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Pat Curry

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #20 on: Feb 20, 2010, 07:55 PM »
We may not have much of a navy left but we do have a working Queen.

I'm considering placing this ad in the MOD News:
"Troop ship available for immediate vacant possession. Has had previous experience. Add-on hellideck available.  Capacity 6,000 or more.  Recent dry dock completed. Ready to sail, engines running, most things in working order (kind of). Supply your own crew for all departments. Falklands charts on board.  Contact Rob Lightbody for favourable terms and volunteer social hosts/hostesses"

Offline Twynkle

QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #22 on: Feb 22, 2010, 09:21 AM »
In Louis' photo with the list of Falklands ships, the one listed directly below QE2 (which was probably the shortest-serving ship in the campaign except for those that were sunk), the 'tev Rangatira' (built by Swann Hunter, 1971), was the longest serving ship in the campaign - she was away from Falmouth for 16 months, and, while in the Falklands, did not berth alongside a wharf anywhere during that time. She would up-anchor and steam out to sea for refuelling and to fire off a few rounds from the armament to keep the troops awake, then steam back into the anchorage to continue her job as a hostel for the troops while new barracks were being built ashore.
She was built as an overnight ferry for the NZ Interisland run, where she was operated by the NZ Union Steamship Company for 4 years, then returned to the UK after proving uneconomic to run in it's intended trade.
As an apprentice, I worked on it during the surveys/dockings in 1972-3. A very nice ship to sail on (I did, twice).
Finally broken up in May 2005, she is believed to be the last steam-turbo-electric ferry built.
Cheers
Skilly

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Re: QE2 and the Falkland Islands Campaign
« Reply #23 on: Feb 23, 2010, 04:20 PM »
Here's a link to the Falkland Islands Memorial Chapel. It was built and named in honour of those involved with, and those who gave their lives during the Falklands campaign. It is at Pangbourne College, Reading - this is  a school that has a long association with the Royal Navy and it's good to see the Merchant Navy well represented by Captain McNaught.
http://www.falklands-chapel.org.uk/news-2010-singles.pdf
« Last Edit: Feb 23, 2010, 04:23 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #24 on: Feb 23, 2010, 07:13 PM »
In Louis' photo with the list of Falklands ships, the one listed directly below QE2 (which was probably the shortest-serving ship in the campaign except for those that were sunk), the 'tev Rangatira' (built by Swann Hunter, 1971), was the longest serving ship in the campaign - she was away from Falmouth for 16 months, and, while in the Falklands, did not berth alongside a wharf anywhere during that time. She would up-anchor and steam out to sea for refuelling and to fire off a few rounds from the armament to keep the troops awake, then steam back into the anchorage to continue her job as a hostel for the troops while new barracks were being built ashore.
She was built as an overnight ferry for the NZ Interisland run, where she was operated by the NZ Union Steamship Company for 4 years, then returned to the UK after proving uneconomic to run in it's intended trade.
As an apprentice, I worked on it during the surveys/dockings in 1972-3. A very nice ship to sail on (I did, twice).
Finally broken up in May 2005, she is believed to be the last steam-turbo-electric ferry built.
Cheers
Skilly
Found this site, she was a lovely looking vessel
http://www.bluestarline.org/rangatira.html

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Re: QE2 and the Falkland Islands Campaign
« Reply #25 on: Feb 23, 2010, 07:47 PM »
Here's a link to the Falkland Islands Memorial Chapel. It was built and named in honour of those involved with, and those who gave their lives during the Falklands campaign. It is at Pangbourne College, Reading - this is  a school that has a long association with the Royal Navy and it's good to see the Merchant Navy well represented by Captain McNaught.
http://www.falklands-chapel.org.uk/news-2010-singles.pdf

Rosie, reading that news letter really brings home to you how the conflict has effected and continues to effect those people who were in or associated with the conflict. For most of us it was a huge news item at the time. These people still live with the conflict 28 years later, amazing....

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #26 on: Feb 23, 2010, 08:31 PM »
Hi Jem,

Rangatira had the correct coloured funnel to be a Cunard ship, as well as the looks!
Cheers
Skilly

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #27 on: Apr 19, 2010, 02:51 PM »
Some more info' regarding the  Falklands conflict I've just come across,          from steward Ted Worsley.    "as they were sailing north and the (Falkland) islands were being retaken, BBC broadcasts received on the ship listed the names of men killed in action. As Ted walked along the cabin corridors he occasionally saw some of those same names, as though tombstones, still lettered neatly on the hardboard flooring outside the cabin doors.
    Ted rembered their faces well, these absurdly young, brave soldiers  - "my passengers" he called them - who had flocked onboard in such high spirits bound for their Falkland adventure."   P103.  'TRIBUTE TO A QUEEN  John Maxtone Graham.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2010, 10:55 PM »
THE QUEEN IS CALLED UP.... 12 MAY 1982


« Last Edit: Jun 25, 2017, 11:19 AM by Lynda Bradford »
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #30 on: Aug 31, 2010, 06:55 AM »
There's a photo of some of the Falklands crew here :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,985.msg24989.html#msg24989

Thinking about this amazing voyage again, with the ship so crammed with soldiers, I wonder were the barriers between crew spaces and passenger spaces maintained as usual, or were the soldiers freely allowed into crew accommodation and leisure facilities?

Did the officers dine in the Queen's Grill?

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #31 on: Oct 18, 2010, 09:03 AM »
In relation to the post regarding the technical aspects of the voyage.
Before departure it was apparent they could not get enough feed water into the boilers, the ship had to sail on time because of the media coverage consequently she was towed out by 6 tugs!
she anchored off the isle of wight away from the coast, the problem was found after around 6 hours and she set off to Accention island.

Some time before the trip there had been some misalignment on the main turbine couplings, Lioyds were monitoring the situation and limited the speed to 144RPM instead of 168 RPM , which equates to around 24 knots.
So she had a leasurely trip down to south Georgia because of this, the only things that drove the re engining was fuel prices and the ease of operation of a diesel plant.
It was later determined that Lloyds had put a decimal point in the wrong place! and the speed restriction was lifted.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #32 on: Oct 31, 2010, 09:51 PM »
This must have been an extraordinary time - and thank you for giving us some details of her departure.
Supplies and stores etc - were these all provided by the MOD?
It seems as if it was a long time before she could take on more food etc
It would be interesting too, to know whether QE2 was used as a hospital ship in South Georgia.

Beyond Ships' report.
http://www.beyondships.com/QE2-Falklands-1.html
(It's easier to read in pdf format - link on page 1 of report)
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #33 on: Mar 09, 2011, 05:46 PM »
Linda Kitson war artist.  A display of her QE2 war drawings will be shown next to the QE2 model at the new Riverside Museum in Glasgow.

A few good photos here

 https://www.youtube.com/user/riversideappeal#p/u/2/bcvYSe-pSRs

« Last Edit: Apr 26, 2012, 11:19 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »
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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #34 on: Mar 09, 2011, 06:40 PM »
Linda Kitson war artist.  A display of her QE2 war drawings will be shown next to the QE2 model at the new Riverside Museum in Glasgow.

A few good photos here

 https://www.youtube.com/user/riversideappeal#p/u/2/bcvYSe-pSRs

Absolutely brilliant stuff!1  Thanks so much for finding and posting.  I must try to get in touch with the curator involved - David Scott.  I'd love to volunteer to help out in fact.
Passionate about QE2's service life for 35 years and creator of this website.

Offline Rod

Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #35 on: Jul 26, 2011, 12:10 AM »
Regarding QE 2 and Canberra.   I think you will find when the official info from the campaign is released, that the UK government found out that the QE 2 was to be the #1 target as posted previously. There was also a submarine missing that the RN couldnt find, being made difficult by the fact that it was a former US sub. The political and financial cost also came into play as the government would have been responsible for replacing any ship lost as Lloyds becomes void as soon as the ship comes under MOD control. Cost for Canberra.....40 m pounds, cost for QE 2,,,132m pounds. The government still had no idea how they were going to pay for this war. Up until about 2 days before we arrived at South Georgia we were going to go to Bomb Alley.
Trust me on this.

On another topic mentioned here.
Every British ship, built in Britain, using government money for loans etc, has to be capable of being converted for war service. This includes strengthening of various ares to support guns etc. Those plans existed for QE 2 but implementation would have taken too long.. For example the forward cargo hold would have become a huge magazine with the ammo going straight up to the gun/guns on the hatch cover.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #36 on: Jul 26, 2011, 12:53 AM »
Regarding QE 2 and Canberra.   I think you will find when the official info from the campaign is released,....

The political and financial cost also came into play as the government would have been responsible for replacing any ship lost as Lloyds becomes void as soon as the ship comes under MOD control. Cost for Canberra.....40 m pounds, cost for QE 2,,,132m pounds....

Trust me on this....

Rod - your post is interesting, thanks so much.
 The official Falklands info could be released quite soon, I guess - unless it's regarded as exceptionally sensitive.
(Recently, I read Captain Hart-Dykes book about HMS Coventry - and how he and the remaining crew returned to the UK on board QE2 - his is a personal account of the previous 'Four weeks in May')
You mention Lloyds.  I wonder - are you referring to the underwriters - and / or the Register?
Regarding safety and classification etc, as she was STUFT, then wouldn't she still be subject to assessment by Lloyds for registration etc,  or maybe this is done by the RN for the MOD?

In any case, it would be really interesting to know how much of the engineers' work actually changed as she'd become a troop ship.
I guess the changes were much greater for you guys, than they were for the Deck dept??
Did you get extra crew on board before leaving Soton to give you a hand - and maybe, was there a contingent from the RN on board too?
Please forgive me if you aren't able/ allowed to answer these questions!!
Thanks again - It's so good that you are here!
Rosie.
 
« Last Edit: Jul 26, 2011, 01:00 AM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #37 on: Jul 30, 2011, 11:45 AM »
Lloyds insurance. I think you will find that the government became the insurer.
As far as the work changing. With 3500 troops on board there was less damage than with regular passengers. The military had their own workshops that were "craned" onto the decks aft and were used by armorors etc. They were then lifted off by helicopter.
We had to install 20 washing machines and dryers in the room service pantries for the troops to use. These were mostly liberate by the crew afterwards.
The RN put a "Working Party" on board to take care of the war type things. They stayed with us there and back. One of them I met later as he became my sons high school principal!  YES in Florida! Small world.
One way in which my job changed. The Scots Guards had come straight from Buckingham Palace with shiny bayonets. After a lecture about the Geneva convention I got the task of sharpening and blackening 700 of them!

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #38 on: Dec 21, 2011, 10:34 PM »
ITV News have just shown a 1982 clip of one of QE2's tenders in choppy water off South Georgia for a couple of seconds.
Sadly, there wasn't any reference to QE2 - just something about the ongoing struggle.
'Couldn't believe my eyes!'!!

QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
« Reply #39 on: Dec 21, 2011, 11:42 PM »
If one of QE2's launches was in the water off South Georgia, I was on it.