Author Topic: Transatlantic Pipe Break Incident (21-22 May 2002 engine room flooding)  (Read 7102 times)

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One has to remember, QE2 as all ships, are divided up into watertight compartments. When originally built I believe the ship was designed to still float with 3 compartments flooded. After re-engining it would probably have been similar. So they could have lost an engine room and the power but would still float.

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One has to remember, QE2 as all ships, are divided up into watertight compartments. When originally built I believe the ship was designed to still float with 3 compartments flooded. After re-engining it would probably have been similar. So they could have lost an engine room and the power but would still float.

Thanks Rod. Obviously testing a watertight compartment isn't possible, so how confident are you that had it been required, would it have held and been completely watertight?
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With all the independent, technical inspections that QE2 underwent during her years post re-engining, both in UK and around the World, although mainly the UK's MCA with the formidable Mr Alan Fairley as Senior Inspector , you can be perfectly confident that, if she was designed to operate with 3 watertight compartments flooded, then she definitely would have done 'what it says on the tin'!

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Thanks Rod. Obviously testing a watertight compartment isn't possible, so how confident are you that had it been required, would it have held and been completely watertight?

Come on Rob. It was built on the Clyde!!!
But seriously, I would be about 95% confident. You never know for example, if 1 compartment was full of water, what extra stresses and strains would be put on other unfound weak pipes.
But what strikes me about the report is that the pipe was found to be "bad" before the break and nothing was done?

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Just read the report, fantastic job from the Engineering staff!
BUT!!!! what is the current condition of all those 'thru hull' fittings?????
Bearing in mind the ship being converted to a hotel the sensible approach would
be to drydock her and weld covers over these, however I don't think this was done.
Could she spring a leak and sink at her berth?????

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Then you have the 5 deck aquarium rooms!

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Just read the report, fantastic job from the Engineering staff!
BUT!!!! what is the current condition of all those 'thru hull' fittings?????
Bearing in mind the ship being converted to a hotel the sensible approach would
be to drydock her and weld covers over these, however I don't think this was done.
Could she spring a leak and sink at her berth?????

Both the times she's been dry docked in Dubai, they were still planning on sailing her under power again, therefore they must not have been removed and covered them up. I'd imagine they'll need to attend to that at her next dry docking.
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Both the times she's been dry docked in Dubai, they were still planning on sailing her under power again, therefore they must not have been removed and covered them up. I'd imagine they'll need to attend to that at her next dry docking.
Aren't you supposed to have lifeboats before sailing or..?   :o
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The plans to sail her again were way before the lifeboats and davits were removed.  And I believe she was still on warm lay up at that time. 
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Both the times she's been dry docked in Dubai, they were still planning on sailing her under power again, therefore they must not have been removed and covered them up. I'd imagine they'll need to attend to that at her next dry docking

That's what I thought Rob, she was being prepared for possible sailing, hope they don't botch up the 'waterproofing' and ballasting the way it was done with the old Queen Mary, the surveyors reports on her are getting scary!!!!!

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I am not positive about this......but I do not think lifeboats are required for sailing. With no passengers. Life rafts would probably do, depending on the amount of crew. You would need one on each side with a radio, but a portable radio might do.

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I am not positive about this......but I do not think lifeboats are required for sailing. With no passengers. Life rafts would probably do, depending on the amount of crew. You would need one on each side with a radio, but a portable radio might do.

I suspect that it'll depend on what the 'port state' [country of registration] have to say and, being Vanuatu anything could be possible!!

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I am not positive about this......but I do not think lifeboats are required for sailing. With no passengers. Life rafts would probably do, depending on the amount of crew. You would need one on each side with a radio, but a portable radio might do.

Oh! I had no clue. Did American star have lifeboats when being towed or no?
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Oh! I had no clue. Did American star have lifeboats when being towed or no?

American Star (SS United States' running mate but not sister ship as often stated when SS America - since she was much older and smaller and slower) had all her davits and lifeboats/tenders removed some time before her final voyage since (if I recall correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong!) she was sold for scrap before being bought to become a static hotel.
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SS American Star was one of the first shipwrecks I learnt about due to a 1999 year issue (can't remember the month) of Sea Lines (the magazine of the Ocean Liner Society) I remember reading around 1999. Coincidentally this issue or another from 1999 also reported the sinking of the SS Sun Vista (the old Italian ocean liner SS Galileo Galilei) due to an engine room switchboard fire, somewhere in the Straits of Malacca. I'll have to dig this issue out and photo the front cover (with copyright permission of course!) when I'm next home since it shows the wreck SS American Star around 1999 (she was wrecked in 1994).

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... reported the sinking of the SS Sun Vista (the old Italian ocean liner SS Galileo Galilei) due to an engine room switchboard fire ... Thomas
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I caught up with an ex-shipmate of mine about 2 months ago in UK: an ex-QE2 F&B Officer from the early 70's. He left Cunard in 1977 to take both the Galileo and the Raffaello from La Spezia to Bushehr. to serve as floating barracks for the Imperial Iranian Navy. He then managed these up until the fall of the Shah. The stories he can tell of his overland escape from Iran at that time would make your hair curl.

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The Merch is a small world.

I caught up with an ex-shipmate of mine about 2 months ago in UK: an ex-QE2 F&B Officer from the early 70's. He left Cunard in 1977 to take both the Galileo and the Raffaello from La Spezia to Bushehr. to serve as floating barracks for the Imperial Iranian Navy. He then managed these up until the fall of the Shah. The stories he can tell of his overland escape from Iran at that time would make your hair curl.

Sorry to be pedantic and correct you here, but the Galileo and Raffaello were not sister ships. Michelangelo and Raffaello were sister ships and were sold together to the Shah. Galileo Galilei and Guglielmo Marconi were sister ships who went on to have very different lives as cruise ships with very different cruise lines. However, both pairs of ships were completed at around the same time and were withdrawn from their original liner services at around the same time.

Would you be in a position to share your friend and ex-shipmates stories of his escape (in another topic perhaps in the chat area of the forum)? They would make interesting reading!

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It does not appear that Boris called them sister ships. 
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Highlander's initial post with the report investigating the break in the pipe makes interesting reading and as mentioned before as it had not been for the ingenious action taken by engineers the safety of QE2 was in question. 

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources/qe2.pdf

Hi Lynda - It does indeed!
Thanks to Ken for posting.
Just wishing that we could find the results of the  final Lloyds' Survey as well as a good copy of QE2's Deck Plans.
Please, did anyone by any chance make copies of both, or either document?
Sorry - this post is also somewhat off topic!
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