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Offline Hank Hargrove

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #15 on: Mar 16, 2017, 01:16 AM »
I will look into it, but I don't thing that we have the commercial docks anymore in The Netherlands, the navy still needs to dry dock there ships, but I don't thing that they would allow the Rotterdam anywhere near.


I do thing that she would need to go to Germany or UK, when she was converted after the tow from across the Ocean, she was first dry docked I believe in Gibraltar, after which she was towed to Willemshaven. Probably would she need to go to the UK, or back to Germany.

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Re: The conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #16 on: Mar 22, 2017, 03:36 PM »
One of the things that I always find a but sad was that when the Rotterdam came to Europe to be preserved there where plans original to sail the ship under here own power to Europe, instead of the final solution, towing here. I believe that they even wanted here to sail to Rotterdam also under here own power. Sadly it was a matter of money most of all, but also finding a crew that could man the ship was hard. Most of the original crew was retired, and the couple of years with Premier cruises didn't do here any good.


I do have a some information about the handing over from HAL to Premier and the propulsion system if anybody is interest, heard it from a previous engineer who worked on the ship around that time, and now is a volunteer tour guide back on his ship.

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Re: Re: The conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #17 on: Mar 22, 2017, 03:45 PM »
Hi Bob -

I would be very interested in hearing about Rotterdam's hand over from HAL to Premier.  I would also be very much interested in hearing about her propulsion system.  That is awesome that a previous engineer is now a volunteer tour guide on Rotterdam.

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #18 on: Mar 24, 2017, 01:10 AM »
When I visited the Rotterdam in 2013, the engine room tour was taken by a ships engineer, and as I was the only person on the tour he gave me a very detailed and interesting explanation of the powerplant.  He said that the standards of maintenance when Premier owned the ship were not good, and in Premier's last days there was a fault with one of the turbines which led to her doing several cruises on one engine only.  Apparently this fault was not remedied, and accordingly it was considered risky to use the engines again post the ships layup.  He also said that as the plant was not subject to appropriate maintenance during the post-Premier layup, that the main turbines were now seized. 

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #19 on: Mar 24, 2017, 11:14 AM »
That sums it up really, altough I have some more information related to the handing over which I will post here when I get home, sort of busy at the moment. Things weren't done that nice.

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #20 on: Mar 24, 2017, 05:09 PM »
It just blows my mind that people, whether they be a company or an individual, can be so irresponsible when dealing with something of the magnitude of a famous ship.  Even if it were not planned to use engines again in any ship's career, it still shows the utmost disrespect to not care for the engines.  Coming from an engine fanatic, an investment in their upkeep should be factored in the total upkeep of the ship.   >:(
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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #21 on: Mar 24, 2017, 08:15 PM »
What I was told during the guided tour by the former engineer was really shocking to me. During the handing over part of the ship some of the new crew went onboard to learn how things worked firsthand from the current crew. On the very first voyage out they where experiencing some issues, I believe that fuel got in the steam (or something like that, its a long time ago), don't hold me to that. So they flew member of the old crew back in to help them out, and even after that things did not really improve much. Basically the situation as described by mgmike.


Something that most of the old crew also do not like is the fact that the flooring was painted in the engine rooms. All of it is painted in a red/brown color. But during the HAL year, especially when the ship was still Dutch owned, every Saturday they would clean the flooring with diesel, to keep them nice and shiny. Some of the video that contain footage of the engine room that float around Youtube still show this. The new crew obviously didn't take the care to keep it that way, and simply painted it all over.




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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #22 on: Mar 26, 2017, 03:18 PM »
Just incredibly inept !

New crew for Rotterdam and new crew for QE2 and what do you have - two broken ships !
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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #23 on: Mar 26, 2017, 03:37 PM »
Just incredibly inept !

New crew for Rotterdam and new crew for QE2 and what do you have - two broken ships !

Did you know that when she was under Premier Cruises as Rembrandt a handfull of QE2 crew went over to work on her?


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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #24 on: Mar 26, 2017, 04:16 PM »
Do you know in what departement? I do believe that the crew from QE2 could have helped out in the various engineering departments.

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #25 on: Mar 26, 2017, 09:19 PM »
Do you know in what departement? I do believe that the crew from QE2 could have helped out in the various engineering departments.

They worked in the Hotel Department (Restaurant and Bars)

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Re: The conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #26 on: Mar 29, 2017, 06:10 PM »
One of the things that I always find a but sad was that when the Rotterdam came to Europe to be preserved there where plans original to sail the ship under here own power to Europe, instead of the final solution, towing here. I believe that they even wanted here to sail to Rotterdam also under here own power. Sadly it was a matter of money most of all, but also finding a crew that could man the ship was hard. Most of the original crew was retired, and the couple of years with Premier cruises didn't do her any good.

From one who spent time 'working' for Premier i can add my weight to that statement, it didn't do me any good either!  The best thing that happened to Premier was that they went bankrupt and ceased trading altogether.

 
« Last Edit: Mar 30, 2017, 12:27 AM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #27 on: Mar 30, 2017, 01:42 PM »
Was it always like that, ore did things go from good to bad when money become a issue?

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #28 on: Apr 01, 2017, 05:23 PM »
Was it always like that, ore did things go from good to bad when money become a issue?

During my time with Premier the main problem was the 'infighting' between Deck and Hotel Departments. Shore side wanted The Hotel Manager to have the final say on all things that happened onboard. Whereas the Law says that it's the Captain as it is he, and not the Hotel Manager, who is 'in charge' according to Maritime Law.

An example was i was called into the Hotel Manager's - a Brit aged 33 - office/cabin one day where he said; "If you see anything going on around the ship that is not 'legal' then come and tell me. We'll then decide if we need to go and tell the Captain."

A couple of days later i was called to see the Captain - a 45 year Greek who had been at sea all his life - to be 'told' the same thing, only the other way around!  "If you see anythnig  gonig wrong  or illegal around the ship you come and tell me and we'll decide if we need to tell Mr Steven." Steven Judge was the Hotel Manager.

In the end i had the 'last laugh' when i resigned. My wife and 3 children were gonig to join me on 2 cruises, a 4 and a 3 day trips down to Nasseau from Port Canaveral. When we had flown out from UK i had to buy a return ticket so that we could all travel on the same aircraft, as such when i arrived in USA US Immigration weren't interested in my C1D vise only my return to UK ticket and stamped my passport with a 90 day tourist visa. Hence when i decided  to resign, a very long and complicated story, i did not require any escort to the airport, much to Premier's annoyance and 'vanished' into Orlando. The company had booked us  into a hotel on our arrival in USA and we still had the booknig reference, so when we left the ship we just re-booked ourselves into the same hotel and charged it to Premier!  This was on the Friday, the Monday was a National Holiday and we checked out on the Tuesday. By the time Premier got the bill i was back in UK and no longer working for them! When my agency phoned me a couple of weeks later, trying to get me to pay the hotel bill, i just said, 'basically, NO!'  Several letters later they eventually gave up and obviously wrote it off. I found out some time later that Premier had charged my Agency for the hotel, another bit of 'justice' as far as i was concerned.
By this time i had been interviewed and accepted by Cunard.

What do i think about my time with Premier? It was good experience and i'm glad i did it but, it certainly taught me what was wrong about some Cruise Companies, which stood me in good stead in later years.

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Re: The Conversion of the SS Rotterdam to a hotel
« Reply #29 on: Apr 04, 2017, 08:16 AM »
i was called into the Hotel Manager's - a Brit aged 33 - office/cabin one day where he said; "If you see anything going on around the ship that is not 'legal' then come and tell me. We'll then decide if we need to go and tell the Captain."

I would have thought that in itself was illegal!