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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #15 on: Aug 31, 2015, 09:07 AM »
My view is that the only place QE2 would work on the Clyde, is alongside the riverside museum in Glasgow. Yes there is a space, and yes there would need to be a huge amount of dredging, but Glasgow's substantial new conference and event spaces are nearby, and they'd keep her very busy (she'd be within walking distance).

She must turn a profit to guarantee herself a future.

However the cost of Glasgow may be prohibitive, and like Gav says, that may mean she'd be better off elsewhere.
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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #16 on: Aug 31, 2015, 12:06 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong
 I thought the Scottish proposal was to buy QE2 outright from the owners unlike QE2london who proposed a collaboration with them
Also wouldn't they need to remove the superstructure to get her alongside the Riverside Museum

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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #17 on: Aug 31, 2015, 01:27 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong
 I thought the Scottish proposal was to buy QE2 outright from the owners unlike QE2london who proposed a collaboration with them
Also wouldn't they need to remove the superstructure to get her alongside the Riverside Museum

Not sure about the proposal but I would think that  the only way any consortium would get full control over the vessel's future would be outright purchase. The Erskine Bridge hadn't been completed when QE2 made her initial journey from Browns to Greenock so I would imagine substantial parts of her upper works would require removal to get her under the bridge - not to mention the amount of dredging required as I would imagine the depth in the main channel is less in 2015 than it was in 1968 due to the reduced large traffic in the upper river.

I don't know if McColl would put his weight behind a non Scottish bid for the ship - that depends what angle he is approaching this from (ie get a Clydebuilt ship back to her original flag country and save her from oblivion OR get her back to Scotland ). To me as long as she is returned to the UK and the "right thing" is done by her then its fine by me. She is and will always be one of the Clyde's finest products regardless of where in the UK she (hopefully) eventually ends up.


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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #18 on: Aug 31, 2015, 02:13 PM »
The Glasgow option was fully researched at one point over the past few years.  Dredging seemed the only major hurdle.  Its stayed in my mind as my "dream option" and I think about it every time I drive past (every evening).

I don't have the figures to hand from that time, however by my reckoning -

QE2 is 204 feet high from keel to funnel top, but she has a 30 foot draught.  So thats 174 feet from the water to the top of her funnel.  But her funnel and mast could be temporarily removed or lowered, the funnel is a whopping 69 feet high (https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?topic=3949.0), so that takes it down to 105 feet above the water to the top of the penthouses.  Clearance under the erskine bridge is 148 feet.  So by my rough reckoning, the funnel and mast should do it...
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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #19 on: Aug 31, 2015, 02:39 PM »
The Glasgow option was fully researched at one point over the past few years.  Dredging seemed the only major hurdle.  Its stayed in my mind as my "dream option" and I think about it every time I drive past (every evening).

I don't have the figures to hand from that time, however by my reckoning -

QE2 is 204 feet high from keel to funnel top, but she has a 30 foot draught.  So thats 174 feet from the water to the top of her funnel.  But her funnel and mast could be temporarily removed or lowered, the funnel is a whopping 69 feet high (https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?topic=3949.0), so that takes it down to 105 feet above the water to the top of the penthouses.  Clearance under the erskine bridge is 148 feet.  So by my rough reckoning, the funnel and mast should do it...

This is exactly what 'we' were thinking, on that very first trip on board Waverley!
The only queries we had were regarding draught - was that 30' with or without ballast? And then - the other question was regarding the levels in the river - is it tidal there, Rob? They've sailed the new aircraft carrier sections out - wonder what the vital statistics were for those...
(Having watched QM2 slide beneath the Verrazano - with minimum clearance - surely QE2 could do it here too!)

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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #20 on: Aug 31, 2015, 09:02 PM »
http://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/greenock/articles/2015/08/31/543190-fergusons-lands-massive-97m-ferry-contract/

Ferguson's lands massive £97m ferry contract

FIRST Minister Nicola Sturgeon is at Ferguson's this morning - to announce that the shipyard has won a crucial £97m ferry order.

The yard has been confirmed as 'preferred tenderer' to build two new CalMac ferries.

The contract will allow Ferguson's to take on more workers - and secure the jobs of the 150 staff already there.

The ferries will be the largest commercial vessels to be built on the Clyde since 2001.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said: “This is an excellent result for Ferguson Marine Engineering Limited and I am delighted to name them as preferred tenderer for the contract to build two new ferries, the largest commercial vessels to be built on the Clyde since 2001.

"Today’s announcement proves that Scottish shipbuilding can succeed in a competitive market, with the FMEL team submitting the highest quality bid that offered best value for money.

“This contract will see the 150-strong workforce retained and more staff taken on at the shipyard, underlining our commitment to creating the vital jobs needed to boost local economies and help stimulate growth across Scotland.

"The Scottish Government is committed to supporting ferry users around Scotland by providing safe and reliable services, and this is the latest step to ensuring we have a fleet that continues to deliver for the communities that depend on it.”

Ferguson's bosses are delighted that they are Caledonian Maritime Assets Limited's prefered option to build two large dual fuel ferries for the Clyde and Hebrides ferry service.

The contract, once finally negotiated and entered into, will provide a boost for commercial shipbuilding on the Clyde and follows the shipyard’s successful build of the world’s first two sea-going passenger and vehicle roll-on roll-off ferries to incorporate a low-carbon hybrid system of diesel electric and battery power.

The third hybrid ferry is scheduled to launch in December 2015.

Ferguson's will construct two 100-metre ferries which will be able to accommodate 127 cars or 16 HGVs or a combination of both and up to 1,000 passengers.

The ships will be able to service a wide range of ports and routes without significant redevelopment over their expected 30 year plus lifespan.

It is anticipated that the first vessel will enter service early in 2018, with the second following a few months later.

It is likely that the first ship will initially serve on the Ardrossan to Arran route, using the new port facilities being built at Brodick. The second vessel is destined for the Uig Triangle.

Tom Docherty, chief executive at CMAL, said: “This project provides a fantastic commercial opportunity for Scottish shipbuilding and we are delighted to announce FMEL as the preferred tenderer for this contract. We have worked closely with colleagues at CalMac Ferries Ltd to ensure that the design of these ferries follows their requirements that are based on future demand both on the initially identified routes and across the network, as well as their desire for an LNG powered ferry, which helps to future proof the vessel.

“CMAL is committed to leading the way in innovative and greener ferry design and this dual fuel ferry is further proof of that. When fully operating on LNG, these ferries will greatly contribute to Scotland’s ambitious climate change targets.

“Subject to agreement on all final contractual elements with FMEL, we hope to be in a position to finalise the award of the contract in September.”

Offline John B Houston

Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #21 on: Aug 31, 2015, 09:44 PM »
Roy I just spotted your question, sorry for the delay in getting back to you!  AFAIK he (Jim McColl) was bidding for the dock as a going concern.  The dock was recently used during the docking of a large passenger ferry which had been damaged and needed surveyed so it is a working dock, although used sparingly.  The article I read stated that McColl's company Ferguson Marine was looking to purchase the dock so that they could bid for much larger ships than their current Port Glasgow slipway can accomodate. I think they are looking toward the size of North-Sea Ro-Ro's, but interestingly Fergusons Marine are pioneers and patent holders of next-gen LNG/Electric Ferry builds.  This is the type of ship that they have just today won preferred bidder status to the value of almost £100Million sustaining and expanding the workforce of the rescued Fergusons shipyard well into the next 5 years. 

If QE2 project is successful, it doesn't take a genius to work out the nearby fabrication and building work could be done by Fergusons too - although we are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay far away from discussing that just yet!  He has to his credit backed the proposals IF the feasibility studies show her condition and return on investment is positive.  All ifs buts and maybes but I'd rather have the situation we're in than starting from scratch :)

On the subject of Dubai, I don't want to say anything that may prejudice our jittery colleagues in Dubai, but I will keep you posted as soon as I have news.  I'm sure you'll understand it's a very delicate situation at the moment ;)

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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #22 on: Jan 28, 2018, 11:49 AM »
HUNDREDS of people have signed a petition calling for Greenock’s historic Inchgreen drydock to be saved.

http://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/15899689.Hundreds_sign_petition_to_save_historic_Inchgreen_drydock/
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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #23 on: Jan 29, 2018, 01:17 PM »
I signed the petition but not really sure what I signed if that makes any sense?

There is nothing official about Inchgreen being filled in etc etc although Peel Ports do have a history of wanting to sell of land.

The cranes were destroyed because they were obsolete and out of ticket - its cheaper to get mobile cranes on hire - which have superior reach and lifting capacity these days when you need them than to keep outdated lesser rates units operational - they had been decommissioned for a good few years prior to them being dismantled last year.

Ferguson Marine are linked to a consortium fronted by Babcock which are bidding for the Type 31 Frigate programme and FM are also actively looking into the old drydocks up river with an eye to undertaking ship repairs / fitting out. Peel Ports own a large stake in Cammell Laird therefore selling the drydock as a going concern would be a conflict of interest I would imagine.

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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #24 on: Nov 17, 2021, 10:02 AM »
BBC reported yesterday that the Inchgreen Dry Dock will be brought back to use again.  A long term deal has been signed with Atlas Decommissioning, a company that specialises in the decommissioning of marine infrastructure.  The article mentions that this was the dock were the QE2 was fitted out, which is not strictly true.  The QE2 was fitted out at the John Brown's shipyard's fitting out basin, but sailed to Inchgreen in 1968 where fitting out continued by shipyard workers and contractors. 

  You can read the full story in this BBC News article
« Last Edit: Nov 18, 2021, 10:04 AM by Lynda Bradford »
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Re: New owner for Inchgreen Dry Dock
« Reply #25 on: Nov 17, 2021, 10:29 AM »
It's great news that something is happening with it, but I'm sad it's not more ambitious.

This is one of the biggest and best dry docks in the UK, with open access to deep waters.  And what have we done?  Built a housing estate immediately adjacent to it, seriously limiting future possibilities...

However maybe up to 100 people dismantling ships there, might make someone imagine something more ambitious...

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