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HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« on: Jul 04, 2014, 01:01 PM »
Various people on Twitter are referring to the controversial new British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth as QE2.  I'm finding it annoying, and correcting them using our forum account, as I don't want it to be catching!!  HMSQE surely.

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #1 on: Jul 04, 2014, 01:25 PM »
Various people on Twitter are referring to the controversial new British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth as QE2.  I'm finding it annoying, and correcting them using our forum account, as I don't want it to be catching!!  HMSQE surely.

There will only ever be one QE2.

That is very annoying indeed. I would not want the name QE2 getting mixed up in military matters any more than absolutely unavoidable (the Falklands...).

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #2 on: Jul 04, 2014, 02:13 PM »
Adam Boulter of SKY NEWS tweeted
'Please @JayeSeckerSky & me talking Coulson and Harris sentences, Tour de France and new HMS QE2 from 1pm on #boultonandco'

#shouldknowbetter
« Last Edit: Jul 04, 2014, 02:17 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #3 on: Jul 04, 2014, 04:14 PM »
I think "HMS QEII" would be more appropriate as Her Majesty is Queen Elizabeth the Second not Queen Elizabeth Two. Or of course just HMS QE would be most appropriate as the actual name does not have II or 2.
« Last Edit: Jul 04, 2014, 04:16 PM by Adam Ilgin »

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #4 on: Jul 07, 2014, 06:24 PM »
I do believe that the Roman numerals II can only be applied to a monarch, and that is why our QE2 was named "2" instead of "II".  But definitely, the new war ship should not be called QE2. 
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #5 on: Jul 07, 2014, 06:47 PM »
QE2 was named in honor of RMS Queen Elizabeth. If she had been named after the Queen, she would be QEII.

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #6 on: Jul 07, 2014, 06:52 PM »
Hi Adam, I may need to be corrected, but it is my understanding that "II" can not be applied to an object such as a ship when a monarch carries the same designation.  Although as we all know, our beloved QE2 is not an object but very much a personality !  June   :)
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 07, 2014, 06:57 PM »
When Queen Mary was named, there was already a Clyde steamer named TS Queen Mary. Cunard negotiated with the steamer's owners to rename the steamer TS Queen Mary II. Also, when Queen Elizabeth was christening QE2, she called her "Queen Elizabeth the Second" after herself, even though she would later become "Queen Elizabeth Two". If Cunard had named her after the Queen, I'd think they would name her "Queen Elizabeth II" rather than "Queen Elizabeth the Second". Of course, I may be wrong. (As I have been in the past  >:(  :D)
« Last Edit: Jul 07, 2014, 07:00 PM by Adam Ilgin »

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #8 on: Jul 07, 2014, 07:04 PM »
Hi Adam - Thanks for your message.  It is all rather convoluted.  I do recall a definitive explanation of the naming and I am not sure if it is in Commodore Warwick's book or somewhere else.  We will have to search and find it.  There is in all probability a topic here on The Forum about it. June  :)
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #9 on: Jul 07, 2014, 07:15 PM »
Like I said, I may be wrong. That is just what I know. I don't think Cunard wanted QE2 to be called Queen Elizabeth the Second and changed it, I think it was a spur of the moment thing by the Queen. So maybe there is some maritime thing against Roman numerals, and the Queen didn't know about it.
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #11 on: Jul 07, 2014, 07:33 PM »
Hi Adam - Thanks for your message.  It is all rather convoluted.  I do recall a definitive explanation of the naming and I am not sure if it is in Commodore Warwick's book or somewhere else.  We will have to search and find it.  There is in all probability a topic here on The Forum about it. June  :)

The topic you are looking for is here :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,3731.0.html

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #12 on: Jul 07, 2014, 07:38 PM »
I wonder why, then, the Queen launched her as "the Second"? From wikipedia, even though they are not very trustworthy: "The Queen launched the ship with the words "I name this ship Queen Elizabeth the Second,"[115] the normal short form of address of the monarch, Elizabeth II herself. The following day, the New York Times[116] and British Times printed the name as "Queen Elizabeth II", the short form of written style of the monarch. However, when the liner left the shipyard in 1968 she bore the name Queen Elizabeth 2 on her bow, and has continued to do so ever since." http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_2#Launch

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #13 on: Jul 07, 2014, 07:45 PM »
The topic you are looking for is here :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,3731.0.html

Hi Isabelle -

Thank you very much for pointing us in the direction of the above link.  It explains it all and is very good reading !

June   :)
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #14 on: Jul 07, 2014, 08:01 PM »
We've covered her name in depth elsewhere but essentially the queen made a mistake and caused a massive stooshie in Scotland because she's only our first Queen Elizabeth.

QE2 - what's in her name - https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,3731.0.html
« Last Edit: Jul 07, 2014, 08:03 PM by Rob Lightbody »
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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #15 on: Jul 09, 2014, 04:50 PM »
I certainly hope not.  HMS Queen Elizabeth is just that.  Full stop.  As far as I am aware there is no '2' about it.  In our Naval history has there ever been a previous HMS Queen Elizabeth?  To follow possibly at some point in the future we may have HMS Prince of Wales.

Cunard's current Queen Elizabeth is also just that.  Full stop.  The earlier RMS Queen Elizabeth (the one which caught fire and sank) as far as I am aware was named after the Queen Mother and not our current Queen.  So our lovely QE2 was given the '2' following on, (although I believe named after our current Queen) and of course our Queen Mary 2 following on from the Queen Mary now in Los Angeles.

When HMS Queen Elizabeth is 'up and running' in a few years' time I am just waiting for some 'bright spark' at the MoD to try to send Cunard's Queen Elizabeth on Naval manouvres instead of HMS Queen Elizabeth.  This may be slightly avoidable now as Cunard's Queen Elizabeth as far as I am aware has now dropped the 'RMS' and is now MS Queen Elizabeth following their departure to Bermuda.  Otherwise it would have been RMS Queen Elizabeth against HMS Queen Elizabeth!!!!

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #16 on: Oct 02, 2015, 10:27 AM »
Had to wonder yesterday - I was listening to a chap on talkback radio (ZB Radio, Auckland, NZ) telling all and sundry about the fantastic, cheap cruise he and his family experienced LAST YEAR on the QE2!!!!

He got discounted tickets as the owners were trying to fill the ship.

Some people really don't know which planet they are living on, let alone which day of the week it is???

Skilly

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Re: HMS Queen Elizabeth being referred to as QE2
« Reply #17 on: Oct 02, 2015, 10:40 AM »
HMS Queen Elizabeth revives a name last used for the lead vessel of the Queen Elizabeth class of Super Dreadnought battleship.

HMS Queen Elizabeth was built at Portsmouth Dockyard, launched in 1913 and entered service in 1915. She lasted through WWII and was broken up at Dalmuir, River Clyde in 1948.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship

So the carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth has absolutely no connection whatsoever with QE2.

But then WE all knew that anyway!!!

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Gav
« Last Edit: Oct 02, 2015, 10:50 AM by Clydebuilt1971 »