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Title: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jan 30, 2020, 12:41 PM
As I type this, 6000 people are locked down on board Costa Smeralda in Italy, due to their being sick passengers on board who had visited Wuhan.  They only boarded on the 25th.

Thinking it through, they really need to quarantine the whole ship for 2 weeks.  However if any passenger subsequently does show symptoms, that 2-week incubation starts again - another 2 weeks - and so on, so they'd better hope that confining those poor passengers to quarters works...  Also the ship had already visited a number of ports during the cruise...

I have fairly rapidly come to the conclusion that cruising isn't really possible at the current time, and I'm not the only one - Carnival shares are down 7% already.   
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Jan 30, 2020, 04:24 PM
Scary situation.  Most likely, other ships will also be affected. 
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Post by: cunardqueen on Jan 30, 2020, 09:50 PM
I remember on one med cruise on QE2 there were a few passengers suffering from l guess the noro virus . One passenger was opposite me on 3 deck , his cabin had been cleaned and he had the view he had paid a lot of money for the cruise and wasnt going to be confined to his cabin for several days .
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 03, 2020, 07:57 AM
The suspected passengers had the flu, and everyone has now disembarked.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/6000-passengers-stuck-on-cruise-ship-in-italy-over-coronavirus-fears

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/01/30/coronavirus-costa-cruise-ship-passengers-held-onboard-amid-tests/4618718002/

They are right to follow the proper protocols...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 04, 2020, 09:06 PM
Another cruise ship affected : Diamond Princess this time, quarantined in Yokohama.

https://japantoday.com/category/national/Japan-begins-screening-3-700-cruise-ship-passengers-and-crew-in-Yokohama?

Yes indeed, this is not an easy time for cruise ships... not flights, I would imagine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 05, 2020, 07:01 AM
Another cruise ship affected : Diamond Princess this time, quarantined in Yokohama.

Not looking good. They're all confined to their cabins...  Cruise ships are a unique problem... Lots of people, altogether, travelling from place to place...  I'd be wondering if the air conditioning can spread it from cabin to cabin...

Coronavirus: cruise ship carrying 3,700 quarantined in Japan after 10 test positive

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/05/coronavirus-cruise-ship-carrying-3700-quarantined-in-japan-after-10-test-positive

https://twitter.com/PrincessCruises/status/1224847799885402112
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Andy Holloway on Feb 05, 2020, 08:53 AM
The suspected passengers had the flu, and everyone has now disembarked.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/6000-passengers-stuck-on-cruise-ship-in-italy-over-coronavirus-fears

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/01/30/coronavirus-costa-cruise-ship-passengers-held-onboard-amid-tests/4618718002/

They are right to follow the proper protocols...

Oh to have been nearby on the jetty  to witness the Mayor and Harbour Master having their heated argument, arms everywhere!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 05, 2020, 11:08 AM
"World Dream" now affected too, docked in Hong Kong.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/asia/coronavirus-cruise-quarantines-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 05, 2020, 01:13 PM
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I'd be wondering if the air conditioning can spread it from cabin to cabin...
Good point there Rob, I remember from my time working on ships the incredible speed at which Colds and Tummy bugs would circulate. When starting a new contract it always seemed that I would get sick in the first week or two. Of course then we did not have the profusion of sanitary hand cleaning stations that I see everywhere... :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 05, 2020, 02:01 PM
QM2 to skip Hong Kong

https://thepointsguy.com/news/coronavirus-asia-cruises/
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 06, 2020, 06:46 PM
10 more cases on the Diamond Princess, quarantined off the Japanese coast. And now the Westerdam, approaching Japan, seems to have possible cases on board too...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/06/national/science-health/japan-10-more-coronavirus-cases-quarantined-cruise-ship/
Title: Re: Coronavirus : 6000 locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 06, 2020, 07:03 PM
QM2 to skip Hong Kong

https://thepointsguy.com/news/coronavirus-asia-cruises/

Speaking to passengers who'd disembarked QM2 in Dubai on that section of her current world cruise, then come to stay on QE2 last week. They said QM2 was heading to Singapore instead unless things increase in severity further.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 06, 2020, 09:42 PM
https://twitter.com/poetVecheslaff/status/1225517502156988416

The full article is here :

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/02/06/coronavirus-cruise-ship-denied-by-japan-philippines-holland-america/4676988002/
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 07, 2020, 07:33 AM
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200207_21/?fbclid=IwAR3pIKzPxS0M-LoQUYXDQx58Mzc7avL6vCo8sQpQ3jg2G51uECOa_uAt80s

41 more affected passengers taken off Diamond Princess. Are they beginning to infect each other?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 07, 2020, 01:12 PM
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41 more affected passengers taken off Diamond Princess. Are they beginning to infect each other?
Exactly what I've been thinking Isabelle, it's all very well confining pax to a ship but to stop a spread of infection they should be confined to cabins! Regarding my earlier comment, how far can the virus travel airborne via the AC?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 07, 2020, 03:22 PM
Quick update, just saw on the news a skype interview with 2 American passengers on the Princess ship.
Apparently they are confined to cabins. One concern expressed was that when the Japanese medical team tested their temperatures they were not using a fresh sterile tip for the thermometer, just wiping it with a cloth. Also said that the food and water situation was a little short....although plenty of alchohol is available...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 07, 2020, 06:23 PM
Here is some more info from a passenger onboard the Diamond Princess via the BBC....

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We are to monitor our temperatures on a regular basis, and if it's increased above normal we are to contact the medical services onboard of the ship."
■   "Passengers in the small inside cabins have no window, there is no daylight, and no fresh air... but the captain has announced those passengers will be allowed access to open deck for exercise and fresh air."
■   "If we are permitted out on open deck, we have to wear a mask when we're outside. We have to keep one metre apart from everyone else and are not allowed to congregate in groups."
■   "All of the luxury of having a steward come to make the bed and put a chocolate on the pillow - those days are gone. We have to take care of the cleanliness and hygiene of our own room."
■   "We're going through all the clothes we put into our dirty wash bag and we're just re-wearing them now. Our underwear we're washing by hand - we don't have anything other than hand soap."
■   "The first day in isolation, the supply of food wasn't good. Now it's superb.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Bruce Nicholls on Feb 08, 2020, 01:32 PM
Every time they get a new case the 14 day quarantine starts again. They could be there fore quite some time on this basis.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: QE2forever on Feb 09, 2020, 09:23 AM
According to my sources on board, QM2 will now bypass Singapore, Vietnam, and Bali, and proceed directly on to Fremantle/Perth, Australia. The ship will anchor at Port Kelang/Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to refuel and take on supplies, but no passengers or crew may go ashore and re-board.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 09, 2020, 11:20 AM
According to my sources on board, QM2 will now bypass Singapore, Vietnam, and Bali, and proceed directly on to Fremantle/Perth, Australia. The ship will anchor at Port Kelang/Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to refuel and take on supplies, but no passengers or crew may go ashore and re-board.

Cunard has posted an advisory note stating that passengers due to board the QM2 in Singapore on 12/13 February 18/19 February will now have the option to board at Fremantle. What a nightmare for cruise companies and a lot of uncertainty for passengers.  The flight teams have had a difficult couple of weeks, having made changes to people's flight arrangements they are having to make further changes.  Awaiting details of itinerary changes.

Cunard Travel Health Advisories - 9 February 2020 (https://www.cunard.com/en-gb/contact-us/travel-health-advisories?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Medical%20information&utm_campaign=customer+comms&utm_term=&utm_content=www.cunard.com)

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 10, 2020, 05:47 AM
It's not great news on the diamond Princess.... Surely it must still be spreading on board?

https://twitter.com/japantimes/status/1226738956718542848
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 10, 2020, 07:31 AM
Coronavirus crisis: Cunard cruise ship Queen Mary 2 to divert to Fremantle over coronavirus concerns

https://thewest.com.au/news/health/coronavirus-crisis-cunard-cruise-ship-queen-mary-2-to-divert-to-fremantle-over-coronavirus-concerns-ng-b881457961z.amp?utm_campaign=share-icons&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&tid=1581314627650&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 10, 2020, 01:33 PM
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It's not great news on the diamond Princess.... Surely it must still be spreading on board

Personally think it may be spreading via the AC as reports have said that the virus can be transmitted via the air.
Calling out to former ships engineers here for some more info on how the AC system functions onboard, specifically how the return air is dealt with, from ships I worked on the AC return went through a vent in the cabin door to the alleyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 10, 2020, 10:18 PM
Boredom and isolation, but no great suffering for those on board :

https://japantoday.com/category/national/Oscars-movies-help-pass-the-time-on-cruise-ship-quarantined-in-Yokohama?

This could have happened in a far worse place. The passengers are getting good care and good food, and those who are found to be infected, are getting excellent hospital treatment.

Today, all the systems and structures inside the ship are being inspected by external experts, presumably with a view to checking inter alia whether the air-conditioning could be spreading the virus within the ship.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Feb 11, 2020, 03:53 PM
Fortunately, Oasis of the Seas, which docked in Bayonne NJ on Saturday was scheduled to sail yesterday, as the four possible coronavirus sufferers' tests came back as regular flu. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 11, 2020, 08:46 PM
Westerdam has still not found a place to land... although Thailand is willing to supply it with food and other stocks...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 11, 2020, 09:30 PM
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun about Queen Mary 2...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10942907/crissy-rock-stuck-ship-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Feb 11, 2020, 10:05 PM
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun...

It's The Sun... do we really expect anything different?


On a more serious note, the latest details given on the BBC News tonight suggest the new virus may not be anywhere near as bad as the media have been making out; the mortality rate is being quoted as 1% and most people who have recovered from it are placing it between ordinary flu and a strong cold in terms of what it feels like.

To put that into context, the 1918 flu pandemic had a mortality rate of around 5%.

That doesn't mean it's not important to try to contain it; of course it is important.  What it does mean is that  we should be careful of the doom-mongers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 11, 2020, 10:18 PM
Fairly hysterical report here from the tabloid Sun about Queen Mary 2...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10942907/crissy-rock-stuck-ship-coronavirus/

Hysterical is the key word!  This looks like someone who wants to be in the news!

I am booked on QM2 around Australia and Cunard has given excellent advice in relation to passenger health.  The changes to the itinerary are so that the ship is not calling at Asian Ports, which would have implications for the ship and the passengers

The Coronavirus situation has impacted on cruises, in the area, no doubt about that. but I have been impressed on  Cunard 's response to protect their passengers. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 12, 2020, 01:33 PM
God knows how they'll do it, but I think they need to shutdown the cruising industry until this thing is definitely under control.  I actually thought that when I started this topic.

Many Events are and will be cancelled due to their nature (large numbers of people traveling, then in close contact with each other).  The incubation period for this is so long it poses a terrible problem.

There's never been an incident like this, certainly not in the era of millions of people traveling on giant cruise ships together every day.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 14, 2020, 09:06 PM
Glad that Westerdam has meanwhile been allowed to land in Cambodia, with none of her passengers affected by the coronavirus. She was given a great welcome there by the Prime Minister!

The coronavirus of Diamond Princess has very sadly spread beyond the ship. Two taxi drivers who had driven some passengers before the ship was quarantined, have been infected and one has died. Some of the medical staff who have been testing the passengers on board the ship have also been infected. Just to think that apparently one ill passenger infected so many on board, who in turn infected others...

Some frail passengers who are not ill have meanwhile been allowed to leave the ship for a government facility on land, and the first batch of quarantined passengers should be able to disembark on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 14, 2020, 09:30 PM
Feel really sorry for the Diamond Princess crew, imagine being confined to a crew cabln! :)
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Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 15, 2020, 07:02 AM
Getting the crew and passengers off the ship is another nightmare, also for the Japanese authorities :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/14/national/japan-clear-coronavirus-cruise-ship/

And it's not the usual St Valentine's Day for them either, as they try to make the best of it :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/14/national/valentines-diamond-princess-cruise-japan/
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 17, 2020, 02:10 PM
It seems pretty clear now, that quarantining on a cruise ship doesn't work, for whatever reason.  In fact in this case it appears to have simply been a waste of time, as passengers now have to undergo quarantine again ashore. 
The long incubation time, now thought to be more than 14 days, makes matters very difficult - an entire cruise could take place, with an infections person amongst the thousands of passengers, and also when you add on that one of the most vulnerable groups is the elderly, its just not good all round.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 17, 2020, 02:39 PM
I am actually beginning to wonder about long-haul (and even short-haul) flights...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 17, 2020, 04:23 PM
My wife used to work for a marine company right next to the dock in Port Everglades. When they had the bad Norovirus outbreak on one of the HAL ships she watched them throwing mattresses and linens in dumpsters for several days, wonder if this will happen on the Diamond Princess??
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Feb 17, 2020, 09:25 PM
I am actually beginning to wonder about long-haul (and even short-haul) flights...

On most modern airliners, the air conditioning works in distinct "zones" rather than circulating the entire cabin precisely for the reason of preventing infectious contaminants from spreading freely.  However there will of course inevitably be some circulation along the length of the aircraft as people walk around, so I'm not convinced of how effecting the zoning would be in practice.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 18, 2020, 11:46 AM
From speaking to colleagues at work, a few of them were thinking of taking cruises this year, but have cancelled plans.  I would imagine this will be widespread, until its clearer what is going on.

So for the brave (and healthy) I'm sure there will be some bargains on offer soon...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 18, 2020, 12:04 PM
Queen Mary 2 cruise ship delivers tourism boost to WA after coronavirus diversion to Fremantle (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-18/queen-mary-2-cruise-ship-docks-in-fremantle-coronavirus-detour/11976250)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 18, 2020, 02:49 PM
Worth watching before it's taken down...

Brave man.


Japanese infection control specialist gets access to Diamond Princess, says infection prevention protocols not being followed, chaotic situation. Bureaucrats, rather than infection prevention professionals, were running everything  "violating all infection control principles"

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 21, 2020, 04:40 PM
The video has indeed been removed (by the user), but not without having had consequences in tightening the protocol applying to the Self Defence Forces working on the Diamond Princess.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/21/national/sdf-protection-diamond-princess-princess-video/
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 26, 2020, 08:55 AM
Carnival share price taking an absolute hammering.

First is Carnival UK, second is Carnival Corporation.  Both are lower than they've been for 5 years+
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 01, 2020, 12:16 PM
This cartoon was in Private Eye this week... (attached).

The situation is obviously not improving.

Princess Cruises released this :-

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 03, 2020, 01:41 AM
Some new developments...

Coronavirus: cruise ship passengers at Réunion Island threatened by violent protests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/03/sun-princess-passengers-threatened-by-protesters-on-reunion-island-as-coronavirus-fears-rise
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Mar 03, 2020, 09:56 AM
Coronavirus: cruise ship passengers at Réunion Island threatened by violent protests

There is a lot of fear throughout sub-Saharan Africa (where so far there has been only one single case, in Nigeria) that coronavirus might arrive and then be hard to keep under control.

Screening of passengers (whether arriving by ship or by plane) is regarded as essential, and where this is not done, anger and fear result. It is tough on a small country like Réunion, which would normally welcome the tourist revenue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Alex Tarry on Mar 03, 2020, 12:20 PM
I think the implications of this for the cruise industry could be profound...

Princess Cruises have 18 ships and for this Thursday they have released an offer, enabling booking any of them for £1 deposit, and a free benefits package to boot.  Surely desperate stuff...

Their brand and the Diamond Princess ship are indelibly linked to this outbreak and could be permanently affected.

Currently the world is getting smaller for the cruise industry as a whole and may continue to do so, so less itineraries, lower demand and now we are seeing this kind of reaction from ports...worrisome stuff for the industry and all who are supported by it...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Andy Holloway on Mar 03, 2020, 04:39 PM
During one of the  many 'norovirus' alerts during my time onboard QE2 we were in Trieste for the day.
As usual the hand sanatisers were placed at the bottom of the gangway and one of the Security Staff was there monitoring to ensure everyone used the facility. We had been trying hard to get the  company to issue lanyards to all Passengers and crew to attache their cards to, but to no avail. However we had managed to get a large number that we issued to crew, plus quite a few also acquired one of their own.
It was approaching 'all aboard' time and i was on the jetty overseeing operations. Along the dock side came 3 crew members, i'll tell you the dept later, when they arrived at the gangway they obediently showed their crew cards to the Security and then, needing to sanatise their hands, immediately put their crew cards in their mouths!!!!
When i pointed out to them what they had done they were so embarrassed and had done it without thinking, it was a natural instinct!
It case you're still wondering what the problem was, just think it through. Dirty hands holding card, place card in mouth to sanatise hands - Oh yes!!

The Dept by the way was Medical! 1 Dr and 2 nurses!!  Needless to say they were at my office straight after sailing to ask if i had any lanyards, thereafter it was included in the Medical section of the training for new crew!!

Hence the reason i always carried my Crew card on a lanyard, and the fact it also held my Grand Master key!!!


     
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 05, 2020, 05:32 AM
Cruise ship linked to coronavirus death held off coast of San Francisco

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/coronavirus-san-francisco-cruise-ship-grand-princess
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Mar 05, 2020, 12:33 PM
The poor old cruise ships are becoming a bit of a pariah, I heard the Diamond Princess referred to as 'the virus of the seas' on a radio station in the US recently!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Mar 05, 2020, 02:29 PM
Planes did in Atlantic crossings - coronavirus doing in cruises ?  (especially Princess ships) !  :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 05, 2020, 10:57 PM
The poor old cruise ships are becoming a bit of a pariah, I heard the Diamond Princess referred to as 'the virus of the seas' on a radio station in the US recently!

Carnival UK share price for the last 5 years attached...

I can't see why this won't just continue to get worse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Mar 06, 2020, 05:41 AM
I imagine airlines would also be affected. To my mind, it would actually be good for us and our planet if we all travelled a bit less.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Mar 06, 2020, 08:34 AM
I imagine airlines would also be affected.

They are, and one ( FlyBe ) has already gone bust as a direct result of the fear of this virus putting people off from booking.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 07, 2020, 09:14 AM
Half the people tested so far on Grand Princess have tested positive, and vice President Pence is advising elderly Americans to consider not traveling on cruises, which was inevitable.

It's now 5 or 6 weeks since I started this topic, and my view remains that I wouldn't go near a cruise ship just now, and can't see how much longer they can continue to operate in the current emergency.

Workplaces with just 1 or 2 cases send everyone home for a week or two until they deep clean the office...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Mar 09, 2020, 08:49 AM
The cruise industry will take some time to recover from this - galling given it wasnt their doing in the first place!!

The almost hysterical reaction of some folks - panic buying irrelevant articles from supermarkets etc points to the way the media can manipulate situations.

This is an aggresive strain of the flu virus which will sadly take the ones with poor immune systems or with existing conditions. The common flu still kills more people every year than this version!

Be sensible and avoid getting caught up in the media hype!!!

Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Mar 09, 2020, 11:54 AM
The cruise industry will take some time to recover from this - galling given it wasnt their doing in the first place!!

The almost hysterical reaction of some folks - panic buying irrelevant articles from supermarkets etc points to the way the media can manipulate situations.

This is an aggresive strain of the flu virus which will sadly take the ones with poor immune systems or with existing conditions. The common flu still kills more people every year than this version!

Be sensible and avoid getting caught up in the media hype!!!

Gav

Exactly my thoughts particularly regarding the media, provided COVID-19 doesn't mutate in the way the Influenza of 1919 did.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Mar 10, 2020, 01:28 PM
Well said, Gav and Thomas.  Interestingly, the three ships involved so far to any extent are Princess ships.  Is it coincidental or is some other factor in place ?  I was on Sky Princess in January, and I thought there was more emphasis on hand washing, etc. than there was on recent cruises on MSC or HAL. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Bruce Nicholls on Mar 11, 2020, 05:28 PM
My mother and stepfather (92 and 93) were due to sail on the new Saga Spirit of Discovery on Monday last week. a severe outbreak of Novovirus on the previous 2 cruises (notified to them by Saga) and the Coronovirus threat lead to them cancelling on the Friday before. I thought wisely given their ages.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Chris Hodges on Mar 11, 2020, 05:54 PM
We are booked on QM2 return transatlantic in May and today received communication from cunard re the outbreak. They have massively revised their cancellation policy offering 100% refunds or future cruise credit up until 48hrs before departure. They have also added a further $400 onboard credit to our account which we aren’t to disappointed about  8) 8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 12, 2020, 08:47 PM
British nationals aged 70 and over and those with underlying health conditions are advised not to travel on cruise ships. #Covid_19

https://twitter.com/foreignoffice/status/1238173037830320128
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 12, 2020, 08:49 PM
And I don't want to say I told you so (ages ago) but...

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1238192551972278276
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Mar 13, 2020, 10:02 AM
From a business point of view this is a disaster - not only for the cruise industry itself but also the sub industries that rely on it.

Whilst it is of paramount importance to focus on Covid-19 there have to be measures put in place to support industries / businesses during and also in the immediate aftermath.

I take no pleasure whatsoever in reading about these decisions - this pandemic is going to affect the global economy for years to come. Even if you dont contract the virus it'll affect you in some way.

G
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 13, 2020, 06:45 PM
I take no pleasure either, however I'm frustrated that it was clear that this was going to happen, but nobody else seemed to acknowledge it.  Thousands of people in close contact just now isn't a great idea, let alone moving them all from country to country.

Cunard must be hugely affected.  They have lots of older passengers, who are being advised not to go on cruise ships (or anywhere else now).  I'm amazed they've managed to keep sailing this long.

The cruise industry provides employment and enjoyment, but also has a huge number of problems now due to constant growth over the past couple of decades (thousands of extremely large polluting ships).

The majority of businesses will be affected, lots of them very seriously. Lots of us are going to have to lose our jobs, or take unpaid leave, hopefully temporarily...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Mar 14, 2020, 12:10 AM
We are getting ready to disembark QM2 after a fabulous 25 night cruise around Australia.

With the developing Coronavirus situation the Captain announced this morning that no new passengers will be embarking on the ship this morning and that there will be no crew changes, including himself.  He also announced that the ship would not call at reunion isles and there may be further itinerary changes depending on how the virus situation develops.

These changes have been done for the safety of crew and passengers. I have to say that while onboard ship I have felt it is a safe environment and not felt at risk, but now going off ship and with homeward ahead just need to take what precautions I can take.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Mar 14, 2020, 01:19 AM
All the best, Lynda, for a safe homeward journey ! June  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Mar 14, 2020, 01:28 AM
More cruise lines are suspending operations, at least into and out of US ports for 30 days - MSC, Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Disney, Aida, and Norwegian.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 14, 2020, 08:58 AM
Cunard has now ceased North American departures for a month

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cunard-announces-month-long-pause-015400846.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Alex Tarry on Mar 14, 2020, 10:01 AM
Probably not the best time to have a hotel based in an old ocean liner also...

Next few weeks will be crazy, bigger question now is whether things go back to where they were...or change permanently?

Personally I feel some things, like the cruise industry, may never be quite the same again...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Bruce Nicholls on Mar 14, 2020, 12:33 PM
It certainly makes the investment in a mega ship look a doubtful one, in the medium term at least.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: skilly56 on Mar 14, 2020, 01:42 PM
And, ALL cruise ships are banned from New Zealand ports until June 30th (at this time), so that's the end of the NZ cruise season for this year. The effects on tourism-based industries & small businesses here will be huge!

ALL people (except for aircrew) flying into NZ after midnight today (Sunday 15th March) will now have to go into 14 days of monitored self-isolation.

Who would want to come down here for a holiday, and spend the first 14 days isolated in a hotel room?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Mar 14, 2020, 09:10 PM
With all this panic buying going on I wonder if disembarking pax are nicking the toilet paper... ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 15, 2020, 11:57 AM
CORONAVIRUS: QUEEN MARY 2 ROUND-THE-WORLD VOYAGE COMES TO ABRUPT END

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/coronavirus-update-cunard-queen-mary-2-cruise-ship-passengers-a9402691.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Mar 15, 2020, 12:14 PM
Need to wait for Cunard to confirm this latest information. It appears the ship is still in Fremantle and yesterday the Captain announced the changes to itinerary and if World Cruise passengers wanted to disembark arrangement would be made.

There are a couple of inaccuracies in the Independent’s report so we should wait for Cunard’s PR release, but it is is  a possibility.

The world has gone crazy!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 15, 2020, 04:45 PM
From the Financial Times

Will cruise ships survive and what will be left of them?

It is no surprise that virus-hit Carnival is the FTSE’s worst performer this year

https://www.ft.com/content/ebdab86c-6509-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 15, 2020, 06:57 PM
Need to wait for Cunard to confirm this latest information. It appears the ship is still in Fremantle and yesterday the Captain announced the changes to itinerary and if World Cruise passengers wanted to disembark arrangement would be made.

There are a couple of inaccuracies in the Independent’s report so we should wait for Cunard’s PR release, but it is is  a possibility.

The world has gone crazy!

Information is here - https://www.cunard.com/en-gb/contact-us/travel-health-advisories
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: QE2forever on Mar 16, 2020, 07:15 AM
Yes, sadly QM2's World Cruise has been terminated at Fremantle.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Mar 16, 2020, 10:01 AM
As planned waiting at hotel in Perth for transfer to airport and seeing some QM2 passengers. One gentleman from NY said arrangements made to stay at the hotel for four days full board with drinks included. The people we met on Saturday, who had not been allowed to board at Fremantle were also getting four days full board, 100% refund or 150% towards a future cruise.

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Mar 16, 2020, 10:50 AM
As planned waiting at hotel in Perth for transfer to airport and seeing some QM2 passengers. One gentleman from NY said arrangements made to stay at the hotel for four days full board with drinks included. The people we met on Saturday, who had not been allowed to board at Fremantle were also getting four days full board, 100% refund or 150% towards a future cruise.

Well, you really made history, Lynda! You must be glad that you took this final opportunity to take a QM2 cruise before the world of cruising (and many other worlds) changed, probably for a long long time...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 16, 2020, 12:00 PM
BBC News - Coronavirus: Cunard ends its three world cruises (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-51904969)




Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Mar 16, 2020, 12:03 PM
Well, you really made history, Lynda! You must be glad that you took this final opportunity to take a QM2 cruise before the world of cruising (and many other worlds) changed, probably for a long long time...

It has been an amazing cruise and I am glad we got the opportunity to do it, sad situation with the virus. I was speaking to some of the world cruisers who came off the ship this afternoon. They are accepting the situation and I suspect they will get good compensation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Mar 16, 2020, 12:40 PM
I overheard a man on the phone at the airport say there were 300 passengers sailed with the ship. Not sure if there  is any truth in this, but it is possible there are people who cannot fly for health reasons. I am sure more information will become available in the coming days.

Amazing what you hear going up the escalator at the airport, but could be nonsense
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Mar 16, 2020, 01:20 PM
Just read from your Facebook post that QM2 is to sail light ship back to Soton? I am assuming QV and QE will follow suit?

Glad you got your cruise Lynda! Who knows what Covid 19 will do to the world as we currently know it. I fear for companies who are already on a wobbly financial footing.

The safety of people is of paramount importance but it is hard to see how things will pan out in the aftermath!

Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 16, 2020, 01:21 PM
Fred Olsen's Braemar is stuck in the Bahamas with passengers and crew infected with COVID-19

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/cruise-ships-stranded-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

The Silver Shadow also has an affected passenger, as does the Silver Explorer

In fact the futher you read that article, the more you see there was no way for them to continue.

I have to ask - when can they restart?  From my reading of the situation, it could be a year.  I'm not sure I see the companies surviving that long...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 16, 2020, 01:22 PM
Just read from your Facebook post that QM2 is to sail light ship back to Soton? I am assuming QV and QE will follow suit?
...
Gav

It was on the BBC earlier -

BBC News - Coronavirus: Cunard ends its three world cruises (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-51904969)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Mar 16, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jeez Soton is going to be a busy place soon!

G
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Mar 16, 2020, 01:42 PM
QM2 and QV are set to head back to Southampton. QE seems to be set to layup or to try to layup somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere, not being headed back to Southampton at the moment, and is empty of passengers having left Sydney early this morning (Sydney local time) according to one of her deck officer's Instagram stories. She is underway at low speed with a "port not recognised" next port/destination on MarineTraffic.

Saga Sapphire (with only a couple/few voyages left with Saga before leaving the fleet) has left Dover for layup in Tilbury alongside Spirit of Discovery which left Southampton a couple of days ago. Astoria and Magellan are already laid up in Tilbury.

Aurora has headed back to Southampton, Black Watch and Balmoral as well. Boudicca to Dover.

Southampton and other ports will appear to see laid up passenger ships in numbers not seen since the Seaman's Strike of 1966 with all the consequences that causes. That's not even considering certain types of cargo ship - car carriers laid up with people not buying cars, tankers laid up with less oil consumption etc etc…

I also wonder what Fincantieri and Meyer Werft are thinking and doing. For example, P&O's new flagship Iona is due to debut in May but who knows whether she will after all?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Chris Hodges on Mar 16, 2020, 04:36 PM
QM2 suspended services until 11/4/2020. I’m guessing that’ dates verges on the side of caution, However, it’ll take most of that time between now and then to return from Australia.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Mar 16, 2020, 11:01 PM
Out of service dates for different companies are being pushed further ahead with each new press release. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 19, 2020, 01:30 PM
I'm sorry to keep posting on this already depressing topic, however it's already giving an interesting story of how it all unfolded, if you start reading at the start.

Attached is carnival UK's share price position this afternoon...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Mar 20, 2020, 08:52 AM
I'm sorry to keep posting on this already depressing topic, however it's already giving an interesting story of how it all unfolded, if you start reading at the start.

Attached is carnival UK's share price position this afternoon...

No need to apologise Rob as you said on the main Covid19 topic - this gives a "for the record" account of happenings in the cruise industry during these unprecedented times.

Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 20, 2020, 12:32 PM
A Cunard update about where their ships are / are going to.

From https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22640-cunard-line-fleet-update.html

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Cunard Line has released the following fleet update on its three vessels.

The Queen Elizabeth has disembarked all guests and is currently anchored at the Port of Gladstone.

The Queen Mary 2 is crossing the Indian Ocean on passage back to Southampton, due to arrive April 11 and berth at the QEII terminal.

The Queen Victoria has sailed from Port Everglades and is on her way across the Atlantic back to Southampton, due to arrive March 26. She will berth at the QEII Terminal before relocating to anchorage at Portland.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Ian Davies on Mar 22, 2020, 02:48 PM
Cruise ships to the rescue

Report attached. American cruise ships could be sent offshore US cities to provide extra hospital space

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/trump-says-carnival-offering-cruise-ships-to-help-in-coronavirus-crisis/
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Mar 22, 2020, 08:53 PM
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American cruise ships could be sent offshore US cities to provide extra hospital space

Considering the rapid spread of the Virus on the Diamond Princess is this really a good idea??
Also wonder what is going on with that ship, marine tracker still shows her in Yokohama, must be a miserable life for the crew as I'm sure they cannot go ashore....
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Mar 22, 2020, 10:08 PM
Considering the rapid spread of the Virus on the Diamond Princess is this really a good idea??
Also wonder what is going on with that ship, marine tracker still shows her in Yokohama, must be a miserable life for the crew as I'm sure they cannot go ashore....

As far as I know, Yokohama is the home port of the Diamond Princess, and again as far as I know the crew all disembarked quite a while ago. Although perhaps there are some basic crew on board to look after her while she is stranded, so to speak...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 23, 2020, 07:31 AM
Flabbergasted to read this this morning, and that the ship embarked passengers so recently.

Business Insider: Passengers, crew exhibit flu-like symptoms on Holland America cruise - Business Insider.

https://www.businessinsider.com/holland-america-cruise-zaandam-passengers-crew-flu-symptoms-2020-3
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: skilly56 on Mar 23, 2020, 09:20 AM
It looks like Princess Cruises must have the least efficient testing, checking & reporting system as normal fit-out on all their ships.

When Ruby Princess was in NZ waters, many pax were taken ashore in Akaroa Harbour for scenic tours around Christchurch & Canterbury. The ship then cut the itinerary short and headed for Australia.

Just before arrival there it was reported they may have 3 or 4 'flu' cases on board. Princess Cruises went public the next day and claimed there were NO cases on board at all (which, in hindsight, is probably correct. The cases weren't 'flu' - they were coronavirus!).

Then today, we are told there have so far been around 26 cases of coronavirus confirmed from both passengers & crew, AFTER the 2,700 passengers were permitted to disembark, all untested! Today, 5 new coronavirus cases in ACT Canberra had been directly traced back to Ruby Princess. And it was also reported by 'The Guardian' that 158 cases of illness occurred on the ship before the pax disembarked!

When are the bumbling port and medical authorities around the world going to stop allowing un-tested people off these ships!

Thankfully, NZ is now going into lock down for four weeks (initially).

Skilly
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 24, 2020, 02:42 PM
Much food for thought here

Don’t bail out the cruise industry
Trump said it’s a ‘prime candidate,’ but there are plenty of reasons not to

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/23/21187076/cruise-line-industry-bailout-trump-coronavirus-us-companies-tax

Summary :-

They’re not really US companies.
They pay basically zero federal income tax
They’re bad corporate actors.
They pollute the air and oceans
They aren’t necessary.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 24, 2020, 04:24 PM
Coronavirus: How did Australia's Ruby Princess cruise debacle happen?

On Thursday, the Ruby Princess cruise ship docked in Sydney with dozens of undiagnosed coronavirus cases onboard.  Almost 2,700 passengers - some coughing and spluttering - were allowed to leave the ship at Sydney Harbour, catching trains, buses and even overseas flights to get home...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51999845
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: QE2forever on Mar 25, 2020, 04:44 PM
Not really encouraging...

https://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/293104/cdc-coronavirus-survived-17-days-on-diamond-princess-cabin-surfaces/

Viral particle RNA "was found up to 17 days after passengers disembarked the Diamond Princess, but experts don't know if they are viable or not". More info here:

https://www.livescience.com/how-long-coronavirus-last-surfaces.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 25, 2020, 06:08 PM
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Don’t bail out the cruise industry   
As with the airlines, are the CEOs taking any pay cuts, have they halted any payout to the shareholders ? 
If the answer is No. Then Government handouts should in the meantime not perhaps be forthcoming.

A look at BA /IAG and their massive profits and payouts. The Big Boss of IAG has already flouted company policy by having "activities" outwith the office with a member of staff .  With CEOs when the going is good they get all the perks, alas when the going is bad , they should be first to give up the perks. The guy from BA has given up a token sum, but only after pressure.

Look how much some of the US airlines make in extra revenue. Southwest for their Earlybird check in, which l use every time at $15/$20 a flight  allows the system to check you into a early boarding position. They gathered in 2017 $315 million  . They havent released last years figures.  Granted 2 bags fly free so there is no regular baggage fees.     
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 25, 2020, 09:42 PM
Hundreds of Australians stranded on Norwegian Jewel cruise ship land in Sydney

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/hundreds-of-australians-stranded-on-norwegian-jewel-cruise-ship-land-in-sydney
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Mar 26, 2020, 10:45 PM
The Diamond Princess has been released from quarantine and will be refurbished so as to start service again, possibly, in mid-May :

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/26/national/diamond-princess-yokohama/?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Mar 27, 2020, 05:52 PM
And as for cruiseships locked down at anchor! Just checked a marine tracking site. A lot of ships at anchor off of Floridaand the bahamas, they are the green dots in the attached screen shots.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 28, 2020, 10:42 AM
Holland America's Zaandam surprisingly still sailing with unsurprising consequences

'Very scary': pleas for safe harbour from stranded cruise ship near Panama

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/28/very-scary-pleas-for-safe-harbour-from-stranded-cruise-ship-near-panama?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 28, 2020, 10:44 AM
Hurtigruten's Roald Amundsen caught up in it, even though no cases proven on board.  Countries don't want cruise ships visiting, they're seen as spreaders by the public.  Everyone says that the world will be different after this, and it's hard to argue, but the cruise industry will surely be unrecognisable.

Coronavirus ban: more than 100 Australian doctors and dentists stuck on cruise ship off Chile

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/coronavirus-covid-19-australian-doctors-dentists-stuck-cruise-ship-coast-chile?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Mar 28, 2020, 05:53 PM
The Zaandam is not being allowed through the Panama Canal with any sick passengers aboard.  Four people aboard have died and they are aware of two others testing positive for Covid-19.  130 more aboard have flu like symptoms.  They are going to try an at sea transfer of all healthy passengers to Rotterdam.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Mar 30, 2020, 12:01 AM
Zaandam has received permission to go through the Panama Canal.  She is currently disembarking healthy passengers, 50 per lifeboat, to Rotterdam. The ill passengers and the four deceased are staying aboard Zaandam. What a situation to be in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 31, 2020, 07:13 PM
In general, I believe that cruise ships carried on sailing for far, far too long.

But this is inexcusable : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/cruise-ship-chief-zaandam-and-rotterdam-passengers-left-to-fend-for-themselves-covid-19-crisis
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Mar 31, 2020, 08:57 PM
Should they not be heading for their home ports, wherever they might be? I can see that other ports may not want to accept these passengers, although if they are seriously sick, they need to be admitted to the nearest hospitals if at all possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 31, 2020, 10:24 PM
You need to read this. It couldn't possibly be more serious for Carnival, and there's questions over whether it can survive.

Carnival cruises seeks $6bn funding amid coronavirus fallout

World’s largest cruise operator and owner of Diamond Princess admits sector may never recover from pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/31/carnival-cruises-seeks-6bn-funding-amid-coronavirus-fallout (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/31/carnival-cruises-seeks-6bn-funding-amid-coronavirus-fallout?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: cunardqueen on Apr 01, 2020, 01:37 AM
Given how most of the cruise lines are registered, lord knows where , in an effort to avoid paying as little Tax as possible and other implications, should a government bailout even be on the table ?

British Airways owners are registered in Spain, Flybe went under and was going bust anyway before this outbreak and Loganair provide a lifeline service to the Scottish Islands. Three Airlines and three different reasons for wanting a bailout.   
 
Interesting times indeed. And what word of Cunards new ship being built as we speak, Queen Corona
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: QE2forever on Apr 01, 2020, 07:15 AM
Who could have imagined that...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 01, 2020, 09:18 AM
Two very good replies there!  You both made me laugh, despite the obvious gravity of the entire situation.

I can't see cruising resuming within a year, and I think it will be longer, and unrecognisable when it does.

Who could have imagined that...

Excellent, who did you do that for? 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: QE2forever on Apr 01, 2020, 10:02 AM
No one... Just had the idea.

I've got plenty of time right now - most clients closed, all projects being laid up idle or cancelled.

Keeping calm and carrying on drawing  ;D

I did another one to help figure out why the lockdown is so important. Now can you imagine how many interactions in a ship with 5,000 individuals?




Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 01, 2020, 11:48 AM
I did another one to help figure out why the lockdown is so important. Now can you imagine how many interactions in a ship with 5,000 individuals?

Both excellent illustrations! Thank you for sharing them with us. That second one is great for helping people to understand the importance of the lockdown. And you don't even have to be a mathematician :) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Andy Holloway on Apr 01, 2020, 02:22 PM
I am in contact with 3 friends who are still at sea but with 3 different cruise lines.
1 is with HAL and has been on a 'grand tour' of the  Mexican coast between Cabo san Lucas and San Diego to collect supplies, off load sludge, refuel etc.
Another has been been flown from Canada, where he lives, to UK, taken to Dover, boarded his ship and went straight into a 14 day quarantine period, then he'll take over as Security Officer. On the up side, he is in a top level suite with balcony and an 'unrivaled view' of the grey cliffs of Dover!
The 3rd one is with RCCL and is at anchor outside Tampa for the next 2 weeks. Then they'll go back in and off load about 500 crew leaving a 'worknig/safety' crew of about 150!
He was due off in 3 weeks, but his relief is stuck in India!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : "Operation Nemesis" unfolds in Sydney Harbour
Post by: Boris on Apr 04, 2020, 12:19 PM
' ... In the largest <peacetime> maritime operation ever undertaken in the harbour, NSW Police and the Port Authority are moving at least 1300 crew members between five cruise ships today ...'https://www.9news.com.au/health/five-cruise-ships-to-depart-nsw-waters/d88cee37-16a9-4b01-aab6-310787d30318 (https://www.9news.com.au/health/five-cruise-ships-to-depart-nsw-waters/d88cee37-16a9-4b01-aab6-310787d30318)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : "Operation Nemesis" unfolds in Sydney Harbour
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 04, 2020, 01:26 PM
' ... In the largest <peacetime> maritime operation ever undertaken in the harbour, NSW Police and the Port Authority are moving at least 1300 crew members between five cruise ships today ...'https://www.9news.com.au/health/five-cruise-ships-to-depart-nsw-waters/d88cee37-16a9-4b01-aab6-310787d30318 (https://www.9news.com.au/health/five-cruise-ships-to-depart-nsw-waters/d88cee37-16a9-4b01-aab6-310787d30318)

I hadn't read about this, thats impressive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Apr 05, 2020, 07:00 PM
Another Princess cruise ship just docked in the Port of Miami with two aboard deceased and a number of others testing positive for Covid-19.  I can't for the life of me fathom why people would start on a cruise in March, especially on Princess, with all of the coronavirus infections already so prevalent. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Apr 05, 2020, 10:31 PM
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I can't for the life of me fathom why people would start on a cruise in March, especially on Princess, with all of the coronavirus infections already so prevalent.

Unfortunately June it's human nature! Plus probably an unforgiving cruise line cancellation policy.
People out there are just not taking this seriously enough, the lake I live on is packed this weekend, several of the larger boats have at least 10 people on then and they are not social distancing!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 05, 2020, 11:42 PM
At least 11 passengers from ship have now died, more than 30% of Australia’s total Covid-19 deaths

Criminal investigation launched into Ruby Princess cruise ship coronavirus disaster

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/criminal-investigation-launched-ruby-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-disaster?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 06, 2020, 06:29 AM
https://twitter.com/GavinCoote/status/1246937960395575297
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 06, 2020, 09:33 AM
The Motley Fool: Will Carnival, Royal Caribbean, and Norwegian Cruise Line All Survive?.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/05/will-carnival-royal-caribbean-and-norwegian-cruise.aspx

CNBC: Carnival's struggle to survive the coronavirus as outbreak wipes out the cruise industry.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/05/carnivals-struggle-to-survive-the-coronavirus-as-outbreak-wipes-out-the-cruise-industry.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 06, 2020, 09:44 AM
My latest views on this whole thing.

1.  THey need to urgently rethink air-conditioning on cruise ships.  In fact it may become essential that these systems are re-engineered and proven to not spread viruses, before the ships can resume service.

2.  Things cannot resume until passengers can prove they are vaccinated, or have the antibody.  Certificates or whatever will be required.

3.  They need to offer huge discounts - really huge.  And they should start by targetting past customers.

4. No-one's going to be cruising for the rest of 2020 I'm sure.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 06, 2020, 10:14 AM
I agree with you, Rob.

I would also add that a lot of work needs to be done with ports, so as to satisfy them that any cruise ship berthing or anchoring there will not be importing the virus.

Cargo ships are continuing to work (very importantly at this time for us all). I wonder whether there is something that can be learnt from them? Or are they less of a threat simply because of the very small crew numbers on them -- far more manageable (but is that a convincing argument...?). Or maybe the crew have to stay on board?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Apr 06, 2020, 10:17 AM

1.  THey need to urgently rethink air-conditioning on cruise ships.  In fact it may become essential that these systems are re-engineered and proven to not spread viruses, before the ships can resume service.


Whilst I totally agree - this will be the hardest part to achieve as Air Con systems are generally connected by ducting to centralised units. To achieve segregation each cabin would require its own aircon unit which I am not sure of how that could be achieved without massive expense which the cruise lines wont have the capital to hand to undertake.

Also - you need to achieve this in the public spaces of the vessel also I would think.

The same issue exists in hotels, offices, factories etc.

Point 2 has to be mandatory moving forward.


Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Apr 06, 2020, 11:07 AM
Quite a few hotels I have stayed in, particularly mid range hotels in  Paris, have individual air conditioning units for each room - so it can be done without it being obtrusive.  I believe these are done with a central piping system for the temperature, but the actual air is circulated from within the room itself - so it's more an air heating / cooling system.

To achieve this would simply required the existing centralised air ducts to be replaced by hot and cold water pipes - which should not be very difficult or even excessively expensive to do; they could even be run along what are currently the air ducts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 06, 2020, 01:03 PM
My latest views on this whole thing.

1.  THey need to urgently rethink air-conditioning on cruise ships.  In fact it may become essential that these systems are re-engineered and proven to not spread viruses, before the ships can resume service.

2.  Things cannot resume until passengers can prove they are vaccinated, or have the antibody.  Certificates or whatever will be required.

3.  They need to offer huge discounts - really huge.  And they should start by targetting past customers.

4. No-one's going to be cruising for the rest of 2020 I'm sure.


Hi Rob

Aircon to separate cabins might be great as long as:
People, including  Crew / don't fly to join ships.
People sit 2m apart in Theatres and Dining Areas etc
People don't pass on the two-way Alleyways
People pass the Cunard Cough on as readly as they eat meals!
Vaccination / Precvention will take a long time - I don't think they are even on the earliest stages of trialling yet
Cure - Could take as long...
Travel Insurance could be prohibitive for the Oldies and "Infirmies"

This all is such a poignant reminder of working in the earliest stages of HIV -
when Australia and others refusing entry,
and testing for the Virus, NB - a negative result can only last for the date and time test is made -
and could be positive even later on same day.

Currently, gloom for the future seems realistic... :(





 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 06, 2020, 05:24 PM
QE2 makes an appearance in this Khaleej Times video. I don't think she contributed her voice though as it would've been very noticeable and would've put every other horn/whistle there to shame!

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 09, 2020, 07:48 AM
NSW police raid Ruby Princess to seize black box and question crew about coronavirus scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/09/nsw-police-raid-ruby-princess-to-seize-evidence-and-question-crew-about-coronavirus-scandal
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Apr 09, 2020, 11:32 AM
Thomas, thanks for posting the video, what a lovely thing to do having the boats sounding their horns every evening. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on Apr 09, 2020, 01:01 PM
Was looking at the cruise ship tracking site today, Carnival Legend's destination says it all!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Apr 12, 2020, 10:05 AM
I read an article in the financial Times today about the ships laid up in Southampton and UK waters.
https://www.ft.com/content/7f603d42-f05f-431b-9187-a7b1b9f683c4

I now find that I cannot access it without subscribing, but anyone who has a subscription may be interesting in having a read. 

A note from the Editor states that FT is making key Coronavirus information free to read but not sure if it includes the article I have referred to but there is some interesting articles.

See free to read articles (https://www.ft.com/coronavirusfree)

Basically the Cruise Ship article mentions that UK Government Ministers are in discussion regarding repatriating around 4000 crew on five cruise ships. But as a high number of the crew are Indian Nationality, they cannot travel home because their country is restricting movement into and around the country. 

On the P&O ship Azura some crew have tested positive for Covid-19.  TUI Marella Celebration, anchored near Southampton statement said there are no Coronavirus cases onboard and they are working to repatriate the remaining crew onboard. 

Carnival stated that they are working to repatriate as many crew as possible, but with 60 nationalities onboard and travel restrictions in place there is a need to consider the health and wellbeing of crew members. 

Carnival and TUI made a statement  that they have moved crew from the cramped crew cabins into vacant passenger cabins to reduce the risk of the spread of infection. 

Queen Mary 2 is due to return to Southampton on 15 April with more crew to be repatriated. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 14, 2020, 07:43 PM
The Guardian: Should passengers return to cruise ships after the pandemic? No.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/14/cruise-ships-coronavirus-passengers-future
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 15, 2020, 09:05 AM
Queen Mary 2 arrived "home" to Southampton this morning.

https://twitter.com/cbullocean46/status/1250305367168278530

https://twitter.com/CruiseshipP/status/1250317432654155776
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Apr 15, 2020, 09:25 AM
Welcome home QM2 and well done to Cunard and the ship's crew who have kept QM2 virus free for the whole World Cruise.   :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 15, 2020, 10:40 AM
Welcome home QM2! Very unusual to see her at City Cruise Terminal, which would offer a wonderful close up view from the neighbouring Mayflower Park! What a treat to those using the park for their quarantine exercise!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 15, 2020, 12:08 PM
This is a very moving piece, that aligns a real story with the timeline we've lived out in this topic from January.

'Nobody wants us to dock': how coronavirus wrecked one couple's dream cruise

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/nobody-wants-us-to-dock-how-coronavirus-wrecked-one-couples-dream-cruise
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 20, 2020, 09:47 AM
Is the cruise industry finally out of its depth?

Accidents, pollution, exploitation… cruise firms were in murky waters even before Covid-19

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/apr/19/is-the-cruise-industry-finally-out-of-its-depth
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Apr 20, 2020, 10:50 AM
Interesting article worth reading, especially about other issues, such as pollution the cruising industry is responsible for and the working conditions for crew. 

However, it is not just the cruise industry that will be under threat, but the whole tourism industry.  We are already reading about remote areas having signs posted for tourists to stay away and not spread the virus. 

Seeing cities that are normally tourist hotspots now empty because of the current Covid-19 lockdown, gives us food for thought about the protests that have been made about the number of tourists visiting cities (throughout the world).  Locals complain that apartments are being purchased and rented out instead of being available for local to purchase. In Edinburgh, it is busy to saturation point, not just at festival time but for most of the year. 

We enjoy our cruises/holidays - it may take time for the tourism industry to recover and perhaps it is the time to reconsider what benefits cruising companies give to the places they visit, the conditions on cruise ships and the hygiene of passengers e.g. sneezing into your hand is not acceptable. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 20, 2020, 02:03 PM
This is a more upbeat article.

Coronavirus journey: The 'last cruise ship on Earth' finally comes home

The three last cruise ships still sailing with passengers will dock today - and one has had quite the odyssey.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52350262
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 21, 2020, 04:50 PM
Queen Mary 2 is on her way somewhere, doing 19 knots. Presumably it's a trip to nowhere to get out of the way?

https://twitter.com/towing_man/status/1252558433577992193

https://twitter.com/JasonSi83366536/status/1252613575971127297

https://twitter.com/RMSQueenMary2/status/1252610784888328192
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 21, 2020, 06:45 PM
She is down to around 8 knots, passing the IoW off Ventnor. Probably just stretching her legs, as QV has been doing, before returning to Southampton.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 21, 2020, 09:48 PM
Hi Thomas,
Isn’t she moving so as to try and keep her hull clear of barnacles.
Once growing, they slow down the ship, and cause a great deal of expense fuel-wise.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 22, 2020, 03:46 AM
Hi Thomas,
Isn’t she moving so as to try and keep her hull clear of barnacles.
Once growing, they slow down the ship, and cause a great deal of expense fuel-wise.

That could be one reason, although I'd imagine that would be more of an issue in warmer waters such as in Dubai (as evidenced by QE2's underwater hull, albeit in a static role).
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Andy Holloway on Apr 22, 2020, 08:11 AM
Hi Thomas,
Isn’t she moving so as to try and keep her hull clear of barnacles.
Once growing, they slow down the ship, and cause a great deal of expense fuel-wise.

Having sailed half way around the world to get home, I'd expect that she would have shed far more rubbish off her hull than a few hours sailing up and down the Channel.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 22, 2020, 12:26 PM
Cluster infection on the Costa Atlantica in Nagasaki.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200422_33/

She is undergoing repairs there and has 623 crew on board, but no passengers. 33 of the crew members have so far tested positive.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/22/national/nagasaki-coronavirus-cruise/?ct=t(EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_23_04_2020)#.XqC4kS97H6A

Note also the last paragraph, mentioning the Diamond Princess going back into service...

Update on 26 April : More infections on board the Costa Atlantica.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/25/national/coronavirus-outbreak-cruise-ship-nagasaki/?ct=t(EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_26_04_2020)#.XqYhMy-w36A
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 22, 2020, 01:03 PM
Watching Queen Mary 2 wandering around in the sunshine with no passengers is making me want to be on board more than anything.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 22, 2020, 11:08 PM
I wonder whether the fact that crews are now usually of such mixed nationalities complicates matters too... In one of the cases mentioned above somewhere (apologies for not remembering where...), it became a real problem to help all of them make their way back home, when each country had different regulations about incoming air traffic and many airports were closed altogether.

Would it make things easier if crew members were mostly recruited from one country or a much smaller number of countries?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on Apr 23, 2020, 01:00 AM
One particulate reference was to crew from India as the borders were closed.  I do not know if they are still closed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Apr 23, 2020, 11:55 AM
Watching Queen Mary 2 wandering around in the sunshine with no passengers is making me want to be on board more than anything.

I know it isnt an option but wouldnt it be good to get QM2 out into open water and "give her the beans"?
See what she can do 17yrs after her original trials!

Just dreaming - sorry :)

Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: cunardqueen on Apr 23, 2020, 03:20 PM
So what can they now do with the 3 ships, Tie them up and turn the engines off, deep clean them ? or just what do you do with ships with no passengers?

   
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: skilly56 on Apr 23, 2020, 04:14 PM
The Ruby Princess has just departed Port Kembla (Aussie) with over 200 'mild' cases of the virus on board, heading for Manila, where there are already 6 large cruise ships anchored (including 3 Princess ships and Queen Elizabeth). Queen Elizabeth's Alaskan cruises have just been cancelled - we were doing that one in July, but cancelled 5 weeks back. P&O Australia are refunding our dollars in 4 weeks (so they say).

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be closer to the end of the year or even next before cruising slowly starts getting underway again - all very well to fill a ship with healthy passengers and go sailing off on a cruise, but what happens if some passengers unknowingly contract the virus in the first port of call and bring it back aboard? And the world suddenly has another 'Ruby Princess' on it's hands? The cruise company would have some serious explaining to do. It is nice being retired, but I don't want to become just another statistic!

About three years ago I was on a ship with 60 crew. One flew in from Europe to join, and unknowingly bought the measles with him. He was quickly isolated, and the next morning the remainder of his department turned too with red felt-tip dots plastered all over their faces! We had to feel sorry for him, but had to laugh as well - we weren't dealing with a possible fatality.
We were at sea for 6 weeks (seismic ship) and he spent the entire time locked in his cabins - when he had spent a week in one, we then put him in the cabin next door, then incinerated all his bedding from the first one. Fortunately, we had lots of bedding!

Skilly
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 24, 2020, 08:30 PM
Having sailed half way around the world to get home, I'd expect that she would have shed far more rubbish off her hull than a few hours sailing up and down the Channel.

In follow up to this, I have seen on social media that at least some of the cruise ships are leaving port or their anchorages in order to make fresh water, which of course has several vital uses onboard. I would imagine this is what QM2 has done on her brief foray besides "stretching her legs" so to speak.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 27, 2020, 07:56 AM
The Ruby Princess has just departed Port Kembla (Aussie) with over 200 'mild' cases of the virus on board, heading for Manila, where there are already 6 large cruise ships anchored (including 3 Princess ships and Queen Elizabeth).

The plight of a musician stuck on board the Ruby Princess...

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/irish-musician-stuck-on-cruise-ship-in-sydney-feels-forgotten-1.4232525?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on Apr 27, 2020, 11:39 AM
https://apnews.com/1534addd5ef237377acd1b46ffa81e95
Well done to the teenagers!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 27, 2020, 03:40 PM
https://apnews.com/1534addd5ef237377acd1b46ffa81e95
Well done to the teenagers!

Wow! They'll not forget that in a hurry!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 27, 2020, 08:42 PM
A Cruise Liner Captain’s Perspective on Recent Events

Commodore Christopher Rynd (retired) is the Chairman of The Nautical Institute, SE Australia.

https://www.maritime-executive.com/editorials/a-cruise-liner-captain-s-perspective-on-recent-events
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 30, 2020, 02:00 PM
In follow up to this, I have seen on social media that at least some of the cruise ships are leaving port or their anchorages in order to make fresh water, which of course has several vital uses onboard. I would imagine this is what QM2 has done on her brief foray besides "stretching her legs" so to speak.

Hi Thomas

Just as a matter of interest - as well as increasing the water supply, don't the ships also need to sail so that the hull is kept free from barnacles etc?
Anything stuck to the hull can slow the speed and cost more in fuel as well as time...
See you soon!
Rosie
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 30, 2020, 06:21 PM
Hi Thomas

Just as a matter of interest - as well as increasing the water supply, don't the ships also need to sail so that the hull is kept free from barnacles etc?
Anything stuck to the hull can slow the speed and cost more in fuel as well as time...
See you soon!
Rosie

Probably, but as Andy mentioned above a short jaunt out to sea mostly tootling about at low speed likely won't be as effective as sailing at the usual passage speeds for 100s or 1000s of nautical miles, but it would be better than nothing I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 30, 2020, 07:43 PM
First cruise ship to retire early?

Marella Cruises is making capacity adjustments and will retire the 1984-built Celebration, according to a company statement.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22850-marella-to-retire-celebration.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 30, 2020, 07:49 PM
Revealed: 100,000 crew never made it off cruise ships amid coronavirus crisis

Around the world, more than 100,000 crew workers are still trapped on cruise ships, at least 50 of which have Covid-19 infections, a Guardian investigation has found. They are shut out of ports and banned from air travel that would allow them to return to their homes.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/30/no-end-in-sight-100000-crew-on-cruise-ships-stranded-at-sea-coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 30, 2020, 08:46 PM
Around the world, more than 100,000 crew workers are still trapped on cruise ships, at least 50 of which have Covid-19 infections, a Guardian investigation has found. They are shut out of ports and banned from air travel that would allow them to return to their homes.

This is extremely sad. Particularly as so many of the crew are the main breadwinners for their families, whom they leave behind in order to help them towards a better future... and if they have caught the virus, they need medical care, which may not be available on the cruise ships...

Most of their home countries probably cannot organise repatriation flights... and in any case, they would need to be able to reach an airport first!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: June Ingram on May 01, 2020, 01:33 AM
At present, the US will not allow any crew of any ship back into the country even though they are citizens.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 01, 2020, 01:08 PM
I have a friend with HAL and apparently, they [HAL] have moved crew between ships and are now sailing a lot back to their home countries.
HAL are reducing their crews to very essential ones only, hence an awful lot of non essential crew will stop being paid soon.

For obvious reasons that is all i am going to say.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: QE2forever on May 05, 2020, 05:08 PM
First to go?

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/norwegian-cruise-gets-us-400-million-but-isn-t-sure-it-can-survive-1.1431653
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on May 08, 2020, 11:55 AM
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33338/satellite-images-show-armadas-of-vacant-cruise-ships-huddling-together-out-at-sea
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 08, 2020, 02:18 PM
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33338/satellite-images-show-armadas-of-vacant-cruise-ships-huddling-together-out-at-sea

My goodness - what incredible photos.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 09, 2020, 09:48 PM
If you tune into NHK Japan World right now (in about 2 minutes) :

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/

You can see an hour-long documentary about the Diamond Princess. I am watching!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 11, 2020, 12:22 AM
If you tune into NHK Japan World right now (in about 2 minutes) :

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/

You can see an hour-long documentary about the Diamond Princess. I am watching!

It was an excellent documentary, well worth watching. Lots of interesting conclusions that will apply elsewhere too.

It will be repeated tomorrow (Monday) at 19.50 GMT (i.e. 20.50 British Summertime) at the same link.

After that, it might stay available as a video on demand for a very short time (a week or so), and I shall post a link if this happens.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on May 11, 2020, 11:19 AM
There is a plan afoot by the owner of Greenock Ocean Terminal to layup up to 12 cruise ships on the Clyde.

This has met with opposition from the local government as per the article below.

The main issue is the landing of their crew at Greenock to be repatriated but I would have thought that they would be bussed to the nearest mainline rail station or to the airport etc?

All four of Fred Olsen's vessels are currently at anchor in the Forth and have visited port at least once during this period with no issues that I am aware of.
Surely this should be about getting the crew off the ships and home?

Cruise Ship Layups - River Clyde (https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/18429582.council-declares-opposition-cruise-ships-lay-up-bid/)

Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: cunardqueen on May 11, 2020, 01:17 PM
Given some of the media reports, the crew might be safer staying on board, rather than setting any feet ashore right now in that area.

God forbid we ever be in that position, but with the option stay onboard and be safe, or set foot ashore with the risks in the area...   
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on May 11, 2020, 01:36 PM
Given some of the media reports, the crew might be safer staying on board, rather than setting any feet ashore right now in that area.

God forbid we ever be in that position, but with the option stay onboard and be safe, or set foot ashore with the risks in the area...

Given I live in this area it is probably prudent for me to point out that sadly most of the deaths in Inverclyde can be attributed to Care Homes which is actually in line with the rest of the country in that respect.
I would suggest that otherwise Greenock/ Gourock / Port Glasgow are faring no worse or better than other towns in Scotland with respect to COVID 19.

Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 11, 2020, 03:14 PM
If you tune into NHK Japan World right now (in about 2 minutes) :

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/

You can see an hour-long documentary about the Diamond Princess. I am watching!

Thanks, will try to catch it!  Enjoy watching NHK fairly regularly, once I discovered we have it!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 11, 2020, 03:17 PM
There is a plan afoot by the owner of Greenock Ocean Terminal to layup up to 12 cruise ships on the Clyde.

This has met with opposition from the local government as per the article below.

The main issue is the landing of their crew at Greenock to be repatriated but I would have thought that they would be bussed to the nearest mainline rail station or to the airport etc?

All four of Fred Olsen's vessels are currently at anchor in the Forth and have visited port at least once during this period with no issues that I am aware of.
Surely this should be about getting the crew off the ships and home?

Cruise Ship Layups - River Clyde (https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/18429582.council-declares-opposition-cruise-ships-lay-up-bid/)

Gav

I would have thought, that allowing this would be beneficial for the good times, cruise lines would appreciate the help. 

I don't know how much benefit cruise ships are to the area normally, but they're certainly beneficial to the port, which presumably is a fairly big employer?

Also, after all this, cruising closer to home might be more popular than it was previously.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on May 11, 2020, 03:31 PM
Hi Rob,

Peel Ports are currently in the middle of a £15m upgrade to Greenock Ocean Terminal which includes a purpose built terminal building and an extension of the quayside to accommodate two large cruise vessels or two large container vessels or a mix of the two.

Work has been stopped for obvious reasons just now.

It is questionable how much Inverclyde itself gains from the cruise industry as a lot of pax are bussed off on excursions but we do see a lot of pax walking up our street (GOT is at the bottom of our street) and in our local bar.

What the effects of COVID19 mean for Greenock and also for the cruise industries as a whole remains to be seen I guess.

Gav
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 11, 2020, 06:28 PM
Thanks, will try to catch it!  Enjoy watching NHK fairly regularly, once I discovered we have it!

It has just appeared as a Documentary on Demand, here :

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/documentary/20200509/4001358/

and should be available to watch until 9 August, so just choose the time that suits you best!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 11, 2020, 08:22 PM
It has just appeared as a Documentary on Demand, here :

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/documentary/20200509/4001358/

and should be available to watch until 9 August, so just choose the time that suits you best!

Awesome, thank you.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 11, 2020, 11:59 PM
I've watched the first half, but am falling asleep so will continue tomorrow!  It's really superb, I'm learning lots, and there's lots to think about there.  The experiment with the people in the pretend buffet is fascinating
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Olivia on May 12, 2020, 07:21 AM
P&O Ferries are making 1,100 people redundant...  :(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-52625025
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 12, 2020, 10:50 AM
P&O Ferries are making 1,100 people redundant...  :(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-52625025

Interesting... Same owner as QE2....
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Twynkle on May 12, 2020, 11:44 AM
The News is not good.
This, regarding Carnival ships, from Southampton

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18442111.carnival-plans-large-number-redundancies-southampton-coronavirus-lockdown/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR1-VsBzNq2LRPymh7f7lLcwGREqXiqNER6ulRO9Ez5Vz5m-JO5pcbhD2gY
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 12, 2020, 02:01 PM
The News is not good.
This, regarding Carnival ships, from Southampton

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18442111.carnival-plans-large-number-redundancies-southampton-coronavirus-lockdown/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR1-VsBzNq2LRPymh7f7lLcwGREqXiqNER6ulRO9Ez5Vz5m-JO5pcbhD2gY

Grim news indeed, in unprecedented times.  The cruise industry is one of the worst hit of all, and although they can furlough UK staff, they don't know what the other side looks like, or when it is.  The running costs of lots of laid up ships won't be helping things.
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Post by: Twynkle on May 12, 2020, 02:14 PM
Interesting... Same owner as QE2....

...yes, and was I dreaming, or did i read that Saudi Arabian business invest recently in Carnival?
Oil prices plummeting - petrol here is 99p p.g
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on May 12, 2020, 02:48 PM
https://business.financialpost.com/transportation/nightmare-at-sea-ends-in-death-for-some-cruise-ship-workers

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: CasinoChris on May 12, 2020, 05:43 PM
My sympathies go out to all those crew and staff stuck onboard, I remember how upset we would get when told we could not go ashore after a few days at sea due to Coastguard checks etc. What these folks are being put through is diabolical!!!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Lynda Bradford on May 13, 2020, 09:22 AM
It has just appeared as a Documentary on Demand, here :

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/documentary/20200509/4001358/

and should be available to watch until 9 August, so just choose the time that suits you best!

Thanks for posting Isabelle. It is over an hour long but this is an excellent documentary and one worth watching. I felt really sad for the woman whose husband died, especially as it appears that her plea for help was ignored. 

The test done on how a virus could be spread in a buffet situation is something that the cruise and hotel industry could take note. 

I hate buffets for the very reason that has been demonstrated in the video, people passing on germs by touching the different utensils and lids. 

Interesting that on cruise ships there already are good procedures when Norovirus has been identified on a ship, where only staff serve food in the buffet.  When I was onboard QM2 in February and March there was no Coronavirus onboard ship, but I still think they should have taken the precaution to have food served in the Kings Court rather than the free for all buffet. 

Thanks to everyone who are posting news on this topic.  Very sad that so many crew are still onboard ships and unable to return home and even sadder that some have taken their life.  I know of some Cunard crew who have now returned home but have not seen any announcement from Cunard on what they are doing to help crew, although there is probably news on social media. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: cunardqueen on May 13, 2020, 08:56 PM
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The test done on how a virus could be spread in a buffet situation is something that the cruise and hotel industry could take note.   

Iv noticed over the past few years the trend with some Vegas Buffets is to have individual-sized portions plated  to minimize handling, it works well and a vast portion of Dessert portions are being served as that. But there is still that element of society that will touch and grab. With serving tongs there is nothing worse than finding the tongs for what you want at the next serving station. But alas to have a person covering serving stations dishing the food out does increase costs. And sadly at the end of the day cost does play a big factor no matter how much "they doth protest"

If we think back to only a few month going out for a meal, just how often did your server appear at your table , its probably much more than you ever imagined 

How many of us can honestly say we would sanitize our hands on QE2 when the dispense machines were in place at The Lido. assuming that is they had been checked to make sure there was liquid in them.

Being a single person with the Table for one situation, it was always surprising when being seated , invariably at a table set for two, just how often the other setting was just left there, and that applies to any  restaurant.

My little bug bear , is toast, its always nice at breakfast to toast your own bread, with those toasting machines , they do operate at a high temperature , which is all well and good but if some idiot decides they want to toast a croissant , it just catches fires . Where as if you are being served toast , then you have no idea when you server last cleaned their hands before putting your bread in the toaster.  Alas it was something i never found was very good on QE2 at breakfast, it was usually pretty cold by the time it arrived.               
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 17, 2020, 12:35 PM
A friend of my daughter took this this morning in Weymouth Bay.

"The Queen Victoria joins its fellow Cunard liner Queen Mary 2, as well as P&O ships Aurora, Azura and Arcadia.

Last night,[Friday] the Ventura set off and was replaced by the Brittania."
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 17, 2020, 01:20 PM
Amazing photo.

What the general public don't know when they see this, is that these ships still have their engines running to power everything, and a not tiny crew on board to look after them.  It's not even "warm layup" is it, they're just fully operational basically?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on May 18, 2020, 04:17 PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article242565281.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 24, 2020, 12:55 PM
https://twitter.com/CruiseshipP/status/1264521915391229952
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 24, 2020, 11:46 PM
The Ship Society of South Africa, in its Facebook page :

https://www.facebook.com/Ship-Society-of-South-Africa-141928952554571/?

... mentions a steady flow of cruise ships arriving in Cape Town at a time of year when they would not normally be expected. It is heartening to read that these ships are arriving in order to drop off their South African crew members, so that they can get home.

Some ships mentioned are :

Island Princess
Rotterdam
Veendam
Volendam
Crown Princess

These ships are just taking bunker and continuing on their way with the remaining crew.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Twynkle on May 25, 2020, 01:52 PM
https://twitter.com/CruiseshipP/status/1264521915391229952

The sad thing is that brand new Iona isn't there - she was due to make her Maiden Voyage on May 14th.

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 29, 2020, 03:26 PM
Canada bans cruise ships until November

https://twitter.com/PortholeCruise/status/1266363668490366976
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 31, 2020, 12:04 PM
'A moral obligation': radical reform urged before cruise ships allowed to return to Australia

Unions oppose ‘business as usual’, where multinational companies earn billions from Australian passengers on ships registered in tax havens and crewed by migrant workers

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/31/a-moral-obligation-radical-reform-urged-before-cruise-ships-allowed-to-return-to-australia
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: skilly56 on May 31, 2020, 01:46 PM
Australia was the country probably hardest hit by cruise ships when the virus started appearing. Queensland & West Australia still have their internal borders closed to other Australian states, but the authorities are getting everything under control.

Then, last week a livestock carrier arrived off Fremantle. The radio comms to the health authorities stated they had two cases of high temperature onboard. The health authorities approved them to enter port, and the captain told the harbour authorities they had been cleared by the health authorities.

Now, the ship is in Fremantle, tied up alongside, and there are 6 crew members on board who have Covid-19, with more confirmed cases expected among the 42 crew members. Is it any wonder the Australian authorities & unions want greater control, accountability, and elimination of Flags-of-Convenience vessels, where the flag state is incapable of doing anything when a ship carrying their flag, and registered in their country, is carrying a load of virus arrives in a foreign port.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/26/wa-premier-fears-more-covid-19-infections-after-six-test-positive-on-live-export-ship-in-fremantle

Skilly
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: cunardqueen on May 31, 2020, 10:34 PM
Consider that the deaths in Sydney are only in double figures.
They clearly have their act in order.
A friend was due to fly out via London the day quarantine was to start. He was told in no uncertain ways exactly how it was to operate. Suffice to say he canceled. And for what it's worth no shortage of any PPE equipment in the hospitals in Sydney.     
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 01, 2020, 01:45 PM
There is a plan afoot by the owner of Greenock Ocean Terminal to layup up to 12 cruise ships on the Clyde.

This has met with opposition from the local government as per the article below.

The main issue is the landing of their crew at Greenock to be repatriated but I would have thought that they would be bussed to the nearest mainline rail station or to the airport etc?

All four of Fred Olsen's vessels are currently at anchor in the Forth and have visited port at least once during this period with no issues that I am aware of.
Surely this should be about getting the crew off the ships and home?

Cruise Ship Layups - River Clyde (https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/18429582.council-declares-opposition-cruise-ships-lay-up-bid/)

Gav

Great photos here. You'd never normally see any sort of cruise ship this far up the Clyde.

https://twitter.com/Russardo1/status/1267435242895400963
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 10, 2020, 11:59 AM
Coronavirus: Cunard cruises suspended until November

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-52979123

Quote
The Southampton-based company, which is part of the Carnival group, had paused operations until the end of July.

But the firm's president Simon Palethorpe said the ability for people to move "freely and safely across borders remains seemingly some way in the distance".
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Olivia on Jun 10, 2020, 03:51 PM
Although it is sad to see so many ships out of action, this video did make me chuckle just a little bit...

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jun 10, 2020, 03:56 PM
Great find, Olivia! Ships dancing around their anchors, looking cheerful.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Jun 10, 2020, 06:32 PM
Have just seen Aurora anchored in Bournemouth/Poole Bay, she sailed here from Dover, arriving this morning as far as the Marine Traffic app states. Marella Explorer (formerly a Celebrity ship - Galaxy I think) is anchored off the Needles which is very unusual for any ship to do. Marella Explorer is way too far from suitable land for crew repatriation compared to Aurora who's tenders will be able to easily go in and out of Poole Harbour if indeed that's why she's here at all?

Please excuse the not-ideal-as-always digital zoom on the phone camera and the overcast weather!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on Jun 13, 2020, 04:06 PM
"Boris" sent me this:

["https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-zaandam-pariah-ship/?utm_medium=deeplink";]

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 13, 2020, 05:17 PM
If this comes out as a duplicate post, I'm sorry!

Boris sent me this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-zaandam-pariah-ship/?utm_medium=deeplink

I just listened to this while having my twice-weekly session on my exercise bike.  Its a brilliant and well written piece, thanks for sharing. 

Amazing really, if you'd heard this just 7 months ago, you'd have thought it was a fictional story and couldn't possibly happen. 

Having said that, with all the background reading I'd done from good news sources, I wouldn't have gone on a cruise at the time the people in the story on the Zandam did - in fact it was the end of January when I decided that nobody should be going anywhere. 

I'm not saying the passengers were silly to go, but I am saying that the cruise companies totally failed them.  Worse than that, the cruise companies failed their crews too.  By continuing to deal with passengers, the crew also got infected, some died, and some are still to this day stuck on cruise ships all over the world and unable to get home.  Heads should roll, they really should.  Had the ships stopped and been laid up safely in February or even early March, things would have been so much better.  They did not do enough.

The information was out there and any government, or Bill Gates, could have told that everyone knew a pandemic was coming, they just didn't know when.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: skilly56 on Jun 14, 2020, 10:36 AM
Had to laugh the other day when Aurora departed Dover - her destination was GB-POO.
My first thought was, she is not the only ship that is really in it!

The Zaandam story - this was very interesting, and high-lighted how little realisation some cruise companies had with regard to coping with the situation. Or, was it, as always, a case of $$ first? My wife & I are still awaiting our refund from Carnival Australia (Cunard) for our cancelled Alaska cruise. We were very lucky we hadn't paid for the airfares or Canadian Rockies rail trip at that time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on Jun 15, 2020, 01:55 PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article243398711.html

Thousands of crew members are still stuck at sea more than two months after the cruise industry shut down amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
Title: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 20, 2020, 04:11 PM
CMV might actually be in trouble.

Cruise and Maritime Voyages in emergency talks after potential loan deal collapses

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/17/cruise-and-maritime-voyages-emergency-talks-loan-deal-collapses
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Jun 20, 2020, 08:33 PM
CMV might actually be in trouble.

Cruise and Maritime Voyages in emergency talks after potential loan deal collapses

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/17/cruise-and-maritime-voyages-emergency-talks-loan-deal-collapses

Very sad state of affairs regarding CMV's ship detentions and financial troubles. Things must be at breaking point and I don't think they'll be the last company either to go this way :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jun 22, 2020, 10:26 AM
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200622_03/

The opening ceremony of the Tokyo International Cruise Terminal, originally planned to take place just ahead of the start of the Summer Olympics, has been postponed, as the Olympics themselves also have. No cruise ships are expected in the foreseeable future.

A new opening date is tentatively envisaged for September, but will depend on circumstances at that time.

Personally, I wonder whether this will take away from Yokohama, which so far has been Tokyo's main port and which itself must be suffering from the absence of cruise ships.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 22, 2020, 10:56 AM
I've just been reading that the Fred Olsen fleet is now laid up in Rosyth in Scotland - in the Babcock facility.

Does anyone know if they're in cold or warm layup?  Having followed QE2s layup for so long I find it interesting.  I'm guessing they must now be in minimal warm layup exactly like QE2 was?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 25, 2020, 10:33 AM
Queen Victoria providing a backdrop as people start to come out to play again

https://twitter.com/CoastalJJuk/status/1275741075693539328
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Post by: Twynkle on Jul 02, 2020, 01:37 PM
All at Sea on ITV  (UK) at 9.00pm July 2nd,  evening  (this evening)

https://www.ft.com/content/465590e2-b49b-11ea-8ecb-0994e384dffe

Comment : This FT article is available to subscribers, and if you are lucky, you may be able to read it even if you are not a subscriber. Give it a try!
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on Jul 09, 2020, 04:13 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/200-000-seafarers-fear-there-s-no-plan-to-get-15396336.php
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 09, 2020, 04:19 PM
Interesting to see Hebridean Cruises have just moved this years cruises forward to next year.
I do wonder just how many more Passengers and cruise companies  will consider more of around the UK cruises ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: QE2forever on Jul 09, 2020, 05:02 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/200-000-seafarers-fear-there-s-no-plan-to-get-15396336.php

Thanks for posting.

"It's sad we are treated this way, unrecognized, forgotten as second-class citizens"

I feel indeed very sad for all the crew members still waiting for repatriation. This is an inhuman and intolerable situation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Twynkle on Jul 09, 2020, 05:54 PM
Rod - Thank you for posting - there have been several similar articles posted by the maritime press /media  regarding the concerns for the mental health of crew who have been stuck on ships for months over their due disembarkation dates.
Queen Victoria's remaining crew who were well over-due to return home, left during the last week of May - a skeleton crew with Senior officers remain on board.
I guess it will be several months before the ships are ready to take on passengers - the EU have released Guidelines for Post Covid cruise ships.
Some of the most inappropriate places to be at the moment - are the cruise line pages on Facebook - it seems as if the passengers can only think in terms of getting refunds, rather than taking time to spare good thoughts for the crew members yet to be repatriated after nearly a year at sea - with no port visits and no days off.
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 09, 2020, 08:12 PM
Interesting to see Hebridean Cruises have just moved this years cruises forward to next year.
I do wonder just how many more Passengers and cruise companies  will consider more of around the UK cruises ?

I think cruises that only deal with one country's people will be popular.  You can see AIDA have started this already in Germany.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 20, 2020, 10:00 PM
Very sad news about CMV going into administration today.

A perfectly successful company, until this...

https://twitter.com/BBCDouglasF/status/1285289646667247616
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM
I was just thinking.

It really is a shame, because I think they stood a good chance of making a fairly quick recovery compared to others. Small ships sticking to a smaller region sounds perfect for these times. Compared to an oasis class ship with 6000 passengers which just fills me with horror
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Twynkle on Jul 20, 2020, 10:58 PM
Cruise & Maritime Voyages Goes Into Administration
Jul 20, 2020

The British company South Quay Travel & Leisure Ltd. has filed for bankruptcy, this announcement affects the cruise operator Cruise & Maritime Voyages (CMV), a brand of South Quay Travel. All planned CMV cruises have been canceled. Visitors on CMV website can find the following message:

%u201CWe are sorry to inform you that South Quay Travel Limited (%u201CSQTL%u201D) %u2013 which traded under the name Cruise & Maritime Voyages %u2013 was placed into administration on 20 July 2020. Paul Williams, Phil Dakin and Edward Bines of Duff & Phelps Ltd. were appointed Joint Administrators of SQTL. At present the Administrators are evaluating SQTL%u2019s financial position.

The information below sets out specific advice for customers who booked in the UK. This advice varies depending on which holiday and travel arrangements you have booked and how you paid.

SQTL sold mainly cruise packages which are protected by ABTA.

They also sold a small number of flight-inclusive packages which are protected by the CAA%u2019s ATOL scheme.

Please be aware that all bookings that have not taken place are cancelled.%u201D

One month ago Cruise and Maritime Voyages was in emergency talks with potential lenders and investors after a potential loan deal collapsed to secure funding to see it through the coronavirus pandemic. Last week the company made a last-minute rescue financing talks, which didn%u2019t work out. As for now the future of the six ships in the fleet is unknown.
This notice was posted on Crew-Center.com

The thoughts here also relate to the advisory involving British passengers that was issued  by the Foreign Office .
Last week they ( the FO) advised that All British passengers should not go on cruise ships. This also meant that no person holding a British passport could be insured for travelling on cruise ships either. CMV carried a great number of British passengers and many departures from several British ports .
Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 22, 2020, 11:32 AM
While out for my walk last night, I listened to BBC Radio 4's flagship "PM" program.

Once they got finished talking about Russia.... they moved onto COVID-19, of course.  Not to panic anyone, but they were basically saying this is going to be with us all for the rest of our lives - even the youngsters amongst us.  The most optimistic expert said 36 months, but they thought that was unlikely.   Successful vaccines will help, but they won't be a magic solution that makes everything go back to normal.

The program is well worth listening to.

As this "thing" has evolved, we've all evolved with it, and learned to cope in our own ways, bit by bit, day by day.  But taken as a whole, this is really gigantically huge.

The cruise industry will NEVER be the same.  There will be HUGE changes.  And it is unclear when they can properly restart.  The only thing I can possibly see working, is a ship doing trips out of a single country, and not visiting any other country, unless perhaps there is an "sea-bridge" agreement in place, similar to they are doing with the "air bridges" for airplanes - although it remains to be seen if that is a sensible idea or not.

So here's my "hot take"

Title: Re: Coronavirus : passengers locked down on cruise ships
Post by: Rod on Jul 22, 2020, 01:22 PM
All I can say....with the virus, Carnival taking over, world security situation etc. etc..... I am glad I got out when I did!

This thing? will also affect tourism on land. I know from having 2 of my family working for " The Mouse" . My daughter is back at work in Disney World, at "Frozen" and it is a totally different experience. A lot of the shows are still not being put on because Equity and Disney cannot agree on safety items. I have been to DW since it reopened and it is just not the same!
Wife is still not back at work, but, she works at Disney Vacation Club, Disney's time share. When she does go back it will probably be from home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : General discussion
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 25, 2020, 01:09 PM
‘We were the luckiest people in the world’: our month on the last lockdown cruise

On 1 March, photographer Jon Tonks left New Zealand on a Pacific cruise. Twenty eight days later, the boat docked in San Diego, amid a pandemic. What happened in between?

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2020/jul/25/luckiest-people-in-the-world-month-on-last-lockdown-cruise
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 31, 2020, 05:59 PM
Aboard the Diamond Princess, a Case Study in Aerosol Transmission

A computer model of the cruise-ship outbreak found that the virus spread most readily in microscopic droplets light enough to linger in the air.

The New York Times: Aboard the Diamond Princess, a Case Study in Aerosol Transmission.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/diamond-princess-coronavirus-aerosol.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: QE2forever on Aug 01, 2020, 04:21 PM
Not really encouraging...

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/hurtigruten-crew-members-test-positive-for-covid-19-on-a-norway-cruise
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 01, 2020, 10:40 PM
Not really encouraging...

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/hurtigruten-crew-members-test-positive-for-covid-19-on-a-norway-cruise

I came here to post the same thing.

Off to a bad start...

https://twitter.com/shipmonk/status/1289515446069350400

Euronews: 36 crew members on Norwegian cruise ship test positive for COVID-19.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/01/33-crew-members-on-norwegian-cruise-ship-test-positive-for-covid-19?utm_source=news.google.com&utm_campaign=feeds_news&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 03, 2020, 04:34 PM
Amazing photo of Queen Mary 2 here, from Azura's Captain

https://twitter.com/CaptainMarcin/status/1285580172624879619

https://twitter.com/CaptainMarcin/status/1283733698165321729
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 03, 2020, 05:47 PM
Mein Schiff 2 has gone back on a first cruise, three days out of Hamburg with no port calls. This is how life on board looks now. Tempted?

Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: QE2forever on Aug 03, 2020, 07:52 PM
Thanks Isabelle for posting.

Tempted? Gosh! No way, ever...

Who would spend (lots of) hard-earned money on something like that?

Sorry, cruise lines. Certainly not me.

Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: CasinoChris on Aug 03, 2020, 08:32 PM
Regarding that video who wants to have to take their phone on a cruise??
My idea of cruising is to get away from everyday life, PHONE NO, I might take an iPad for reading though! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 03, 2020, 11:48 PM
Friends of mine have recently taken a couple of ferries from Italy back to their home in Crete (Greece). They said that, apart from the normal precautions such as masks and sanitisers, these ferries were operating much as usual, and there seemed to be no reduction in their schedule.

They are not ship lovers and use the ferries simply as a mode of transport, but these were their observations when I asked.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 04, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mein Schiff 2 has gone back on a first cruise, three days out of Hamburg with no port calls. This is how life on board looks now. Tempted?


Not at all tempted, but its an excellent and insightful video, lots to think about.  Some of the things they're now doing, they should always have been doing.

Can that ship make a profit at 60% capacity? Or is it just that its losing less money than if it was sitting idle.

I think Hurtigruten's disaster (see above) has set the whole cruise line restart back, however.
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 07, 2020, 09:27 AM
It's now up to 62 on the Roald Amundsen, 41 crew, 21 passengers.

And that's presumably with increased precautions over normal operation...
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Boris on Aug 11, 2020, 03:27 AM
Crew members marooned on cruise ships in US waters has now dropped to 12 084, according  to the US Coastguard. (Was about 80 000 in April).
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/more-than-12000-crew-members-remain-on-cruise-ships-months-after-industry-halted-in-march/ar-BB17LeEV?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/more-than-12000-crew-members-remain-on-cruise-ships-months-after-industry-halted-in-march/ar-BB17LeEV?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout)

Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 12, 2020, 05:22 PM
BBC News - Coronavirus: How ghost cruise ships became a summer tourist attraction

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53720419
Title: Re: Coronavirus : general discussion focussed on the impact on the cruise industry
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Aug 12, 2020, 06:00 PM
BBC News - Coronavirus: How ghost cruise ships became a summer tourist attraction

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53720419

David Trevor-Jones mentioned to my local branch of the WSS (in this month's newsletter) that sightseeing trips are being operated out of Poole too along similar lines. It's a bonanza for some I suppose, but personally I find the current status of the cruise industry deeply concerning and sad to say the least, and wouldn't exactly enjoy this sort of "pleasure cruise" as a result. Seeing the ships falling into (cosmetic at least) disrepair up close and in person would also be depressing.
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Post by: June Ingram on Aug 12, 2020, 06:02 PM
I agree with you, Thomas. For a true ship lover, it would be a source of concern and sadness as well as fear for their ultimate fate.
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Post by: Thomas Hypher on Aug 12, 2020, 06:06 PM
Some photos I took last week of Aurora, Arcadia, and Allure Of The Seas in Bournemouth Bay:
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Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 12, 2020, 07:29 PM
BBC News - Coronavirus: How ghost cruise ships became a summer tourist attraction

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53720419

It must be great for people who have never had a chance to go on a cruise and may never even have considered one. They can have a look at the ships out at sea, wave to the stranded crew members and take good close-up photographs. As most people are taking their holidays close to home, this is a welcome excursion for them and a good way for some local boat owners to make a bit of an income.

Since the cruise ships are stranded anyway, it is good to see some people making the best of the situation.
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Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 25, 2020, 12:49 PM
Long suspensions announced for the Cunard ships, then very different cruises after that to start with - European ones from 3 to 14 nights.

25 March 2021 for Queen Elizabeth

18 April 2021 for Queen Mary 2

16 May 2021 for Queen Victoria

https://www.cunard.com/en-gb/contact-us/travel-health-advisories
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Post by: cunardqueen on Aug 25, 2020, 02:27 PM
I had a quick look for old times sake, couldnt find any of the scenic voyage details for QE. Quite surprised to see fly cruises to Germany for a 2 night trip.  Cant think when l last saw any brochures but im clearly out of touch. None the less l still prefer the old Hard brochure.

The scenic cruising might just be a new way to go, or if your doing the ports then give the passengers longer time ashore. Some might prefer to dine ashore  Besides who doesnt love a late night sailing or better an overnight in port  Arrive at noon and depart late morning. Perhaps now is the time to think outside the ship and bring in new ideas. A short cruise , then carry your own luggage , it happens with airlines, bring in reservation meal times for breakfast lunch afternoon tea and Dinner , go formal meals in the restaurants or casual in the other bits. But by making reservations you can control the masses, we quite happily lined up at Asda at busy times, or had the wisdom to go when its was quietier.  Make the mask wearing compulsory, and who wouldnt love to wear a black branded Cunard mask !     
 

However i cant help but wonder how many people out there would love to spend a night onboard.  a lovely dinner, sleep over, and disembark after breakfast.   It might get a lot of newbies to try a ship out, bring a  lot of the old ones back and more importantly bring in revenue, or maybe right now thats not so important. The marketing department could get their arse into gear and drum up some ideas, ok you might need to limit numbers and stagger embarkation times but could this idea work..??

The past few weekends iv done some travelling, not much, but what is surprising is just how busy it all is, there are people out there willing to spend money, to travel safely and wear masks quite happily.  Most restaurants are doing what they can to abide by the rules, many have their one way of doing things, some good, some pretty bad and some quite innovative. But the secret is make the customer feel safe. A customer who feels safe will return.  There are places out there right now l will never set foot in again, and places iv never tried till recently that l would gladly go back. Right now iv never seen London hotels so cheap .
 
But a night or even two  aboard a ship while shes berthed , I would be up for that ! and if im honest lm surprised to be saying that. While Im not ready to eat humble pie just yet.

Might we now be seeing Cruising re-invented ?

But l must admit to see the cruises being suspended till March and beyond is a scary thought for everyone. 


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Post by: Bruce Nicholls on Sep 06, 2020, 11:21 AM
Keeping them going till them is certainly going to knock the balance sheet about a bit!