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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #140 on: Apr 22, 2016, 10:40 AM »
This might seen to be a strange topic, but I could not find a satisfactory answer on Google, what is precisely the difference between a horn and a whistle? Are are they the same?

Answer - Basically, a ship's horn forces compressed air through a hole in a diaphragm and makes it vibrate at a particular resonant frequency, thus creating sound waves that we hear (except for some of us silly buggers that have stood in front of too many horns, and are now deaf!).
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_horn

A whistle passes high pressure steam or air out of a square orifice cut into a tuned tube (a bit like blowing down into a straw or pipe,but much more powerful). A whistle can also be created by a pea spinning around inside a little drum with a square opening on top. By blowing through the little drum, we are passing air under pressure out the little square orifice on top, and the pea makes it resonate. Think rugby referee!

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_whistle

Maintenance would involve stripping & overhauling the compressor, cleaning the diaphragms, checking for cracks, & reassembling with new joints.
Some ship's horns are run from the engine starting air or auxiliary system air receivers, and some are self-contained with the motor, air compressor, & horn in the one unit.
To run on shore power the compressor motor voltage must be compatible with the shore power voltage as supplied, whatever the configuration of the horn.

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« Reply #141 on: Apr 22, 2016, 12:57 PM »
Thanks so much, Skilly
As a matter of interest - can the Fog-Horn be varied in length of blast as well as the frequency that it sounds - is this a legal maritime requirement?
Is it regulated and set from the Bridge, or do the mechanics happen down in with the ECR etc?

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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #142 on: Apr 22, 2016, 01:45 PM »
Thanks, Skilly, for all of this information.  So, conceivably, QE2's whistle (horn) could be sounded from shore power if configured correctly.  I wonder if those is Dubai would consider doing that.

Very good point and question, Rosie.  I too would be interested in learning about the fog horn and its operation and regulations for use.

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« Reply #143 on: Nov 12, 2017, 06:48 PM »
Thanks so much, Skilly
As a matter of interest - can the Fog-Horn be varied in length of blast as well as the frequency that it sounds - is this a legal maritime requirement?
Is it regulated and set from the Bridge, or do the mechanics happen down in with the ECR etc?

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I know I'm digging up an old topic but the fog horn could be changed in frequency of sounding on the Bridge with no involvement from the ECR as visible in Rob's photo from his Flickr and almost visible in my photo from July 2008 (second photo).

The controls for QE2's mighty whistles by Rob Lightbody, on Flickr

QE2 Mediterranean cruise, July 2008 (my last trip on QE2) by Thomas Hypher, on Flickr

On another note (see what I did there  ;) ) QE2's signal mast horns appear to be of the D and D# (sharp) notes respectively from my research (non scientific with my MIDI keyboard playing at a similar octave through my Hi-Fi speakers).

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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #144 on: Nov 13, 2017, 01:07 AM »
Am I the only one who really just REALLY wants to press a button and hear the horns?

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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #145 on: Nov 13, 2017, 12:35 PM »
Am I the only one who really just REALLY wants to press a button and hear the horns?

Haha no, I would have and do want to!
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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #146 on: Nov 14, 2017, 12:56 PM »
Other than at the noon tests, I believe, as shown in the photo, the switch was left at the "both" setting meaning that when  the button was pressed, the air and electric whistle/ horns sounded together and being slightly different frequencies gave rise to the characteristic beat frequency we all came to enjoy.

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Installation of the Bow Fog Horn
« Reply #147 on: Jan 10, 2018, 05:04 AM »
Hello Everyone,

It has just occurred to me despite studying QE2 quite closely since a young child, that she didn't have a bow mounted fog horn when completed in 1969. I seem to recall reading on this forum that it was fitted due to complaints from passengers in the penthouses caused by the main horns having to be used as fog horns prior to the retrofitting. I was wondering when the original bow foghorn was installed (seems to have been around 1977 from studying photos)?, noting that it occupies some of the space that was taken up by the bow anchor until it was lost in a severe North Atlantic storm sometime in the 1970s (when?).

I am aware that the small mast like structure the foghorn sits on was ripped from the deck by the September 1995 freak wave/s but remained onboard (by some miracle it seems!) and was put back in place. However, the dark painted, round shaped original fog horn seems to have subsequently been replaced by today's vertically orientated rectangular shaped fog horn during her mid 1996 (last) KGV drydocking which repaired the foredeck damage caused the previous September?

Would anyone have any further details/information on my above questions and statements?

Thank you, and please excuse my thoroughness and lack of conciseness!

Thomas
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Re: Installation of the Bow Fog Horn
« Reply #148 on: Jan 10, 2018, 12:02 PM »
Hello Thomas, there are some good photos of the bow foghorn on the Foredeck Layout topic

See photo of the foghorn posted by Chris in reply 5 https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2074.msg22732.html#msg22732

Captain Martini asks what happened to the original tall foredeck mast that was probably replaced by the Foghorn and he thinks it was post 1977 after the addition of suites.   https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2074.msg76417.html#msg76417

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Re: Installation of the Bow Fog Horn
« Reply #149 on: Jan 10, 2018, 02:46 PM »

Hello Everyone,

It has just occurred to me despite studying QE2 quite closely since a young child, that she didn't have a bow mounted fog horn when completed in 1969. I seem to recall reading on this forum that it was fitted due to complaints from passengers in the penthouses caused by the main horns having to be used as fog horns prior to the retrofitting. I was wondering when the original bow foghorn was installed (seems to have been around 1977 from studying photos)?, noting that it occupies some of the space that was taken up by the bow anchor until it was lost in a severe North Atlantic storm sometime in the 1970s (when?).

I am aware that the small mast like structure the foghorn sits on was ripped from the deck by the September 1995 freak wave/s but remained onboard (by some miracle it seems!) and was put back in place. However, the dark painted, round shaped original fog horn seems to have subsequently been replaced by today's vertically orientated rectangular shaped fog horn during her mid 1996 (last) KGV drydocking which repaired the foredeck damage caused the previous September?

Would anyone have any further details/information on my above questions and statements?

Thank you, and please excuse my thoroughness and lack of conciseness!

Thomas

I still cannot find a date when "the foghorn" was installed, although around the time of the penthouse installations is a reasonable estimate.   

The QE2 Whistles has some interesting discussions and mention is made of the foghorn:

Chris Casino mentioned "The Foghorn on the fore-deck was installed to reduce the noise levels in the penthouse cabins."
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,206.msg12849.html#msg12849

Wonderful photo from Isabelle in the QE2 Whistles topic
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,206.msg47548.html#msg47548
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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #150 on: Jan 10, 2018, 07:19 PM »
just so love the bakelite switches, on the control panel, they must have so much to tell

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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #151 on: Jan 10, 2018, 08:39 PM »
From some Google images research of her in the 1970s, the fog horn appears to have only been added after her 1977 Bayonne refit with the addition of the grand suites (Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth). But after she lost her bow anchor (whenever that was in the late 1970s).
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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #152 on: Jan 10, 2018, 08:42 PM »
just so love the bakelite switches, on the control panel, they must have so much to tell

Indeed! It was very interesting to see her original bridge equipment working side by side with modern "2000s" era equipment that had been retrofitted. She was a hybrid in many, many ways, and still is in a lot of ways.
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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #153 on: Jan 10, 2018, 08:50 PM »
Other than at the noon tests, I believe, as shown in the photo, the switch was left at the "both" setting meaning that when  the button was pressed, the air and electric whistle/ horns sounded together and being slightly different frequencies gave rise to the characteristic beat frequency we all came to enjoy.

In a couple of videos from her last tandem (with QM2 - I was on QM2) in October 2008 there is a slight delay in both main horns sounding, a split second where you hear only one and then the familiar beat frequency starts. Heard onboard her and QM2. This was despite both being set to sound.

I am unsure where the fog horn's controls are as the original control panel does not seem to include it (for obvious reason)?
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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #154 on: Feb 19, 2019, 12:07 AM »
QE2's Whistle Blowing and Blowing Passing Northumbrian Quay 17 Sept 2007

Thanks to magwaus

Rob mentioned QE2's whistle in his trip to the Ocean Liner Exhibit.  Listen and enjoy, courtesy of Rosie.  :)
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Re: QE2 Funnel - and Whistle...
« Reply #155 on: Feb 21, 2019, 09:47 PM »

QE2 sounding her horn before leaving Rotterdam in 2007. Probably one of the few videos where I actually shut up and didn't add any smart alec comments to. I do admit I was waiting for Queen Victoria to 'reply' but sadly I didn't hear anything.

Another slightly off topic question, does anyone use the recording of the whistle for their phone ring tones or anything? I use a recording of the whistle for my Skype ring tone - shocks me every time someone calls. And also as the alarm tone on my iPod. The whistle is the perfect way to get me out of bed. Only because it shocks me and then I can't get back to sleep.

I used to have it on my old phone but lost it when I changed to an Apple mobile :(
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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #156 on: Feb 22, 2019, 12:16 AM »
Trying to find a suitable ring tone to download. Lost the old one when I changed comps, have also changed phones since this was a topic on here. So with my new, to me at least, phone, I might actually be able to use it.

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Re: Get your QE2 Horn fix here...
« Reply #157 on: Mar 01, 2019, 06:42 PM »
Further up in this topic, Rosie draws attention to a QE2 whistle ringtone :

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/search/3842159.Get_your_free_QE2_ringtone_for_your_mobile_phone_/

We have had a request in connection with this ringtone offered by the Southampton Echo, since it seems to have disappeared...

Our member John Spofford, writes this :

Quote from: John Spofford
The Southampton Echo, the local newspaper in QE2’s former home port, printed a link, since removed, of a ring-tone of the whistle of QE2. It was downloadable for free, and a great addition/replacement for the dreary selection of ringtones on mobiles.
I have looked through the “Whistle” topic and only find You Tube clips that have a lot of extraneous noise on them, unsuitable for such an important ring-tone.
I thought with the clout of your Forum, you might be able to get it from the newspaper. Certainly worth a try, I should think.

Clout of our Forum... ;D ... that sounds nice... but it's a challenge...

Is anyone here on friendly terms with the Southampton Echo and can ask them to give us back our QE2 whistle?

I notice that the audio in Rob's original QE2 website also seems to have gone...

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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #158 on: Mar 01, 2019, 10:45 PM »
MP3# any use,
 Thanks to Skilly

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Re: QE2 Whistles
« Reply #159 on: Mar 01, 2019, 10:54 PM »
MP3# any use,
 Thanks to Skilly

Wow! Thank you, Rod and Skilly!

I hope that John with enjoy it :) .

 

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