Author Topic: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2  (Read 5612 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Rob Lightbody

  • Administrator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 12287
  • Total likes: 15726
  • Helping to Keep The Legend Alive
    • Rob Lightbody dot com
Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« on: Aug 27, 2013, 11:44 AM »
It has come to my knowledge that our site is watched with interest by at least some of the people involved with some of the hotel plans for QE2. They're also using us a reference site.  These are the plans requested by Oceanic on the QE2 Hotels website.

Whether they ever come to pass remains to be seen, but for the record...

While being realistic, what do we consider are the *absolute minimum* requirements for what they should retain of the QE2 when converted to a hotel?
« Last Edit: Aug 27, 2013, 12:03 PM by Rob Lightbody »
Passionate about QE2's service life for 40 years and creator of this website.  I have worked in IT for 28 years and created my personal QE2 website in 1994.

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #1 on: Aug 27, 2013, 04:13 PM »
While being realistic, what do we consider are the *absolute minimum* requirements for what they should retain of the QE2 when converted to a hotel?

Well, let me start with these...

The steel hull
The funnel
The Midships Lobby
The Princess Grill and Bar
The Queen's Room ceiling and columns

Offline ship pro

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #2 on: Aug 27, 2013, 04:53 PM »
The Wardroom
Engine room
Bridge
cinema

Offline Graham Taylor

Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #3 on: Aug 27, 2013, 04:56 PM »
Some of the QG cabins below, designated as Heritage Cabins:

The one deck midships cabins designed by Dennis Lennon.

The two deck midships cabins designed by Stefan Buzas

Chartroom Bar complete with Queen Mary piano.

D Stairway restored to the original design (Dennis Lennon?)

Some of the Officer's quarters as part of a museum trail showcasing the brilliant and ergonomic design.
« Last Edit: Aug 28, 2013, 01:44 PM by Graham Taylor »
Hotel Officer/Purser 1987-1993

FACEBOOK - www.facebook.com/Graham.Malcolm.Taylor
TWITTER - www.twitter.com/GrahamTaylorUK
BLUESKY - grahamtayloruk.bsky.social

Offline Graham Taylor

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #4 on: Aug 27, 2013, 05:05 PM »

The Wardroom
Engine room
Bridge
cinema

I'd like the Wardroom to survive as well, but can't see any space on boat deck remaining in it's current form. Most likely this space will be used for the top end suites and residences, perhaps dividing up the open deck space as private verandah. I can see the wardroom becoming a two story cocktail bar linking up with the Mauri extension kitchen below with the terrace reinstated and the kitchen "box" removed.
Hotel Officer/Purser 1987-1993

FACEBOOK - www.facebook.com/Graham.Malcolm.Taylor
TWITTER - www.twitter.com/GrahamTaylorUK
BLUESKY - grahamtayloruk.bsky.social

Offline riskygizmo

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #5 on: Aug 27, 2013, 08:19 PM »
Can't argue with any of the above. The main bit of advice is to think of Her as a work of art.
Full Away on Passage.

Online Peter Mugridge

  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 3590
  • Total likes: 3416
  • At Mach 2 three days after being on QE2...
Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #6 on: Aug 27, 2013, 09:56 PM »
Some of the cabins below, designated as Heritage Cabins

These should be the ones forward of the 5 Deck portside forward hatch as the area forward of here is full of those oddly shaped cabins that you just do not find these days but which made such efficient use of the space available; there are also sufficient standard cabins between the hatch and the oddly shaped ones that it would allow a representation of what the majority of the M class cabins were like.

Keeping this area "as is" would serve the dual purpose of preserving that important part of the ship's heritage, perhaps even in use as ( budget ) guest accomodation, while allowing the bulk of the deck to be given larger cabins if need be. Such a conversion is also easier aft of that hatch because that hatch is more or less at the point which marks the transition from the bow area to the straight hull area.

As for re-branding... a definite no, they shouldn't.  The name Queen Elizabeth 2 is a vital part of the ship's heritage and appeal.
« Last Edit: Aug 27, 2013, 09:58 PM by Peter Mugridge »
"It is a capital mistake to allow any mechanical object to realise that you are in a hurry!"

Online cunardqueen

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #7 on: Aug 28, 2013, 05:43 PM »
Treat the QE2 with the respect she deserves, She demands nothing less and we expect no more .
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

Offline Alan Snelson

  • Global Moderator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 1115
  • Total likes: 838
  • Ships Photographer '78 - '82
Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #8 on: Aug 28, 2013, 07:16 PM »
These should be the ones forward of the 5 Deck portside forward hatch as the area forward of here is full of those oddly shaped cabins that you just do not find these days but which made such efficient use of the space available; there are also sufficient standard cabins between the hatch and the oddly shaped ones that it would allow a representation of what the majority of the M class cabins were like.

These cabins Peter talks of were pretty much all concession staff cabins during my time on board, mainly Casino, photographers, some Steiner senior staff and a few Cruise staff. Peter is certainly right about the use of space, Ikea could get some ideas from there! I too think them worthy of being preserved.

The QE2 sitting in Dubai is not really the same one that is sitting in my mind and sadly the two things that I would like to have been kept have already gone, those being The Midships Bar in Green and Black and the Spiral Staircase in the Double Room.

For me now, the main thing to preserve would be her beautiful profile. Don't chop anything off or weld anything else on.
Don't just be part of her past, be part of her history!

Online Rob Lightbody

  • Administrator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 12287
  • Total likes: 15726
  • Helping to Keep The Legend Alive
    • Rob Lightbody dot com
Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #9 on: Sep 08, 2013, 02:21 PM »
Here's my thoughts.

Essential

Retain Queens Room (1968 design classic)
Retain Princess Grill Restaurant and Bar (1968 design classic)
Retain integral structure and strength of ship (QM Mistake)
Retain engine room (QM Mistake)
Retain exterior look of entire ship (why mess with perfection)
Retain internal wraparound promenades. (essence of the ship)
Retain boat deck and outdoor tiered decks aft.  (essence of the ship)
Retain selection of original staterooms, even if others are lost. (museum)
Make the ship-hotel have the illusion of being ready to sail (QM mistake, Rotterdam got it right)

Highly desirable

No Naff add-ons such as glass-funnels.
Keep all original staterooms on 1-deck and most of 2 and 3 deck.  These can be joined together if necessary.
Keep selection of even the smallest category of cabin for historical reference and museum use.
Passionate about QE2's service life for 40 years and creator of this website.  I have worked in IT for 28 years and created my personal QE2 website in 1994.

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #10 on: Sep 09, 2013, 06:01 PM »
I agree with everything Rob says.

Several of the original as built designs would be awesome in a hotel, the Queens Room being at top of the list, as well as keeping the Princess Grill as is.

Would be great to see the exterior de-cluttered, the restoration of the lookout bar and its windows would look stunning....

Improving the terraces at the rea would be great, the windows/windshields havn't look too good since they were configured as is, so a tidy up there would help.

Keeping the bridge and anyother key operations parts of the ship, including the engine rooms, in good order and open to public viewing would be excellent.

Deffinatly learn from the mistakes of the Queen Mary!

I believe the conversion if done well, could be a great opportunity for the ships, and its fans, so much of it's original style was dumbed down during its life, this could be an awesome opporunity to give the ship back some of its original pioneering spirit, even if not actually at sea.

How about the original colour scheme for the boat deck and its davits? How about a new version of the original space age look for the lobby? how about a showcase of art (on display, not on sale) from places significant to the ships history? a cultural celbration of the ship's world cruising heritage, with an empahsis on the places most closely associated with it?

Overall, a look in keeping with the spirit of the original design, even if not replicating them exactly would work. No titanice-sque tack, theres enough 'fake old' floating around in modern cruise ships! Just a contemporary celebration of this ships original style, updated a little.

Unique details like the glass doors and their leather work and handles, themes liek that which the ship has carried since new, a nice restoration of the unity that once went through all public areas....

So many ideas, i'll stop there!

The Virtual Staff Captain

Offline Twynkle

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #11 on: Oct 16, 2013, 10:14 AM »
Please could any Naval Architect / interior  designer who may well not have experienced being on board QE2 spend time here on the Forum, looking in particular at the links to Andy F, Pepperrn, Isabelle's, Rob's  images (links below) and links to the thousands of QE2 photographs posted on Flickr.
There are topics here that can be studied in depth - particularly those posted by Michael Gallagher where the originals 'essence' of QE2 can be seen and copied.

There is a book 'QE2, A Voyage of discovery, by Carol Thatcher assisted by Mr Gallagher that would be well worth the designers having a good look at Before drawing a single line!

Won't Restoration of QE2 to a hotel-ship will depend much on the philosophy of the designers and the aims and purpose that the ship is required to fulfill?
Is the ship going to be a 'sight-seeing' experience, or need to adopt more of a 'vacational' / 'residential' feel?
Is she going to be used mainly as a Casino Ship?
The aims and objectives will be crucial to define, in the planning stages.

As well as retaining the Bridge in tact, as well as the Bridge wings,
The steps up to the Observation Deck, and the Observation deck itself,
the Engine Room inc. the ECR,
and the Wardroom,
please keep the Queen's Room,
The Library
The Theatre
The Chart Room,
especially theUnique Glass Panel with Maritime Quotations,
The Midships Lobby
and All the Restaurants, and Grills as they are,
especially the Princess Grill stairs and Bar.
Importantly too, the Yacht Club must be preserved.

Thanks to Andy Fitzsimmons and 'Pepperrn' for these excellent images:
Public areas
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitzsimmons/sets/72157607607484302/
Bars and Restaurants
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitzsimmons/sets/72157607610299391/
Heritage Collection
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitzsimmons/sets/72157607611377039/
QE2 Interiors
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pepperrn/sets/72157624015624892/


Collections
https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=20215714@N00&q=QE2
https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=55206992@N00&q=QE2

Many thanks to Rob for the opportunity to make suggestions.
Rosie
« Last Edit: Oct 16, 2013, 06:26 PM by Twynkle »

Offline Twynkle

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2014, 11:33 AM »
It's now SIX Months since Rob began this topic - To the planners, Where are You, the people involved with QE2?
When we know your thoughts and intentions, we will take these extremely seriously.
As you will realise, we have made considerable efforts to provide what we can for you and we very much hope that these ideas are of use to you.

What seems startling is the fact that after the years of care, concern and funds provided for QE2, she is now looking absolutely destitute. The apparent lack of interest from those concerned could seem like an insult to all those who have striven in looking after her, and those who continue to strive to keep QE2 'alive'.

This is the world's most famous ship - when will you be doing more to make her earn her living?
This isn't any old ship - QE2 should be making you proud - she could be earning you a fortune...
Neglect isn't a word that immediately comes to mind - it would be shameful if we used it - it would imply that as her owners, you might not care about the ship.
QE2 must have cost you a great deal - please, please can you do your absolute best to help keep her reputation something that you can still be proud of?
It would be helpful please, and much appreciated if those who are close to the planners and owners could get in touch and keep us posted!
You are in a position to make a considerable difference to the ship, as well as to what she represents and her future..

Offline PaulInuk

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #13 on: Nov 01, 2014, 09:29 PM »
I think the funnel is going to be a viewing platform
paul

Offline PaulInuk

Re: Our message for those making plans for Hotel QE2
« Reply #14 on: Dec 31, 2014, 08:29 AM »
I cant see why anything should be changed, keep her original,

 

Deck Plans

Started by Adam IlginBoard Sea Shanties

Replies: 0
Views: 1252
Last post Mar 09, 2015, 12:52 AM
by Adam Ilgin
QE2 Hotel Iftar 2019

Started by Rob LightbodyBoard QE2 Hotel Dubai (2018 onwards)

Replies: 5
Views: 820
Last post May 13, 2019, 09:53 PM
by Thomas Hypher
QE2 to be a budget hotel?

Started by Rob LightbodyBoard QE2 News while in Lay-up (2008 to 2018)

Replies: 10
Views: 2184
Last post Mar 23, 2018, 06:00 PM
by Rob Lightbody
British Pathe Film: Making the QE2 lifeboats

Started by Rob LightbodyBoard QE2 build film footage/videos

Replies: 14
Views: 7289
Last post Aug 14, 2017, 11:53 PM
by Twynkle
Photos taken outside, on board QE2 Hotel Dubai

Started by Rob LightbodyBoard QE2 Hotel Dubai (2018 onwards)

Replies: 13
Views: 851
Last post Apr 03, 2021, 11:36 PM
by Rod