Author Topic: QE2 - The Flagship  (Read 49619 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Andy F

Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #15 on: Mar 21, 2012, 02:46 AM »
Sounds Rod, which is why QE (or whichever vessel Chris Wells happens to be Master of at the time), is entitled to fly the Blue Ensign due to him holding rank privilege as Commander (RNR).
Start every day with a smile and get it over with

Offline holynougat

Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #16 on: Mar 21, 2014, 08:33 AM »
I wonder if Chirs Wells is still allowed to fly the blue ensign now that the ship is registered in Bermuda?

Online Michael Gallagher

Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #17 on: Mar 21, 2014, 07:20 PM »
Yes he is and yes he does.

Offline holynougat

Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #18 on: Mar 21, 2014, 07:42 PM »
Well, you say he 'is allowed' - given that the Cunard ships are registered in Bermuda, I don't really see how that can sit with the below:
I'm slightly miffed they are allowed to fly a UK red ensign as it is.

British merchant ships and fishing vessels are allowed to wear the plain Blue Ensign under the authority of a special Warrant, subject to certain conditions being fulfilled, and which are outlined below.
Vessels registered on the British Registry of Shipping may wear a plain Blue Ensign providing the master or skipper is in possession of a warrant issued by the Director of Naval Reserves under the authority of the Secretary of State for Defence, and the additional conditions outlined below are fulfilled. The Blue Ensign is to be struck if the officer to whom the warrant was issued relinquishes command, or if the ship or vessel passes into foreign ownership and ceases to be a British ship as defined by MSA 95.

Offline Alan Snelson

  • Global Moderator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 1115
  • Total likes: 838
  • Ships Photographer '78 - '82
Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #19 on: Mar 21, 2014, 08:48 PM »
The MSA 95 section relating to "British ships" is extracted below.

With Bermuda being a British Overseas Territory, wouldn't the vessel qualify under sub-section (c)

Quote
1 British ships and United Kingdom ships.

(1)A ship is a British ship if—
(a)the ship is registered in the United Kingdom under Part II; or
(b)the ship is, as a Government ship, registered in the United Kingdom in pursuance of an Order in Council under section 308; or
(c)the ship is registered under the law of a relevant British possession; or
(d)the ship is a small ship other than a fishing vessel and—
(i)is not registered under Part II, but
(ii)is wholly owned by qualified owners, and
(iii)is not registered under the law of a country outside the United Kingdom.
(2)For the purposes of subsection (1)(d) above—
“qualified owners” means persons of such description qualified to own British ships as is prescribed by regulations made by the Secretary of State for the purposes of that paragraph; and
“small ship” means a ship less than 24 metres in length (“length” having the same meaning as in the tonnage regulations).
(3)A ship is a “United Kingdom ship” for the purposes of this Act (except section 85 and 144(3)) if the ship is registered in the United Kingdom under Part II (and in Part V “United Kingdom fishing vessel” has a corresponding meaning).
« Last Edit: Mar 21, 2014, 08:55 PM by Alan Snelson »
Don't just be part of her past, be part of her history!

Offline holynougat

Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #20 on: Mar 21, 2014, 09:19 PM »
Yes - I suppose you are both right!

Online Rob Lightbody

  • Administrator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 12375
  • Total likes: 15954
  • Helping to Keep The Legend Alive
    • Rob Lightbody dot com
Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2014, 12:47 PM »
QE2 passes flagship status to QM2
1st May 2004
Thanks to Pothila for the video

Congratulations to Queen Mary 2 as flagship of Cunard.

Ten years today.

What a ten years it's been.  The beginning for QM2 marked the beginning of the end for QE2. I remember thinking that at the time.
Passionate about QE2's service life for 40 years and creator of this website.  I have worked in IT for 28 years and created my personal QE2 website in 1994.

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2014, 01:03 PM »
What a ten years it's been.  The beginning for QM2 marked the beginning of the end for QE2. I remember thinking that at the time.

The sale of Caronia took her in the same direction -- QE2 was no longer the principal transatlantic liner, and instead took up the role that Caronia had vacated.

I cannot deny though that I enjoyed those years when QE2 was busy cruising some of the most scenic parts of Europe! As well as continuing world cruises and the occasional transatlantic... they were well filled years... that ended all too quickly...

Offline June Ingram

  • Global Moderator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 9623
  • Total likes: 6557
  • Beautiful, elegant QE2 - forever Queen of the Seas
Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2014, 02:26 PM »
There is something very poignant and melancholy about our beloved QE2 relinquishing her flagship status, even though she was required to do so.   :(
QE2 - the ship for all of time, a ship of timeless beauty !

Offline Adam Hodson

  • Ocean Liner Enthusiast
  • Princess Grill Diner
  • ****
  • Posts: 843
  • Total likes: 82
  • A young photographer, and a QE2 & Concorde lover!
    • Flickr Photostream
Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2014, 05:36 PM »
There is something very poignant and melancholy about our beloved QE2 relinquishing her flagship status, even though she was required to do so.   :(

Yes I agree :(
"The QE2 is one of the last great transatlantic liners, and arguably the most famous liner in the world"

"QE2 and Concorde, a partnership that lasted almost 30 years... two stunning pieces of engineering, never to be forgotten!"

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2014, 06:25 PM »
There is something very poignant and melancholy about our beloved QE2 relinquishing her flagship status, even though she was required to do so.   :(

I wonder how it felt to the passengers and crew on board either of the two ships at the time? Would they have been aware of the gravity of the moment?

Offline June Ingram

  • Global Moderator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 9623
  • Total likes: 6557
  • Beautiful, elegant QE2 - forever Queen of the Seas
Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2014, 07:01 PM »
Hi Isabelle - I suspect those aboard our QE2 might have appreciated the gravity of the moment more and felt the sadness of relinquishing the role of flagship.  Do we have Forum members here who might have been aboard QE2 or QM2 ?  June
QE2 - the ship for all of time, a ship of timeless beauty !

Offline MiamiCunarder

QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2014, 11:38 AM »
June, I was onboard QE2 on that last crossing where she relinquished her roll upon arrival into So'ton. We docked at the Mayflower Terminal and not at QEII as she had been used to as Cunard's flagship. QM2 had come in a little later and maneuvered herself at the QEII Terminal. Before disembarking on that gloomy and misty morning, I strolled by the entrance to the Yacht Club and to my surprise, the Britannia Cup was already gone from the display it had been proudly displayed for so long. That's when it truly hit me, that an epic era was truly over.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
« Last Edit: May 02, 2014, 11:43 AM by MiamiCunarder »

Offline June Ingram

  • Global Moderator
  • Queens Grill Diner
  • *****
  • Posts: 9623
  • Total likes: 6557
  • Beautiful, elegant QE2 - forever Queen of the Seas
Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2014, 01:38 PM »
June, I was onboard QE2 on that last crossing where she relinquished her roll upon arrival into So'ton. We docked at the Mayflower Terminal and not at QEII as she had been used to as Cunard's flagship. QM2 had come in a little later and maneuvered herself at the QEII Terminal. Before disembarking on that gloomy and misty morning, I strolled by the entrance to the Yacht Club and to my surprise, the Britannia Cup was already gone from the display it had been proudly displayed for so long. That's when it truly hit me, that an epic era was truly over.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thank you, MiamiCunarder, for your reply and remembrances.  It really must have felt a sad day, with gloom and mist not helping.  The weather felt sad also !  June  :(
QE2 - the ship for all of time, a ship of timeless beauty !

Offline Adam Hodson

  • Ocean Liner Enthusiast
  • Princess Grill Diner
  • ****
  • Posts: 843
  • Total likes: 82
  • A young photographer, and a QE2 & Concorde lover!
    • Flickr Photostream
Re: QE2 - The Flagship
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2014, 06:23 PM »
I'm sure it was a shame for her to lose her flagship status after all those years of service and being the flagship.
"The QE2 is one of the last great transatlantic liners, and arguably the most famous liner in the world"

"QE2 and Concorde, a partnership that lasted almost 30 years... two stunning pieces of engineering, never to be forgotten!"