent the hull form will perform better at higher speeds.

QE2 and QM2 are obviously have one big thing in common - they were / are specifically designed to be "Ocean Liners that do Cruising too" but they were conceived in very very different times indeed so direct comparison on a lot of points is not possible or indeed fair.

These days if you want to remain with Cunard and like the more cosy homely feel then QV is your ship! Shes not an ocean liner but I got a nice vibe when we were on her in 2010. A happy ship.

Back to the point - not everyone will like her but I personally am very glad someone had the guts to build her.

Gav
This just about sums up my opinion of QM2 perfectly, as far as modern ships are concerned she is the best you can, and will ever, get. Considering just how much effort and cost went into her planning and construction we, unless something major changes, will never see the likes of her again; I've been on board both QM in Long Beach and QM2 during her Atlantic crossings, you get the impression that they are cut from the same cloth. As for QV she is by far my favorite of the two Vista Sisters, as you said a very happy ship!   
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Offline cunardqueen

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #14 on: Dec 07, 2017, 05:58 PM »
Iv never sailed on QM2, but have done a couple of preview tours and the Princes Trust lunch. My own thoughts shes to big and l have neither the wish nor desire to sail on her. l did think the lunch portions seemed on the small side compared to QE2. i did however like the Queens Room.     
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Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #15 on: Dec 07, 2017, 06:14 PM »
I was lucky enough to do 20 odd crossings on QM2 and have to see in her early years I used to be very impressed the way she'd handle any weather - sat in the Commodore Club and you'd think the ship was still berthed at Southampton while outside was a Force 12. But in later years I'd go back to the days on QE2 when her movement would actually make me feel ill in certain weather as QM2 wasn't sailing the speeds she should so she would wallow.

Gone are the days of the exciting dash and adventure to New York. Nowadays you're sat in the Chart Room thinking you could walk quicker to New York!

Offline Thomas Hypher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #16 on: Dec 07, 2017, 06:47 PM »
Iv never sailed on QM2, but have done a couple of preview tours and the Princes Trust lunch. My own thoughts shes to big and l have neither the wish nor desire to sail on her. l did think the lunch portions seemed on the small side compared to QE2. i did however like the Queens Room.   

Portion sizes seem to have got smaller over the years from memory, probably thanks to the bean counters. I do know that the number of different menus has been reduced (even on QM2) and the variety of food on each of those menus is less among a few other things that have changed and not for the better since 2008 (also on QM2).
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Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #17 on: Dec 10, 2017, 11:51 AM »
To answer the original question, QM2 has some unusual features with the location of some of the restaurant and rooms - I mentioned these in a reply to Michael's post regarding supplementary charge restaurants.

When we knew our time on QE2 was coming to an end, we were glad when QV came along because we felt QM2 was too big (mainly in terms of passenger capacity putting us off).
However, having travelled on QM2, it becomes apparent that the passenger capacity is in proportion to her ability to accommodate them and she is not cramped or over-populated.
Her larger dimensions mean her main corridors are much wider than expected and this gives her more of a spacious land-locked hotel feel.
Her Chart Room bar is a fantastic space akin to a country house hotel.
The Planetarium is also a neat feature (if all of the seats worked properly) and I have experienced some great films in there.

QM2 is a nice ship - not my favourite and not a patch on you-know-who!

I love QM2 - and agree with your comments above.  She is very big indeed, and the things I dislike about her are - she's downright ugly from some angles.  For a huge amount of your time on board YOU CAN'T SEE THE SEA!  On QE2 as you wandered around the public rooms, the Sea view was almost always there somewhere.  And balconies.  Yes we all love them.  But because QE2 didn't have them, everyone went up on deck and met each other - that's why so many people here made friends on board her.  To me QM2 is much more like a luxury hotel at sea, whereas QE2 was actually a ship first and foremost.
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Offline Oceanic

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #18 on: Dec 10, 2017, 12:10 PM »
I love QM2 - and agree with your comments above.  She is very big indeed, and the things I dislike about her are - she's downright ugly from some angles.  For a huge amount of your time on board YOU CAN'T SEE THE SEA!  On QE2 as you wandered around the public rooms, the Sea view was almost always there somewhere.  And balconies.  Yes we all love them.  But because QE2 didn't have them, everyone went up on deck and met each other - that's why so many people here made friends on board her.  To me QM2 is much more like a luxury hotel at sea, whereas QE2 was actually a ship first and foremost.
I can agree to this, with the way QM2 is layed out you have a hard time running into the same people twice; I highly doubt I would have met my Wife had we been on QM2 at the time, despite the extra space she boasts over QE2 she can make you feel isolated at times.
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Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #19 on: Dec 10, 2017, 04:35 PM »
To me she's a fantastic ship, I love her interiors and cabins - especially since the 2016 refit.

I personally appreciate her large size. She's never crowded even when fully-booked thanks to her high passenger/space ratio.

Having sailed through hurricane Sandy on her in 2012 I was amazed by her incredible power and excellent sea-keeping qualities. I wouldn't have wanted to be on any other ship at the time.

On the negative side, I noticed some changes since I first sailed on her maiden transatlantic in 2004.

One of these is the quality of service in certain areas. Last August, I have to admit we didn't enjoy the service at the Britannia at all.

Despite the food being excellent, our tandem of waiters was exceptionally unfriendly, unsimiling and even rough (when they were there!) and the waiting time between dishes was extremely long.

Additionally, most waiters and their above hierarchy only had eyes for some sort of loud Russian king or whatever Nabab was dining nearby at a single table beside the string quartet. Despite being dressed in holy jeans on formal evenings, the guy was monopolising the restaurant personnel with constant special requests which surprisingly he was always successful in obtaining quickly.

We finally deserted the Britannia and preferred the remastered King's Court and Verandah for the rest of our cruise.
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Offline pete cain

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #20 on: Dec 10, 2017, 08:28 PM »
We have booked 2 weeks on her in Feb/Mar next year round New Zealand, as I get older my bulk shrinks  & have invested in a new dinner suit
 I would hate it if some jerk like that was taking the **** out of me trying to keep up the heritage, never ever had anything like that when I was visiting QE2, then again times were obviously different, money talks but some money talks louder methinks.
 Come to think of it we did once come across a loudmouth on Sea Princess  (on our table), never went with them again (yes I know they are the same company)Cunard are supposed to be that 'bit above' though :-X :-X

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Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #21 on: Dec 11, 2017, 03:10 AM »
From everything that I have heard about the QM2, I don't hate her, but I don't love her either.
When the day comes when I see her in person in a port, I most likely would be happy to see her. But it wouldn't be the same reaction as to when I see the QE2 in person someday!

For me, I will have to wait until I take a voyage on her to see how she performs.
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Offline Thomas Hypher

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #22 on: Dec 11, 2017, 11:44 AM »
From everything that I have heard about the QM2, I don't hate her, but I don't love her either.
When the day comes when I see her in person in a port, I most likely would be happy to see her. But it wouldn't be the same reaction as to when I see the QE2 in person someday!

For me, I will have to wait until I take a voyage on her to see how she performs.

QM2 is very imposing and impressive, even over QE2 (due to being twice the volume roughly).
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Offline Andy Holloway

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #23 on: Dec 11, 2017, 01:02 PM »
We have booked 2 weeks on her in Feb/Mar next year round New Zealand, as I get older my bulk shrinks  & have invested in a new dinner suit
 I would hate it if some jerk like that was taking the **** out of me trying to keep up the heritage, never ever had anything like that when I was visiting QE2, then again times were obviously different, money talks but some money talks louder methinks.
 Come to think of it we did once come across a loudmouth on Sea Princess  (on our table), never went with them again (yes I know they are the same company)Cunard are supposed to be that 'bit above' though :-X :-X

A very loose connection through Carnival, but at opposite ends of the 'class' scale. If i remember rightly, Sea Princess is one of the permanent 'Aussie' based ships, so only one 'loudmouth' would have been excellent!

I spent 3 years working for P&O Australia so am perfectly qualified to comment on Aussie passengers, some very nice but some........well!

Offline pete cain

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #24 on: Dec 11, 2017, 02:14 PM »
   Andy,     Unfortunately at the time she was Southampton based doing Med runs, the loudmouth  was Essex type, hey ho,   on our return on Bay of Biscay, there were numerous  arty farty types on board doing some cheap redecorating, because once back in S'oton,  she was going to be rededicated into the P&O fleet by Joanna Lumley apparently, good excuse to be getting off in my opinion  ;D

Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #25 on: Dec 12, 2017, 12:34 AM »
My negative views on the QM2 relate more to her interior design, than her hull form or engineering which is solid and conservative. (Hey, I would have liked to have seen her built by H&W but that was too much of a project risk let alone more costly).

As we know, as built, the QE2 was up to the second and far as 1960's interior design and maritime engineering was concerned (did the designers of the Pametrada turbines and Foster Wheeler boilers of the QE2 fully understand how far they were pushing things). She made every ship since 1950 old fashioned, bar the Canberra/Oriana.

Carnival had the chance with the QM2 to make her a statement in early 21st century design by hiring the best UK interior designers and making something really special. But, instead played safe by commissioning Tilberg to execute a 1930's Art Deco revival interior.  I understand why Carnival went the way they did, as most passengers are after that "grand 1930's experience" and under that criteria, the QM2 delivers by the truck load.

In many ways she's a "boring" ship. But that's me as a bit of a ship geek talking.

 
« Last Edit: Dec 12, 2017, 01:53 AM by Greg Rudd »

Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Negative Opinions of QM2.
« Reply #26 on: Dec 12, 2017, 12:41 AM »
A very loose connection through Carnival, but at opposite ends of the 'class' scale. If i remember rightly, Sea Princess is one of the permanent 'Aussie' based ships, so only one 'loudmouth' would have been excellent!

I spent 3 years working for P&O Australia so am perfectly qualified to comment on Aussie passengers, some very nice but some........well!

I will call it out for you as an Aussie. You mean: "Load mouthed Bogans" ;-) lol

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« Last Edit: Dec 12, 2017, 02:41 AM by Greg Rudd »