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Will Crystal Cruises get the SS United States sailing again?

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What do you think?  Will Crystal Cruises get the SS United States sailing again?

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No,can't see it happening

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Sounds (and looks) a bit unrealistic.

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Seems like a publicity stunt to me but if they do put her to sea again I hope they don't do what their artist impression shows. It would not be SS United States if they butcher her profile.
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I think it's an excellent way to give an old neglected ship a second chance at life. Good luck to them. Here's hoping.
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I put down don't know because it really could go either way. I agree with Chris. I wish them the best.
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I wish them the best of luck and anything is better than Alang.  But adding three balcony decks to an already low ocean liner profile makes The Big U look somewhat like the old Fall River Line steamers.  The lifeboats set amidships gives the illusion of a side wheeler housing that the older Fall River ships had.
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Offline Roy Warrender

Rob can you check results of the poll it seems to be inaccurate I know more than i person Has voted yes

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Rob can you check results of the poll it seems to be inaccurate I know more than i person Has voted yes

Maybe someone changed their mind and their vote?

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I agree one can change ones opinion but with a poll once you have voted that vote should stand and not be changed to go with the flow

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  I agree one can change ones opinion but with a poll once you have voted that vote should stand and not be changed to go with the flow   


I agree, and while we are at it, lets remove the dont know option...its an easy cop out, we either think she will sail again or she wont. or are we going back to the Henry Ford days, you can have any colour you like as long as its black.   Lets put some adventure into the thing.
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Offline Roy Warrender

If you did then I'm not on my own
I hope they get her back to sea but only if it is the United States with new engines etc , But not with the hull modified and altered
I,m not a purist as long as the external view is correct and the interior represents the original thats Ok by me

Offline highlander0108

I am convinced this is really going to happen for a few key reasons.  First, the cruise line has gone way out of its way in promoting this and has been working with the Conservancy behind the scenes for awhile.  To walk this back 9 months from now will be embarrassing, but they did leave the door open, as any smart minded company would.  Second, they have been up front from the beginning with the costs, so they already are assuming that they are going to be spending the equivalent amount to a completely new ship and have factored this into their calculations. 

So if one assumes this is viable, the discussion then should focus on the engineering side of things. Do they really intend for her to still have high speed capability?  If so, I am guessing that a QE2 style DG arrangement is necessary.  The question then is will this be a 2 or 4 prop deal.  I'm guessing it will be 2 propellers with the outboard 2 removed ala Norway.  I suppose you could go with pods, but the stern is going to have to have the flat sections added.  I am guessing that due to the latest stability regs, stuff is going to have to be added anyway.  In any event, it is going to be an interested story to follow.
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I am convinced this is really going to happen for a few key reasons.  First, the cruise line has gone way out of its way in promoting this and has been working with the Conservancy behind the scenes for awhile.  To walk this back 9 months from now will be embarrassing, but they did leave the door open, as any smart minded company would.  Second, they have been up front from the beginning with the costs, so they already are assuming that they are going to be spending the equivalent amount to a completely new ship and have factored this into their calculations. 

So if one assumes this is viable, the discussion then should focus on the engineering side of things. Do they really intend for her to still have high speed capability?  If so, I am guessing that a QE2 style DG arrangement is necessary.  The question then is will this be a 2 or 4 prop deal.  I'm guessing it will be 2 propellers with the outboard 2 removed ala Norway.  I suppose you could go with pods, but the stern is going to have to have the flat sections added.  I am guessing that due to the latest stability regs, stuff is going to have to be added anyway.  In any event, it is going to be an interested story to follow.

I should know the answer to this... but did she have stabilisers?  I'm thinking they'll want to at least add(?) bow thrusters.  And yes, I'd been thinking a Diesel-electric setup similar to QE2's is surely the way to go, and yes two props would still allow her to be high speed (relative to cruise ships, not her former self!).
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Offline Scott Ebersold

I thought this was an interesting insider perspective.

https://markbperry.wordpress.com/2016/02/08/ship-of-stars-reborn/

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Thanks, Scott.  This is a very thoughtful and well written article.

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Offline highlander0108

I should know the answer to this... but did she have stabilisers?  I'm thinking they'll want to at least add(?) bow thrusters.  And yes, I'd been thinking a Diesel-electric setup similar to QE2's is surely the way to go, and yes two props would still allow her to be high speed (relative to cruise ships, not her former self!).

She never had stabilizers installed, although she was a good roller.  I believe this was mentioned in the book A Man and His Ship.
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I am convinced this is really going to happen for a few key reasons.  First, the cruise line has gone way out of its way in promoting this and has been working with the Conservancy behind the scenes for awhile.  To walk this back 9 months from now will be embarrassing, but they did leave the door open, as any smart minded company would.  Second, they have been up front from the beginning with the costs, so they already are assuming that they are going to be spending the equivalent amount to a completely new ship and have factored this into their calculations. 

So if one assumes this is viable, the discussion then should focus on the engineering side of things. Do they really intend for her to still have high speed capability?  If so, I am guessing that a QE2 style DG arrangement is necessary.  The question then is will this be a 2 or 4 prop deal.  I'm guessing it will be 2 propellers with the outboard 2 removed ala Norway.  I suppose you could go with pods, but the stern is going to have to have the flat sections added.  I am guessing that due to the latest stability regs, stuff is going to have to be added anyway.  In any event, it is going to be an interested story to follow.

It certainly seems more realistic than the Norwegian bid, and I can't see the Conservancy entering into such an agreement without feeling like it was a realistic idea.
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Offline Roy Warrender

Moderators Can you remove the poll results from the top of this thread Its not upto date

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Rob and Roy, do you want us to reset at zero and start the voting again?

Now that I am here, I just want to add that I voted "don't know". I honestly don't know. I have not taken the time to inform myself properly about these matters, but I still wanted to cast my vote, meaning "I have been here, I have read what has been written, but I cannot make up my mind on this basis". If there had been an "abstain" button, I suppose that would have expressed my "non-views" even better :) .
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I'm not aware of a problem with the poll.

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I agree, and while we are at it, lets remove the dont know option...its an easy cop out, we either think she will sail again or she wont. or are we going back to the Henry Ford days, you can have any colour you like as long as its black.   Lets put some adventure into the thing.
Im sure l voted Yes...

Having a 'don't know'option is very important statistically if you want an accurate result.
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Offline Roy Warrender

Hi the poll results on the top of this thread doesn't agree with the thread that you can vote on, this thread shows only 1 vote for yes where the other thread shows a massive vote for yes


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Hi the poll results on the top of this thread doesn't agree with the thread that you can vote on, this thread shows only 1 vote for yes where the other thread shows a massive vote for yes

I'm sorry, I'm still not understanding.

And I just logged in as our test user "Fred" and voted yes in this poll, and it registered correctly.  There isn't really any way for it to go wrong that I know of.  (the poll system has proven to be very reliable).

The two polls I posted about the ss united states are very different - it would be quite normal to think its a good idea, but also think it won't happen... which is what I wanted to try to capture.   You might also think the flip, and think its a bad idea, but they'll manage to do it.

Is bringing QE2 to Liverpool waterfront a good idea?  Yes. Do you think it will it happen?  No.
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Offline Roy Warrender

Rob the thread I refereed to has a false poll result at the top showing only 1 vote for yes this is not the actual poll Thread
I think there maybe 2 threads 1 is the actual Poll thread which you can vote on this shows a correct result yes is far ahead
the other shows only 1 vote for yes and you can't vote on it
My concern is if someone access the wrong thread  it gives a distorted view of the poll

Hopefully I think if you go to the top of this thread you will see what I refer to
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I think I can see what you are getting at, but consider this:

On the other thread I voted "Yes - it's a good idea".

On this thread, however, I voted that I'm not convinced it will actually happen, ie "No".

Maybe a lot of people are sharing my "wait and see" attitude before daring to believe it will happen and have voted accordingly?
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Offline lahrdeco

The project to put the liner again to the sea, seems to me to ambitious. SOLAS regulations, consequently new machines/turbines, the new constructions for the suites above the promenade Deck, and of course the renovation of the whole ship will turn into a Mega expensive and to ambitious financial adventure... the price will be finally more expensive, that a new ship will cost  ??? 
I can believe in the goodwill by Crystal Cruises, but the word "feasibility" was used to often by the CEO of Crystal Cruises.
Otherwise it will be very sad, when the circumstances will turn the project to the scrapyard.
A few years ago, the SS Rotterdam, was practically on the same way.
Today, this prestigious liner, moored in Rotterdam, live his life as Hotel, and congress Center.
Personally I had twice the opportunity to visit her,  and to spend a few nights on her. Simply wonderful, and for me the only way for a preservation of an old Transatlantic Liner.
Hoping, that the project that a lot of people started, around the SS United Conservancy, will have a Happy End.
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Offline Roy Warrender

Peter I didn't realize there were 2 polls I can't find a way to vote on this thread I thought that poll result see above the first post at top of this thread
was reflecting the result on the other thread
Although I notice the yes vote on this thread has gone up to is 2, on the other thread the yes vote is in the great majoritY

I think  there are 2 threads called   Poll : Will Crystal Cruises get the SS United States sailing again?

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,7155.0.html

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,7156.0.html
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They have different names.


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Offline Roy Warrender

Point taken Peter  I thought it was reflecting the other poll  as there is no way to vote as far as I can see

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Is it possible you've voted without realising it?  In which case there should be a "remove vote" button visible to you somewhere to the left under the poll?
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Offline Roy Warrender

As far as I know I only voted in the other thread,  I don't see the point of voting if you can change your vote

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As far as I know I only voted in the other thread,  I don't see the point of voting if you can change your vote

I just checked, and both the polls are set so that the voter cannot change their vote...
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sorry Rob I thought they were the Same Poll

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Cruising Authority has a talk with Susan Gibbs and is going to have a talk with Edie Rodriguez soon. I don't have the links to those podcasts, however. I would check Barry's website.
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Offline Jenny Roberts

Really hope something will be done with this magnificent ship. We saw her in Philadelphia a few years ago, she still looks superb despite her crumbling appearance.

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Alot of her ran down look is just down to needing painted.

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Alot of her ran down look is just down to needing painted.

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Hear, Hear!
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