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Online Michael Gallagher

Constructing the Staircases
« on: May 21, 2010, 08:07 PM »
The first picture is D Stairway from Upper Deck to Quarter Deck under construction. The lift casing is there. And this would have become the entrance to the Columbia / Mauretania and Caronia Restaurants over the years.

The second photo is E Stairway under construction: Boat Deck downwards. The four lift casings in place.

The third photo is a great one of E under construction.

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 03:30 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb and say #64 is  Stairway D taken from the Boat Deck looking at the theater balcony entrance? It could be Q Deck looking at the Columbia Restaurant entrance (sorry, I'm old school).  Hard to tell with nothing built topside yet.  It's definitely Stairway D though.

Given the two types of metal in #66 (classic colors of unpainted steel and aluminum surfaces)  and the four openings on the back bulkhead, I'd say we are looking at Stairway E between Quarter Deck and 1 Deck.

Given the shape of the stairway well, #14 could be A or E Stairway but I think it's E again because of the 2 lift openings behind the man in the picture.  Counting the decks and since the well formed by the stairs in Stairway E goes from a rectangle to more of a sqaure between 2 and 3 Decks, I think the man is standing on 2 Deck (see this photo taken of the Stairway E from the Boat Deck - http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/515292863_ba2a8f3a0e.jpg).

Any other takers?  This makes for a great game - ID the spot on QE2!
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 01:48 PM by Bob C. »

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 03:54 PM »
More great images!

....and the four openings on the back bulkead, I'd say we are looking at Stairway E between Quarter Deck and 1 Deck.
....
Bob - these must be the entry 'spaces' (eventually sliding doors) to the lifts (elevators!!) on E Stairway!
It was often the busiest place, (designed before the days when the need to accommodate wheelchairs became obligatory!)

In the early days (?) didn't one (or more?) of the staircases have a sort of panelling (pale wood colour) parallel beneath the bannisters?
Rosie
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 05:21 PM by Twynkle »

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 04:31 PM »
In the early days (?) didn't one (or more?) of the staircases have a sort of panelling (pale wood colour) parallel beneath the bannisters?
Rosie

None of the balustrades were wood colored or grained; all were colored plastic.  A, D and G were blue, white and red, respectively and B, C, E, F and H were the same orangish color.

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 05:08 PM »
As in the VADS publication (3rd and 4th from the top left!)
...some had ochre coloured cladding.
http://vads.ac.uk/diad/article.php?title=244&year=1969&article=d.244.39
I thought that originally they had been a sort of veneer look-a-like!
There's a good photograph in one of the copies of Architecture Review (?date)
sorry that I can't show you - it was taken at roughly the same time that you travelled on board!

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 06:51 PM »
Rosie, if you are talking about the small inset photo on pg 51, that's Stariway E.  Its orange but the grainyness of the photo makes it look wood-grained.  Here is a photo of Stariway E from 1974.


Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 06:52 PM »
That's the one!
Thank you!

Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 12:59 AM »
Forgotten which of the minor stairways this was, but I have a July 2008 photo showing the orange plastic re-appearing beneath the paint :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2702725689/




Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 07:25 AM »
Isabelle, this is good!
I remember thinking when you posted the sticky bits on the cabin door handles, here's someone who has an eye for detail...
Your powers of observation and sense of the need to preserve the memory of QE2 is nothing short of fantastic!

The VADS description of the colour is definitely 'ochre' - rather than orange.

http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/diad/article.php?title=244&year=1969&article=d.244.39

Ochre is a sort of 'natural' colour, (used by the earliest painters 'Egyptian, Italian etc') and not as harsh as orange
My guess is that the staircases of QE2 were designed to resemble a rich post-war sense of 'mod', safe and 'natural'.
Ochre goes better with teak!!

These are in complete contrast to the steps/stairs around the crew areas - does anyone have any images of these?
 


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Online Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 10:19 AM »
Thank you, Rosie, for bringing us back to the VADS journal :

Quote
Colour has been used as an identifying factor throughout the public part of the ship. The colour of the handrail and the double GRP ribbon - ochre, red, blue or white gives each of the four main staircases serving the public rooms an identity and relates to the surrounding colours (the interior colour of the lift cars follows that of the adjacent balustrade).

The picture I took was definitely on one of the minor stairways. Such a pity I never recorded which it was... But I seem to remember that orange was underneath the paint on all of them, which puzzled me at the time, as I had (mis)remembered reading in the journal that each stairway had its own distinctive colour. Re-reading the paragraph quoted above, that must have been true for the A, D, E and G stairways only.

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 10:24 AM »
I think the staircase in Isabelle's photograph was C?

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2010, 11:55 AM »
Staircase C is/was very narrow, 'fraid I can't remember either!

Here you can just see the white beneath the green.
Difficult to imagine that any of the balustrades were kept white for long...
(Bit cold, and easily subject to marks!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/watch_keeper/4629892792/

What would you think of the balustrades if they were white here?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/watch_keeper/4629892794/in/set-72157623686397634/

I wonder what other earlier images of staircases might have be visible in the brochures....
I'll have a look....sometime!
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 12:11 PM by Twynkle »

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2010, 02:38 PM »
Forgotten which of the minor stairways this was, but I have a July 2008 photo showing the orange plastic re-appearing beneath the paint :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2702725689/


I'm going to say that the stairway in question is Stairway B (my favorite after Stairway D below 3 Deck).  Compare the limited background clues to this photo in my "QE2 Stairways and Lifts" photo set on Flickr - https://www.flickr.com/photos/33120597@N03/sets/72157610831811386/
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 10:31 AM by Rob Lightbody »

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2010, 03:04 PM »
Bob

I thought B at first but they the way the handrail is suggests the picture is back to front for it to be B. I think this is C at One Deck level (outside the Princess Grill Bar and the top of the stairway).

Anyone with any other suggestions?

Flagship

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2010, 03:47 PM »
Here's C stairway!
Wasn't it one of the few 'single' stairways?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/3107843685/sizes/l/
Did C stairway go from deck one to five, past the Pursers office?






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Offline cunardqueen

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2010, 04:06 PM »
Isnt it amazing that when the stairways were built they were seen as modern and trendsetting and even on her farewell trips they were still amazing and trendsetting.
 Personally l just loved D stairway outside the Caronia, Then again A stairwary looking down was always impressive .
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

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Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2010, 04:14 PM »
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Did C stairway go from deck one to five, past the Pursers office?

Rosie the Stairway C goes from One Deck down to Seven Deck.It has one lift with it.

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Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2010, 04:27 PM »
Here is how the stairways run

A from Boat Deck to Five Deck with 3 lifts
B from Two Deck to Five Deck no lifts
C from One Deck to Five Deck with 1 lift
D from Boat Deck to Five Deck with 2 lifts
E from Boat Deck to Five Deck with 4 lifts
F from One Deck to Six Deck with 1 lift
G from Upper Deck to Five Deck with 2 lifts, in the 1994 refit a stairway was added to connect the Upper to Boat Deck
H from One Deck to Five Deck

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2010, 04:56 PM »
Here is how the stairways run

A from Boat Deck to Five Deck with 3 lifts
B from Two Deck to Five Deck no lifts
C from One Deck to Five Deck with 1 lift
D from Boat Deck to Five Deck with 2 lifts
E from Boat Deck to Five Deck with 4 lifts
F from One Deck to Six Deck with 1 lift
G from Upper Deck to Five Deck with 2 lifts, in the 1994 refit a stairway was added to connect the Upper to Boat Deck
H from One Deck to Five Deck

Another clue for stariway ID is that B, C and H do not have the add-on metal handrails.  The above choices for the photo in question are Stariway B and C.  I'll have to do a bit more looking at it.

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2010, 04:58 PM »
Can anyone validate my assumption on photo #14

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2010, 05:30 PM »
The latest version of E stairway!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/31803347@N08/3028306190/
by sharon.ramsbottom

Pia's image of the plan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/piasosua/2933873123/sizes/o/



Offline cunardqueen

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2010, 06:16 PM »
And how often have we used E stairs because we knew it went everywhere..
In fact who hasnt at some  stage walked all the way from 5 deck upto Boat deck just for the heck of it ;D
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2010, 08:34 PM »
And here's how sad I am! I counted the number of steps on each staircase:

A: 123
B: 44
C: 96 plus 18 on spiral staircase up to Princess Grill
D: 119 x 2 = 238 + 6 (Boat Deck leading to Theatre)
E: 110 x 2 = 220. Only staircase where each side meets at each landing.
F: 62
G: 94 x 2 = 188. + 4 (leading to Yacht Club). + 6 (leading to QE and QE2 display cases). + 20 (spiral stairs leading to Boat Deck)
F: 61

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2010, 09:00 PM »
I think this is the same railing that was taken by Isabelle so that would make it C as I originally guessed.

Offline cunardqueen

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2010, 09:09 PM »
Im still trying to get over the number of steps.....
It was always A stairs that got me, by the time l got to Boat Deck l was in no fit condition to speak for some time
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2010, 09:39 PM »
And here's how sad I am! I counted the number of steps on each staircase:

A: 123
B: 44
C: 96 plus 18 on spiral staircase up to Princess Grill
D: 119 x 2 = 238 + 6 (Boat Deck leading to Theatre)
E: 110 x 2 = 220. Only staircase where each side meets at each landing.
F: 62
G: 94 x 2 = 188. + 4 (leading to Yacht Club). + 6 (leading to QE and QE2 display cases). + 20 (spiral stairs leading to Boat Deck)
F: 61

If this is how to do 'sad', it's pretty darn good too!

About the few 'extras' - both into the Caronia and the Mauritania dining rooms
Do you remember how many into each entrance?
Mauritania, I think had about 2-3 - and Caronia, were there more - say 6?
If we are going outside - there were quite a few more!
Here's a very good picture!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/3956565680/


These balustrades were wood, weren't they? Albeit later additions!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2695789087/



Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2010, 09:46 PM »
Rosie: Mauretania had 2 and Caronia had 4 (each side = 8) steps. The balustrades in the Penthouse block were wood.

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2010, 09:48 PM »
Stairway C it is.  I agree Flagship.

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2010, 08:28 PM »
Back in August 2009 I described how the original layout of E Stairway was to be totally different to how E Stairway eventually turned out.  Early plans show that the row of four lifts on E were originally to have been split into two groups of two opposite each other but with one group on port side and the other on starboard.This split was originally to allow this stairway to be used by Cabin and Tourist Class passengers.

I now have access to a scanner so have attached two plans. The first was how E was originally designed and the second how E was built.

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2010, 08:45 PM »
This arrangement with a thin dividing wall where the centre bannister is - it would have been a bit of a squeeze
specially for those after a few many-course dinners!


Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2010, 09:51 PM »
This arrangement with a thin dividing wall where the centre bannister is - it would have been a bit of a squeeze
specially for those after a few many-course dinners!


Not to mention how many times you would want to use E but end up on wrong side of the wall for your class.  Given my experience, it would be around 100% of the time.



It's also interesting that I just now realized - the lift I was "stuck" at age 6 was lift No. 13 - hmmm... 
You can read the story here - https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,64.msg334.html#msg334
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 09:55 PM by Bob C. »

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2010, 10:16 PM »
Stairway C it is.  I agree Flagship.

Then again...

I think I might change my mind.  I'd go back to Stariway B but the stairs seem to go in the wrong direction for the orientation of Isabelle's photo.  In other words the stairs in this picture go down from left to right and one cannot orient a camera to get the same picture on B unless the photo is reversed since B's stairs go down from right to left.  Again, look at the stairway photos here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/33120597@N03/sets/72157610831811386/

The only other logical conclusion since A, D, E, F and G have the metal rail extensions is that Isabelle's photo is of Stariway H which I think it very well may be.

The photos at the above link only go up to 3 deck.  Does anyone have pictures of Stariway H at the top on 1 Deck?

Yeah, I know...I'm obsessing.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 10:28 PM by Bob C. »

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2010, 10:25 PM »
Bob - I'm sticking with C. Below is a photo of the top of Stairway B. It just doesn't match. Plus look at the aluminium rail in the other picture - that is angled when the aluminium rail on B would be horizontal when veiwed from the same angle.

Offline Twynkle

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2010, 10:27 PM »
Just for good measure - Here's another taken at the top of of Stairway B
No sign of it other than a disappearing carpet!
However, Mr Duffy's room is here too.
Thanks to Pia

https://www.flickr.com/photos/piasosua/3057619270/
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 10:29 PM by Twynkle »

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2010, 10:31 PM »
Bob - stairway H at the top of One Deck as requested.

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2010, 03:54 AM »
Flagship,
    I'm still obsessing over this photo. Do you have a picture of the top of Stairway C?

Offline Mauretania1907

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2010, 11:44 PM »
There was one stairway which was quite narrow, and I could find it going down to 5 deck, but whenever I wanted to go up, I could not discover it as it was hidden around a corner somewhere. (I swear she was laughing at me trying to find it) But what stairway could it have been.
Once I have finished all my assignments, I will dig up my deck plans and try to work it out. Sorry I have no stairway pix, did not think to take them.

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #37 on: Jun 01, 2010, 09:49 AM »
The stairway down to Five Deck you mention sounds like it was D Stairway which did break into seperate staircases from Four to Five Decks.

Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #38 on: Aug 31, 2010, 03:08 AM »
Forgotten which of the minor stairways this was, but I have a July 2008 photo showing the orange plastic re-appearing beneath the paint :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2702725689/





Thanks to Flagship and his stairway collection, my obsession is over.  Isabelle's photo was taken at the top of C Stairway on 1 Deck.  See the second photo on this thread for a wider view of the area Isabelle shot with her camera - https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2313.0.html.

Offline Trevor Harris

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #39 on: Aug 29, 2017, 04:53 AM »
I would love to see these panels restored to as is. Along with the carpeting etc. I have a problem with the green and the pink/red/fuchsia carpeting..
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Offline Bob C.

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #40 on: Aug 29, 2017, 09:30 PM »
I would love to see these panels restored to as is. Along with the carpeting etc. I have a problem with the green and the pink/red/fuchsia carpeting..

Here, here Trevor.  Not my cup of tea either.  The originals are still my favorite.

Offline Trevor Harris

Re: Constructing the Staircases
« Reply #41 on: Aug 29, 2017, 10:32 PM »
Here, here Trevor.  Not my cup of tea either.  The originals are still my favorite.

Kinda clashes.. but that's what made her "unique" per say!
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