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bobso

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QE2 Model--Help please
« on: Aug 05, 2011, 07:42 AM »
As the modellers amongst us know--i am going to be starting my build of the QE2 in 1/450 scale by Gunze-Sanyo in the Autumn. I am going to light it up with hundreds of LED's and Fibre Optic cables for the ultra small lights. I intend lighting the model in areas rather then lighting the entire ship. To this end i am gathering the materials required now.I already have the small P.C. board for the switch bank.
The 10 "dip" switches are on their way, the welding rod for the "bus-bars" i also have. The wire and the LED's and Fibre Optic cable i have.
This where i would like to "Pick-you-Brains"--  i am going to use 9 switches to light up different parts of the liner. What areas would you recommend to light up together? Would the bridge area be lit with subdued lighting at night? and if so what colour lighting was used? Would the entire upper deck areas be lit at the same time or did they just light-- say the pool area aft? Also--the Red and Green "Running" lights on the bridge--where EXACTLY are these lights fitted.I am enclosing some pictures of the bridge areas but i just can not seem to find a good picture of where these lights are positioned.
If any member can help me with information and also close up pictures of the "Running Lights"  lights i would be very grateful.
Thank you all in advance.




Offline Stowaway2k

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #1 on: Aug 05, 2011, 10:21 AM »
Hi Bobso

I'm looking forward to vicariously building your model with you.   ;)

In your third photo, the one looking up at the underside of the port bridgewing, the dark square you see is the housing for the port running light.
The same place for the same purpose on the starboard side.

Could you do your lighting different ways?  For instance can you do a in-port configuration and an at-sea configuration of the lighting?
For instance, having the funnel and the bridge illuminated when she's in port, but not at sea...

Have fun!   ;D

Offline CAP

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #2 on: Aug 05, 2011, 11:11 AM »
Bobso

Hopefully these may help, I am of course presuming that your model is of QE2 as she is today!

The first three photos are of her at Liverpool, the third is her heading out to sea. Apologies for the grainy and shakey nature of the images the ferryboat wasn't the most stable.

On the last one you should be able to make out both the port and starboard lights (they are very small and located in the bridge wing pillars) additionally there is also a runnng light on her mast.  At the time she was at speed heading to New York.


I do have further nightime close-ups of her looking form the Lido etc.

« Last Edit: Aug 05, 2011, 05:21 PM by CAP »

Online Twynkle

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #3 on: Aug 05, 2011, 11:17 AM »
When she was in service, wasn't her wheelhouse dark at night, and torches used.
There was lighting on the stairways, as well as the Bit Beneath the Bridge.....?
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #4 on: Aug 05, 2011, 12:18 PM »
When she was in service, all the lights in the public areas were always on, day or night. I only discovered this here in the Forum -- on board, I had just simply taken it for granted and never observed it properly.

Lights in the cabins would have depended on the occupants -- some bright, some dim and some off.

The funnel and mast would have been lit in port, but not at sea.

It would be lovely if you could include the navigation lights in their respective colours!


Offline Andy F

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #5 on: Aug 05, 2011, 03:23 PM »
and not forgetting the white navigation light on her funnel
Start every day with a smile and get it over with

Online Twynkle

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #6 on: Aug 05, 2011, 04:04 PM »
Day and night duties on the bridge of any ship are the same....

Watch keeping at night is not much different to daytime. An experienced deck officer is perfectly at home in pitch darkness and will pick up details that most other people will miss. The hardest part of keeping a night watch is your first couple of watches on a new ship. You are not familiar with the positions of all the important bridge equipment (kettle) and need to keep using a torch. Once you are familiar with the bridge you know where everything is by feel.....
Paul

Might this be of help?
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #7 on: Aug 05, 2011, 04:57 PM »
and not forgetting the white navigation light on her funnel

... and on the mast they were red when she travelled in shallow waters :


Constrained by her draught by prondis_in_kenya, on Flickr

Online Twynkle

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #8 on: Aug 06, 2011, 11:02 AM »
Bobso
About the funnel- and the different designs etc
If you have a look under advanced search for 'funnel'
This may help!
I am fairly certain have a photo of the light, taken from alongside as we sailed out with her in the evening of 11/11/08
And will post it later when re-united with my mac!
Do you know the date of your model?
You may have to make a wee light 'container'' for it!
Has it got a whistle as well?!!! Hope so :-)
« Last Edit: Aug 06, 2011, 02:11 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Offline Alistair

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #9 on: Aug 06, 2011, 11:08 AM »
ooohhhh....there's a challenge for you bobso.....a working whistle.  8)

Offline Andy F

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #10 on: Aug 06, 2011, 01:08 PM »
Bobso

No need to apologise and pleased to help. That's the one I was referring to and if you check out my Flickr site https://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitzsimmons/collections/72157607613822155/ no doubt there will be others but have included a few shots below of the light both lit and unlit (the former also shows the stbd side funnel illumination lighting):

« Last Edit: Aug 06, 2011, 01:13 PM by Andy F »
Start every day with a smile and get it over with

Online Twynkle

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #11 on: Aug 06, 2011, 02:06 PM »
Great images, Andy!

Bobso - in Andy's other images of the same set, there are three (I think) pairs of lights on her mast too,
as well as definitely one immediately beneath her whistles, approx. two thirds down her great mast, and possibly another on top of her mastas well as a good image of the red port light.

Also, why not take a look at Myles' (Cunardqueen) image here?!
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1610.0.html

And what about her floodlights...? ;) :)
These were situated throughout her superstructure - with at least two,
possibly more - facing upwards on the deck of the Bit Beneath the Bridge.

Your ship is going to be splendid - can't wait to see the finished article.
Eventually, you could probably do a roaring trade here!!

About the wheelhouse at night - it really was - like all other ships, totally in the dark.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitzsimmons/3041927105/in/set-72157609401491851
This image of Andy's may well help too.

(Hope that your son's recovering....and will feel better soon.
It was a night 'on watch' for you)
« Last Edit: Aug 06, 2011, 03:26 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Offline Andy F

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #12 on: Aug 06, 2011, 02:43 PM »
and not forgetting the aft nav lights below the ensign staff:

« Last Edit: Aug 06, 2011, 02:54 PM by Andy F »
Start every day with a smile and get it over with

Online Twynkle

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #13 on: Aug 07, 2011, 09:08 AM »
Bobso -
A ship has a foghorn - and a whistle!

and Jungle James has a rhyme "Horn on land, whistle at sea'
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,148.msg13898.html#msg13898

and more around post #82 here:
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,206.0/all.html

Won't your QE2 have both, a foghorn and whistle?  ;) :)

Here's a reminder of her magnificent sound
with a description of the whistles in the comments!
Thanks to carljesper

PS - To answer your question, you might find the appropriate  answer here -
it could well be something to do with tradition in the RN... :)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Why+is+a+ship's+horn+called+a+whistle%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=8UQ-TsboGtGxhQfom8GkAg
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Online Twynkle

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #14 on: Aug 07, 2011, 02:43 PM »
Bobso

QE2's foghorn is a permanent fixture and is situated at the top of the tripod stand just forward of the anchoring equipment
Isabelle's pictures show it here:


QE2 foghorn


Anchor chains, capstans and fog horn


Hosing down the foredeck

There's a great image taken looking back towards the Bridge, and into the 'speaker' of the foghorn
I've searched and to no avail - someone else will know who took it!

The whistles are situated on her mast
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nickherber/2988293372/in/set-1587405/

Happy modelling!
« Last Edit: Aug 07, 2011, 06:44 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #15 on: Aug 07, 2011, 05:29 PM »
There's a great image taken looking back towards the Bridge, and into the 'speaker' of the foghorn
I've searched and to no avail - someone else will know who took it!

Here it is, bobso and Rosie :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1749.msg22187.html#msg22187

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #16 on: Aug 07, 2011, 06:46 PM »
The first of my pictures shown above by Rosie is of the foghorn as seen from below (you can just make out a tiny bit of the Q of the ship's name!).

The second puts it in context.

The third shows the sheer size of the foghorn in comparison with the crew member (I was focusing on the crew member's activities, hence the foghorn is not complete there -- apologies for that).

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #17 on: Aug 07, 2011, 09:22 PM »
The size of the foghorn is also very obvious in this group photo :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1958.msg36611.html#msg36611

cos918

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Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #18 on: Aug 08, 2011, 06:55 PM »
Hello
The 3 red lights on her mast when lit means restricted manouvering. Are normal on when leaving port or enterning port.
To do these. Cut 6 small lenght of 1 mm fiber optic. put a clean 45 deg cut on one end . get 6 long length and put a clean 45 deg cut on one end clue the 2 ,45deg ends to gether using a clear non fog super glue. drill out the 6 mast light with a 1 mm drill. paint the inside of the mast black this stop light blead. clue in the fiber optics and clue the 2 half of the mast together. on the 6 long length do one cut throug all of them so that the are all at the same length . get a red led . get some heat shrink and slide this ove the led + the 6 fiber optics .

I have light up several models. It take a lot of time an experminting to get the correct effect. the smaller the scale the harde the task. here are some of the models I have done.
Post 69 smit rotherdam
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=847256&page=5
 Celestine
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=817609&page=6

John
Ps thought about making your QE2 sail

Offline Waverley

Re: QE2 Model--Help please
« Reply #19 on: Aug 26, 2011, 05:35 PM »
Hello,   If you go to my Flickr site you will find a short video showing a close up of the port navigation light.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/30875458@N07/sets/72157622691747610/

Hope this helps.
Robert