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Offline Greg Rudd

Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« on: Aug 07, 2017, 06:52 AM »
Hi all

This might seem a silly question but what would be the procedure to bring the ship up from completely dead cold.

I take it the process would have been:
Start up the 2x emergency generators from battery power.
Wait for them to get up to operating temp.
Sync their electrical output.
Start the AUX generator
Wait for them to get up to operating temp.
Sync electrical output.
Start switching key on components on the 11kv sub board.
Start the air compressors.
Build up air.
Get cooling water/lubricating/(LFO/road diesel) oil circulating.
Start "preping" the boiler for heating the HFO and other services relying on exhaust heat extraction
Start 1st prime mover on air, fueling with LFO/Road Diesel.
Wait for prime mover to come up to operating temperature.
Start up the bilge pumps etc
Start all appropriate controls on the Bridge.
Wait for HFO to come up to appropriate temp.
Start feeding in HFO into the fuel system.
For the 1 in N engines follow the same process for starting Prime Mover 1.
Start bringing Hotel Services eg air conditioning etc "on line" .

I take it that such a procedure could take anywhere up to 12 hours to complete if the bunkers were full. However being fuelled with fresh bunkers it could speed up the process as the fuel is already warm.

Am I close, or am I well wide of the mark and speaking as what we know in Australia as bit of a "know all, know nothing".     



Offline Rod

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #1 on: Aug 07, 2017, 12:37 PM »
Cant help you there Greg. I just know it was a damn site quicker than starting the steam plant.

Online Pete Hamill

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #2 on: Aug 07, 2017, 04:53 PM »
Gregg, That looks fairly good. My only comments would be that at the point of circulating the cooling water and heating the HFO, I think it would actually be hot water that would be circulated through the main engine(s) to warm them before actually starting them.
There will also be some steps in there to sync the main generator outputs as they are brought in to the main electrical distribution system.

But it certainly isn't like waiting the few seconds for the glow plug light to go out and turn the key!!!

Offline ThomasPixel

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #3 on: Aug 07, 2017, 06:17 PM »
Skilly will be able to confirm this in detail  ;)
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Offline CasinoChris

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #4 on: Aug 08, 2017, 12:18 AM »
Are you lot planning to steal her?????.....Right ON!!!!!

Offline Trevor Casey

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #5 on: Aug 08, 2017, 12:24 AM »
Are you lot planning to steal her?????.....Right ON!!!!!

Shh!   ::)
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Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #6 on: Aug 08, 2017, 12:50 AM »
Gregg, That looks fairly good. My only comments would be that at the point of circulating the cooling water and heating the HFO, I think it would actually be hot water that would be circulated through the main engine(s) to warm them before actually starting them.
There will also be some steps in there to sync the main generator outputs as they are brought in to the main electrical distribution system.

But it certainly isn't like waiting the few seconds for the glow plug light to go out and turn the key!!!

The question is where do you get the hot water from. Does the cooling system have heating elements in the header tanks to help warm up.  I take it to keep things safe and stable you would want to have two prime movers on-line before you really brought all the hotel services "on line" with 5 needed to start turning the screws.
« Last Edit: Aug 08, 2017, 01:05 AM by Greg Rudd »

Online Pete Hamill

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #7 on: Aug 08, 2017, 02:35 PM »
I would say that the boiler that produces the steam for the HFO would also provide the hot water for warming the main engines - probably run from the light fuel oil/ diesel supply.

I'm afraid the detail specific to QE2's arrangements would need to come from one of our engineering staff, but I remember reading an article on B&W engines and their starting and running procedures said they were warmed through first and never started cold.

Offline Bob van Leeuwen

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #8 on: Aug 08, 2017, 08:56 PM »
During normal service, how much would it accure that they needed to start everything up from cold to normal operations?

Online Pete Hamill

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #9 on: Aug 09, 2017, 09:47 AM »
Bob, they wouldn't! There would always be at least 1 main engine running. Everything that needed to be running to keep the HFO tanks and system heated would be. Power would always be available from the main engine/ generator(s) that were running.
The ship would always be alive.

I'm not sure what the procedure would have been during dry docking/ major refit. Again, we would need our colleagues in the know to answer that one. Perhaps enough kept alive and running to make a re-start straight forward?

I think Greg is asking what it would take from the cold shutdown state she is in just now - which of course, will be much worse than it would be if the professional engineers that looked after the ship in service had done the shutdown correctly and carefully.

I remember a previous thread that mentioned that after (the also professional) V Ships folks "left", she possibly had some engines started, run and shutdown on HFO which is an absolute no-no as the fuel once it cools will go solid in the tanks, pipework, pumps and injectors rendering them useless without some serious dismantling and cleaning which would be horrendously expensive.
« Last Edit: Aug 09, 2017, 09:49 AM by Pete Hamill »

Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #10 on: Aug 09, 2017, 12:21 PM »
Bob, they wouldn't! There would always be at least 1 main engine running. Everything that needed to be running to keep the HFO tanks and system heated would be. Power would always be available from the main engine/ generator(s) that were running.
The ship would always be alive.

I'm not sure what the procedure would have been during dry docking/ major refit. Again, we would need our colleagues in the know to answer that one. Perhaps enough kept alive and running to make a re-start straight forward?

I think Greg is asking what it would take from the cold shutdown state she is in just now - which of course, will be much worse than it would be if the professional engineers that looked after the ship in service had done the shutdown correctly and carefully.

I remember a previous thread that mentioned that after (the also professional) V Ships folks "left", she possibly had some engines started, run and shutdown on HFO which is an absolute no-no as the fuel once it cools will go solid in the tanks, pipework, pumps and injectors rendering them useless without some serious dismantling and cleaning which would be horrendously expensive.
From cold lay up, which she is in now you wouldn't dare start anything without a major dry dock and survey work. The question is how many engines were stuffed or is that talk just rumor as later revisions of that engine were able to be started on HFO (but why would you) or was it a case of the Oceanic crew being kept in the dark and thought they were going back into warm lay up post refit only to find they were going to go cold and no funds to get a load of LFO/road diesel. I think we have only got half the story on the Oceanic days.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #11 on: Aug 09, 2017, 12:30 PM »
Hi!

There are lots of interesting posts here too!

Thanks for this, Skilly.

Interesting that oil can act as a coolant in hot metal places!
.....
About QE2's current state!
As a matter of interest - how long do you think the time lapse is, before engines would 'seize up' - that is, if they aren't turned over at regular intervals - and to prevent this, how short do those intervals need to be, and for how long will each one need to be kept running?

Do the props also need to be spun regularly to prevent damage to them? If so, can this be done when she's stationary?

As you (well) know - I haven't a clue about cold engines - even less about hot ones!
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« Last Edit: Aug 09, 2017, 12:36 PM by Twynkle »
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #12 on: Aug 09, 2017, 05:48 PM »
When V Ships left and "new" crew came aboard, at some point in time, QE2 was not shut down properly. 
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Offline Trevor Casey

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #13 on: Aug 09, 2017, 09:54 PM »
When V Ships left and "new" crew came aboard, at some point in time, QE2 was not shut down properly.

What would happen?
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Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #14 on: Aug 10, 2017, 01:58 AM »
What would happen?

Clog the fuel lines and injectors up solid for starters and potentially you could get solidified fuel in the cylinders themselves.

Offline Rod

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #15 on: Aug 10, 2017, 12:24 PM »
Trevor, at room temperature say below 80 degreees, you could almost walk on HFO was heated to 140F to be pumped. If you tried to pump it cooler than that, you could hear the fuel pumps straining.

Offline Trevor Casey

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #16 on: Aug 10, 2017, 11:25 PM »
Clog the fuel lines and injectors up solid for starters and potentially you could get solidified fuel in the cylinders themselves.
Trevor, at room temperature say below 80 degreees, you could almost walk on HFO was heated to 140F to be pumped. If you tried to pump it cooler than that, you could hear the fuel pumps straining.

 :o Oh my! I wonder how the conditions are in there right now..
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Offline ThomasPixel

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #17 on: Aug 10, 2017, 11:40 PM »
:o Oh my! I wonder how the conditions are in there right now..

I can't think it would be good, unfortunately, since the non V ships crew incorrectly attempted to start at least one of the diesels and as far as I know it/they would be long since wrecked since V ships left in 2013 as the attempt was shortly afterwards. Although, hopefully (as stated could happen above) none of the HFO got into the Diesel engines cylinders during this failed attempt, as it would have firmed up by now into a wax like substance if left in situ in the tanks, fuel lines etc. Since QE2 will never again go to sea under her own power what I've just said is a moot point however.

Also, since she's without power except some shore power I'm not sure A/C would be functioning which seems to be the case given the open shell doors in the hull and superstructure in recent photos - which appears to be an attempt to make things more bearable for the workers onboard. Finally, the charcoal grey hull would make her warmer at least on the lower decks probably making the engine rooms quite unpleasant depending on current Dubai weather.

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Offline ThomasPixel

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #18 on: Aug 10, 2017, 11:44 PM »
Does anyone know if the post V ships crew pumped off the HFO fuel to shore after their failed startup attempt? I suspect not if they knew she wouldn't be operating on her own power again.
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Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #19 on: Aug 11, 2017, 01:12 AM »
I can't think it would be good, unfortunately, since the non V ships crew incorrectly attempted to start at least one of the diesels and as far as I know it/they would be long since wrecked since V ships left in 2013 as the attempt was shortly afterwards. Although, hopefully (as stated could happen above) none of the HFO got into the Diesel engines cylinders during this failed attempt, as it would have firmed up by now into a wax like substance if left in situ in the tanks, fuel lines etc. Since QE2 will never again go to sea under her own power what I've just said is a moot point however.

Also, since she's without power except some shore power I'm not sure A/C would be functioning which seems to be the case given the open shell doors in the hull and superstructure in recent photos - which appears to be an attempt to make things more bearable for the workers onboard. Finally, the charcoal grey hull would make her warmer at least on the lower decks probably making the engine rooms quite unpleasant depending on current Dubai weather.

Thomas

I think you will find that it will be cheaper to run on shore side generators/Grid connection than starting one of the prime movers for the electrical requirements needed at this point. If they are replacing every incandescent/fluro with LED the electrical requirements for lighting are going to be about 60-70% less for the hotel section.  Internet of things is around the corner and electrical usage for a lot of things is going to drop significantly once all the standards are settled and rolling out.
If I was Cammel Laid and looking to enter the cruse ship business I would be looking at how to implement "internet of things" into the marine environment.

Building a ship cheaply is one thing, the owner/charter company being able to run it cheaply over 30 years is another.
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #20 on: Aug 11, 2017, 08:35 AM »
I think you will find that it will be cheaper to run on shore side generators/Grid connection than starting one of the prime movers for the electrical requirements needed at this point. If they are replacing every incandescent/fluro with LED the electrical requirements for lighting are going to be about 60-70% less for the hotel section.  Internet of things is around the corner and electrical usage for a lot of things is going to drop significantly once all the standards are settled and rolling out.
If I was Cammel Laid and looking to enter the cruse ship business I would be looking at how to implement "internet of things" into the marine environment.

Building a ship cheaply is one thing, the owner/charter company being able to run it cheaply over 30 years is another.

Hmm - Not too sure what you mean by the 'internet of things'!

Thankfully, whilst in service with Cunard, QE2 Never 'did Cheap'!

To Thomas, regarding your post above - Other than the results of Rob's accurate reporting in 2011,
It really cannot be possible / or logical to hazard any guesses as to whatever has happened to QE2 since late 2008, or perhaps early 2009.
 
This seems to be rather a long way from Starting the QE2... from cold iron!
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« Last Edit: Aug 11, 2017, 08:39 AM by Twynkle »
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #21 on: Aug 11, 2017, 08:43 AM »
When V Ships left and "new" crew came aboard, at some point in time, QE2 was not shut down properly.

Hi June
This is interesting - please, is there a specific reference anywhere else to V Ships "leaving and QE2 not being 'shut down' properly"?
It could be important to have a date and citation!
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Offline Trevor Casey

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #22 on: Aug 11, 2017, 09:41 AM »
Hi June
This is interesting - please, is there a specific reference anywhere else to V Ships "leaving and QE2 not being 'shut down' properly"?
It could be important to have a date and citation!
Rosie

Rosie, do you think that they weren't shut down properly due to them having to leave in such a hurry?
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #23 on: Aug 11, 2017, 10:25 AM »
Rosie, do you think that they weren't shut down properly due to them having to leave in such a hurry?

Trevor the V-Ship Crew left QE2 in December 2012 the engines were switched off in February 2013
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #24 on: Aug 11, 2017, 10:27 AM »
Rosie, do you think that they weren't shut down properly due to them having to leave in such a hurry?

We discussed this at length at the time, as it was happening.  We did have a source.  V ships left very abruptly without any handover to a crew with no experience of s diesel electric setup, they left the ship running.  She continued to run for a short time (days) then stopped for good.  The cost of running her was immense, one way or another whether deliberate or not, someone was going to let her go dark.  That was the last time her interiors were comfortable to work in.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #25 on: Aug 11, 2017, 10:29 AM »
Oh and as an aside, those of you coming to conference, are going to hear the inside story about what went on then!
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #26 on: Aug 11, 2017, 10:30 AM »
Trevor the V-Ship Crew left QE2 in December 2012 the engines were switched in February 2013

Thanks for clarifying for me!
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #27 on: Aug 11, 2017, 10:34 AM »
We discussed this at length at the time, as it was happening.  We did have a source.  V ships left very abruptly without any handover to a crew with no experience of s diesel electric setup, they left the ship running.  She continued to run for a short time (days) then stopped for good.  The cost of running her was immense, one way or another whether deliberate or not, someone was going to let her go dark.  That was the last time her interiors were comfortable to work in.
I think I read something on here a while back about the V ships crew leaving.. She was being kept in such good condition.
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #28 on: Aug 11, 2017, 10:41 AM »
I think I read something on here a while back about the V ships crew leaving.. She was being kept in such good condition.

Statement from v-ships : https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,4912.0.html

Topic about the blackout :
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #30 on: Aug 11, 2017, 01:55 PM »
Hi June
This is interesting - please, is there a specific reference anywhere else to V Ships "leaving and QE2 not being 'shut down' properly"?
It could be important to have a date and citation!
Rosie

Hi Rosie -

There is reference to it somewhere here on The Forum, but I was not able to quickly locate it.  Everything, as I understand it to be, was in working order (relatively speaking) aboard QE2 when V Ships was ordered off the ship. 

Another crew came on board who subsequently shut QE2 down improperly.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #31 on: Aug 11, 2017, 03:06 PM »
Hi all

This might seem a silly question but what would be the procedure to bring the ship up from completely dead cold.

I take it the process would have been:
Start up the 2x emergency generators from battery power.
Wait for them to get up to operating temp.
Sync their electrical output.
Start the AUX generator
Wait for them to get up to operating temp.
Sync electrical output.
Start switching key on components on the 11kv sub board.
Start the air compressors.
Build up air.
Get cooling water/lubricating/(LFO/road diesel) oil circulating.
Start "preping" the boiler for heating the HFO and other services relying on exhaust heat extraction
Start 1st prime mover on air, fueling with LFO/Road Diesel.
Wait for prime mover to come up to operating temperature.
Start up the bilge pumps etc
Start all appropriate controls on the Bridge.
Wait for HFO to come up to appropriate temp.
Start feeding in HFO into the fuel system.
For the 1 in N engines follow the same process for starting Prime Mover 1.
Start bringing Hotel Services eg air conditioning etc "on line" .

I take it that such a procedure could take anywhere up to 12 hours to complete if the bunkers were full. However being fuelled with fresh bunkers it could speed up the process as the fuel is already warm.

Am I close, or am I well wide of the mark and speaking as what we know in Australia as bit of a "know all, know nothing".   


You need engines to do all this,all I can say the engine room does not look today as it did when she arrived in 2008 in Dubai....

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #32 on: Aug 11, 2017, 06:04 PM »

You need engines to do all this,all I can say the engine room does not look today as it did when she arrived in 2008 in Dubai....

Put it this way, I would have expected some "modifications" by now.  Put it this way if you wanted to reactivate  and use her in anger in the ideal world you would have to replace a fair few if not all 1980's PLC's and that sort of stuff doesn't come cheap.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #33 on: Aug 11, 2017, 07:25 PM »
Statement from v-ships : https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,4912.0.html

Topic about the blackout :
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,4893.0.html

Thanks so much, Rob.
(I'm sorry that I (nearly) missed it at the time,
extra-busy with the expedition, the Ice-Breaker, HMS Belfast - with Antarctica on the brain!)
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #34 on: Aug 12, 2017, 01:56 AM »
Hmm - Not too sure what you mean by the 'internet of things'!

Thankfully, whilst in service with Cunard, QE2 Never 'did Cheap'!

To Thomas, regarding your post above - Other than the results of Rob's accurate reporting in 2011,
It really cannot be possible / or logical to hazard any guesses as to whatever has happened to QE2 since late 2008, or perhaps early 2009.
 
This seems to be rather a long way from Starting the QE2... from cold iron!
Sorry, Mods!

The guesses I have made in my above post are educated and based on the few up-to-date facts we have (such as the new crew coming aboard in early 2013 and mishandling her to say the least, and the known ongoing static hotel conversion work at the moment). The educated guesses are also based on what would happen over time to things such as HFO if left in her systems (as is known from other cases where this has happened and has been mentioned several times by the engineers amongst us). We have had plenty of confirmed/verified facts on QE2's status since Rob's visit in 2011 hence Rob's continually updated QE2 status and facts topic/topics. Finally, the educated guesses are made on observations of things in very recent photos of QE2.

Greg, I agree that she will always run on shore power from now on. I was answering Trevor's question on what the current engine room conditions would be like and at least some of the diesels current statuses. This is why I said she will never move under her own power again, not least because of cost.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #35 on: Aug 12, 2017, 08:34 AM »
Hi Thomas,
You might find this of interest too!
Although the Topic is archived here, there are a few details which remain as unconfirmed now as they did just 4 years after QE2 was docked in Dubai! QE2 has been moved a few times, Davina has a made a good record of her movements - each made with her having taken tugs for the manoeuvring  - and it wouldn't be hard to guess would it, that any HFO on board will be (even at 40C +) well nigh impossible to shift, no matter where it is?!
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,5324.msg54455.html#msg54455
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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #36 on: Aug 12, 2017, 03:14 PM »
Somewhere on the forum I went through the dead-start routine - just cannot remember the thread name. Tried to find it last night but no luck.
However, over the time the ship's machinery has been dead, many seals/'O' rings etc would have hardened, so to run anything now without major leakages and/or dangerous situations possibly arriving would require strip-down & rebuild before attempting a start on most of the major machinery items. The 2 or 3 (cannot remember the exact number now) main engines that the Asian crew damaged, after trying to restart them after they had been stopped on HFO, will have hydrauliced fuel pumps, broken or bent camshafts, and all filters/fuel lines/injectors/fuel return lines now blocked solid. I believe they shut down 5 engines on HFO, instead of switching the fuel modules back to diesel fuel to flush the HFO out of the systems before shutdown.

Now, even the purifiers/clarifiers/pumps/controls/air start systems/start & control air compressors/etc/etc would have to be overhauled before use. Bunker HFO lines will be solid, but diesel lines & daily service tanks will be Ok if they are still holding fuel. Unless the boilers can be reactivated (after strip-down, inspection for corrosion, etc, burners & pumps overhauled, control systems proven operating correctly to prevent boiler explosion through non-purging, fans checked), they cannot hope to warm the coils in the HFO bunkers. The Lloyd's CSM sheets will have a bad dose of the measles - ie., red dots on every piece of machinery, and thus well out of class. Essentially, if you didn't want to damage something, all machinery would require internal inspection before anyone even thought about starting anything! All jacket water pipes would have to be inspected for corrosion. Coolers opened up/ S.W. systems & strainers opened up. Who would pay for all this?

Very glad non of these HFO idiots sailed on any of my jobs or the term 'keel haul' would have probably been resurrected!!

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #37 on: Aug 12, 2017, 06:29 PM »
Somewhere on the forum I went through the dead-start routine - just cannot remember the thread name. Tried to find it last night but no luck.
However, over the time the ship's machinery has been dead, many seals/'O' rings etc would have hardened, so to run anything now without major leakages and/or dangerous situations possibly arriving would require strip-down & rebuild before attempting a start on most of the major machinery items. The 2 or 3 (cannot remember the exact number now) main engines that the Asian crew damaged, after trying to restart them after they had been stopped on HFO, will have hydrauliced fuel pumps, broken or bent camshafts, and all filters/fuel lines/injectors/fuel return lines now blocked solid. I believe they shut down 5 engines on HFO, instead of switching the fuel modules back to diesel fuel to flush the HFO out of the systems before shutdown.

Now, even the purifiers/clarifiers/pumps/controls/air start systems/start & control air compressors/etc/etc would have to be overhauled before use. Bunker HFO lines will be solid, but diesel lines & daily service tanks will be Ok if they are still holding fuel. Unless the boilers can be reactivated (after strip-down, inspection for corrosion, etc, burners & pumps overhauled, control systems proven operating correctly to prevent boiler explosion through non-purging, fans checked), they cannot hope to warm the coils in the HFO bunkers. The Lloyd's CSM sheets will have a bad dose of the measles - ie., red dots on every piece of machinery, and thus well out of class. Essentially, if you didn't want to damage something, all machinery would require internal inspection before anyone even thought about starting anything! All jacket water pipes would have to be inspected for corrosion. Coolers opened up/ S.W. systems & strainers opened up. Who would pay for all this?

Very glad non of these HFO idiots sailed on any of my jobs or the term 'keel haul' would have probably been resurrected!!

Skilly

Hi Skilly

Have had a quick rec. - and will continue to search
I remember your post so well!
I don't think it was in either of these links, or was it?
Hoping all's good with you - and yours
Rosie


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https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1039.msg21702.html#msg21702
QE2 has been waiting alongside in Dubai for very nearly  whole years... she seriously needs to be earning her keep....

Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #38 on: Aug 12, 2017, 10:52 PM »
@skilly

"Internet of things" is were lighting etc becomes network based. E.g. an intelegent light bulb that runs on ethernet with a network aka ip address rather on the 110-240 V ac mains.