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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #60 on: Jul 04, 2014, 08:16 PM »
Her original funnels were a really good looking design. I think we know where the Carnival funnel design may have come from. ;)

More or less. France and Carnival's funnels are unique to the industry.
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Re: SS France / SS Norway / Blue Lady
« Reply #61 on: Jul 06, 2014, 09:29 AM »
More or less. France and Carnival's funnels are unique to the industry.

The France's still looked better than Carnival's though.
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« Reply #62 on: Jul 06, 2014, 10:43 PM »
That they do. Carnival's funnels fins stick upwards, and seem thinner, not as well balanced. I don't think their colors really do the funnel design justice. (Of course, I might be biased towards CGT because of Carnival's funnel plagiarism.)

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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #63 on: Jul 26, 2014, 06:42 PM »

That they do. Carnival's funnels fins stick upwards, and seem thinner, not as well balanced. I don't think their colors really do the funnel design justice. (Of course, I might be biased towards CGT because of Carnival's funnel plagiarism.)

The funnel livery was also plagiarized. They didn't have the money to paint an original design so they painted Canadian-Pacific's Green-White-Green design red, white, and blue and then CP asked them to alter the design slightly, so they thinned the white band.
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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #64 on: Jul 26, 2014, 06:43 PM »

The France's still looked better than Carnival's though.

True, Carnival's design is kind of like a whale tail. Fitting for a fun ship.
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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #65 on: Jul 26, 2014, 08:12 PM »
The funnel livery was also plagiarized. They didn't have the money to paint an original design so they painted Canadian-Pacific's Green-White-Green design red, white, and blue and then CP asked them to alter the design slightly, so they thinned the white band.
Well, 2 of Carnival's original 3 ship were the CP ships Empress of Britain & Empress of Canada.

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« Reply #66 on: Apr 04, 2017, 09:35 AM »
At one stage The Bremerhaven ship yard was making plans to buy the old SS Norway from  NCL and turn it into an accommodation ship for their ever expanding cruise ship dry docking business. The idea was to save cruise companies time and money moving crews backwards and forwards from their hotels to their ship while these ships were 'dead in the water'. During one of QE2's refits the Filipinos had an hour's drive, both ways from their accommodation, a holiday camp at Cuxhaven, to Bremerhaven.

However NCL being greedy, wanted too much for her and so the deal fell through and she eventually went for scrap.

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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #67 on: Jun 11, 2017, 01:15 AM »
Imagine if Trafalgar House had bought the laid up France, converted her to diesel electric and sympathetically added some upper balconies (the way QE2's are done neatly) and then run her together with QE2 on the Atlantic...

If only it happened.
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« Reply #68 on: Jul 06, 2017, 01:31 PM »
I was a fan of Norway - I admired her owner's foresight in 1978 and feel she shaped modern cruising as we know it.

I never saw her as France but was part of a "Meet n Greet n Farewell" charter setup by now defunct forum Clydesite to mark her final call at Greenock on Friday 14th September 2001.

Some shots of this below (apologies if they are elsewhere on the forum - if so I don't remember putting them there!)

Even with the topside additions and also the removal of her outboard engines, shafts and props she retained her transatlantic liner profile to the end even if her speed was a more "cruise friendly" 21/22knots. She was a steamship til the end and her hull sheer was plain to see and (until QM2 came along) she was the longest liner afloat.

Please excuse the quality of the shots - they were taken on a conventional film camera and scanned using a low quality scanner.

(1) ss Norway arrives off Greenock in the silhouette of the rising sun.
(2) Clyde Tugs Warrior III on the stern - Flying Phantom was on the bow.
(3) Flying Phantom nudges Norway onto the berth at Greenock Ocean Terminal.
(4) Evening stern view of Norway on the berth.
(5) Bow view of Norway shortly before Flying Phantom took the stern line to assist her off the berth.
(6) Flying Phantom on the stern waiting to pull Norway round to face downriver. (The Clyde tug fleet were in transition between Weidmuller light blue and Svitzer dark blue  which is why she looks a little down at heel and is deep blue in parts!! - Sadly whilst towing in fog on the upper Clyde Phantom was girted and sunk by her tow 19th December 2007 with the loss of 3 of her 4 crew  :'( )

I was gutted when I heard of the tragedy in Miami in 2003 and followed her fate closely until the last remnants were cut up at Alang in 2009.

Hopefully these slightly grainy offerings are of interest to some!!

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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #69 on: Sep 17, 2017, 02:14 AM »
If only it happened..

Do you think France would have survived.. maybe her name would have been Queen Mary 2..  :o
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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #70 on: Dec 28, 2017, 11:47 PM »
SS Norway's Bow and Stern letters are up for sale!

Spot the mistake they made in the historical background.

https://www.trinitymarine.co.uk/shop/ss-norway-stern-letters/
https://www.trinitymarine.co.uk/shop/ss-norway-bow-name-plate/

I'm tempted to send a email..
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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #71 on: Dec 29, 2017, 01:21 AM »
You mean to say that France/Norway's name letters are still around? Neat!  :)

(I know I'm going to sound like a dummie, but I think I like her better as the Norway. Not sure why: I like blue, so maybe the change of color is it. :-\)

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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #72 on: Dec 29, 2017, 04:13 AM »
You mean to say that France/Norway's name letters are still around? Neat!  :)

(I know I'm going to sound like a dummie, but I think I like her better as the Norway. Not sure why: I like blue, so maybe the change of color is it. :-\)

The tip of her bow is still around too, as a memorial somewhere I think. The tip of a ship's bow is normally the first thing removed when scrapping a ship at Alang (and maybe other places) and is a symbolic act in nature as a result.
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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #73 on: Dec 29, 2017, 07:03 PM »
The tip of her bow is still around too, as a memorial somewhere I think. The tip of a ship's bow is normally the first thing removed when scrapping a ship at Alang (and maybe other places) and is a symbolic act in nature as a result.

You'll find this information farther up in this same topic, starting from here :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,264.msg27323.html#msg27323

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« Reply #74 on: Nov 06, 2020, 12:06 PM »
A small addition to this thread.

Lynda contacted me to say there had been an email from a Dr. Benjamin Gross-Payot who has recently written a combined book on USS Enterprise and ss France / Norway.

He had noted my photos in this thread and also another forum that I had posted on a number of years ago and asked me if I could supply a higher resolution image that he would like to include in the English translation of the book.

The image wasnt posted here but it is now below.
He seems to be very taken with the "mood" of the shots - which would probably have been better if I had a digital camera at the time!!

Nice for those old photos to be noticed almost 20yrs on and to rekindle memories of the ship herself 12yrs after she was broken up at Alang.

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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #75 on: Dec 19, 2020, 08:03 PM »
It is only today that I heard for the first time the powerful chanson by Michel Sardou (1976) about the sale of the France and her ignoble conversion to become the Norway. He laments in the chanson that France abandoned her ship, the France... it is a very emotional song. He draws a parallel with the Queen Mary, also abandoned by her country and sadly ending up in California -- he would prefer the France to be scuppered in Brittany, where she had been built (at Saint-Nazaire).


The words are here, below a second video with the same chanson :


Quand je pense à la vieille anglaise
Qu'on appelait le Queen Mary
Echouée si loin de ses falaises
Sur un quai de Californie

Quand je pense à la vieille anglaise
J'envie les épaves englouties
Longs courriers qui cherchaient un rêve
Et n'ont pas revu leur pays

Ne m'appelez plus jamais France
La France elle m'a laissé tomber
Ne m'appelez plus jamais France
C'est ma dernière volonté

J'étais un bateau gigantesque
Capable de croiser mille ans
J'étais un géant j'étais presque
Presqu'aussi fort que l'océan

J'étais un bateau gigantesque
J'emportais des milliers d'amants
J'étais la France qu'est-ce qu'il en reste
Un corps mort pour des cormorans

Ne m'appelez plus jamais France
La France elle m'a laissé tomber
Ne m'appelez plus jamais France
C'est ma dernière volonté

Quand je pense à la vieille anglaise
Qu'on appelait le Queen Mary
Je ne voudrais pas finir comme elle
Sur un quai de Californie

Que le plus grand navire de guerre
Ait le courage de me couler
Le cul tourné à Saint-Nazaire
Pays breton où je suis né

Ne m'appelez plus jamais France
La France elle m'a laissé tomber
Ne m'appelez plus jamais France
C'est ma dernière volonté

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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #76 on: Dec 19, 2020, 10:43 PM »
If anyone needs a translation:

When I think of the old Englishwoman
Called the Queen Mary
Stranded so far from its cliffs
On a California dock

When I think of the old Englishwoman
I envy the sunken wrecks
Long haul looking for a dream
And have not seen their country again

Never call me France again
France she let me down
Never call me France again
This is my last will

I was a gigantic ship
Able to cross a thousand years
I was a giant I was almost
Almost as strong as the ocean

I was a gigantic ship
I carried thousands of lovers
I was France what is left of it
A dead body for cormorants

Never call me France again
France she let me down
Never call me France again
This is my last will

When I think of the old Englishwoman
Called the Queen Mary
I wouldn't want to end up like her
On a California dock

That the greatest warship
Have the courage to sink me
Ass turned in Saint-Nazaire
Breton country where I was born

Never call me France again
France she let me down
Never call me France again
This is my last will
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Re: SS France / SS Norway / "Blue Lady"
« Reply #77 on: Dec 20, 2020, 09:40 PM »
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