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Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?

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Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?

Speculation says the reason for this is is to clear more room on the boat deck, and/or improve the view from the ship.

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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #1 on: Sep 08, 2016, 08:51 PM »
I have voted and my vote is - They should not have removed QE2's Lifeboat Davits. 
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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #2 on: Sep 08, 2016, 09:33 PM »
My vote was yes

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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #3 on: Sep 08, 2016, 09:35 PM »
So in summary, you're happy they've cut off the Lifeboat davits, and you want the ship scrapped...
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 08, 2016, 10:06 PM »
I voted yes..


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  So in summary, you're happy they've cut off the Lifeboat davits, and you want the ship scrapped...
 
Hmm thats not what the question is about ...its a simple yes or no..what the end game is who knows...
Can you imagine how much more space it will create... re adjust the railings, deck over where they were placed, and who knows, a deck side cafe, chairs and tables, Umbrellas... its a hot climate   :o
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 08, 2016, 10:58 PM »
I voted no. Those davits along with the lifeboats form QE2's majestic profile. They have been with her for 40+ years and taking them away changes the way she looks.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 08, 2016, 10:59 PM »
I voted yes..

Hmm thats not what the question is about ...its a simple yes or no..what the end game is who knows...
Can you imagine how much more space it will create... re adjust the railings, deck over where they were placed, and who knows, a deck side cafe, chairs and tables, Umbrellas... its a hot climate   :o

Hi Myles - Losing the Lifeboats was potentially redeemable, they could at the very least be re-instated /replaced... -
Losing the Davits is something else - their motors will be gone, the hooks, lines, etc to rehang the lifeboats has been lost...It's like her losing her eyelashes....Just Plain inappropriate...(Don't please, ask about her teeth...)
The boat Deck isn't the only place where umbrellas are lovely!!
Anyone who dares move the railings will have to pay my fare and I'll go and varnish them and put them back.

Anyway - let's keep fingers crossed that this is just 'temporary'....Here's hoping....

Rosie
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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« Reply #7 on: Sep 09, 2016, 07:46 AM »
Of course it was the wrong decision, unless the plan is to replace them, which seems highly unlikely. The argument that 'it will improve the boat deck visibility' is to entirely miss the point. The whole charm of QE2 should be the fact that she is a ship - by changing her to make her more like a hotel is to reduce her appeal.
I wish they would just scrap it rather than make us watch them ruin it one piece at a time.

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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #8 on: Sep 09, 2016, 09:03 AM »
Of course it was the wrong decision, unless the plan is to replace them, which seems highly unlikely. The argument that 'it will improve the boat deck visibility' is to entirely miss the point. The whole charm of QE2 should be the fact that she is a ship - by changing her to make her more like a hotel is to reduce her appeal.
I wish they would just scrap it rather than make us watch them ruin it one piece at a time.

Exactly right. Practicalities is missing the point. I drove a classic car which is simultaneously charming and hideously impractical.  You can't make an old historic object practical.  What you can do, as with the Rotterdam, is carefully considered alterations necessary to fit a static hotel into an old ship.  We were all accepting that the staterooms would need drastically altered, for instance, but using their logic, the next thing they'll do is remove the portholes and replace them with more practical upvc double glazed square ones...
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 09, 2016, 07:42 PM »
Oh and a glass topped funnel , don't forget Rob,
 after all this time leaving her in Limbo, why now start all this utter tasteless crap, mind you she is sited in the tastless capital of the world , so really no surprises there eh!. My heart bleeds.............................................

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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #10 on: Sep 09, 2016, 07:57 PM »
I voted no, just doesn't look right without them - I think Rob's description was spot on:

Practicalities is missing the point. I drove a classic car which is simultaneously charming and hideously impractical.  You can't make an old historic object practical.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 09, 2016, 08:26 PM »
Having thought about this topic (unlike the present scrap merchants), I feel obliged to comment,   what unobsructed view exactly are they presenting to their clients?. One side a parking lot, the other a view to an horizon never to be reached.
When in service QE2 had millionaires living in her 'top notch suites ' with somewhat obstructed views, they paid their money & took the choice that was QE2.
 Those obstructed views of Sydney harbour, Bar Harbour, Singapore, Manhatten,etc, etc, et al, & yes Southhampton, were an accepted part of being on 'The Most Famous Ocean Liner In The World'.
As for cafe style seating in lieu of the real thing, I can only say I was witness to folk moving those beautiful wooden deckchairs under the lifeboats for welcome shade, & being prepared to shift them as necessary if she changed course, or if the sun shifted, myself included :(
  Is removing the Lifeboats & supports preserving her heritage, so to afford a vista over a sandbank worth it, answers on a postage stamp. >:(

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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #12 on: Sep 09, 2016, 08:32 PM »
Well said, Pete !  Hear !  Hear !
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 09, 2016, 10:09 PM »
I am not at all sure that achieving unobstructed views is the objective...

Not that I have a view on what the lifeboat and davit removal really means... I am just waiting to see whether any more clarity  emerges... my fear is that we are still far from seeing the end of the deconstruction...

Offline John Drew

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« Reply #14 on: Sep 09, 2016, 10:39 PM »
Hi Guys,

I used to maintain both the lifeboats / launches and davits during my time on there they are now gone and my hard work over the years to keep them in great shape can never been seen again, if they put them back I will forgive them if not I had better keep myself away from Dubai as I will get in trouble voicing my opinion out loudly at that.

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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #15 on: Sep 09, 2016, 10:52 PM »
Hi Guys,

I used to maintain both the lifeboats / launches and davits during my time on there they are now gone and my hard work over the years to keep them in great shape can never been seen again, if they put them back I will forgive them if not I had better keep myself away from Dubai as I will get in trouble voicing my opinion out loudly at that.

John.

I had wondered how those who looked after this equipment were feeling seeing it removed.  It must be tough.  I can imagine carrying out maintenance work on it where you had to consider that the next time it might be used is in an emergency. We can be thankful that that emergency never came, but we felt safe knowing the boats were ready if needed.  We also enjoyed their services when taking a tender to shore.
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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #16 on: Sep 10, 2016, 07:34 AM »
I voted "no" - unless they're planning to put them back.

My fear is that they're now going ahead for a crappy, tasteless thing like the Ming Hua Sea Center in China, which was once the French liner "Ancerville".

But… am I wrong or was it a clause in the sale contract saying that her external appearance couldn't be spoilt?

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Re: Poll - Were they right to remove QE2's Lifeboat Davits?
« Reply #17 on: Sep 10, 2016, 10:56 AM »

But… am I wrong or was it a clause in the sale contract saying that her external appearance couldn't be spoilt?

That's been repeated a few times recently, but I don't think it's true. I think they can do what they like as long as they're still working on the Dubai hotel project...
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 10, 2016, 02:12 PM »
Hi Guys,

I used to maintain both the lifeboats / launches and davits during my time on there they are now gone and my hard work over the years to keep them in great shape can never been seen again, if they put them back I will forgive them if not I had better keep myself away from Dubai as I will get in trouble voicing my opinion out loudly at that.

John.

Hi John
Your message about your work is incredibly important - and well as the work you did for us (pax).
I often watched the Deck 'gang', and the mechanical work involved looked hard, and probably highly dangerous too....
Did you drive the Lifeboats as well as maintain the lifeboats, davits, motors and gears etc?
That greasing (of the suspension 'wires') looked horrible!
All the best
Rosie
« Last Edit: Sep 10, 2016, 04:01 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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« Reply #19 on: Sep 11, 2016, 05:48 PM »
In memorium.