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Re: Carnival Horizon crashes into dock on the west side..
« Reply #181 on: Aug 29, 2018, 02:32 AM »
Very interesting....
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Re: Carnival Horizon crashes into dock on the west side..
« Reply #182 on: Aug 29, 2018, 07:57 AM »
I wonder if the Hudson's notoriously strong currents played a part as she hit the dock whilst manoeuvring in? I also wonder if this was her first docking in Manhattan and whether the famous Moran tugs were in attendance at the time regardless of whether it was her first time docking in Manhattan? I know the NCL ships and I suspect most modern cruise ships dispense with the tugs when using Manhattan these days but maybe things will change now?
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #183 on: Aug 29, 2018, 09:16 PM »
Those of us on the Final Departure of QE2 from New York, l still think back to being under the bridge and just how long we seemed to drift down river before making any attempt at turning....
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #184 on: Aug 29, 2018, 10:21 PM »
Those of us on the Final Departure of QE2 from New York, l still think back to being under the bridge and just how long we seemed to drift down river before making any attempt at turning....

We did spend quite a bit of time, using our GPS based station keeping, waiting up river for you guys  ;)
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #185 on: Aug 29, 2018, 10:26 PM »
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SHAREDFour yachts damaged by cruise ship sailing into Dartmouth
BBC Radio Devon

Four yachts have been damaged as a cruise ship sailed into Dartmouth on Wednesday morning.

The Saga Pearl Two clipped the yachts while manoeuvring.

In a statement, Dart Harbour said no-one was injured and an investigation was under way.

The cruise ship company has been approached for comment.

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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #186 on: Aug 29, 2018, 10:37 PM »
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SHAREDFour yachts damaged by cruise ship sailing into Dartmouth
BBC Radio Devon

Four yachts have been damaged as a cruise ship sailed into Dartmouth on Wednesday morning.

The Saga Pearl Two clipped the yachts while manoeuvring.

In a statement, Dart Harbour said no-one was injured and an investigation was under way.

The cruise ship company has been approached for comment.

John Walker

Feel sorry for the yacht owners, hope they are compensated by the guilty party/parties or their insurance companies. One of the photos of the incident shows that being on one of the yachts at the time would've been startling to say the least.
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #188 on: Sep 19, 2018, 09:36 PM »
https://twitter.com/greenocktele/status/1042414019829620739

Saw her in Southampton just last Friday. Makes one wonder how bad it could've been with the larger cruise ships and their ever increasing windage...
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #189 on: Sep 19, 2018, 10:38 PM »
She ended up right out in the middle of the Firth, with 3 tugs attached.  500 people ashore ever since...

https://twitter.com/mickmcgurk/status/1042523192701665280
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #190 on: Sep 19, 2018, 10:46 PM »
Wonder if the bollards have been damaged or worse, ripped out, affecting future ship visits? Wonder if it was "just" the ropes breaking?
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #191 on: Sep 20, 2018, 10:38 AM »
Wonder if the bollards have been damaged or worse, ripped out, affecting future ship visits? Wonder if it was "just" the ropes breaking?

Hi Thomas,

Nautica's stern ropes parted at around 10am which caused her to spring out from the quay on her bow rope such that she ended up at 90deg to land.

The quay at Greenock Ocean Terminal is concrete faced therefore I would imagine the motion of the ship being blown onto the quay causes the waves /wash to rebound off the solid face and start a pendulum motion which quickly compounds therefore straining the mooring ropes - in this case the stern ones gave way. The mooring bollards (as far as I know) are fine - they will be rated for far higher loads that this I guess - given the size of vessel which ties up here on a regular basis plus Olsen's Black Watch is on the same berth today.

Tugs Anglegarth and Svitzer Milford arrived quickly and assisted her out into the middle of the river where an additional tug Ayton Cross arrived to assist her fleetmates. Eventually Nautica managed to get her anchor to hold and two tugs were stood down leaving Ayton Cross on standby in case of further issues. I don't know if she had a stern line on her or not.

There were approx. 450 pax and 26 crew ashore at the time who were looked after in Greenock Town Hall until the ship was assisted back onto the berth at around 2000 last night - the tugs were stood down shortly after.

She sailed for Belfast at around 2300.

A bit of action and adventure for her remaining pax yesterday!

A couple of photos of what couldn't be seen from shore taken by tug man Ron Fraser who was aboard Svitzer Milford yesterday, one of Nautica at 90deg to shore taken (ie facing up our street!!) from the Aldi car park next to Greenock Ocean Terminal by my other half Shelagh and a couple of the tugs assisting in the river are attached.

Whilst dramatic the best place for Nautica was out on the open river where there was space for her to move around without endangering herself or any surrounding vessels / structures.

I haven't heard of any injuries and the ship herself wasn't damaged either. Good on her crew yesterday - I'll bet the atmosphere was fraught at best on board!!

Finally and IMHO very very important to say is massive respect to the tug crews yesterday - no one wants to be out in this weather.
My friend Jamie Shorthouse is Chief Engineer on Anglegarth (the one taking waves over her s'bd bulwark in photo 1) - I've yet to speak to him but hope to hear the story from his viewpoint soon.

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« Last Edit: Sep 20, 2018, 10:49 AM by Clydebuilt1971 »

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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #192 on: Sep 20, 2018, 11:18 AM »
Gav - This is great!
Thanks so much for the story - and further details  looked forward to with anticipation!

Just a couple of points/questions - it's usual for 'modern' cruise ships to hold their position by electronic auto-steering equipment linked to GPS. It seems as if this hadn't been possible for Nautica - perhaps because of the (tidal) depths - and or the direction of the prevailing gusts? Or maybe because of the 'residence' of the Mv Captayannis?
Do you know whether the tugs were on standby all day following her breakaway? If so, it could have been possibly quite expensive for the shipping line!?
As you mentioned, it must have been a tough day for crew in need of shore leave - as well as for possibly bewildered elderely pax!

QV broke her mooring lines at 0800hrs in San Francisco, think it was in 2014 - it happened directly below our little table at breakfast time; interest, noise and movement were much in evidence!
It was hectic on board, and chaotic shoreside - the gangway just been lowered, with disembarkation in progress, as well as day trippers well on their way off to catch the coaches!
That was an 'interesting' experience - the Hotel Manager took command shoreside, and the tiny arrival area was over-run with 'highly anxious' crowds!
Later that evening - it was an overnight-stay and a new line was noted as we settled down for dinner!
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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #193 on: Sep 20, 2018, 11:23 AM »
Hi Rosie,

I'm not sure regarding the use of GPS to keep her on station but I would imagine that the wind speed and sea state would've precluded any use of engines thrusters for that purpose. Apparently it took a few attempts to get the anchor to bite but once that happened only one tug (Ayton Cross I think) remained on station - this will have reduced the bill to Oceania Cruises a little!!

Captayannis lies on a sandbank which is outwith the main shipping channels and is further across the river towards Helensburgh so wouldn't have come into play yesterday.

Alls well that ends well thankfully!!

Gav

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Re: Accidents and mishaps at sea
« Reply #194 on: Sep 20, 2018, 12:31 PM »
Great photos and background information, thank you Gav! Lucky Nautica wasn't one of the massive newbuilds as things could've then been worse for the bollards and tugs let alone the involved cruise ship. A reminder that Mother Nature holds the ultimate power.
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