The 92 foot freak wave (1995)

[Rob Lightbody]

"Officers on the bridge estimated the wave at 92 feet, because they were eyeball to eyeball with the crest."

I have a very simple question - if it had hit QE2 in the side, instead of on the bow, what would have happened?

[Magic Pipe]

I don't know everything about this wave, so I can't judge with 100% certainty.  But most of these giant "rogue" waves are created when multiple wave crests align at the same time, causing the multiple component waves to superimpose on top of each other and form a much larger wave (by definition, a rogue wave is a wave double the significant wave height) .  The multiple component waves will have different wavelengths, periods and velocities, so the rogue wave dissipates very quickly once the component waves move out of sync.  Because of this, rogue waves are usually what are called standing waves, meaning they have no velocity.  Therefore, the ship literally runs into the wave, and not vice-versa, so such a rogue wave could not hit a ship broadside.

[Rob Lightbody]

Great reply, thanks!

I have this page on my own website about it - http://www.roblightbody.com/liners/qe-2/1995_freak_wave.htm - i can't remember where it came from because i did that page about 14 years ago...

[Louis De Sousa]

I was onboard when this happened and all i can say is that we were all lucky.I too ask the question what if the wave was a side hit.I am glad that i never had a answer.

[Louis De Sousa]

Here is a couple of shots

[RMS Lozzy]

"Officers on the bridge estimated the wave at 92 feet, because they were eyeball to eyeball with the crest."

I have a very simple question - if it had hit QE2 in the side, instead of on the bow, what would have happened?

This is something I wonder about with the new big ships, I dont want to be onboard any that do meet a rouge wave.  But surely there is a danger that the higher you build a ship with a shallow keel, the risk of it losing balance because of a rouge wave is increased by the wave hitting it broadside or just hitting it in general?

http://seatravel.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/queen-elizabeth-2-and-queen-victoria-cross-the-atlantic-in-tandem/
(see bottom photo!)

[cunardqueen]

   "Officers on the bridge estimated the wave at 92 feet, because they were eyeball to eyeball with the crest."

I have a very simple question - if it had hit QE2 in the side, instead of on the bow, what would have happened?   

Well l for one would feel much safer on QE2 than any of the modern day ships, they, in spite of all the planning that goes into building them,they do look very top heavy. 
 It would be interesting to hear at which point these ships can keel over, and make a safe return.....

[Bob C.]

Well l for one would feel much safer on QE2 than any of the modern day ships, they, in spite of all the planning that goes into building them,they do look very top heavy. 
 It would be interesting to hear at which point these ships can keel over, and make a safe return.....

Putting on my naval architecture under graduate degree hat, there are two different types of stability to be considered: static and dynamic. Think of static stability as how far the ship can roll without tipping over and dynamic as how long it takes to recover from the initial disturbance. Besides roll stability there is also pitch and directional stability to consider but ship's roll is the most dramatic.

You are right in thinking that the older ships are more stable and therefore safer. Today's large ship designs tend to push the limits of technology to maximize revenue and ships run the risk of being unable to adequately handle conditions for which they may have been only marginally or under-designed (e.g. rogue wave).  See the comments at this website - http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/6937/62603.html?1066859518

Because QE2 was built specifically to handle the Atlantic, she is much better able to handle the rougher and unexpected conditions.

[Peter Mugridge]

Bob, these modern tall vessels, especially those moster sized ones with huge inner courtyards.... do they test them for stability in the event of their being caught underneath a microburst?  Especially one that was not exactly overhead but slightly off to one side?

[Bob C.]

Pete, the link in my last post mentions that the masters of these sorts of behemoth ships avoid heavy weather like the plague.  Its not so much the stability but the huge sail area that these ships have whch can roll the ship a bit but swing it uncontrollably if the wind is hard enough.  I'm sure though a heavy enough microburst would roll the ship but most likely not enough to tip it over or to an uncomfortable roll angle.

However, the master and crew must pay very close attention to the weather reports and forecasts especially in restricted maneuvering scenarios such as docking where a microburst or high wind condition can result in collision or grounding.

[highlander0108]

I am a bit sceptical with the premise that the older ship are inheritently more stable.  There are numerous stories that both of the original Queens were big "rollers" in seas until they were fitted with Denny Brown stabilizers.  Other liners like the Stockholm, still in service although severely altered, have had appendages added to the hull to aid in stability.  The IMO is the policing agent now correct?  I wonder what standards, if any were in place in the 20's-50's regarding the stability of ships and if the standards have been tightened up as engineers have learned more.

I know from personal experience that, at least on small craft, the boat usually can take more of a roll than its occupants can comfortably take.  I suspect that is the case of the old liners as well.  Although they rolled in seas, with out stabilizers, I suspect they could roll substantially and still right themselves.  I have a book in my library "Seaworthyness, the Forgotten Factor," by C. A. Marchaj.  It goes into detail on stability primarily in sailboats and its effects on safety.  I recall him mentioning the Fastnet racing disaster, where Drum was overturned, turtled.  After the disater and the ensuing investigation, it was found that some of the sailboats are/were actually more stable upside down in the water.

Regardless,  QE2, with her extended foredeck and lack of windows has by far the advantage over any cruise ship at sea now, except one, QM2.

[Magic Pipe]

With stability, its not just how far a ship can roll and recover.  The more important factor is how much upsetting force or energy can a ship take and recover.  Older ships (and by older, I mean about pre-1950) may have been able to recover from a large roll, but it would have taken a relatively small upsetting force to cause that roll.  The Queen Mary fit into this category.  Modern criteria dictate that a ship must posses sufficient righting energy.  The Queen Mary would not meet current stability criteria.  As for modern passenger ships, they will not capsize unless extensive flooding occurs.   The ships that are at most risk of capsizing are those that carry large amounts of unsecured cargo (i.e. bulk carriers) that can shift.

[Adam Hodson]

Really interesting to hear about this. It's amazing how much our QE2 has been through. She must be really well engineered and built to withstand everything she has been through.

[Clydebuilt1971]

Really interesting to hear about this. It's amazing how much our QE2 has been through. She must be really well engineered and built to withstand everything she has been through.

Shes Clydebuilt Adam - 'nuff said!!!!! 

[Adam Hodson]

Shes Clydebuilt Adam - 'nuff said!!!!! 

Definately. Spot on! 

[Adam Hodson]

She is Clydebuilt, the most beautiful ocean liner in existence, one of the fastest liners in existence, and definately one of the toughest. 

[June Ingram]

Shes Clydebuilt Adam - 'nuff said!!!!! 

         June

[Greg Rudd]

Draw your own conclusions on this dramatisation.

[Trevor Harris]

Seen it before. She is a liner from Clydebank. She will get through anything.

[Bob van Leeuwen]

Is there any know footage in any form just after the wave struck? Not that I would expect anybody to have made some, but I have been strangely surprised by this before.

[Thomas Hypher]

Is there any know footage in any form just after the wave struck? Not that I would expect anybody to have made some, but I have been strangely surprised by this before.

Davina (Louis) posted (more of) his photos of the foredeck afterwards above on this forum.

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2095.msg32010.html#msg32010

Isabelle, Davina has posted more of his photos of this event outside of this topic too, not sure where on the forum though.

[Greg Rudd]

Seen it before. She is a liner from Clydebank. She will get through anything.

The only other ship that could get though anything is a Liner built by Newport News ;-) I have often wondered did the SS United States ever encounter a rouge wave in service, as the QM encounter with one as a troop ship would have have been fresh in the minds of many including Gibbs and Cox her designers. Some would argue that the SS United States was the strongest liner ever built so I have no doubt she would have survived a rouge wave just as well as the QE2. Now as to the France that is a different story.

Back to the QE2 one would argue that the removal of the forward lounge in 1972 and sealing up where the windows were actually minimised the damage and flooding caused by the wave. One thing I have noticed is that the France like the QE2 post 1972 has minimal openings from the bridge down to the superstructure, so it was thought about.

What would have been fresh in the mind of the QE2's designers and John Brown's would have been the SS Michelanglo encounter and the damage caused and as a result her design would have been strengthened before construction of the aluminium superstructure began.

http://www.michelangelo-raffaello.com/english_site/service_michelangelo/accident_michelangelo/accident_mich.htm

[Bob C.]

Great clip - high production cost for what looks to be a hobby though.  One mistake (other than the non-QE2 interiors) is that there would not be any lights coming from the bridge.  It would be pitch black in there at night to maximize external visibility.  Spent many a night bumping into things and people on a pitch black bridge.

[Peter Mugridge]

It struck me that the interiors in the clip looked remarkably like those from the Ile de France in the film "The Last Voyage"

[Ron and Cari Brown]

We had pulled into Halifax Nova Scotia on an Ohio class ballistic missile submarine to give the crew a few days of R & R prior to returning to our home base in Kings Bay Georgia. We got underway in the afternoon on the day of the event and commenced our transit out to the dive point which in that area of the world requires quite the lengthy surface transit. We were feeling the affects of hurricane Luis in the form of high winds and waves which was causing many of the on watch crew members to be sea sick. The Officer of the Deck and a Lookout  were stationed in the bridge and both hatches going into the control room were open. Sometime in the early morning the boat took a very hard starboard roll then righted itself. Shortly thereafter an announcement was made on the general announcing circuit of "flooding in the Control Room". When a casualty is announced on a submarine all crew members are to report to their designated general quarters stations. On an Ohio class there are three water tight compartments. The Forward Compartment is four levels with the Control Room being the top level, officer's berthing and the Missile Control Center on the second level, the Galley on the third level and the Torpedo Room at the bottom. The second compartment is the Missile Compartment which has the crew's berthing on the third level. When "flooding" was called away I exited my Bunkroom in the Missile Compartment and was looking into the Forward Compartment through the water tight door. We happened to take a starboard roll and I observed a solid sheet of water coming off of our fan room across the passageway from the Galley. This was three decks down below the Control Room. Without going into all the details, the ship ended up suffering damage to the Fire Control System, the Ballast Control System and our forward AC power distribution system due to saltwater intrusion which almost resulted in fires onboard due to dousing 480V distribution panels in saltwater. We were unable to dive as planned and ended up having to surface transit to Groton CT. to repair the damage.
After we returned to port we were able to reconstruct what happened and it was determined we were hit by a rogue wave. We were aware that the QE2 was hit by a big wave and was in the same area of the ocean as us. We were very fortunate that our OOD and lookout watch in the bridge were wearing safety harnesses or they would have been washed from the bridge. The wave actually came over the top of the sail which caused such a large intrusion of seawater into the Control Room that our Ballast Control Operator assumed we had submerged with our hatches open and commenced an emergency blow of the main ballast tanks to try to keep us on the surface. It turned out to be a very long night for all onboard.

Ron

Attached is a picture of an Ohio class submarine to show the height of the sail with personnel on the bridge.

[Trevor Harris]

It turned out to be a very long night for all onboard.

Ron

Attached is a picture of an Ohio class submarine to show the height of the sail with personnel on the bridge.

Awesome story!

[kevinh]

I watched a video about this, and I still can't believe she survived without the same kind of damage that the Michelangolo. I can only imagine what it must've been like on board.

Just curious, has QM2 experienced such a wave yet?

[Lynda Bradford]

I watched a video about this, and I still can't believe she survived without the same kind of damage that the Michelangolo. I can only imagine what it must've been like on board.

Just curious, has QM2 experienced such a wave yet?

Not sure whether QM2 has experience a freak wave yet but you may be interested in reading Twynkle's account of storm conditions she experienced in 2015

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,7050.msg75854.html#msg75854

[Chris]

I’ve used QE2 as one of the examples of Rogue Waves in this recent video: