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Offline Cruisemarsh

Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« on: Jan 06, 2012, 11:18 PM »
I know there is Queen Mary 2, Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth (and I know we are in difficult financial times) but does anyone think Cunard will venture forth to build another ship in the next decade or so? If so, what type of design would everyone like to see? Tonnage and technical stats etc?

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Offline Jeff Taylor

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 23, 2012, 09:35 PM »
I'm not sure where I read it, but my understanding is that they're done for now.  If they were to build another, however, it surely wouldn't be a transatlantic QM2 type, but rather another nondescript Vista class similar to QE and QV (as well as all the other Carnival variants).

Offline Twynkle

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #2 on: Mar 23, 2012, 10:14 PM »
What about a small, beautifully designed and extremely well appointed luxury ship...?
A new class - The Mini-Liner!

Offline Jeff Taylor

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 24, 2012, 06:02 PM »
If I were Micky Arrison, and thank goodness I'm not although I'd enjoy his money, I'd assign such a ship to Seaborne rather than Cunard.  Yes?

Matteo 91

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Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 24, 2012, 10:00 PM »
If I were Micky Arrison, and thank goodness I'm not although I'd enjoy his money

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Offline Rod

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 24, 2012, 10:30 PM »
This whole idea of another Cunard ship, sadly to my mind is DEAD! My outlaws have travelled on both the QM and QV I think it was, and they were sadly disappointed.. They had sailed many times on Saga, Vista, and QE2 before I got involved with their daughter. It was all about service and atmosphere. They got the distinct impression on both the new Queens that ...while the decor, the food, the furnishings etc were fit for a Queen, basically in the way the product was handed down, from check in to check out was more fit for a Motel 6. Never once during any voyage at check in or out where they addressed by name for example. At my hotel that is a writing up offence! Cabin service: my FIL asked for a Champagne bucket and 2 glasses and a napkin so they could celebrate a major wedding anniversary. Never appeared...he had to use the issued ice bucket. My outlaws are not difficult people to work for...and thats what strewards and stewardesses do. They are good tippers for good service as well. Their whole impression was that the crew were there to do the minimum job.  That is not Cunard.

Offline Bruce Nicholls

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 25, 2012, 10:49 AM »
I agree with Rod. My Mum & Stepfather were devoted QE2 sailors. They tried QV and didn't really like the modern incarnation of classic. They have now switched to P&O which they much prefer and are off again soon, arriving back in Southampton on the day the whole fleet are in. Carnival are still getting their money though!

Pat Curry

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Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 25, 2012, 02:45 PM »
I agree with Rod. My Mum & Stepfather were devoted QE2 sailors. They tried QV and didn't really like the modern incarnation of classic. They have now switched to P&O which they much prefer and are off again soon, arriving back in Southampton on the day the whole fleet are in. Carnival are still getting their money though!

Carnival Corp will follow market forces. The company owns over 100 cruise ships is continuing to build more.  Cruising is still, it seems, a growth market despite the world's economic gloom.  Carnival's brands cater for all levels of service, price point and pax expectations. They can play chess with new builds and can place new ships (as with QV) into whichever of their lines needs new ships. 

As for their Cunard brand, I never thought they would make three Queens profitable when they announced they would come into service (especially when the proposed QV Vista was reassigned to P & O).

But they seem to be putting bums on seat, as the Yanks say, on all three.

QM2 is still the only liner and her Trannys are still viable (albeit at 8 days not the 4.5 she is capable of) and she has decades of operational life to go yet.

If the demand for such crossings declines, so will the crossings.

In the unlikely event a new market were to emerge and pax wanted a fast crossing at any cost, ( the seabourne  business market equivalent of Concorde) QM2 would fulfill that role, and if the demand was sufficient, another Cunard 30 knot liner might be built.

As for service, it is highly relevant to a shipping line's success and profitablity. 

The hotel manager hopes for 100%. Passengers expect it.

But it is so very personal.  One cabin may be neglected while another gets all it requested one day and vise versa at the next request.  The cabin steward may have been besieged by orders or was simply feeling poorly, or frankly may not be as efficient as the steward up the corridor. One only just goes through her/his paces, another cannot do enough for you. Same with waiters and bar staff. The purser, (perpetually harassed by pax demands / complaints) may fail to smile or omit to address a pax by name.  It may be nothing to the crew member, but all important to the passenger.

Is one line better than another?  The demand to employ crew is very high. Whether a perspective crew member gets placed onto Carnival line itself or Cunard is presumably largely luck of the draw, and depends on which ship needs what crew. Those signed up to be serving crew will have to come face to face with pax which ever ship they are on.  Most new recruits are very young, and come from many countries with varied cultures.  They have to be trained and many do not last beyond their first 4 month contract.  So it's high turnover.

Some on that first contract are home sick, some sea sick; some hate it , some love it.  Yes, even they are human and no training prepares them for having to cope with passenger tantrums and whiles of the minority (I emphasis NOT ALL pax), but it only takes a few 'nasties' to sour a day's work or even a cruise. 

There was always a big manifest of long term crew on QE2  to whom the job was their profession. QE2 was their only ship and they literally loved working on her.  They were in the majority and their long term experience saw the new crew through their first weeks and months.   

The demise of QE2 split up many long term crew friendships.  Some left the sea, others went onto Cunard's other ships, or to other lines.  All that accumulated knowledge, brand loyalty, continuity and experience was dispersed or lost.  Besides Carnival/Cunard operate differently from QE2's previous owners, and some of the 'old ways', little things which made Cunard unique, were discontinued.

The grass is always greener as we look back in time, but it is a fact that any remaining long term Cunard hotel crew are in the minority and split across the three ships.

It means there is a greater proportion of 'new crew' who have little or no brand loyalty.   It is little wonder that service levels anywhere in the cruise industry are what not they used to be.
« Last Edit: Mar 25, 2012, 08:45 PM by Queet-two »

Leovinus

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Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #8 on: Apr 18, 2012, 10:07 PM »
I fear Queet-Two is right in most regards, Carnival would only expand on the Cunard brand if there was sufficient customer pressure to do so. Even then I actually find it difficult for Carnival to justify. Cunard is most likely not allowed to branch out and cater to anything but the current mould allows as Carnival works by providing different lines for different tastes, and no brand is allowed to impinge on another. Where once Cunard was a competitor it is now a sibling... Thus it has to play nice and share.

With that said, I see a Caronia/Vistafjord sized vessel fitting nicely with both past (I.e mirroring the original Caronia) and present (offering Cunard service and surroundings on a smaller and more personable ship). I fear such a ship would be viewed as already existing in another brand however. It's a logic that, while being economically sound, completely misses the point Cunard fans try to make. I guess it is simply what happens when you transform a competitive entity into a mere brand.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2012, 08:31 AM by Lynda »

Offline Rod

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 11:41 PM »
It is not Cunard, it is Carnivals idea of Cunard!
Frankly I am am glad I got out when I did.
I will not discuss this in an open forum because I do not wish to upset those of you that think Cunard still exists. PM me if you wish

Offline Andy F

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #10 on: Jun 19, 2012, 11:37 PM »
It is not Cunard, it is Carnivals idea of Cunard!
Maybe so Rod but had it not been for Carnival then almost certainly there would be no Cunard and QE2 would have left us sooner than she did. 

As to whether 'Cunard' will build another ship, I suspect so but likely this would only be as a future replacement for the existing vessels.
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Offline Rod

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #11 on: Jul 15, 2012, 12:27 PM »
Maybe so Rod but had it not been for Carnival then almost certainly there would be no Cunard and QE2 would have left us sooner than she did. 

As to whether 'Cunard' will build another ship, I suspect so but likely this would only be as a future replacement for the existing vessels.

Andy, that is very true. No argument there. But, I still say that when Carnival took over Cunard ceased to exsist. Sure the name was there, but little else. One of the reasons I have such great admiration for John Duffy is that he did his level best to keep  the "Cunard" in Carnival. I hope he writes a memoir!

Offline CAP

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #12 on: Jul 16, 2012, 10:22 AM »
Interesting debate regarding Cunard.

My addition is it depends on what your definition or perception of Cunard is? 

Depending upon your answer perhaps Cunard ceased to exist when taken over in 1971 by THI.  Trafalgar House, Carnival and to a certain extent Kvaerner all have tried to do something to stimulate and keep (to quote the oft used term) "the brand" alive.

John Duffy started his career as part of the original company, perhaps these roots help make him so popular.

Offline qe2-I-luved-it

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #13 on: Feb 08, 2013, 03:48 AM »
In 2007 while I was cruising on the qe2 someone I met who worked with cunard 20 years told me cunard was just a name nothing more nothing less. a pale imitation of its former self. 

I met up with a friend (john pearce) just weeks after my cruise ended to show him some photo's of my cruise and the qe2. 

He told me himself that when he worked for cunard on the sylvania and queen mary in the 1960's he was proud to do so. I got to hear some of his funny stories from those times but one thing that stood out to me as he spoke about his life with cunard was the the commitment to passenger service at a high level.

He once told me while he was working in one of the dinning rooms on the queen mary there was a lady who was a bit of a battle axe who would time the waiters with a stop watch from the kitchen to the dinning table for there effiencty. one of waiters my friend knew who came from liverpool couldn't hack the pressure and so cryed like a baby becuase the pressure the stop watch lady had him under untill my friend manged to pull him toghether. so yes id say cunard is no longer cunard after listening what people say. its a watered down name that plays on its more glorious hay day past.  as the song goes, eveything changes. even if we like it or not!  But I have to say. Ill be mad if they did somthing bad to the qe2.

Offline Cunarder Man

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #14 on: Feb 08, 2013, 01:49 PM »
Having just returned from a cruise on Queen Victoria there is obviously a huge market for cruising and it is my impression that if there was another Cunarder on the oceans then it would be filled too. Good on Carnival for saving Cunard, their marketing and strategic planners are getting it right and it is clear, as other commentators note, that 'they' are catering predominantly for the American market. Personally I have no issue with this. The Cunarders tend to have British Officers, but I can see this changing in the future. However, an observation, there are very few other British crew on the ships.

I am very likely to continue booking with Cunard in the future and I look forward to the day when we may see another Cunarder in the fleet. A replica QE2 would just be fine.
« Last Edit: Feb 08, 2013, 01:53 PM by Cunarder Man »

Offline holynougat

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #15 on: Apr 22, 2013, 07:47 AM »
Given Carnivals habit of growing all of their brands (AIDA being a good example) I don't see why there should not be another ship in the next few years.
I think that the only way that Cunard will 'improve' would be for it to be broken away from Carnival UK and put back with Seabourn as a 'Luxury' division.
I can't be the only one who sees that Cunard and Seabourn make more sense than Cunard and P&O or Holland America and Seabourn?

Offline Trevor Harris

Re: Will Cunard ever build another ship?
« Reply #16 on: Oct 08, 2017, 03:26 AM »
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