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Offline Twynkle

Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #15 on: Aug 15, 2017, 10:39 AM »
Interesting, thanks.  I've given this much thought (without having your engineering understanding).  I feel its important that QE2 Hotel is as self-contained as possible - for example her own air-conditioning plant on board.  My reason for saying this is that it would remove the requirement for adjacent buildings to keep her services going - Rotterdam has this, and I think its the only slightly disappointing aspect of her conversion.  With all her own equipment on board, she will be more alive - the hum of machinery and fans etc.  From a conservation point of view, retaining her awesome electric motors and as many of the engines as possible seems essential, but if they had to remove a few to make room for the above mentioned new equipment, that would be OK with me too.  What do you think?  She needs to LOOK like she could set sail, even if she can't - and QE2's power and speed were the essence of her, and need to be able to be explored on board.

I agree Rob, and guess very many others would too - any changes to the appearance of QE2 would be a misrepresentation of  the ship and her history. 
To facilitate life 'on the shelf'  and given the climate and conditions QE2 remains in, without a huge power plant, mightn't these affect any of her interiors considerably?
Won't effective air-conditioning will remain a constantly and essential high priority?
As a ship, her external doors were open, shut and occasionally 'in-between' (the Yacht Club and Lido come to mind!!)
Skilly, it would be interesting to know what you think about a ship-first, then hotel being managed in such conditions - and with regard to power and other services.
Will it be necessarily much different to managing her 'ventilation' (and paintwork) as a desert-side hotel?

I wonder how many visitors request to view Rotterdam V's engines now?
Mightn't this be slightly different if QE2, like the Royal Yacht, HMY Britannia, was allowed to show off her engines as an integral part of the tour of the ship - it's very sad to think of so much possibly being Off-Limits...
To her owners, it might be of interest to visit HMY in Leith!
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Offline Bob van Leeuwen

Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #16 on: Aug 30, 2017, 08:27 PM »
Interesting, thanks.  I've given this much thought (without having your engineering understanding).  I feel its important that QE2 Hotel is as self-contained as possible - for example her own air-conditioning plant on board.  My reason for saying this is that it would remove the requirement for adjacent buildings to keep her services going - Rotterdam has this, and I think its the only slightly disappointing aspect of her conversion.  With all her own equipment on board, she will be more alive - the hum of machinery and fans etc.  From a conservation point of view, retaining her awesome electric motors and as many of the engines as possible seems essential, but if they had to remove a few to make room for the above mentioned new equipment, that would be OK with me too.  What do you think?  She needs to LOOK like she could set sail, even if she can't - and QE2's power and speed were the essence of her, and need to be able to be explored on board.


The reason I thing that the decision was made to move it all from the ship to the shore since we don't have terrible hot summers here, so they aren't needed all the times, unless they also provide heating during the winter.
But the biggest reason probably it why you would want them on the ship, they want to promote here are a 4 or 5 start hotel, which with a humming AC system running on board would probably not help for the average guest, since they want the myth that is probably created with the Titanic movie, just the beauty of it, not the humming, hissing and heat of the engines working down below.


I also saw somebody mentioning covering the engine room with plexiglass to make it open for public, the only reason I could see this needing to be done if asbestos is any part of the engine room, which could be a very big probability that is there.
In the Rotterdams case, it wasn't there when the ship was first opened (I'm talking about the boiler room here). Part of the engine room where shielded because removing asbestos would require the equipment to be removed almost completely (this is I believe what happened to the refrigeration rooms, which was just a blank space until it was reused and reopened a couple of weeks ago with something I don't really approve, QM springs to mind).
People would steal items from the boiler room, and this was releasing asbestos, this was possible due to the fact that everywhere else catwalks are placed to far from the equipment. At that point the engine room tours weren't even guided, you could just walk straight in. This is when the put up the plexiglass, enclosed more of it with aluminium, and opened it only with tours, sadly but totally understandable.

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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #17 on: Sep 01, 2017, 12:24 AM »
I also saw somebody mentioning covering the engine room with plexiglass to make it open for public, the only reason I could see this needing to be done if asbestos is any part of the engine room, which could be a very big probability that is there.

If I'm right in saying, all asbestos was removed from the machinery spaces during the 1986/7 reengining and major refit. However, the rest of the ship still contains a lot of asbestos such as in the cabin areas - something the Dubai workers are probably dealing with as we speak depending on Dubai laws on asbestos.

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Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #18 on: Sep 08, 2017, 09:34 AM »
Thomas

You are right about the asbestos. Regular (daily I think) checks were made to check if any fibres were in the air and I know the Theatre was an area of concern and was often checked.

Michael

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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #19 on: Sep 08, 2017, 10:06 AM »
Thomas

You are right about the asbestos. Regular (daily I think) checks were made to check if any fibres were in the air and I know the Theatre was an area of concern and was often checked.

Michael

Funnily on the subject of asbestos testing at the QE2 crew reunion a couple of weeks ago i was talking to the asbestos testing man. Yes, QE2 had a full time asbestos testing and supervision man onboard. He was a sub contractor from a specialist asbestos company whose job was to carry out daily checks in certain areas and oversee the removal of, and any work concerning, any area where asbestos was present.

He now work for a social housing organisation 'tup north' doing the same type of job.

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #20 on: Sep 08, 2017, 11:07 AM »
Hello Andy

Hope you're well.

Thanks for confirming the presence of such a person. I was chatting to someone the other day and said there was such a person but their reaction made me doubt myself but now I know there was such a person performing such a role.

Michael

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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #21 on: Sep 08, 2017, 11:44 PM »
Hello Andy

Hope you're well.

Thanks for confirming the presence of such a person. I was chatting to someone the other day and said there was such a person but their reaction made me doubt myself but now I know there was such a person performing such a role.

Michael

I'd even mention his name but i don't think it appropriate on an open website without his permission.

Speak to me in Glasgow and i'll tell you!!

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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #22 on: Sep 10, 2017, 12:40 PM »
Just been looking through Rob's 2011 QE2 visit photos on Flickr (for the first time, surprisingly!) they somewhat brought a tear to my eye in the sense that she was still the QE2 we all knew (without the crew of course), how much will be new or drastically changed when they're finished working on her? I would love to walk her public room decks as I remembered them (2003 to 2008) to relive happy memories of past times but know that's unlikely to ever happen  :'( . Heck will the bridge be left intact? Who knows...
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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #23 on: Sep 10, 2017, 12:46 PM »
Just been looking through Rob's 2011 QE2 visit photos on Flickr (for the first time, surprisingly!) they somewhat brought a tear to my eye in the sense that she was still the QE2 we all knew (without the crew of course), how much will be new or drastically changed when they're finished working on her? I would love to walk her public room decks as I remembered them (2003 to 2008) to relive happy memories of past times but know that's unlikely to ever happen  :'( . Heck will the bridge be left intact? Who knows...

The bridge will stay as in apart for some stuff (non equipment) that has been removed

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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #24 on: Sep 10, 2017, 12:48 PM »
That's great news! Her history and existence as a ship should be preserved as much as possible. I may yet visit her bridge again. Do you know if the bits behind the bridge (mainly the staircase up to it, lined with all the plaques and framed photos) will also be preserved?
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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #25 on: Sep 10, 2017, 01:03 PM »
For that matter, Davina, can you say whether the engine rooms will be preserved at all?
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Re: Chatting about QE2's Hotel Conversion, August 2017
« Reply #26 on: Sep 10, 2017, 06:01 PM »
The bridge will stay as in apart for some stuff (non equipment) that has been removed
That is reassuring news to hear, Louis!
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