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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #1 on: Aug 04, 2023, 11:12 PM »
I'm sorry  that should never happen apart from an act of God.  well it is a seaport of Rome!
Hope no one else was injured!


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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #2 on: Aug 05, 2023, 10:01 AM »
I'm sorry  that should never happen apart from an act of God.  well it is a seaport of Rome!
Hope no one else was injured


Thank goodness no one was on the gangways - there could have been injuries or deaths as a lot of passengers are elderly this could have been fatal. 

Will there be an enquiry as to why the line holding the ship gave way.  Is it likely there was negligence on the part of the team that secured the line. 

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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #3 on: Aug 05, 2023, 04:16 PM »
I would say that there would have to be negligence. Unless lines were let go for sailing. If the winds were that bad why would yo lket the lines go?

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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #4 on: Aug 06, 2023, 02:19 AM »
Kind of like when QE2 broke loose during a dust storm in Dubai.
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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #5 on: Aug 07, 2023, 08:12 AM »
I would say that there would have to be negligence. Unless lines were let go for sailing. If the winds were that bad why would yo lket the lines go?
A dangerous accusation to make without ANY inside knowledge! The tweet says SNAPPED!

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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #6 on: Aug 07, 2023, 11:13 AM »
A dangerous accusation to make without ANY inside knowledge! The tweet says SNAPPED!

But is that not why they have lots of lines (too many) ?

I'd be very concerned if the situation was that a random line could snap at any minute, so your gangway may drop into the harbour!
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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #7 on: Aug 07, 2023, 11:14 AM »
Kind of like when QE2 broke loose during a dust storm in Dubai.

I remember the captain talked to me about that.  He was annoyed, because they'd been moved over to the other side, where the prevailing wind pushed the ship away from the quayside, rather than onto it as had been the case for the 2 years or so after arrival.
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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #8 on: Aug 07, 2023, 11:24 AM »
But is that not why they have lots of lines (too many) ?

I'd be very concerned if the situation was that a random line could snap at any minute, so your gangway may drop into the harbour!

Me too, especially seeing the pictures of the gangway dangling by the side of the ship.  If passengers had been on a gangway fatalities would have occurred.

I did not know there had been an incident in 2003
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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #9 on: Aug 07, 2023, 12:44 PM »
Me too, especially seeing the pictures of the gangway dangling by the side of the ship.  If passengers had been on a gangway fatalities would have occurred.

I did not know there had been an incident in 2003
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2003/nov/16/travelnews.france.internationalnews

The 2003 incident was completely differrent in that, it occured while QM2 was still in dry dock and under the ship builders control. It happened when shipyard Family members were being allowed onboard for a look around and the gangway became overloaded for it's certification.
Please give the ship's crew and especially the Captain & Gangway staff some credit for thinking about their passengers. As soon as there was the slightest sign of the ship, even remotely, moving away from the dockside the gangway would have been closed to passengers and the Tender Lounges, disembarkation points, closed.

A ship snapping it's lines is not as rare an  incident as you might think, when i was with Sun Princess in Alaska a line snapped during high winds and almost took the leg off of one of the shoreside mooring gang, fortunately he managed to step back sufficiently to only incur deep cuts & severe bruising, an inch further forward and it would have taken his leg clean off. Those mooring lines are under immense tension.

I think before anybody starts pointing the finger of blame anywhere, 'we' need to wait for the MAIB report to be published.

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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #10 on: Aug 07, 2023, 01:06 PM »
Fair enough

I must admit I always spend as little time on the gangway as possible, they do make me nervous.  The worst was the dry dock one on QV in January... The QM2 shipyard incident was very much in my mind.
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Re: Queen Mary 2 lines snapped in Civitaveccia
« Reply #12 on: Aug 11, 2023, 11:11 PM »
I must admit I always spend as little time on the gangway as possible, they do make me nervous.  The worst was the dry dock one on QV in January... The QM2 shipyard incident was very much in my mind.

I recall an incident about ten years ago when one of the gangways for the preserved warship HMS Belfast in London collapsed.
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