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Offline June Ingram

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #30 on: Aug 11, 2017, 01:55 PM »
Hi June
This is interesting - please, is there a specific reference anywhere else to V Ships "leaving and QE2 not being 'shut down' properly"?
It could be important to have a date and citation!
Rosie

Hi Rosie -

There is reference to it somewhere here on The Forum, but I was not able to quickly locate it.  Everything, as I understand it to be, was in working order (relatively speaking) aboard QE2 when V Ships was ordered off the ship. 

Another crew came on board who subsequently shut QE2 down improperly.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #31 on: Aug 11, 2017, 03:06 PM »
Hi all

This might seem a silly question but what would be the procedure to bring the ship up from completely dead cold.

I take it the process would have been:
Start up the 2x emergency generators from battery power.
Wait for them to get up to operating temp.
Sync their electrical output.
Start the AUX generator
Wait for them to get up to operating temp.
Sync electrical output.
Start switching key on components on the 11kv sub board.
Start the air compressors.
Build up air.
Get cooling water/lubricating/(LFO/road diesel) oil circulating.
Start "preping" the boiler for heating the HFO and other services relying on exhaust heat extraction
Start 1st prime mover on air, fueling with LFO/Road Diesel.
Wait for prime mover to come up to operating temperature.
Start up the bilge pumps etc
Start all appropriate controls on the Bridge.
Wait for HFO to come up to appropriate temp.
Start feeding in HFO into the fuel system.
For the 1 in N engines follow the same process for starting Prime Mover 1.
Start bringing Hotel Services eg air conditioning etc "on line" .

I take it that such a procedure could take anywhere up to 12 hours to complete if the bunkers were full. However being fuelled with fresh bunkers it could speed up the process as the fuel is already warm.

Am I close, or am I well wide of the mark and speaking as what we know in Australia as bit of a "know all, know nothing".   


You need engines to do all this,all I can say the engine room does not look today as it did when she arrived in 2008 in Dubai....

Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #32 on: Aug 11, 2017, 06:04 PM »

You need engines to do all this,all I can say the engine room does not look today as it did when she arrived in 2008 in Dubai....

Put it this way, I would have expected some "modifications" by now.  Put it this way if you wanted to reactivate  and use her in anger in the ideal world you would have to replace a fair few if not all 1980's PLC's and that sort of stuff doesn't come cheap.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #33 on: Aug 11, 2017, 07:25 PM »
Statement from v-ships : https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,4912.0.html

Topic about the blackout :
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,4893.0.html

Thanks so much, Rob.
(I'm sorry that I (nearly) missed it at the time,
extra-busy with the expedition, the Ice-Breaker, HMS Belfast - with Antarctica on the brain!)

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #34 on: Aug 12, 2017, 01:56 AM »
Hmm - Not too sure what you mean by the 'internet of things'!

Thankfully, whilst in service with Cunard, QE2 Never 'did Cheap'!

To Thomas, regarding your post above - Other than the results of Rob's accurate reporting in 2011,
It really cannot be possible / or logical to hazard any guesses as to whatever has happened to QE2 since late 2008, or perhaps early 2009.
 
This seems to be rather a long way from Starting the QE2... from cold iron!
Sorry, Mods!

The guesses I have made in my above post are educated and based on the few up-to-date facts we have (such as the new crew coming aboard in early 2013 and mishandling her to say the least, and the known ongoing static hotel conversion work at the moment). The educated guesses are also based on what would happen over time to things such as HFO if left in her systems (as is known from other cases where this has happened and has been mentioned several times by the engineers amongst us). We have had plenty of confirmed/verified facts on QE2's status since Rob's visit in 2011 hence Rob's continually updated QE2 status and facts topic/topics. Finally, the educated guesses are made on observations of things in very recent photos of QE2.

Greg, I agree that she will always run on shore power from now on. I was answering Trevor's question on what the current engine room conditions would be like and at least some of the diesels current statuses. This is why I said she will never move under her own power again, not least because of cost.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #35 on: Aug 12, 2017, 08:34 AM »
Hi Thomas,
You might find this of interest too!
Although the Topic is archived here, there are a few details which remain as unconfirmed now as they did just 4 years after QE2 was docked in Dubai! QE2 has been moved a few times, Davina has a made a good record of her movements - each made with her having taken tugs for the manoeuvring  - and it wouldn't be hard to guess would it, that any HFO on board will be (even at 40C +) well nigh impossible to shift, no matter where it is?!
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,5324.msg54455.html#msg54455
Rosie.

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Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #36 on: Aug 12, 2017, 03:14 PM »
Somewhere on the forum I went through the dead-start routine - just cannot remember the thread name. Tried to find it last night but no luck.
However, over the time the ship's machinery has been dead, many seals/'O' rings etc would have hardened, so to run anything now without major leakages and/or dangerous situations possibly arriving would require strip-down & rebuild before attempting a start on most of the major machinery items. The 2 or 3 (cannot remember the exact number now) main engines that the Asian crew damaged, after trying to restart them after they had been stopped on HFO, will have hydrauliced fuel pumps, broken or bent camshafts, and all filters/fuel lines/injectors/fuel return lines now blocked solid. I believe they shut down 5 engines on HFO, instead of switching the fuel modules back to diesel fuel to flush the HFO out of the systems before shutdown.

Now, even the purifiers/clarifiers/pumps/controls/air start systems/start & control air compressors/etc/etc would have to be overhauled before use. Bunker HFO lines will be solid, but diesel lines & daily service tanks will be Ok if they are still holding fuel. Unless the boilers can be reactivated (after strip-down, inspection for corrosion, etc, burners & pumps overhauled, control systems proven operating correctly to prevent boiler explosion through non-purging, fans checked), they cannot hope to warm the coils in the HFO bunkers. The Lloyd's CSM sheets will have a bad dose of the measles - ie., red dots on every piece of machinery, and thus well out of class. Essentially, if you didn't want to damage something, all machinery would require internal inspection before anyone even thought about starting anything! All jacket water pipes would have to be inspected for corrosion. Coolers opened up/ S.W. systems & strainers opened up. Who would pay for all this?

Very glad non of these HFO idiots sailed on any of my jobs or the term 'keel haul' would have probably been resurrected!!

Skilly

Offline Twynkle

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #37 on: Aug 12, 2017, 06:29 PM »
Somewhere on the forum I went through the dead-start routine - just cannot remember the thread name. Tried to find it last night but no luck.
However, over the time the ship's machinery has been dead, many seals/'O' rings etc would have hardened, so to run anything now without major leakages and/or dangerous situations possibly arriving would require strip-down & rebuild before attempting a start on most of the major machinery items. The 2 or 3 (cannot remember the exact number now) main engines that the Asian crew damaged, after trying to restart them after they had been stopped on HFO, will have hydrauliced fuel pumps, broken or bent camshafts, and all filters/fuel lines/injectors/fuel return lines now blocked solid. I believe they shut down 5 engines on HFO, instead of switching the fuel modules back to diesel fuel to flush the HFO out of the systems before shutdown.

Now, even the purifiers/clarifiers/pumps/controls/air start systems/start & control air compressors/etc/etc would have to be overhauled before use. Bunker HFO lines will be solid, but diesel lines & daily service tanks will be Ok if they are still holding fuel. Unless the boilers can be reactivated (after strip-down, inspection for corrosion, etc, burners & pumps overhauled, control systems proven operating correctly to prevent boiler explosion through non-purging, fans checked), they cannot hope to warm the coils in the HFO bunkers. The Lloyd's CSM sheets will have a bad dose of the measles - ie., red dots on every piece of machinery, and thus well out of class. Essentially, if you didn't want to damage something, all machinery would require internal inspection before anyone even thought about starting anything! All jacket water pipes would have to be inspected for corrosion. Coolers opened up/ S.W. systems & strainers opened up. Who would pay for all this?

Very glad non of these HFO idiots sailed on any of my jobs or the term 'keel haul' would have probably been resurrected!!

Skilly

Hi Skilly

Have had a quick rec. - and will continue to search
I remember your post so well!
I don't think it was in either of these links, or was it?
Hoping all's good with you - and yours
Rosie


https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,6090.msg65497.html#msg65497
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1039.msg21702.html#msg21702

Offline Greg Rudd

Re: Starting the QE2 from Stone Cold
« Reply #38 on: Aug 12, 2017, 10:52 PM »
@skilly

"Internet of things" is were lighting etc becomes network based. E.g. an intelegent light bulb that runs on ethernet with a network aka ip address rather on the 110-240 V ac mains.