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Offline Stowaway2k

Normandie
« on: Mar 05, 2009, 09:58 PM »
to expand on the discussion began in another thread...




color footage is from the DVD video "A Bord du Normandie" distributed by Thalassa... in case you would like to shop for the DVD  ;D

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #1 on: Mar 06, 2009, 05:46 AM »
This is wonderful stuff and an almost unique colour archive of a Normandie voyage. PBS used it in the US - but not seen here in the UK me thinks! It is interesting to compare this with a QM2 voyage - as see on

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #2 on: Apr 07, 2009, 03:25 PM »
Saw where she was built at St Nazaire- One hell of a dock-must have been one hell of a ship. 29 boilers? One huge kettle!

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #3 on: Oct 10, 2009, 01:11 PM »
I never realised this!

Normandie's whistle lives on!

Here it is, being powered by steam!  Unfortunately the recording equipment has been overwhelmed by the volume so its a bit distorted, but it still sounds lovely compared to new air-powered whistles.  It is such a shame that they couldn't give QM2 a steam powered whistle - even if it wasn't her "official" whistle.  Given that QM2 was built in Normandie's ship yard, and that Normandie is widely regarded as possibly the high-point of transatlantic ocean liner design, it would have been quite nice for her to have her whistle.

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #4 on: Oct 10, 2009, 01:20 PM »
AMAZING! What an extraordinary head of steam, and what an awesome sound!

You can see that the onlookers were impressed too, with all the camera flashes going off...

When and where was this taken I wonder -- has the whistle survived the ship?

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #5 on: Oct 10, 2009, 01:26 PM »
Oh sorry, for not being clear

If you click on the video to go to YouTube itself, you can see the following description

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This whistle was originally used on the French ocean liner SS Normandie. After the ship was destroyed, the whistle was used at the Bethlehem, PA, plant of Bethlehem Steel.
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Re: Normandie
« Reply #6 on: Oct 15, 2009, 11:37 PM »
when I heard the sound !! horrible sure it's not on site on the top of the funnel !!but it's strange !!

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #7 on: Oct 16, 2009, 04:01 PM »
which Normandie you prefer? the the first version without the lounge or the one with  tourist class  lounge on back ?  I prefer the second version  
« Last Edit: Oct 16, 2009, 04:03 PM by luzparis »

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #8 on: Oct 16, 2009, 04:09 PM »
the first version without the lounge

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #9 on: Oct 16, 2009, 05:32 PM »
She just looks so massive sitting next to QM.  I wish I could have gone on board.  Great photos Luz, thanks!!! 

Oh by the way, if anyone ever gets to QM in Long Beach, there is an outstanding cut away model of Normandie there as well as a few others (no QE2 though).
« Last Edit: Oct 16, 2009, 05:34 PM by Bob C. »

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #10 on: Oct 17, 2009, 10:46 AM »
oh massive she was not very massive !! the hull was so aerodynamic!! and so modern!
look this beautiful web site  http://www.alae.us/Normandie/

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #11 on: Oct 17, 2009, 11:47 AM »
Thank you, Pat, for this excellent site!

It is amazing to think that, in terms of speed, the greatest ships of the Normandie's era were so far ahead of what we can produce now...

And, while I really like Art Deco dating from its own period, the modern pastiche rarely manages to recreate the simplicity that underlies all those gorgeous surface details and those opulent materials.

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #12 on: Oct 17, 2009, 11:58 AM »
Wonderful Normandie website Pat, thanks for sharing! 
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Re: Normandie
« Reply #13 on: Oct 17, 2009, 12:33 PM »
one picture of the masterpiece of this ship !! for me the most beautiful space was the First dining room
86m long

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 06:19 PM »
Here is a video clip taken from the copy of "L'Illustration';
a lovely book (1935) that was given to the first passengers to sail on Normandie
Thanks to 31051935
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Re: Normandie
« Reply #15 on: Jun 03, 2010, 10:11 PM »
Appro pos of nothing, but my father sailed to Europe in 1938 on the maiden eastbound trip on Nieu Amsterdam, and returned on Normandie, first class both ways.  As much as he loved Nieu Amsterdam, that's how much he disliked Normandie.  Apparently Nieu Amsterdam had a friendly, party atmosphere (you could sneak tourist class girls up to first class through the medical office), while Normandie was cold and formal with rather condescending stewards.  Just FWIW...

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #16 on: Jun 03, 2010, 10:51 PM »
i love this video because the french man spoke with an old french accent.. ;)

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #17 on: Jun 30, 2010, 09:55 PM »
do you know Normandie was not a commercial succes? than Queen Mary!! because this ship was so impressive for the client !! lot's of ceremonial etc !! Queen Mary was cosy  and confortable than Normandie was aristocratic and very sophisticate lot's of passenger was scary about the life on board !!

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #18 on: Jul 01, 2010, 12:56 PM »
I really like this quote by a passenger I read somewhere some time ago: "Queen Mary was like this charming, middle-aged gentle little wife you have at home, Normandie was a femme fatale, this gorgeous young beauty you dream of but can't afford", something like that. I think it's maxtone-graham who also said she was the most feminine ship of all. I completely agree with that!

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #19 on: Jul 01, 2010, 02:29 PM »
Interesting topic!  I'm going to have to do more research on Normandie.  I always thought she was ecessive but it's interesting to know that the average trans-Atlantic passenger found her intimidating!

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #20 on: Sep 26, 2010, 02:59 PM »
Whilst searching for RMS Queen Elizabeth's whistle
I found this
thanks to parrotlect

it comes from a really interesting site, recently refurbished -  about whistles and horns
http://www.hornwhistleboard.com/index.php
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Re: Normandie
« Reply #21 on: Sep 26, 2010, 06:21 PM »
That was Mr. Ocean Liner himself, Bill Miller pulling the rope there.  Pretty cool that ConEd supplied the steam from the NYC system for this demonstration.  FYI, those are true whistles.  ;)
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Re: Normandie
« Reply #22 on: Apr 17, 2012, 02:21 PM »
I was in Le Havre two years ago ...  they often stage some interesting initiatives to celebrate their ocean liners' legacy. The one I visited was an exhibition with panels all around the city, showing beautiful pictures from the maiden voyage of the Normandie.

Note - All photographs below are my photographs taken of the panels around the city, in public areas.

Here are my favourites:

Boarding in le Havre, home port of the Compagnie Génerale Transatlantique (France's flag carrier).



As if the ship wasn't enough famous, the designers placed on the lido deck a huge, illuminated panel, bearing the liner's name.



May 23, 1935, departure! Boarding of the rich passengers' cars in the onboard garage.



After having passed the Bretagne, the liners enters the Atlantic Ocean at never before experienced speeds: 32 knots. 



Onboard life can begin on a liner that has more space for first class (70 % of the internal volume) than all the others! Indoor swimming pool:



Tearooms and fumoirs ...



Can you imagine this floating art déco temple in colour?
During the crossing, the movie "Pasteur" by Sacha Guitry is showed in the onboard cinema.



The famous first class hall, 50 meters long, 10 meter high.



First class bar ...



Private living room of a first class cabin ...



Captain's quarters. Captain Pugnet was so vain that he placed a big portrait of himself in his room...  :D



The triumphal maiden arrival in New York, wearing the blue riband. The city is leaping with joy for the french flagship and dozens of boats welcome her at the Ambrose light.




The slow Hudson sail, until pier 88. I think this picture is more like a Renoir painting.



And finally, the docking maneuvers, with the help of the tugboats.




I like the fact that Le Havre is proud of its heritage: every year there's an exhibition about french liners.
This one (about the France) begins in june:


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Re: Normandie
« Reply #23 on: Apr 17, 2012, 08:53 PM »
Very nice pictures matteo . This ship was a definitely a master piece

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #24 on: Feb 22, 2013, 03:12 PM »
Just reading one of Bill Miller's books which surprisingly states that Normandie had a relatively unstable hull design which greatly contributed to her capsizing during the fire--knowing this her naval architect wanted to open the sea cocks and let her settle upright, the the Navy would hear none of it.  This was supposedly also known to her operators.  Also, she had split boiler uptakes to create huge interior spaces, but it had previously been determined when both Leviathan and Majestic deverloped huge cracks that this greatly weakens a ship.  When desigining United States, William Francis Gibbs broke up the public rooms rather than making this mistake.  Interesting stuff.

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #25 on: Feb 22, 2013, 03:34 PM »
Those divers were hard men. Going down through the brash ice to work blind in a sewage rich debris field. If I had a hat on I'd take it off to them.
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Re: Normandie
« Reply #26 on: Mar 26, 2020, 10:50 PM »
Amazing footage of Normandie here

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Re: Normandie
« Reply #27 on: Mar 27, 2020, 09:24 AM »
Good find Rob.  What a fantastic piece of maritime and social history - the vintage cars in Paris, the passengers embarking the ship, the stylish clothes (both men and women), the steam tugs, wooden lifeboats, deck games and how people have dressed when playing these games.  Evening wear, the decor of the ship and the arrival at New York - AMAZING!
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