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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #60 on: Mar 06, 2014, 02:12 PM »
Thank you very much, Isabelle, for posting the link to this wonderful article about Captain Bates, and yes, he always mentions our QE2.  How absolutely wonderful !  And it certainly sounds like Captain Bates is doing many exciting things and thoroughly enjoying them !  June
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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #61 on: Nov 30, 2014, 02:31 PM »
We were coming in to Gib I think, Nick was on the Fo'c'sle with a radio, Quote  "10 feet from the Quay" - pause - "5 feet from the Quay" - pause - WHUMP, Lurch to port - "The Quay"

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2018, 08:06 PM »
An interview with Nick Bates at home

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2018, 02:40 AM »
Great interview !  Thanks, Rob, for posting it !   :)
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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2018, 12:04 PM »
I always got on well with Captain Bates, although he could rub some people up the wrong way!

On one trip with him we had a serious incident that required total secrecy, only myself and the Ch Purser were  'in the know'! Nick got wind that something was a foot and sent for me, i politely explained the secrecy agreement and he fully understood, asking me to return and tell him first once the secrecy restriction was lifted, which i did. He was fully supportive of the position the Ch Purser and i were in and praised us for carrying out the secrecy request.

It was very good to renew our acquaintance in Glasgow last year. 

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2018, 01:22 PM »
Captain Bates was very patient when we had a few small tech issues during the conference.

He was Master of QM2 when my other half and I did a return TA in 2009. His Midday stories were great.

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2018, 03:04 PM »
Captain Bates was very patient when we had a few small tech issues during the conference.

He was Master of QM2 when my other half and I did a return TA in 2009. His Midday stories were great.

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2018, 06:39 PM »
Thank you, Thomas! Takes me right back... to Nick Bates on QE2 of course...

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2018, 10:24 PM »
Thank you, Thomas! Takes me right back... to Nick Bates on QE2 of course...

I associate Christopher Rynd the most with QE2 from my memories of the Captains, from around 2005 (just after Nick Bates was Captain if my memory is correct) as he'd just transferred from P&O Cruises or Princess when we travelled on QE2 in July 2005 and he was a very sociable Captain who walked around the ship frequently. However I associate Nick Bates with QM2! Talk about opposite memories!!! Both great Captains and people regardless.
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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2018, 10:51 PM »
And I associate Nick Bates with Caronia in the first instance... but we were so pleased to find him on QE2 the following year! When asked how he liked his new position, he beamed "I think I have died and gone to heaven!". Could he have endeared himself more?  ;D

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2018, 11:45 PM »
I associate Christopher Rynd the most with QE2 from my memories of the Captains, from around 2005 (just after Nick Bates was Captain if my memory is correct) as he'd just transferred from P&O Cruises or Princess when we travelled on QE2 in July 2005 and he was a very sociable Captain who walked around the ship frequently. However I associate Nick Bates with QM2! Talk about opposite memories!!! Both great Captains and people regardless.

I'm sorry Thomas but Christopher Rynd never was and never should be regarded as a QE2 Captain, that privelage can only be granted to true Cunard Officers. Certainly not to a Princess Captain 'parachuted' in by a truly useless Princess management, who couldn't wait to dilute the Cunard heritage with sub standard Princess personnel and policies.
I could write pages about how Princess totally ruined Cunard but I prefer not to swear online.
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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2018, 08:46 AM »
Andy is there any chance you could tone down your language a bit please, just in case it gets us in trouble in future.  You don't need to change the gist of what you're saying - and the abrupt insertion of Princess into Cunard is an important part of the QE2 Story.

But what about what happened next, all the subsequent "carnival" captains? 
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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #72 on: May 10, 2018, 05:14 PM »
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I'm sorry Thomas but Christopher Rynd never was and never should be regarded as a QE2 Captain, that privelage can only be granted to true Cunard Officers. Certainly not to a Princess Captain 'parachuted' in by a truly useless Princess management, who couldn't wait to dilute the Cunard heritage with sub standard Princess personnel and policies.
I could write pages about how Princess totally ruined Cunard but I prefer not to swear online. 

Andy l quite agree with you, some of us old farts/Cunard Die hards, call us what you like never did see Rhynd as a QE2 Captain , One dear old QE2 friend who thew caution to the wind and sailed on QM2 (once) had the great pleasure to meet the Captain and Mrs Captain, but thats another story, which lm best not to go down the road on here with. She called him Captain Bacon, more that that l wont say on an open forum.  where as Nick Bates was QE2 through and though, inspite of his assignment to the dark side (Princess Cruises)  We are sure he didnt go there by choice. (well no one would, would they ?)

Ok lm baised but as a Captain Nick Bates simply flowed Cunard and QE2 when l was at his table for 3 weeks .Now thanks  to Princess and their happy clappy ways, the invite to Dine with The Captain is extended for the duration of one night, and your asked to RSVP it ! Can you imagine being asked to RSVP a Captains Invite on QE2.

Im the first to admit i have fallen behind in the whats going on at the company formally known as Cunard , there are all sorts of names that are banded about, mostly unofficial ones  ;) but dignity wont allow me to mention the name here  . But these days when you do hear the name Captain ,Do Princess still allow such a name to be used, (l did hear once someone referred to as a Deputy Captain,l had visions of seeing a gun slinging, lose belted Cowboy hat wearing man, But no surely the Americanism wouldnt have gone so deep as that ?, but i digress )    l can honesty say l have no unearthly idea who they are ! lm just waiting for the day for someone to say they walked up the gangway on one of the Queen ships ,and were high fived by A Captain Who  , then we will know Princess have taken complete control  :o

But then watching the re runs of the Love Boat on TV just now , could you imagine taking a Princess Cruise back then..

Im kinda reminded on when l took a fly cruise on the MSC Melody from Gennoa in 2005, all was going reasonably well and l was coping very well , and we were sailing a way and this Conga line appeared, cruise staff, people with baskets of fruit on their head , l knew then l had to for a week just forget all notions of Cunard and QE2.   

 
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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2018, 12:31 PM »
Andy is there any chance you could tone down your language a bit please, just in case it gets us in trouble in future.  You don't need to change the gist of what you're saying - and the abrupt insertion of Princess into Cunard is an important part of the QE2 Story.

But what about what happened next, all the subsequent "carnival" captains?

Rob, i thought i had 'toned down' my language, you should have read my first draft!

I'm sorry if i offend anybody but, the truth is THE truth and needs to be told, any 'old' Cunard/QE2 crew who were around in 2005 for 'the ethnic cleansing' will agree. Peter Ratcliffe openly stated that he disliked Cunard when he was with P&O and would do all  in his powers to bring about it's downfall. Fortunately his hands were somewhat restricted by others in Princess management and Cunard survived, just!
When we had the first 'welcome' lectures by Princess it was stated that things would remain, which those of us in similar positions to myself doubted and thought strange, as there were a lot of things in Cunard that definitely needed upgrading and modifying for the 20th century, let alone the 21st!   
It was stated that ALL systems and procedures, across both brands, would be looked at and then, the best and most efficient versions would be rolled out across the combined fleet! The only thing that was used from Cunard was the Bridge Procedures, which actually Carnival as a group actually adopted across their whole brand.
Then we come onto 'The Ethnic Cleansing' of Cunard Officers in 2005, 'we' were told that it was to help other brands with less experienced, non English speaking Officers, adapt to 'English speaking' passengers and spread our experience across the brands, mainly Princess although some of us 'ventured' further afield as well.
Nick Bates was one of those of us who went on 'work experience' with Princess as did many other well known Cunard Officers, Ian McNaught, Inger Klein Olsen, Martin Carroll etc, etc. 
It wasn't even a case of "would you like to go to A or B or C.." it was more this is where you're going, take it or leave it.!
In my case, before i was even told i was moving, my 'relief' turned up at the gangway in Southampton for a look around! Later that day i was 'officially' told i was moving to Star Princess, which later was changed to Ocean Village!
But i did had had a good laugh at Princess' expense when we were in Athens for the 2004 Olympics.
I was working for Cunard Port Operations, based in Miami at the time, with partial responsibility for QM2's Security at the Olympics. As a rider here QM2 was chartered by ATHOC and as such was officially an 'Olympic Venue' and as such came under Olympic Laws, yes there are such things. One being that, you are not admitted to an Olympic venue if you are intoxicated, as one young QM2 chef found out to his 'inconvenience' the first night we were in Athens. He was arrested while returning back onboard around 0130, locked up and not released to the QM2 Duty Security Officer's custody until 1500 the next day!
Anyway to continue, during a lot of the pre-event meetings in Athens we were accompanied by a 'security adviser' from the UK Embassy in Athens. At a 'breakout' meeting one day, mainly for QM2 Security items, also present was Princess Fleet Security Manager and ex USN Naval Intelligence Officer. The meeting progressed well until we came to a specific subject, and the Embassy man asked the Princess man to leave the meeting as his next input was for 'UK Passport Holders' only! After much argument about his position etc, said Princess man reluctantly agreed to leave but said he would be reporting Mr UK Embassy to Princess in Santa Clarita! After he left 'Mr Embassy' told those of us left, all UK Passport Holders and ex UK Military, that he had nothing to say that actually Mr Princess couldn't have heard, it was just that he was making a point and Mr Princess had 'p*s*ed him off with his pompous and 'know it all' attitude and the way he always tried to belittle 'US' Cunard people, and as we couldn't say anything to Mr Princess and he could he did! Mr Princess was very nice to Mr Embassy after that but treated with with caution and respect, especially when he found out his Military background!!!
With regards your last sentence about 'Carnival' Captains, the same applies, they never were or never should be regarded as 'true QE2 Captains', a true QE2 Captain has come up through the Cunard Officer Ranks, knows Cunard history, it's traditions and most importantly of all QE2 PASSENGERS, and they him or in some, sadly all too rare occasions,her!

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Re: Nick Bates
« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2018, 07:44 PM »
Andy, sorry if I opened up a bad memory for you  - as it sounds like it was and for other "real" Cunard crew at the time. I was merely basing what I said on personal experience as a passenger at the time (circa 2005) which was obviously a very different experience!
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