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Offline Stowaway2k

Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« on: Feb 09, 2009, 01:01 AM »
ex-Vistafjjord, now Saga Ruby

my 12-minute video slideshow tribute to the third Cunard ship to carry the name CARONIA

http://www.vimeo.com/3136084
from a May 2004 Med cruise

enjoy   :)
« Last Edit: Oct 31, 2011, 03:04 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

Offline singlemalt

Re: Caronia
« Reply #1 on: Feb 09, 2009, 07:16 PM »
Beautiful ship Kyle - did you enjoy travelling on her?

I had the pleasure of being in port with Saga Ruby twice while away this Christmas / New Year on a cruise.
The ship I was on wasn't that fabulous and if I'm being honest, seeing Saga Ruby is probably one of the highlights of the whole God forsaken 2 weeks!
I was up on deck very early to sail in behind her and out watching her as we departed. Had a lovely day in Gran Canaria where we were berthed behind her and I got some great shots from the quayside in bright sunshine...then some not so good ones in driving rain in Lanzarote!

Rob got lucky (?!) with some very early morning photo messages - she looked very beautiful in semi darkness with all her lights on; just like a mini QE2  ;D I shed a few tears and did slightly wish I was 50 so I would be allowed to travel on her.

Will post a link when I've uploaded pictures to flickr so you can see what she is looking like now!

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Offline Waverley

Re: Caronia
« Reply #2 on: Feb 09, 2009, 07:36 PM »
Ali,
    I am sure that you could have travelled on this ship. I think that the rules are -  as long as you are travelling with someone who is 50+  you are OK.  Except if you are a child , a big NO

Kyle, I enjoyed the video slideshow

Robert
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Offline Stowaway2k

Re: Caronia
« Reply #3 on: Feb 09, 2009, 07:55 PM »
Beautiful ship Kyle - did you enjoy travelling on her?


Positively
I would rate her as an equal to QE2, in terms of style and beauty.
She's just smaller...

Her passenger load seemed to be a bit more towards the OAPs than QE2, but that has nothing to do with whether or not I'm going to enjoy a ship.

She's a gorgeous ship and was meticulously maintaned.

Cunard's decision to be rid of her signalled a confirmation of their shift from luxury niche to more mass-market.

Saga has made a great success of Saga Ruby, even improved upon her, so it's a mystery as to why Cunard felt she was no longer "Cunard" enough...

Just look at what has followed.   :o

Offline Mauretania1907

Re: Caronia
« Reply #4 on: Feb 13, 2009, 08:47 AM »
Saga Rose is coming to Auckland for I believe the last time in about 10 days time. I hope to be down at Princes Wharf to take a few pix before going to work. I saw her last as Sagafjord and I think I have pix, but would have to get a print to scan. Sorry I have an old-style camera, cannot do Flicker or whatever. How lucky we are that people can do all this so we can share memories. I am so grateful to everyone.

Offline singlemalt

Saga Ruby pics
« Reply #5 on: Feb 20, 2009, 08:00 PM »
Just uploaded a set to flickr - taken at the end of December.

For anyone who wants to see what she looks like now....  :'(

https://www.flickr.com/photos/singlemalt_ali/sets/72157614114435393/
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Offline pete cain

Re: Caronia
« Reply #6 on: Feb 20, 2009, 08:45 PM »
Dear Singlemalt, fantasitic shots, you've just got to ask yourself what do people want nowadays?? these (non sexist) ladies have so much class , I wished I looked so well!. It happened with Norway & I'm afraid it might happen  with our girl,life isn't all about balconies!     (put up another parking lot!!!)

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Caronia
« Reply #7 on: Feb 20, 2009, 09:59 PM »
Beautiful pics, Ali! Yes, it was well worth travelling to Gran Canaria to see her  ;D  !

My Mum, a family friend and I took a cruise to the Baltic on Caronia, just a few months before her handover to Saga in 2004. Here are some of the pics I took at the time (it was my very first year with a digital camera...) :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/sets/72157603740290159/

The atmosphere on board was so similar to QE2 that we sometimes mix up the two ships when reminiscing about our travels -- but of course she did not have the speed! I loved my cabin, which must have been quite close to the engine room... I enjoyed listening to the engine sounds, it was almost like hearing the ship speak to me  :D

If she were still Caronia, I would definitely go back, now that QE2 is not available this year...  :'(

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Caronia
« Reply #8 on: Feb 20, 2009, 10:29 PM »
Wow, is it really possible that you don't have to be over 50 to take a trip on Saga Ruby?

I had often though how she must be second best to QE2 as far as classic liners left in service go, I'd love to take a trip....

Gonna go look up Saga's Rules now!  8)
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Offline Waverley

Re: Caronia
« Reply #9 on: Feb 20, 2009, 10:38 PM »
Singlemalt,
              Had a quick look at your photos of the ex Caronia on your Flickr site.  Then I kept going and viewed your QE2 photos. Now the photo of you with the QE2 in the background in Norway is absolutely stunning.  What a picture.
Robert

Offline Kindlychap

Re: Caronia
« Reply #10 on: Feb 27, 2009, 01:31 AM »
You may accompany a over 50 on Saga providing that you are over 40. In cases of medical assistance or the like, that can be waived.

I'm not sure how all that sits with anti ageist legislation!

Matthew
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Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Caronia
« Reply #11 on: Feb 27, 2009, 12:02 PM »
Thanks Matthew for the info, those of us at 30 don't stand a chance then :-(

Maybe i'll have to join the crew....
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Online Bob C.

Re: Caronia
« Reply #12 on: Feb 27, 2009, 04:22 PM »
Great photos Singlemalt!  I visited Sagafjord, Rotterdam and a few other cruise ships one Saturday in the early/mid-70's when a large number of cruise ships were in on the same day.  The event had a name but I can't remember it. 

I always thought Caronia (III) was the perfect cruising partner for QE2 as both had that certain elegance previous posts have mentioned.  I was sad to see her struck from the Cunard (Carnivore) roles.   I love the classic lines of the camber (deck curving up at the bow and stern) built in to her plus her white superstructure, dark blue hull, thin white stripe and red boot topping is still remiscent of her Cunard days.

Offline singlemalt

Re: Caronia
« Reply #13 on: Feb 28, 2009, 02:30 PM »
Thanks Matthew for the info, those of us at 30 don't stand a chance then :-(

Maybe i'll have to join the crew....

Looks like we're in the same boat Andy - or rather we won't be for a good few years yet  :'(

Thanks for the comments about the pictures everyone.
Isabelle - i really enjoyed wandering through your photos and seeing her as she was.
Robert - feel free to wander through my flickr QE2 stuff anytime. There is more to come when I get around to it.

She really looked like such a beautiful ship and ever so familiar lines - at least from the quayside  :'(

Although I think my camera girl geekiness got spotted by crew from the ship (Black Prince) I was on at the time.
I did have one of the blokes with gold stripes and a funny accent asking "So many pictures of Saga Ruby. And what is wrong with my beautiful old ship that you are not taking as many pictures of her instead?"
No teak decks and old school glamour mate!

(Isabelle - these have been flickred but I'm still tagging them so currently set as private. Will let you know when done so you can get a sneak preview before you head off on her for yourself!)
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Offline cunardqueen

Re: Caronia
« Reply #14 on: Mar 02, 2009, 12:12 AM »
Saga Ruby/Rose for what its worth, if you know anybody onboard as a passenger, all they need to do is write a note to the Captain and usually a visitor permit can be arranged.
On a cruise down to the Canaries we docked behind Sagafjord and it was no problem to pop onboard for a look round
 Away back in the 80s when Vistafjord was calling into the Orkneys l got in touch with the local shipping agent and asked what the chances were of visiting onboard, mentioning l had just returned from a QE2 and was booked on her new Maiden Voyage, there was surprise that anybody would want to visit, but they would ask anyway, back came word send him down to the pier for 10am.

So down l trotted on the day, and there was a tender waiting, said who l was and off we went, met at the gangway by Perr the Restaurant Manager, never did forget his name, and off l was taken on a indepth tour including  into the kitchens as well and up to the bridge, l thought that would be the end of it then we went into the restaurant and presented with a menu l was being fed as well...babbled away about my QE2, and his family the job etc etc out came the wine after what seemed like 5 mins we had gone through soup, mains pudding and coffee and then time to leave again by tender and before leaving he presented me with a Vistafjord T shirt and fish plate and other odds and ends in a beautiful Cunard/NAC plastic bag and off l went happy as could be!!!

Fast forward 20 years and lm on the Hotel Managers Table and the host is The Purser, during the evening the above tale was recounted and it turns out He used to work with Perr many moons ago, and sadly he was very ill with a terminal illness and wasnt expected to last much longer.
 Managed to visit a few other ships when they called, the shipping agent thought l was nuts for wanting to visit a boat!!, But rest assured with varying degrees of visits and ship tours, Nobody looks after a visitor like Cunard ;D
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Caronia
« Reply #15 on: Mar 02, 2009, 12:26 AM »
Just a thought...

If we put together a QE2Story.com cruise on Saga Ruby, I dare say we could find in our midst a 50+ chaperon(e) to lead the group...

Wonder what her future prospects are... it's the last year in action for beautiful sister Saga Rose...  :(

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Re: Caronia
« Reply #16 on: Mar 03, 2009, 03:10 AM »
Well I'm surely old enough to chaperone! When I was on QE2 last Aug/Sept one of the people that I met daily for an afternoon chat/smoke/drink had done the 2008 world cruise on Saga Ruby and absolutely loved it.  Her comment was (and I say this with great trepidation since this site is dedicated to QE2) was that service and elegance of the Ruby was superior to QE2.  Her description of the journey whetted my appetite to try the Ruby and I do hope to have the chance to do so sometime within the next few years--hopefully there will be some notice before she goes out of service! 

I found this site that has interior photos:
http://www.shipparade.com/az/Saga_Ruby/Saga_Ruby_3.htm
The last 4 photos are while she was still Caronia.

She does look lovely.

Offline singlemalt

Re: Caronia
« Reply #17 on: Mar 03, 2009, 07:58 PM »
Lovely pictures - so nice to see an elegant interior to match the stunning exterior profile; definitely fit for a HRH in my opinion.

If 'within the next few years' could possibly wait a wee while..... the equivalent of 12 ship years or 42 years for our lovely doggie friends..... then I would be delighted to join you all  :D
Unless any legal eagles would be happy to put forward a case in relation to current anti-ageist legislation on my behalf?

Sadly I cannot offer any medical assistance but more than willing to pretend should a nurses' uniform be made available  ;)

Ali
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Re: Caronia
« Reply #18 on: Mar 03, 2009, 09:34 PM »
Very QE2-esque. 

Did I just invent a word?

Offline Kindlychap

Re: Caronia
« Reply #19 on: Mar 03, 2009, 10:38 PM »
Well I'm surely old enough to chaperone!

So remember who your friends are!

Seriously, this could be a fun trip some time - I'd rather been relying on my mother who, truth be told, isn't wildly happy at sea. Or on the QE2. Yes, I've confessed it. My mother is a heretic.

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Offline Scott Ebersold

Re: Caronia
« Reply #20 on: Mar 03, 2009, 10:52 PM »
I travelled on her as both the Vistafjord and Caronia.  And ... loved her! 

One night on my birthday the first mate I actually let me turned her 45 degrees to Port in the Agean sea!!!  No joke.   There was a cadet close on hand and I was given explicit instructions, but they turned off the electric controls and handed the wheel over.  It was unbelievable.

I have some pics but they were pre-digital camera.  I'll share them when I get them digitized.
 
Scott

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Caronia
« Reply #21 on: Mar 11, 2009, 05:46 PM »
Awesome Scott, thats a real priveledge! Must have been unreal  :o

One day maybe my turn will come :)

Looking forward to seeign the pics!

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Offline Andrew W

Re: Caronia
« Reply #22 on: Mar 12, 2009, 03:45 AM »
Awesome Scott, thats a real priveledge! Must have been unreal  :o

One day maybe my turn will come :)

Looking forward to seeign the pics!



Ho ho ho - "my turn will come" - very good.

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Caronia
« Reply #23 on: Mar 12, 2009, 04:07 AM »
 ;)
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Re: Caronia
« Reply #24 on: Apr 15, 2009, 12:40 AM »
Ali-I just looked at your great pics and had to blink twice as at first some of the views looked so similar to QE2. I know where I'm going when I grow up!

Offline Andrew Collier

Re: Caronia
« Reply #25 on: Apr 16, 2009, 11:53 AM »
http://jecobinplans.com/estore/index.php?cPath=23_34

If anyone is interested, detail drawings of Saga Rose/Saga Fjord and Saga Ruby/Vista Fjord (as well as Cunard Countess and Cunard Princess) are available from Jecobin on the above link.

Cheers  8)
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Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Caronia (ex-Vistafjord, current Saga Ruby)
« Reply #26 on: Feb 20, 2011, 09:23 PM »
Most of us probably are aware of the bits and pieces of other great liners Stephen Payne drew inspiration from such as the breakwater from the Normandie.  I spent 10 days onboard and just discovered this little nod to the past, which I have written up on my blog.  I can't believe this went unknoticed until I was reviewing my photos.

http://qe2-prideoftheclyde.blogspot.com/2011/02/stephen-paynes-clever-nod-to-past.html

I know that these bumpouts were pointed out here being on the Saga Ruby (Caronia), but I could not find the post.  Either way, I completely forgot about this feature on QM2.  Here's a cropped shot of the Ruby when she was last in NYC.
(Image removed from quote.)

I loved the place! Here is a picture I took of it at the time. It was my favourite little niche to stand and watch the sea go by  :)  .



https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2199934467

Offline Cruisemarsh

Re: Caronia (ex-Vistafjord, current Saga Ruby)
« Reply #27 on: Mar 17, 2011, 12:37 AM »
Sailed on Caronia for a 9 night cruise in 2002. We flew to Rome and cruised back home was the motto....

She was a lovely little ship, fantastic design and was a proper little liner.
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Offline cunardqueen

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #28 on: Oct 31, 2011, 03:47 PM »
Quote
I'll look into it with Saga and see what they say, regarding a shippie trip! 

If your a passenger then all you need to do is pen a note to the Captain during the voyage, and usually they say yes, then you can bring a guest or two onboard.
Quite how open they are to receiving "under age :o" visitors, would be interesting.
From the moment you first glimpsed the Queen,
 you just knew you were in for a very special time ahead.!

Offline Tyne Turbine

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #29 on: Dec 17, 2011, 05:02 PM »
Not sure if this link has been posted before but to me it is well worth a viewing:

« Last Edit: Dec 17, 2011, 06:39 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

Offline pete cain

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #30 on: Dec 19, 2011, 07:46 PM »
Brilliant stuff , thanks for sharing, it's really a shame that the time is coming when we'll never see the likes of these beautiful ladies
 sailing the seas, I know Rose has gone , but Please Mr Saga, keep Ruby around for  a wee while yet, after all 'Discovery',
 a ship of similar vintage & style ; is going for a biggy refit soon, if they (all leisure holidays) see the benefit of keeping a ''classic'' at sea , then................................................

Offline pete cain

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #31 on: Dec 20, 2011, 09:15 PM »
Tyne Turbine jogged my memory , posting the youtube link above, I remembered these 2 brilliantly photographed videos, (the music , especially on departure might not be to everybodys taste, but the rest is rather nice)

   http://
      
  as ever thanks to youtube & those who post in this case  NJPhotographer62
   
  forgot to say doesn't she look so classic , drawing alongside the two clones?
« Last Edit: Dec 20, 2011, 09:17 PM by pete cain »

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #32 on: Dec 20, 2011, 09:24 PM »
Saga Ruby is having a month long refit in autumn 2012 so thats positive.

Offline Twynkle

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #33 on: Dec 20, 2011, 09:48 PM »
Saga Ruby is having a month long refit in autumn 2012 so thats positive.

Hope so...

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Offline Andy F

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #34 on: Dec 21, 2011, 12:47 AM »
Saga Ruby is having a month long refit in autumn 2012 so thats positive.
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Offline Stowaway2k

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #35 on: Mar 18, 2012, 01:01 PM »
Saga Ruby in Shanghai
March 18, 2012

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #36 on: Mar 18, 2012, 04:58 PM »
Beautiful pictures, Kyle. She's got real sparkle!

That looks like an overnight in port... did you get to meet any of the passengers or crew?

Offline Rod

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #37 on: Mar 18, 2012, 06:53 PM »
I have had the privelidge of sailing on both the Saga and Vista as a passenger. As a young person...well I was about 35 at the time. BOTH ships had the same elegance and service as the "Old" QE2. I cannot speak of the QE2 after 89. Yes the pax tended to be older, but the crew were fairly young and I casnnot say enough about them! Most were Scandanavian at that time, but it seemed to me that service was instilled in them. When they found out that I was an Officer on the QE2....could not believe it !!!!! Service improved! It had been perfect before. It was the...what I call the 5 second little things....the bed turndown, the chocolate, ice bucket was never empty, I remarked to the stewardess that I was going for a beer, she said would you like it in the cabin...I said...that would be nice...she came back with beer and it was always in my cabin. A handwritten note under the door from the night steward saying...I notice you get up early.. if you would like an early breakfast just ask. I tested him...I asked for KIPPERS, lynonaise potatos, bagels and cream cheese and salted butterand English Tea!. It was ALL there! Including the wrapper from the butter to prove it was salted! The whole ship exuded service. That was the SAGA. When I tipped the stewards/esses in person, I thanked them and said I hoped I would be back..."We look forward to it" You are in "the book"! They have a book that they note the likes dislike etc of every pax....and if they are good tippers!

Offline Stowaway2k

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #38 on: Mar 19, 2012, 12:12 AM »
Beautiful pictures, Kyle. She's got real sparkle!

That looks like an overnight in port... did you get to meet any of the passengers or crew?


Thanks.
She was in port 9am-9pm.  I had to wait till after work, about 7pm, before I could get there to photograph her.  I imagine passengers were sitting down to dinner around that time.  So, no, I didn't encounter anyone from off the ship.  Plus, this was an embarkation port for a cruise to Southampton.   Those who weren't dining were probably asleep.   ;)   I wish I had the time to capture her arrival or departure. 

Offline Stowaway2k

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #39 on: Mar 19, 2012, 12:14 AM »
Very nice story, Rod.   :)

Offline Stowaway2k

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #40 on: Mar 19, 2012, 01:03 AM »
Hi Rosie,

Thanks, but that shipyard link isn't working for me.

Unfortunately, the passenger ship terminal doesn't publish a calendar, so it's difficult to determine what ships are coming in.  I do a Google search, such as "Shanghai cruise" and then browse through the travel agent sites.  Very tedious, but it paid off this time.  Plus, I cannot determine which ships will be docked in the city at the passenger ship terminal or out of town at the container terminal.  A few years ago a bridge was built across the river, downstream from the terminal, that limits what ships can come this far upriver. 

Offline Twynkle

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #41 on: Mar 19, 2012, 10:38 AM »
Hi Kyle
Many apologies for a misleading link.
I'll have another look later, and will post on the Saga Rose site when / if I find the yard.

(Off topic!)
Then - maybe this link will help for when you are looking up ships in port - I notice Xingang (for Beijing) is mentioned. Hopefully they may list Shanghai when it's appropriate.
http://www.cruisecal.com/portal/
QM2 will be alongside in the container terminal (Shanghai) on the 23rd March - Soon!!
It was quite difficult to both 'see out / see any view' from deck 11, or indeed, to spot her over the top of all those high walls of containers last year.
And for obvious reasons (development etc), of all the calls she made, Shanghai was by far the most impressive.
http://www.worldportsource.com/ports/CHN_Port_of_Shanghai_411.php
All the best
Rosie

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #42 on: Mar 19, 2012, 01:58 PM »
Saga Ruby in Shanghai
March 18, 2012

She looks beautiful!  Thanks for posting.  I hope she continues to sail the seas for many years more, reminding people how ships used to look.
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Offline Stowaway2k

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #43 on: Mar 20, 2012, 01:20 AM »
Thanks, Rosie for all the info.
I remember when CruiseCal was a free service.  I see that Crystal is in today.

Thanks, Rob for the complement.   :)

Offline Twynkle

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #44 on: Jul 03, 2012, 09:48 AM »
A brochure amongst others from Saga that arrived yesterday announced details of Saga Ruby's 'Final World Cruise'
leaving her home port of Dover on 7th January.
What sad news this is.
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #45 on: Jul 03, 2012, 11:43 AM »
According to information gleaned from Liners' List, she will be concentrating on the shorter cruises in the future, leaving the world cruises to the newer ship(s).

I agree with you, Rosie -- probably the time has come to enjoy her again, very consciously, as we don't know how much longer she will last...

Offline Twynkle

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #46 on: Jul 27, 2012, 08:27 PM »
Off Pendennis Point, Cornwall. taken 26.7.2012
Thanks to John Durrant

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33847785@N00/7651410344/

For Bob C - do you think this illustrates a tumblehome?


Saga Ruby anchored off Pendennis Point. by john durrant, on Flickr



« Last Edit: Jul 28, 2012, 12:02 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #47 on: Oct 06, 2012, 08:20 PM »
Here is Cunard's Vistafjord in Honolulu in her mid-1990s livery :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/macprohawaii/8057428235/

QE2 was in Honolulu on the same day, so we might even be able to pinpoint exactly when it was!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/macprohawaii/8057428682/

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #48 on: Oct 06, 2012, 08:52 PM »
As QE2 has the speed stripe on in those pictures we can already narrow the window down a bit can't we?

Now, Honolulu... that would imply a World cruise so we can narrow the window down even more can't we?
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Offline Twynkle

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #49 on: Oct 10, 2012, 07:25 PM »
It was an unexpected extra treat yesterday morning - looked through the porthole to see the lovely stern of Saga Ruby as she was steaming past QM2 on her way to Mayflower Terminal.
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #50 on: Oct 11, 2012, 04:58 PM »
The Vistafjord and QE2 meeting was in either 1997, 1998 or 1999 given the paint scheme of both vessels. Vistafjord wore this scheme from 1995 to 1999 and QE2 does not have the lion above the Cunard name so that narrows it further. QE2 was in Honolulu on the following dates:

23 January 1997
25 January 1998
24 January 1999

Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #51 on: Oct 11, 2012, 06:52 PM »
Thank you so much, Michael, for those dates! They were a beautiful pair...

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #52 on: Oct 11, 2012, 07:09 PM »
Thank you so much, Michael, for those dates! They were a beautiful pair...

Isabelle - they were known by some of the Deck Officers as Pig and Piglet, I believe!
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #53 on: Oct 12, 2012, 12:00 AM »
The Vistafjord and QE2 meeting was in either 1997, 1998 or 1999 given the paint scheme of both vessels. Vistafjord wore this scheme from 1995 to 1999 and QE2 does not have the lion above the Cunard name so that narrows it further. QE2 was in Honolulu on the following dates:

23 January 1997
25 January 1998
24 January 1999

That's good; is there any chance that Vistafjord's schedule for those three dates is easily located?
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #54 on: Oct 12, 2012, 08:56 AM »
The date of the meeting was Sunday 24 January 1999.

While I have only kept QE2 brochures I remembered that in 1997, 1998 and 1999 Cunard produced 'The Art of Cruising' brochures which were very deluxe (especially the American ones) so a quick look revealed that Vistafjord was in Honolulu on that date - the same as QE2.

When they would meet again in December 1999 Vistafjord would be known as Caronia and both ships would form the 'new' Cunard and had just undergone major refitting and would be sporting the same colour scheme...
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Offline Isabelle Prondzynski

Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #55 on: Oct 12, 2012, 12:50 PM »
Thank you so much, Michael!

Once again, your astounding memory and collection have made it possible to find one specific day in the long service life of QE2. I am full of admiration and very grateful.

Wonderful to have the picture of their later meeting too...

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« Reply #56 on: Oct 12, 2012, 01:33 PM »
My Flickr friend Mel (macprohawaii) has meanwhile confirmed this date with his own sources. He writes below the photo :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/macprohawaii/8057428682/

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I found the date. It is January 24, 1999.

There were 4 cruise ships in Honolulu Harbor that day - QE 2, Vistafjord, Maxim Gorky and Crystal Symphony. Found that out in this article of our local newspaper:

Cruise ships preparing to strike up the band

Link: archives.starbulletin.com/1999/01/22/business /story3.html

At the bottom of the article which is about "Boat Days" that have since been discontinued (thanks to 9-11 I presume).... is this paragraph:

"On Sunday, the festivities are scheduled to start at 7:30 a.m. at Pier 2-B, when the band will welcome in the Queen Elizabeth 2 liner, which can carry 1,850 passengers. The band moves to Pier 9 at 8 a.m. to greet the Vistafjord; and at 2 p.m. plays music at Piers 10-11 for passengers on the Maxim Gorky ship. At 6 p.m., the band will be at Piers 19-20 to say aloha to the Crystal Symphony as the ship leaves Honolulu."

Which probably revises the camera that i used which would put me up at the Minolta X700 which I bought new only weeks before.

I'll do a little more verification of this because the paper used to publish the cruise ship schedule in the paper edition only, which is available in our public library on microfilm.

MEL

I love the local news angle -- and didn't they have a beautiful ship meeting in Honolulu that day?

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« Reply #57 on: Oct 12, 2012, 10:36 PM »
Fantastic result; another piece of QE2 history confirmed by forum detective work. :)
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #58 on: Jan 17, 2013, 02:50 PM »
 she looks magnificent here catching the sunlight, I downloaded it to my computer & the band logo has gone so it's full screen , beautiful.

       
             
« Last Edit: Jan 17, 2013, 04:50 PM by Isabelle Prondzynski »

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #59 on: Jan 17, 2013, 10:58 PM »
Another occasion when both QE2 & Caronia/Vistafjord were in close company was on the 5th. June, 1994 when both ships were present at the D Day Fiftieth Anniversary Review by the Queen at Spithead.

Attached are two low res shots taken on the day, one also shows the USS George Washington & USS Guam. The other shows the vessels as they departed in a mini convoy to France, out of sight is the third vessel in this elite group, the Canberra.
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #60 on: Jan 23, 2013, 09:28 PM »
On the Wikipedia page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_Ruby - it refers to her as being RMS Caronia - this isn't true is it?
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« Reply #61 on: Jan 23, 2013, 09:43 PM »
On the Wikipedia page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_Ruby - it refers to her as being RMS Caronia - this isn't true is it?

I can't see how, as she sailed in the fleet as a cruise ship only not as a liner. Wikipedia is only as good as its contributors so mistakes do frequently pop up. I remember discussions occurring in the Pursers Office regarding QE2 carrying the mail in certain circumstances though - can't prove that though, totally hearsay, but would seem possible with British Airways strikes we may have taken the Mails across the Atlantic.

What I do remember is that Cunard never used the prefixes RMS, SS, MS or MV on any literature, letters or memorandum that I ever saw when referring to the existing vessels of the fleet. It seems to be the enthusiasts who insist on using them.
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« Reply #62 on: Jan 23, 2013, 09:46 PM »
Thanks and yes I agree about Wikipedia, it can be very frustrating! We've got an entire topic about QE2 not being an RMS... which she never was!  Sorry am on my phone or I'd post a link to it!
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« Reply #63 on: Jan 23, 2013, 09:50 PM »
Thanks and yes I agree about Wikipedia, it can be very frustrating! We've got an entire topic about QE2 not being an RMS... which she never was!  Sorry am on my phone or I'd post a link to it!

Oh I know QE2 was never a RMS (I've read that topic thanks Rob), was just suggesting that she MAY have carried the mail in exceptional circumstances so possibly would have been the only vessel at the time to have been entitled to carry that moniker.
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #64 on: Jan 23, 2013, 10:00 PM »
Ah ok. Yes would be nice to find out for sure! Maybe they did make her an rms for the same 'retro' reasons as they made QM2 one...
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #65 on: Jan 23, 2013, 10:24 PM »
Vistafjord / Caronia was never an RMS.

Offline Graham Taylor

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« Reply #66 on: Jan 23, 2013, 10:28 PM »
Ah ok. Yes would be nice to find out for sure! Maybe they did make her an rms for the same 'retro' reasons as they made QM2 one...

As mentioned earlier we had these discussions in the office with the Purser and I think John Duffy may have been there. The answer was "QE2 was SS before the re-engining and MV (MS) after, we don't use them". If there was a change in attitude then it's fairly recent.

Anyway getting back to Saga Ruby.....   :)
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #67 on: Feb 13, 2013, 04:56 PM »
some superb images here , double click on the thumbnail for a super hi def (in most cases) piccy, an awful lot to look through but, how can one possibly get bored looking at such a classic, soon to be lost profile?

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Re: Saga Ruby and Saga Rose
« Reply #68 on: Feb 14, 2013, 01:42 PM »
Saga & Vista so similar but different

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Re: Saga Ruby and Saga Rose
« Reply #69 on: Feb 14, 2013, 08:18 PM »
Saga & Vista so similar but different

Beautiful, Graham! I am glad this film was made, while they were together in active service.

Such fine ships... I loved Caronia and perhaps should go back now and see her one final time as Saga Ruby...

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« Reply #70 on: Aug 08, 2017, 03:54 AM »
Beautiful, Graham! I am glad this film was made, while they were together in active service.

Such fine ships... I loved Caronia and perhaps should go back now and see her one final time as Saga Ruby...

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #73 on: Aug 08, 2017, 06:36 PM »
The date of the meeting was Sunday 24 January 1999.

While I have only kept QE2 brochures I remembered that in 1997, 1998 and 1999 Cunard produced 'The Art of Cruising' brochures which were very deluxe (especially the American ones) so a quick look revealed that Vistafjord was in Honolulu on that date - the same as QE2.

When they would meet again in December 1999 Vistafjord would be known as Caronia and both ships would form the 'new' Cunard and had just undergone major refitting and would be sporting the same colour scheme...

This is a charming photo of QE2 and her little "shipling" !   :)

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117.0;attach=14667;image
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #74 on: Aug 09, 2017, 10:08 AM »
Mini Me!

She really did look good in the Cunard livery though.

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #75 on: Oct 21, 2017, 09:33 AM »
We received an email from Paul Tanner with a link to a website with pictures of the interior of Saga Ruby.

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Sad news about Alang.

You might be interested in this link to a Gujarati Web site which indicates that the "luxury items" contained within the chip are being sold and contains 17 internal photos of the Saga Ruby. The text will translate to English - I love the bit that says "Ship located to break into Alang is the final vessel made by the British Ruler. The luxurious ship was given facilities to hit a stunning luxury hotel."
Everyone's LAST chance to see her interior!!!
I am still looking for further info about the sale of items!

https://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/news/GUJ-GNG-saga-ruby-ship-came-to-alang-for-scrapped-see-inside-view-of-oasia-gujarati-news-5578065-PHO.html
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #76 on: Oct 23, 2017, 06:22 PM »
We received an email from Paul Tanner with a link to a website with pictures of the interior of Saga Ruby.


If I understand it correct, these pictures have been taken just before scrapping commenced? If so, what a terrible waste, she looks superb in those photos, just find a place mooring place, and your open for business.

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #77 on: Oct 24, 2017, 07:15 AM »

If I understand it correct, these pictures have been taken just before scrapping commenced? If so, what a terrible waste, she looks superb in those photos, just find a place mooring place, and your open for business.

The photos look like they were taken during her time with Saga. She would not have been in such good condition with the failed static hotel conversion and certainly not by the time she was beached. One can see she's docked somewhere, but not sure where.
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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #78 on: Oct 24, 2017, 08:49 AM »
Off Pendennis Point, Cornwall. taken 26.7.2012
Thanks to John Durrant

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33847785@N00/7651410344/

For Bob C - do you think this illustrates a tumblehome?


Saga Ruby anchored off Pendennis Point. by john durrant, on Flickr

And theres sheer all the way up to the boat deck on this one!! Woohoo!!  ;)

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #79 on: Oct 24, 2017, 09:21 AM »
Hi Gav,
'Every which way' it was possible to see the sheer from and on board both ships - and from standing at the stern, looking towards the bow - 'the only way was up'!  One of the best things (apart from QE2, of course!) was to spend hours, and hours on Saga Ruby. We joined the Maritime Memories 'group' to various places that didn't matter - mid -low Atlantic,  and had the greatest time had in years - engineers, navigators, seafarers all, Breakfast, Lunch outside every day - Crew Choir that sang in and out of tune, and, yes, we absolutely did run down hill from bow to her stern!
I have lots of pics - and although no time to post at the minute, will try to soon.
All the best to you both
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QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for what seemed like ages...Please don't leave her looking more like a Hotel-with-a-Hull than the greatest Liner afloat - Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #80 on: Oct 24, 2017, 07:45 PM »
Rosie will recognise this shot showing the pronounced rise on the corridor on board Ruby, it was quite a steep climb the further forward you got

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« Reply #81 on: Oct 24, 2017, 07:48 PM »
Shame there wasn't an entry for Ropes for Ruby here is one, I wish I had been camera happy when with QE2 :'(

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« Reply #82 on: Oct 24, 2017, 08:28 PM »
The photos look like they were taken during her time with Saga. She would not have been in such good condition with the failed static hotel conversion and certainly not by the time she was beached. One can see she's docked somewhere, but not sure where.


Wasn't she ready to use either as a static ore operating vessel when lister for sale the last time? I can remember reading that on the listing.

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« Reply #83 on: Oct 24, 2017, 08:47 PM »
Yes, Bob, there had been a lot of work in renovations on Ruby, and that is why it seemed that she was sent off to the breakers so quickly.
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« Reply #84 on: Oct 24, 2017, 10:22 PM »

Wasn't she ready to use either as a static ore operating vessel when lister for sale the last time? I can remember reading that on the listing.

As far as I know she wasn't completed as the static hotel her new owners planned her to be because they went bankrupt. She was never going to be anything other than static after her major engine troubles with Saga, unless her owners had a bottomless pit of money for her increasingly frequent engine problems - which it turns out they didn't as they went bankrupt trying to get her to operating in a static role.
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« Reply #85 on: Oct 25, 2017, 01:36 PM »
As far as I know she wasn't completed as the static hotel her new owners planned her to be because they went bankrupt. She was never going to be anything other than static after her major engine troubles with Saga, unless her owners had a bottomless pit of money for her increasingly frequent engine problems - which it turns out they didn't as they went bankrupt trying to get her to operating in a static role.

Hi Thomas -

She was not completed as a static hotel, but a great deal of money was spent and a great deal of refurnishing was done in a modern/Asian style before it was decided the owners could not make a go of it.

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Re: Saga Ruby (ex-Caronia and ex-Vistafjord)
« Reply #86 on: Oct 25, 2017, 06:00 PM »
As far as I know she wasn't completed as the static hotel her new owners planned her to be because they went bankrupt. She was never going to be anything other than static after her major engine troubles with Saga, unless her owners had a bottomless pit of money for her increasingly frequent engine problems - which it turns out they didn't as they went bankrupt trying to get her to operating in a static role.


I have never heard of the engine problems that she encountered during here final years, what where those problems?

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« Reply #87 on: Oct 25, 2017, 06:11 PM »
Hi Bob -

Here is just one link to a mention of Ruby's problems.

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,5694.msg59214.html#msg59214

There are more if you search on The Forum for "Saga Ruby".  Then skim through the entries in the various topics.

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« Reply #88 on: Oct 25, 2017, 06:42 PM »

I have never heard of the engine problems that she encountered during here final years, what where those problems?

Hi Bob
She did have considerably serious engine problems.
This was to the extent that her final world cruise was cancelled - we were given one week's notice of the cancellation.
Not good either for the company, or for those of us who were booked on that sailing.
We were more fortunate than many others, we sailed to Norway for her final call there -
and experienced time on board that was very special.
It also included a serious outbreak of norovirus!
Rosie
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