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Re: Naughty bridge QE2 staff ??
« Reply #1 on: Jan 07, 2011, 02:20 PM »
It trikes me as strange that a larger vessel was expected to give way to a smaller and much more maneouvrable vessel.  While this close approach clearly should not have happened, and there appears to have been little communication prior to the incident, logic alone should have meant that all concerned would realise that it is far easier for the smaller vessel to take action.

Suppose both had taken the same evasive action at the same time?  That is where the real danger lies.
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Re: Naughty bridge QE2 staff ??
« Reply #2 on: Jan 07, 2011, 04:40 PM »
As I picture this, Pride of Kent was to QE2's starboard in a crossing situation.   Both International and Inland Rules state that when two power-driven vessels are crossing and a risk of collision exists, the vessel that has the other on her starboard side (QE2 - the give-way vessel) must keep out of the way and cross behind the other vessel (Pride of Kent - the stand-on vessel) if possible. 

A layout of the Dover Straits traffic separation scheme can be seen here - http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga07-home/emergencyresponse/mcga-searchandrescue/mcga-hmcgsar-sarsystem/channel_navigation_information_service__cnis_/dops_-_dover_strait_tss_chartlet.htm

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Re: Naughty bridge QE2 staff ??
« Reply #3 on: Jan 08, 2011, 12:37 AM »
The report states that QE2 was right at the starboard limit of the lane; knowing that the Straits of Dover ( and, indeed, much of the Channel ) are relatively shallow, would there have been a risk of grounding had she moved out of the lane in order to pass behind the ferry?
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Re: Naughty bridge QE2 staff ??
« Reply #4 on: Jan 08, 2011, 07:54 PM »
The report states that QE2 was right at the starboard limit of the lane; knowing that the Straits of Dover ( and, indeed, much of the Channel ) are relatively shallow, would there have been a risk of grounding had she moved out of the lane in order to pass behind the ferry?

Grounding in shallow water depends on depth and speed .  If there were water still water under the keel,  the faster she goes the more she squats.  The prudent thing to have done would be to recognize the situation early, communicate with the vessel(s) at risk and take early action.  I believe QE2 had at least two on the bridge at any one time.  There really is no excuse for the delayed action.

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Re: Near miss with the Pride of Kent (15 December 2007)
« Reply #5 on: Feb 13, 2011, 10:59 PM »
I was on board for this :)
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 19, 2013, 07:43 PM »
It seems QE2 was involved in a near miss with the P&O ferry Pride of Kent sometime in December 2007.  The subsequent investigation appears to have found the liner at fault for not giving way to the ferry.  QE2's action caused the ferry to take emergency manoeuvres.

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Re: QE2 Near Miss 2007
« Reply #7 on: Aug 19, 2013, 07:55 PM »
I was onboard for that one!
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Re: QE2 Near Miss 2007
« Reply #8 on: Aug 19, 2013, 08:28 PM »
I was onboard for that one!

I shall refrain from asking you, Rob, to tell your side of the story  ;) ...

On the other hand, I can personally testify to the fact that QE2 arrived safe and sound and undamaged in Zeebrugge next morning. I did not meet Rob on that occasion, but there are at least three photos taken that day in the current photo competition!

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Re: Near miss with the Pride of Kent (15 December 2007)
« Reply #9 on: Dec 15, 2021, 09:13 AM »
Our QE2 timeline topic records that on this day 15 December 2007 QE2 was involved in a near miss with the Pride of Kent ferry.  Interesting to read the comments and links on this topic about the incident. 

I shall refrain from asking you, Rob, to tell your side of the story  ;) ...

On the other hand, I can personally testify to the fact that QE2 arrived safe and sound and undamaged in Zeebrugge next morning. I did not meet Rob on that occasion, but there are at least three photos taken that day in the current photo competition!

Glad to hear QE2 was undamaged and reached her next port. Maybe Isabelle can post the photos taken that day on this topic!

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