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Offline highlander0108

QE2 Anchors
« on: Feb 28, 2009, 02:55 AM »
Now that we have established what the hawse pipes "nostrils" at bow are, I have another question.  Does anyone  know when and why the bow anchor was removed and the plate welded over the opening?  The anchor is prominently visible on the cover of Carol Thatchers "QE2: 40 Years Famous" book, which is a photo of QE2 very early in her years, if not her inagural season. I never noticed the patch until after I bought the book and stared at the beautiful cover photo for a while and compared it with some of my photos.

KenM

« Last Edit: Feb 26, 2011, 10:27 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »
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Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #1 on: Feb 28, 2009, 12:30 PM »
According to 'QE2' by Ronald Warwick & William Flayhart III, the original version from 1985, The original stem anchor was removed following damage in an Atlantic storm in 1981, it was repositioned on the foredeck to be used as a spare. This was to replace the original spare which had been on the foredeck since building, but which was lost overboard in another Atlantic storm in 1976. The anchor position on the stem was plated over and the stem anchor never replaced.

Apparently the storm caused the anchor to be pushed back up into the bow and jammed there. Upon the removal of the stem anchor, oppertunity was taken to reinforce the bow in the area it had been.

Cheers, Andrew
« Last Edit: Feb 28, 2009, 12:34 PM by ancoaster78 »
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Offline highlander0108

Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #2 on: Mar 01, 2009, 04:31 AM »
Thanks Andrew.  I have the second edition of the book I I did not see any mention of the anchor modifications.  I would imagine that anchor took alot of beating in that position.  Also, that must have been a serious storm to loose an anchor off the foredeck.

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Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #3 on: Mar 01, 2009, 12:27 PM »
You're welcome Ken, musta been some storm you're right!

Highly recommend the first edition of the book if you can get your hands on it, lots of colour pictures of the launch and earlier interiors, and all before the new engines too, I prefer it ;-)
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Offline Twynkle

Anchors
« Reply #4 on: Mar 12, 2009, 06:22 PM »

Here it is!



QE2 Weighing and washing anchor for the last time on Edinburghs waters.
You could hear the splashing of the mud as it hits the water.
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Re: And The QE2's Anchor - What's happening...?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 12, 2009, 06:24 PM »


Never thought we'd see this again!
With grateful thanks.......!



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Re: And The QE2's Anchor - What's happening...?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 12, 2009, 07:43 PM »
Great to have this conversation at this time!

I have just finished uploading my photos and videos of the last anchor port we ever visited (Bar Harbor)... even though we did not know it was the last one while we were there... (we did not stop at St John's Newfoundland a week later because of inclement weather...  :'( )

I just loved watching all the work associated with bringing the anchor back in, and the various visible and audible signals sent to the bridge to indicate the state of progress. Here, I attempted a write-up -- please let me know any errors... :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2870398931/

There are also a couple of videos from Newport and Bar Harbor, here :

https://www.flickr.com/search/?w=55206992@N00&q=weigh+anchor+video&m=tags

Oh....! And you will be congratulating me on the fact that I have meanwhile realised videos cannot be rotated  ;D

Offline Twynkle

Re: And The QE2's Anchor - What's happening...?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 12, 2009, 07:47 PM »


Wonderful post  Isabelle - Thank You!
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Re: And The QE2's Anchor - What's happening...?
« Reply #8 on: Mar 12, 2009, 07:48 PM »

QE2 Weighing and washing anchor for the last time on Edinburghs waters.
You could hear the splashing of the mud as it hits the water.

That is a truly fascinating video, Rosie! First of all, I have never observed QE2 using her port side anchor (but saw it on the photos of her final call to Edinburgh)...

But also... never have I seen what goes on by the bow of the ship as the anchor chain and the anchor itself are hauled in. An amazing view! No wonder the boats were all gathering round to have a look!

Where is all the water coming from? Is that the water we see the men hosing the anchor chain down with on the forecastle?

Offline Stowaway2k

Re: And The QE2's Anchor - What's happening...?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 12, 2009, 08:13 PM »

QE2 Weighing and washing anchor for the last time on Edinburghs waters.
You could hear the splashing of the mud as it hits the water.

I couldn't hear anything but singing.   ::)   Boy, that "QE2 Weighs Anchor" video sure is awesome...    ;)

Online Bob C.

Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #10 on: Apr 01, 2009, 09:47 PM »
For anyone interested, I just scanned this photo from Aug 1969.  Great view of the bow anchor and the relatively thin plates at the anchors base that seat flush with the bow anchor hawse.  It's got to be a lot of force to jam this up into the hawse but not surpising given some of the shots I've seen of the bow plunging into the waves.

Good news for Isabelle - my dad's slides arrived today which span QE2 from 1969-1977.  Some real treats in the 30 or so slides scanned so far.  Many many more to go and wil post them soon.

If anyone is interested in any particular view, public room, cabin, etc. from the 70's, email me a request and I'll see if I have a photo of it.

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Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #11 on: Apr 01, 2009, 10:51 PM »
Good news for Isabelle - my dad's slides arrived today which span QE2 from 1969-1977.  Some real treats in the 30 or so slides scanned so far.  Many many more to go and wil post them soon.

If anyone is interested in any particular view, public room, cabin, etc. from the 70's, email me a request and I'll see if I have a photo of it.

Wonderful news, Bob! Glad that they arrived safely and looking forward to seeing them all! Maybe worth starting a free account with flickr for them?

Take your time but keep them coming!     ;D

Very impressive picture of the bow anchor... so well caught!
And now... if there are any pics of the Lookout Bar, that would be great...

Offline highlander0108

Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #12 on: Apr 01, 2009, 10:59 PM »
Thanks Bob for the great shot.  I am amazed on how much rust is visible on the ship, though, when viewed up close.  Coatings have improved immensely since 1969.  I wonder if the ship was still on it's original 1967 paint job?
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Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 03:31 PM »
Heres a view of the anchor

Offline highlander0108

QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #14 on: Apr 02, 2010, 05:24 AM »
Maybe this helps Andy


When did the spare anchor stowed on deck get removed and where did it go?  Is this the spare anchor that was going to come back home to Southampton?

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« Reply #15 on: Apr 26, 2010, 01:50 PM »
Was there ever a spare anchored stowed on deck?  I do not remember any such thing.  Anyone have any pix of this?

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« Reply #16 on: Apr 26, 2010, 02:15 PM »
As far as I know the spare was always kept in a warehouse in Southampton.
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 26, 2010, 02:44 PM »
The spare anchor was stowed on the foredeck up until the 1992 refit when it went off to the Testbank Storage facility in Southampton. I know that the anchor did have to change at some point since then but the spare remained at testbank and is still there waiting to be placed on the QE2 Mile.

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« Reply #18 on: Apr 26, 2010, 03:41 PM »
So does that mean that instead of using the spare they had a whole new anchor cast?

And a supplementary question springs to mind - what happened that meant a new anchor was needed?
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 26, 2010, 04:06 PM »
They used the spare one and the one that was replaced became the spare one. It's classified why they had to use the spare one ;)

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« Reply #20 on: Apr 26, 2010, 05:29 PM »
Ahhhh......  Something like they went fishing with the anchor and caught something very large, then?  Like a "boomer"?! ;D







You do, of course, always have to be very careful with anchors anyway:

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Offline highlander0108

Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #21 on: Apr 26, 2010, 06:22 PM »
There is a pic of the spare anchor stowed on deck in this thread.
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1790.0/topicseen.html
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Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #22 on: Apr 26, 2010, 06:26 PM »
Hi Ken,
What's number is the post, please?
Thanks,
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Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #23 on: Apr 26, 2010, 06:34 PM »
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Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #24 on: Apr 26, 2010, 09:21 PM »
There is a pic of the spare anchor stowed on deck in this thread.
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1790.0/topicseen.html


Are we talking about a spare anchor that was stored on deck on the focsle or one that was secured in its hawsepipe being the result of 3 bow anchors serviced by 2 anchor windlasses? 

I have not found a photo of a spare anchor stored topside.  See this link for an explanation of the "spare" anchor.  I think it is line with my thinking - 3 anchors, 2 windlasses.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hLFpqMZn5vkC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=qe2+forward+anchor+storm&source=bl&ots=Xpdjawp97I&sig=RRf-E5N64bUG4Ur7byzAMmIkwnk&hl=en&ei=xPTVS_LwCMOC8gbIiPWCDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
« Last Edit: Apr 26, 2010, 09:36 PM by Bob C. »

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Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #25 on: Apr 26, 2010, 09:50 PM »
OK, its Monday and still have not recovered fully from the weekend.  I just found the picture of the spare anchor on the port focsle (1 Deck).  I initially mistook it for a hatch cover with the way the color and position made it look.

Ignore my rantings above but here is how I understand the "spare" anchor's history

1969-1981 - Spare anchor was any anchor not attached to the two anchor chain/windlass
1981 - Heavy seas during a storm jammed the forward anchor in its hawsepipe and required cutting out.
1981 - 1995 - Forward hawsepipe plated over and spare anchor stored on deck, focsle port side
1995 - Starboard anchor damaged and replaced.  Decision made to keep the spare anchor in a Southampton warehouse.
1996-present - Two forward anchors, port and stbd, with spare in warehouse.

I wonder what the damage was to the starboard anchor in '95 and if that anchor is presently the spare.

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Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #26 on: Apr 27, 2010, 09:17 AM »
I've done some research into this now:

PLATING OVER STEM:

On 2 December 1976 QE2 ran into a really foul night of Atlantic weather. The 12.5-ton bow anchor came adrift and ripped a hole in the bulbous bow on its way into the sea. Constant pumping evicted the unwelcome Atlantic water.
QE2 was diverted to Boston for repairs which involved fitting metal patches inside and out. The ship had be tilted slightly by ballasting to enable workmen to repair the gash. Work was completed in time to allow QE2 to sail on her Caribbean cruise on schedule with the cruise passengers being brought to Boston from New York by plane and train. The bow anchor was never replaced so the stem was plated over.

1995:

While approaching anchorage in 1 November 1995 it was noticed that the starboard anchor had been damaged and 50% of one fluke was missing. QE2 carried a spare anchor (positioned on the foredeck) and Captain Burton-Hall suggested that the spare should replace the damaged anchor while QE2 was in Amsterdam overnight on 13 / 14 December 1995 as Southampton lacked the necessary floating crane, barge and dockyard requirements. The spare anchor did require some work to free up the shackle but this proved difficult to do so a new anchor was purchased from Lloyds Beal in Cardiff for £6,740. Regulations which insisted a spare anchor was carried changed so a spare anchor did not need to be carried so the spare was removed from the foredeck while QE2 was dry docked in Southampton for her 1996 refit and sent to the Testbank Storage facility near the dry dock for storage. There it remained until 2009 when it was presented to the City of Southampton as a reminder of QE2.

Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #27 on: Apr 27, 2010, 12:24 PM »
Hello,
This is really interesting!
What good things to learn about - Thank You.
I read about the stormy night when Queen Mary's anchor became really fouled up in a considerable amount of cabling on the sea-bed in Cherbourg harbour - thought to be left there after WWll).
(there's a proper expression for this!)
I wonder - do you know whether did the same thing ever happen to QE2?



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The Stern Anchor
« Reply #28 on: Apr 27, 2010, 09:56 PM »
I've been watching interesting topics pop up about various components of the ship but have not read much about the need, use and design of the stern anchor.

I do not recall QM or QE having one, is QE2 the first liner of her size (Cunard or otherwise) to have one?  One thats Integrated into the hull?

Also, where is the windlass and chain locker for the stern anchor?  Seems that space is very limited astern even for a shorter chain.  Anyone been onboard when the stern anchor was in use?

Thanks! 

Offline Chris Frame

Re: The Stern Anchor
« Reply #29 on: Apr 28, 2010, 02:19 AM »
I don't recall ever seeing QE2 use her stern anchor at any of our anchor ports.

I wonder if it was used at all in recent times?

Offline Stowaway2k

Re: The Stern Anchor
« Reply #30 on: Apr 28, 2010, 03:23 AM »
December 2004
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Offline Twynkle

Re: The Stern Anchor
« Reply #31 on: Apr 28, 2010, 08:46 AM »
A superb image, Kyle!
Interesting to see why the stern anchor was used, too!
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Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #32 on: Apr 28, 2010, 10:05 AM »
@Bob C. Normandie definitely had a stern anchor.

I don't think the France had one originally, even though one was added when she became the Norway
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Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #33 on: Jun 16, 2010, 01:53 PM »
QE2 doing what she does best....
This is just so good!
Thanks to ColemanHeald
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Offline highlander0108

Re: The Stern Anchor
« Reply #34 on: Jun 20, 2010, 02:42 PM »
December 2004
St. Thomas  US Virgin Islands


I took the exact same photo in October 2000, unfortunately not in digital format yet, but I went back and confirmed the stern anchor was deployed then too.
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Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #35 on: Oct 30, 2010, 09:50 AM »
Stern with cable!
Did she have another anchor on the portside?
http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/photo990962.htm
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Offline Andrew Collier

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #36 on: Dec 07, 2010, 09:52 AM »
Hey Rosie,

No, stern anchor starboard only.

 8)

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Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #37 on: Dec 07, 2010, 10:03 AM »
Hey Rosie,

No, stern anchor starboard only.

 8)



Hi Andytooo  8) and :)

Thanks for your post - do you think there's a technical reason for this?
Thinking of wind, shape of anchorage, lie of the land etc,
it's curious that the designers et al didn't think it necessary
 - or maybe they did, but someone else didn't!

Rosie

 
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Offline Andrew Collier

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #38 on: Dec 07, 2010, 03:47 PM »
Rosie,

The stern anchor would only normally be used occasionally. To secure the stern to stop it from swinging, or to assist holding the ship fast in very difficult conditions. The main anchors at the bow are used to actually hold the ship in place in normal use without use of the stern anchor at all.

The stern anchor is therefore a secondary one, and so no need to worry about one each side.

Plenty of ships don't even have a stern anchor at all.

QE2's was very neatly and discreetly fitted, another touch of genius by the designers!

8)
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Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #39 on: Dec 07, 2010, 04:29 PM »
Rosie,

The stern anchor would only normally be used occasionally. To secure the stern to stop it from swinging, or to assist holding the ship fast in very difficult conditions. The main anchors at the bow are used to actually hold the ship in place in normal use without use of the stern anchor at all.

The stern anchor is therefore a secondary one, and so no need to worry about one each side.

Plenty of ships don't even have a stern anchor at all.

QE2's was very neatly and discreetly fitted, another touch of genius by the designers!

8)

Thanks Andytooo,

I very much agree about the neat and discreet fitting, and of course - the genius of the designers ;)
The question of  potential for extra versatility came into my mind, simply because QE2 is a ship that was expected to take passengers to some places (albeit rare, say on the world cruises) where the ability to anchor was essential, yet difficult.
I wondered too, how many anchor ports of call that QE2 made - that were then discounted after the maiden visit, purely for technical reasons due to the anchoring 'stuff'! (off topic, perhaps - nevertheless interesting)
Queen Elizabeth definitely struggled with some of her anchorages, and maybe that was why QE2 got three in the first place.

:)


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Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #40 on: Dec 07, 2010, 07:58 PM »
QE2's was very neatly and discreetly fitted, another touch of genius by the designers!

Andy, Can you expound?  I would love to hear more about the stern anchor design and arrangement.


Offline Andrew Collier

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #41 on: Dec 09, 2010, 02:05 PM »
Hey Bob,

I regret to disapoint, but actually have little to say on it. I just personally think they did a good job of incorporating it discreetly into the hull lines of the ship, obviously helped by the dark hull colour, but still so neatly concealed by design a lot of people are probally totaly unaware of its beign there! Just a small example of good design that I like so much :-)

Theres a lot of ships out there, even quality old ones like QE2 with far messier arrangments, SS Canberra, another fav of mine for example.

Cheers  8)
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Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #42 on: Dec 09, 2010, 04:26 PM »
Got it and thanks.  I am more curious on where the chain locker is located for the stern anchor than the actual machinery but would like to see that layout as well.  Normal chain lockers on the bow gravity feed the chain from the focsle deep down into the bottom of the ship but I don't see much space available for that with the stern anchor.

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Offline Andrew Collier

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #43 on: Dec 09, 2010, 05:23 PM »
Ah, that I can help with afterall.

There was a small vertical compartment running through decks four and five, just to starboard of the centreline, above the anchor which was the chain locker.

Will try and post a photo of the plan in a bit....

 8)

 
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Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #44 on: Dec 09, 2010, 07:26 PM »
The spare anchor was stowed on the foredeck up until the 1992 refit when it went off to the Testbank Storage facility in Southampton. I know that the anchor did have to change at some point since then but the spare remained at testbank and is still there waiting to be placed on the QE2 Mile.

From the Daily Echo
Queen Elizabeth 2's anchor to be placed outside Holy Rood Church in Southampton
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8461284.QE2_s_anchor_to_find_new_home_in_city/

 
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Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #45 on: Dec 10, 2010, 03:05 PM »
Ah, that I can help with afterall.

There was a small vertical compartment running through decks four and five, just to starboard of the centreline, above the anchor which was the chain locker.

Will try and post a photo of the plan in a bit....

 8)

 

Now I am very intrigued.  The haws pipe seems to be on 5 deck and you mention a compartment on 4 and 5 deck so it's logical to conclude that the windlass is on 4 deck.  Can't wait to see your photo/post

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: QE2 Anchors - An amalgamation of all previous Anchor threads.
« Reply #46 on: Feb 20, 2011, 06:21 PM »
Hi Bob, Sorry for delay, have just scanned the photos for you, as soon as I work out how to resize them to fit the upload limit, I will post, really doesn't come natural this tye of thing!! Ideas anyone?  Cheers  8)
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Offline Rod

Re: Bow Anchor Removal
« Reply #47 on: Aug 07, 2011, 09:02 PM »
According to 'QE2' by Ronald Warwick & William Flayhart III, the original version from 1985, The original stem anchor was removed following damage in an Atlantic storm in 1981, it was repositioned on the foredeck to be used as a spare. This was to replace the original spare which had been on the foredeck since building, but which was lost overboard in another Atlantic storm in 1976. The anchor position on the stem was plated over and the stem anchor never replaced.

Apparently the storm caused the anchor to be pushed back up into the bow and jammed there. Upon the removal of the stem anchor, oppertunity was taken to reinforce the bow in the area it had been.

Cheers, Andrew

I beg to disagree.
I believe that the stam anchor was lost during a storm and on its way down knocked a hole in the bulbous bow!

I do not think I am wrong!

Offline Rod

Re: QE2 Spare Anchor
« Reply #48 on: Aug 07, 2011, 09:05 PM »
I've done some research into this now:

PLATING OVER STEM:

On 2 December 1976 QE2 ran into a really foul night of Atlantic weather. The 12.5-ton bow anchor came adrift and ripped a hole in the bulbous bow on its way into the sea. Constant pumping evicted the unwelcome Atlantic water.
QE2 was diverted to Boston for repairs which involved fitting metal patches inside and out. The ship had be tilted slightly by ballasting to enable workmen to repair the gash. Work was completed in time to allow QE2 to sail on her Caribbean cruise on schedule with the cruise passengers being brought to Boston from New York by plane and train. The bow anchor was never replaced so the stem was plated over.

1995:

While approaching anchorage in 1 November 1995 it was noticed that the starboard anchor had been damaged and 50% of one fluke was missing. QE2 carried a spare anchor (positioned on the foredeck) and Captain Burton-Hall suggested that the spare should replace the damaged anchor while QE2 was in Amsterdam overnight on 13 / 14 December 1995 as Southampton lacked the necessary floating crane, barge and dockyard requirements. The spare anchor did require some work to free up the shackle but this proved difficult to do so a new anchor was purchased from Lloyds Beal in Cardiff for £6,740. Regulations which insisted a spare anchor was carried changed so a spare anchor did not need to be carried so the spare was removed from the foredeck while QE2 was dry docked in Southampton for her 1996 refit and sent to the Testbank Storage facility near the dry dock for storage. There it remained until 2009 when it was presented to the City of Southampton as a reminder of QE2.


Thank you!

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #49 on: Aug 07, 2011, 09:13 PM »
Remember Guys and Gals, its not the anchor that holds the ship in place!
Its the length of chain that they pay out that holds the ship. The anchor is a starting point for that chain. Remember they would go into an anchor port and seem to go really closs...then reverse? That was to pay out chain. the anchor was only about 12 tons the chain would be about anothet 30 or 40 more.
Dont forget also that the chains were not attached to the ship...so if the anchor windlass brakes failed....you lost chain and anchor. nearly happened once to my knowledge! Been there done that got the t-shirt.

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #50 on: Aug 07, 2011, 09:46 PM »
Remember Guys and Gals, its not the anchor that holds the ship in place!
Its the length of chain that they pay out that holds the ship. The anchor is a starting point for that chain. Remember they would go into an anchor port and seem to go really closs...then reverse? That was to pay out chain. the anchor was only about 12 tons the chain would be about anothet 30 or 40 more.
Dont forget also that the chains were not attached to the ship...so if the anchor windlass brakes failed....you lost chain and anchor. nearly happened once to my knowledge! Been there done that got the t-shirt.
Thanks for this, it's so interesting! :) - do you know whether there are any deck plans / diagrams that show where the cables are stowed
Was this a place on board where anyone ever needed to see / assess etc (other than perhaps at refits) - must have been a really rusty, dusty place....
And - would the stowed chains ever shift about - say, in very heavy seas?
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #51 on: Aug 07, 2011, 10:14 PM »
Thanks for this, it's so interesting! :) - do you know whether there are any deck plans / diagrams that show where the cables are stowed
Was this a place on board where anyone ever needed to see / assess etc (other than perhaps at refits) - must have been a really rusty, dusty place....
And - would the stowed chains ever shift about - say, in very heavy seas?

Basically no...But I think it was every 3 years at drydock....ALL anchor chains had to be take out cleaned and painted...they were marked in code to tell the length of chain paid out. Then the chains were reversed so the bit that was attached to the anchor then went into the ship first.

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #52 on: Aug 07, 2011, 10:27 PM »
Then the chains were reversed so the bit that was attached to the anchor then went into the ship first.

How on earth did they manage that without dissembling the entire thing?
Or maybe my imagination's working over-time - and perhas this was done by a crane at refit?

The markings are in fathoms aren't they - and didn't they ring the bell to let the Bridge know how much was paid out, or weighed in?
I used to watch the whole awesome  'business' from start to finish, specially at the anchorages in Iceland and Norway!
(and bitterly disappointed on QM2, as it's all invisible, although great big rumbles still happen!)
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #53 on: Aug 07, 2011, 11:29 PM »
Yes it was done by crane. The anchor disconnected, the anchor end was fitted on to the anchor windlass and wound in. While the chain was in the dock the oldcodes were removed and new codes painted. After a certain number or years a section from the middle would be taken out and put somewhere else on the length etc etc. A deck officer would be able to correct me.
Same with the lifeboat cables. Every so often they would be "end for ended"

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« Reply #54 on: Apr 19, 2012, 08:57 AM »
I really like this short video showing the anchor of the QE2 being cleaned.--


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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #55 on: Apr 19, 2012, 11:17 PM »
Sometimes you got go to a port and only use one anchor. Next time you went you might use 2. 2 forward or 1 forward 1 aft. All depended on circumstances.
One time at a port in the Caribbean, the anchor cable got tied in a "knot:
and it took about 3 hours of up and down side to side etc to get the "knot" untied!
I have to say though that the video  brought back many memories. In the days of the NUS, I do not know about the Philipino crew, the ships Carpenters did all the anchor details. Sailors washed it and secured it.

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #56 on: Apr 20, 2012, 09:32 AM »
The stern anchor wasn't used for the last few years because it became so slow to deploy - basically as it was used so infrequently, it got seized up, as well as the cable getting tangled regularly in the chain locker. I think I recall it being used in St Thomas in about 2004 (scrub that, I've seen the picture now - it was used then!), and I also think one of the 'new' Captains tried it in 2006ish despite our protests - after all, he knew best! After an hour or so of trying, we gave up - I don't even think we got it as far as the sea bed. I don't recall using it any time after that.

The windlass for the stern anchor was on 3 Deck aft - horrible place! Going back to a previous comment, the markings are done in shackles. 1 shackle is 90ft, or 27.5m. Each shackle marker is painted red, then the corresponding number of shackles painted white either side. The bell is rung for each shackle that passes on its was home, when the anchor is 'aweigh' the bell is rung continuously. This is the time the black ball is taken down, as the ship is now technically underway.


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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #57 on: Apr 20, 2012, 11:58 AM »
Thank you for these excellent and lucid explanations!

... when the anchor is 'aweigh' the bell is rung continuously. This is the time the black ball is taken down, as the ship is now technically underway.

How would you know when the anchor was aweigh?

And what depth of water would make anchoring possible? Presumably the slope of the sea bed was also important?

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #58 on: Apr 20, 2012, 11:56 PM »
Basically by looking over the side. Again the color/colour coding on the chain will tell you roughly.
As far as depth goes, you have about 800 feet of chain. In some parts of the world especially the Caribbean, the bottom slopes gently for a while then drops like a stone....you do not want to anchor there. This is all checked on charts, also local authorities might have areas that are forbidden because of fish beds, lobster etc , underwater  pipes and cables etc. Something else that somes into effect is what is the wind going to be when you leave, where from? Boats to pick up, this also comes into the equation. I have seen QE2 leave one port wher the picke up the bow anchor first then the stern anchor, normally it goes the the other way.

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #59 on: Apr 21, 2012, 11:31 AM »
The stern anchor wasn't used for the last few years because it became so slow to deploy - basically as it was used so infrequently, it got seized up, as well as the cable getting tangled regularly in the chain locker. I think I recall it being used in St Thomas in about 2004 (scrub that, I've seen the picture now - it was used then!), and I also think one of the 'new' Captains tried it in 2006ish despite our protests - after all, he knew best! After an hour or so of trying, we gave up - I don't even think we got it as far as the sea bed. I don't recall using it any time after that.


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When things are known to have failed like this, does it not conspire to give an overall air of "worn out" to the ship, that is not fair?  And does this air, not affect the crew?  I'm sure all the crucial stuff was absolutely fine, but all the non-crucial stuff...  If I was a new Captain given command of QE2, and then told all the various things I couldn't do because they were broken (stern anchors and bow thrusters spring to mind), would that not cause me to have a certain attitude to her also?
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #60 on: Apr 21, 2012, 07:02 PM »
About whether or not to anchor...
Do you know whether QE2 was ever 'parked' over the anchorage without dropping her anchor - with the auto-pilot +GPS, and manual positioning used to hold her instead?
On board QV this 'practice' was used twice recently, and becoming a commonplace way of holding her (depending on wind-strength etc).
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Re: Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #61 on: Apr 21, 2012, 08:50 PM »
About whether or not to anchor...
Do you know whether QE2 was ever 'parked' over the anchorage without dropping her anchor - with the auto-pilot +GPS, and manual positioning used to hold her instead?
On board QV this 'practice' was used twice recently, and becoming a commonplace way of holding her (depending on wind-strength etc).

QE2 didn't have this capability at all. With no adequate bow thrusters, and no stern thrusters at all, this ability was totally out of the question!

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #62 on: Apr 22, 2012, 12:00 AM »
The spare anchor in snowy weather


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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #63 on: Apr 22, 2012, 05:40 AM »
Cool photo Louis.   :)

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #64 on: Apr 23, 2012, 10:06 AM »

One of the things I've learned from owning an old car, is that absolutely everything can be fixed, and made to work as good as new, but at a cost.  Certain bits of it do indeed work as good as new, but other bits are on my to-do list, or I'm waiting for them to get worse before it is worth doing anything about it.  But overall, the car is not getting worse.

When things are known to have failed like this, does it not conspire to give an overall air of "worn out" to the ship, that is not fair?  And does this air, not affect the crew?  I'm sure all the crucial stuff was absolutely fine, but all the non-crucial stuff...  If I was a new Captain given command of QE2, and then told all the various things I couldn't do because they were broken (stern anchors and bow thrusters spring to mind), would that not cause me to have a certain attitude to her also?

I agree, that everything can be fixed, however shipping companies are renowned for their cost cutting, especially if the passengers can't see it. The stern anchor was seldom used, and to be perfectly honest, not that useful when it was, hence the reason it was never repaired. The bow thrusters didn't need repairing at all - they needed replacing - but that's another story. They were underpowered when she was built, and at the end it was more cost effective to use tugs than go to the expense of replacing them.

There was a slight demoralising feeling that we felt when things weren't done, but as well as being proud of our ship, we were also realists in that the ship must make money to survive. If that meant a job being delayed in order to keep the budgets in check, then you just have to 'grin and bear it'. The standing joke during dry-docks was of a superhuman 'Red Pen Man', who flies in to the yard in the middle of the night, and puts a red pen through the dry dock spec, hence reducing the jobs and money outlay. That got extremely frustrating, especially when it was something that really did need doing, but I don't think it we allowed it to get to us too much. I think the thing which frustrated us the most was when it was a job which the passengers noticed. We would inevitably get screamed and shouted at, as if it was our fault that the office had cut the budget, but again, 'just grin and bear it'! It allows them to get it off their chest, and we have a good old moan in the Wardy in the evening.

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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #65 on: Aug 05, 2012, 07:34 PM »
About the anchor in Southampton.
Did this anchor ever 'see active service'?
If it didn't, and if QE2 carried three anchors (?)
this could have have been her fourth....
So, just wondering - in all, how many anchors were made for QE2?
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #66 on: Jun 10, 2018, 11:50 AM »
A Sunday morning is a good time to reflect on some of the fascinating topics on the forum and this one on QE2 Anchors comes into this category. 

Highlander 0108 had started the topic when he asked the question "Does anyone  know when and why the bow anchor was removed and the plate welded over the opening?"  This led to some excellent discussion and sharing of expertise. 

Michael Gallagher researched and posted that the 12.5 bow anchor had become adrift during an Atlantic Storm in 1976 the bow anchor was never replaced so the space was plated over

I enjoyed watching the Coleman Heald video that Rosie posted, showing the QE2 preparations leaving Guernsey for the last time in 2008

Rod reminded us that it is the weight of the anchor chain that holds the ship in place which led to further discussions. 

Fantastic discussion on this features of the QE2 topic.   I have highlighted a few of my favourite posts from this topic, but take time to start at the beginning and be prepared to learn from our QE2 members who have taken time to share their expertise.  Enjoy!
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #67 on: Jun 10, 2018, 01:58 PM »
This is such a good topic!

About the weight of the Anchor as well as the measurements of the cable - just wondering whether the length to drop it would have depended on several things, not least the conditions - including wind, weather as well the weight per fathom...
Is this a decision resting solely with the deck department  - Bridge, Master, Pilot etc,
The Bosun?
And the Engineers, would they have been consulted as well? 
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #68 on: Jun 10, 2018, 08:19 PM »
An excellent topic, showing what makes this forum so good (sharing knowledge and memories/experiences with like minded people).

I realise I have posted this video of my Dad's before but one can hear the anchor chains settling in the portside anchor's anchor locker at around 47 seconds and this was QE2's final visit to Monte Carlo/Monaco on Saturday 26th July 2008...something we only knew about when hauling up anchor due to an announcement by Captain Perkins (if my memory is correct) - there was no fuss and there were no celebrations onboard or from the port for reasons Michael has stated elsewhere on this forum.


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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2020, 05:32 PM »
For Rob and Rod's viewing regarding the anchor's "brake" system as we discussed in the group Zoom video call two weeks ago. A collection of my Dad's (James A Hypher's) photo from in port in Malaga, and my photos from her last 5 years at sea and one from back this January in Dubai which I think has the "brake" system fully in place? Furthermore, if the Dubai photo is of the "brake" system it seems to have answered a long term question of mine in regards to why that part of the anchor setup sticks up in the air relative to the foredeck - to allow the "brake" system to be in place and function properly?
« Last Edit: May 13, 2020, 05:39 PM by Thomas Hypher »
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2020, 05:46 PM »
A further photo in the link below, from early in QE2's life, showing a more substantial "brake" system seemingly the same as now used in Dubai?

This sure makes one think of the forces involved to rip the centre anchor, presumably with the anchor chain via the anchor locker too, from the ship in that particular North Atlantic storm in the late 1970s.

http://www.modelships.info/debrisfield/resources/qe2/donQE215.jpg
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Re: QE2 Anchors
« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2020, 01:34 AM »
Not understanding that last pic. Stbd anchor windlass, chain appears to be connected to the stem anchor!
Michael Gallagher perhaps?