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Offline QE2 whistle

Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #140 on: Jul 30, 2010, 10:23 PM »
We were aboard Waverley for Queen Victoria's escort down the Clyde.  Here are a few of our pictures. 

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #141 on: Jul 30, 2010, 11:38 PM »
........
 has anyone done the self-guided tours mentioned here?

Not yet - it looks interesting!
I'll take a print-out with me
(Heading off to the Baltic - where it seems as if it's almost as hot as it is in Dubai)
Sometime during the next 2 weeks, there should be the opportunity
And will report back....
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« Last Edit: Jul 31, 2010, 12:28 AM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #142 on: Jul 31, 2010, 06:26 AM »
We were aboard Waverley for Queen Victoria's escort down the Clyde.  Here are a few of our pictures. 

Does anyone know why the funnel casing doesn't come up to the top of the pipes sticking out?  There must be a reason, but it looks so untidy.  (This is not really a complaint.  I am actually just curious as to why.)

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #143 on: Jul 31, 2010, 07:39 AM »
Purely a cost saving apparently.

...and yet every one of the HAL Vista's have wooden (teak) decks.

Offline Clydebuilt1971

Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #144 on: Jul 31, 2010, 11:43 AM »
Thanks for the link Rosie.  Some of the responses to the article were interesting...

These slab-sided floating boxes are (IMHO) hideous ! Nothing like a "cruise liner" !. They appear to be inherantly unstable. The draught they draw is completely insufficient for the weight/height/area above the waterline.

A real Force 12 sea running in some foreign pond or other, plus the windage...... over she goes ! Maybe a thousand or so folk heading for Davy Jones's Locker whilst trying to get out of their rip-off priced, upside down, pitch black "luxury" coffins/cabins.

No - I'm not a naval architect. I just have a bit of commonsense and an appreciation of basic physics.

One day baby, one day !!! Mark my words. Maybe not this floating block of flats, but a similar buoyant hideousity.You heard it first on wikiwirral ! It would be handy for future historians if Cunard changed its name back to the White Star Line. (Titanic - geddit?)


At least the poster admits they're not a naval architect!   :P  I cannot believe it has been almost 2 years since QE2 made her final call to Liverpool.  :'(

Cheery person this one!! I assume they dont like Mrs Brown then!! My only concern with modern ship design is the tendancy towards packing more people on board (Oasis of the Seas comes to mind) but I dont think she would be unstable - just a nightmare to evacuate if it was required. Lets hope it never is.

Back to our cheery chum from the Mersey - some anger management required here methinks!!  ;)

Two weeks today we'll be in Southampton waiting to get on the hideous unstable monster that is QV for 2 weeks in the Med - cannae wait!!!!!  ;D

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #145 on: Jul 31, 2010, 12:15 PM »
...and yet every one of the HAL Vista's have wooden (teak) decks.

Chris, I think this use of the painted on "teak", in all fairness to Cunard, is not unique to QV.  Here is a few shots of HAL's Eurodam.  The very lowest deck at the bow, is brown paint, the remaining decks are the painted on teak with the black painted on caulking seams.  The ship does have the main deck (boat deck equivalent) done in teak, but everywhere else is that brown stuff.




Regarding the funnel and the untidyness of all the engine exhausts, I still am looking for a real answer why they could not have extended the casing up a pit like QE2's.  Eurodams' is just as bad.

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #146 on: Jul 31, 2010, 12:41 PM »
A nice wee photo of some of us on board QV in Greenock.
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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #147 on: Jul 31, 2010, 01:09 PM »
Definitely a nice wee photo, Rob
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QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #148 on: Jul 31, 2010, 03:51 PM »
Nice photo! Last time I was on that deck, it was covered with snow. :o

I think you got a bit of the reason I've found myself loving both QM2 and QV. They seem to each capture half of what made QE2 special...it just so happens that instead of it coming in one QE2-sized package, it comes in two bigger ones.

QM2 is most definitely the technical and spiritual successor to QE2...the proper liner, with all the engineering to go with. But she's so vast inside compared to QE2, leading to a completely different hotel feeling.

QV, on the other hand, is a bit of a cookie-cutter thing, but she has captured, to me, the hotel experience of QE2 as close as is possible. She feels intimate, with smaller, cozier rooms where people can bump into each other and chat easily. But...she's still a cruise ship, one of the nicest ones out there, but not a true liner.

So to me, the QE2 spirit lives on. In two ships. Both of which are missing a major component of QE2. I can cross the Atlantic on QM2 in great confidence, but those seven (ugh) days are not going to feel the same as QE2. On QV, I can cruise (or in my case, cross more daringly) with a good portion of the inside feeling of QE2...but she's...not QE2.

So I guess I'm stuck with a love for three, soon to be four ships. One steady love affair with a lovely older woman, one hot new fast girl, and two little flings. :-\
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Offline Chris Frame

Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #149 on: Jul 31, 2010, 04:26 PM »
Thanks Ken, should have said "Teak Promenade".

Offline Chris Frame

Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #150 on: Jul 31, 2010, 04:29 PM »
Chris,

Orient Express didn't ring a bell - if Michael had said that I'd have remembered, so I've had a google, found the press release and found that its the Golden Arrow.

It seems like some of the original Golden Arrow's carriages form part of the current "orient express".

Have a look at this - http://www.cunard.com/Documents/Press%20Kits/USA/Queen%20Victoria/QV%20Art.pdf - has anyone done the self guided tours mentioned here?

Very interesting!

Captain Rynd told us about the Orient Express connection during the media conference in Fremantle, but interesting to read of the connection between the OE and Golden Arrow!

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #151 on: Jul 31, 2010, 05:03 PM »
Thanks Ken, should have said "Teak Promenade".

Does QV have teak at least there?  I wonder how much teak will be used on QE?
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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #152 on: Jul 31, 2010, 06:10 PM »
Does QV have teak at least there?  I wonder how much teak will be used on QE?
No. She has none. And there will be none on qE either.
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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #153 on: Aug 01, 2010, 01:36 AM »
No. She has none. And there will be none on qE either.

In my eyes, that is a major shortcoming and probably damagerous to walk on in inclement weather.  I am shocked that they could not at least do the most prominent deck.  At least teak could be easily added in the future.  Remember that QE2 did not have all the teak she has now when originally built.
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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #154 on: Aug 01, 2010, 06:49 PM »
I agree it is dangerous.  We were on the Maiden Voyage on Victoria.  I was running along the deck in Hamburg to see the fireworks and ended up flat on my back!  It was a cold night and I think the deck had condensation on it.  I told Cunard on the survey at then end of the cruise that it was dangerous and cheap looking.  It is the one thing I hate on Victoria, however I do like her decor and especially love her clock.  I am always around when it chimes.  ;)

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #155 on: Aug 01, 2010, 06:52 PM »
Re the Clock....I did a real hilarious thing on the maiden voyage...dying to see it chime MIDNIGHT...and when it did  I ran up one side of the stairs..(~ deliberately having one of my shoes fall off on the stair....and having a male friend lift it up and run after me down the other side...all taped on the camcorder....I was Cinderella just for 5 minutes!!

Oh dear....the passengers are REALLY going downhill now eh??LOL  It was a great laugh at the time....and I will always remember it....every time I see that clock it reminds me!


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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #156 on: Aug 01, 2010, 06:56 PM »
I missed that one!  Pity the clock can't tell stories eh!  ::)

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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #157 on: Aug 02, 2010, 12:00 PM »
I realised something, after posting the photo of us on the Lido above.  Although very pleasant sitting there with friends in the sunshine, the Lido area is not a patch on the ones on either QE2 or the SS Rotterdam Cruise Hotel!  The Rotterdam has lovely teak decking, a lovely view overhead (those majestic funnels and sweeping decks), posh seating and tables... all absent on Victoria.  I think the metal/plastic chairs/tables in particular are odd - why have these been used?
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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #158 on: Aug 02, 2010, 12:02 PM »
I have just returned from a very pleasant round Britain cruise on the Queen Victoria which not only was the maiden port of call for the QV to most ports but also was a celebration of 170 years since the first Cunard ship sailed from Liverpool.

The two highlights was Liverpool where the Halle Orchestra was on board for an evening concert to start the celebrations onboard.  There was a wonderful fireworks display prior to the sail away (Thanks to Maggie Maggot for posting a Youtube clip with some of the fireworks).  A Beatles tribute band played in the Winter Garden which gave a real party feeling to the sail away as we danced under the stars and dancing to the Fab Four’s music was a real treat for an “old” Beatles fan.

The second highlight was Greenock where the SS Waverley accompanied us into Greenock and escorted the QV back down the Clyde.  Can I just say to the Waverley enthusiasts on the forum that passengers on the ship were so enamoured with the Waverley, particularly when she was escorting us down the Clyde in the evening.  She just looked spectacular as she glistened in the evening sun.  Many passengers we spoke to did not have any knowledge of the Waverley and I had told them that she was 60 years old and had been purchased by the Paddle Steamer Preservation Society1973 for £1 with the aim of preserving this wonderful steam paddle ship.  I also told them about the QE2 forum members’ trip down the Clyde on the Waverley and how much we had enjoyed being on board.  Thank-you Waverley for making the Greenock sail away so special!  

In Greenock we also met up with Rob and his friends when they came on board to see round the ship and it was so nice to meet up with forum members again.  I was interested to read Rob’s write up about the ship.  The QV public areas are very nice and there is a friendly feel about the ship very similar to QE2.  I agree with Rob that the Britannia Dining room would not be to everyone’s taste and was interested to read that the designer intended to create a luxury train dining car appearance with the use of the dark wood.  I probably prefer the QM2’s Britannia Restaurant but would need to have another cruise on her to compare.  Interesting observation from Rob about the “Winter Garden being like being plunged into a nursing home”!  I must be showing my age as I quite like sitting there reading my book and listening to music on my MP3 player.  It can be particularly pleasant when the retractable roof is open and it is just like sitting in the garden.  When the Beatles tribute band was on board they played there in the evening and there were people of all ages in the Garden Room dancing the night away under the stars.  

The QV external design cannot compare to the sleek lines QE2 and I doubt if any modern cruise ship could compare, as they are meeting the needs of a modern cruise market who prefer to have balconies. I have mixed feelings about the use of teak for the decks.  I love teak wood but the question of deforestation comes to mind and in this respect I wonder if it is right to use teak wood for cruise ship decks when a more modern material is fit for purpose.  However, I need to read more about deforestation of teak wood and the use of the material in boat building before making a finale judgement.  

Finally there were many ex QE2 passengers on board ship that we spoke to.  The same message was repeated time and time again. Everyone misses the QE2 and think she is the greatest ship they have every sailed on.  
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Re: Queen Victoria
« Reply #159 on: Aug 02, 2010, 12:10 PM »
I wonder if they could at least mould the plastic decking to look like teak, complete with grain patterns?

It would probably give more grip and therefore be safer as well?
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