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Title: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jan 30, 2018, 08:54 PM
Tuesday 6th Feb, 8pm, Channel 5, UK.

I presume this is the programme that the QE2 story and it's members and moderators has been helping extensively with since last summer?

http://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/f6dw7r/qe2-the-worlds-greatest-cruise-ship--series-1-episode-1/

(https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/gallery/albums/userpics/10596/normal_QE2_Ep1_TX_Card.jpg)
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary QE2 : The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Jan 30, 2018, 09:08 PM
Rob, it does look like it is the QE2 programme that Chanel 5 interviewed people from the QE2 Story and contacts that they met at conference.

I had been interviewed but the producer has not been in contact to let me know that the programme was on next week, or if I will be in the programme, but as I am neither crew or worker, unlikely I will be in next week's episode. 

I am disappointed to see that they have pursued the theme of looting and strikes. The shipyard workers of John Brown's built a magnificent ship and that is what should be remembered.  But we can only wait and see the programme they produce and hope it does the ship justice. 
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary QE2 : The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jan 30, 2018, 09:43 PM
Rob, it does look like it is the QE2 programme that Chanel 5 interviewed people from the QE2 Story and contacts that they met at conference.

I had been interviewed but the producer has not been in contact to let me know that the programme was on next week, or if I will be in the programme, but as I am neither crew or worker, unlikely I will be in next week's episode. 

I am disappointed to see that they have pursued the theme of looting and strikes. The shipyard workers of John Brown's built a magnificent ship and that is what should be remembered.  But we can only wait and see the programme they produce and hope it does the ship justice.

I was so annoyed when they told me they were going at the angle that the original turbines were disastrously bad. I dragged Stephen Payne over and got him to vouch for the fact that they were anything but, and took the ship further than both previous queens combined.  I'm not sure I'm going to be able to watch...
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary QE2 : The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jan 30, 2018, 10:35 PM
I was so annoyed when they told me they were going at the angle that the original turbines were disastrously bad. I dragged Stephen Payne over and got him to vouch for the fact that they were anything but, and took the ship further than both previous queens combined.  I'm not sure I'm going to be able to watch...

Someone had better watch and tell those of us out of BBC range about this programme after it has been aired...
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary QE2 : The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: trevorc on Jan 30, 2018, 11:38 PM
Someone had better watch and tell those of us out of BBC range about this programme after it has been aired...
Yes. Definitely.
Title: Re: QE2 : The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: kevinh on Jan 31, 2018, 12:22 AM
First I start working on my QE2 mini cartoon series, now the whole Forum is part of bringing a TV program on the ship together. Heh, what a coincidence! NOT.  ;D

I like.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary QE2 : The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Cunarder Man on Jan 31, 2018, 05:18 AM
Agree, was interviewed, and would have expected notification of this from the production team. Tuesday 6 & 13 Feb 2019.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary QE2 : The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Jan 31, 2018, 10:47 AM
Someone had better watch and tell those of us out of BBC range about this programme after it has been aired...

Hi Isabelle

You probably know by now but it's on a channel independent of the BBC so I'm not sure whether it'll be available overseas  :( , have to hope that someone makes an illegal copy and uploads it to YouTube without being caught! Or you and others overseas can use a VPN to spoof your location...

Thomas
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: June Ingram on Jan 31, 2018, 04:33 PM
Both Michael and I were instrumental in making contacts between persons to be interviewed and the program producers.  I did not hear anything either about the program being aired.  Many times, here at least, those involved are notified as to when a program will be aired.  I do hope someone will be able to watch it and see what is actually in the program.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Roy Warrender on Jan 31, 2018, 05:41 PM
Hi the program airs Channel 5 Tuesday 6th February  8:00pm in Two episodes
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: June Ingram on Jan 31, 2018, 05:45 PM
Thanks, Roy !  I am in the US and hope someone who has access can watch it.   :)
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Jan 31, 2018, 05:47 PM
I contacted the producer this morning to ask if he will be contacting the people interviewed, especially those contact that he got through the QE2 Story and the conference.  He said that he is working on editing the second part but will be contacting those interviewed. 

I was interviewed in October for the documentary and he said I would be in the first programme. 
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Robbo on Jan 31, 2018, 06:13 PM
Look forward to watching the programme
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: cunardqueen on Jan 31, 2018, 09:51 PM
Im sure we will all be watching and no matter what form it takes , lets hope it shows QE2 in good light..

There was a lot to be said for Alan Whicker and his Fast Boat to China...
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Roy Warrender on Feb 01, 2018, 09:58 AM
Hi June
You may be Able to access channel 5 Catch up on your Computer


https://www.my5.tv/channels/five
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: June Ingram on Feb 01, 2018, 02:15 PM
Thanks, Roy !!   :)
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 01, 2018, 08:46 PM
Thanks, Roy !!   :)

If not you can try a VPN to spoof your location to be in the UK as these catch up services (for example) are often region or country locked.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: kevinh on Feb 01, 2018, 08:54 PM
I have Fios back at my place. Any idea on how I can access this?
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 01, 2018, 08:56 PM
I have Fios back at my place. Any idea on how I can access this?

You could try a VPN (when the programme is available on the Channel 5 catch-up service next week) and set your location to the UK and it might work. There are several free VPNs out there for different devices.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 02, 2018, 03:36 PM
A Channel 5 assistant sent this "TX Card" for the programme. 

(https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/gallery/albums/userpics/10596/normal_QE2_Ep1_TX_Card.jpg)
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: kevinh on Feb 02, 2018, 03:53 PM
A Channel 5 assistant sent this "TX Card" for the programme. 

(https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/gallery/albums/userpics/10596/normal_QE2_Ep1_TX_Card.jpg)

Wonderful: looking forward to when it gets here! You bet I'll be watching. ;)
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 02, 2018, 04:17 PM
Wonderful: looking forward to when it gets here! You bet I'll be watching. ;)

Kevin, it seemed like a good idea at the time to take part in the filming.  QE2 has been very much part of my life, as I lived in Clydebank at the time the ship was being built and I later sailed on her many times.  But the thought of seeing myself on TV and how the producer can be very selective over what is in the programme scares me a bit.  As long as the programme does QE2 credit that is all that matters. 

Other QE2 Story members were also filmed, Cunarder Man, George C Griffiths, QE2 Whistle (Alan and Shona) SusieD to name a few, plus there was filming done at the conference so I am hoping some of that footage is included. 
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: kevinh on Feb 02, 2018, 07:35 PM
Kevin, it seemed like a good idea at the time to take part in the filming.  QE2 has been very much part of my life, as I lived in Clydebank at the time the ship was being built and I later sailed on her many times.  But the thought of seeing myself on TV and how the producer can be very selective over what is in the programme scares me a bit.  As long as the programme does QE2 credit that is all that matters. 

Other QE2 Story members were also filmed, Cunarder Man, George C Griffiths, QE2 Whistle (Alan and Shona) SusieD to name a few, plus there was filming done at the conference so I am hoping some of that footage is included.

Don't worry: I'm sure you'll be fine (much more fine compared to me in my math quiz anyway...).
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Feb 02, 2018, 09:45 PM
But the thought of seeing myself on TV

Don't be scared... I've been on TV at least three times* myself, plus I'm in an online video about recycling which is on our local council's website and take it from me: you'll be fine.



*Four times if I'm in the background in any of the pictures on the documentary next week!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 02, 2018, 09:54 PM
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   But the thought of seeing myself on TV and how the producer can be very selective over what is in the programme scares me a bit.  As long as the programme does QE2 credit that is all that matters.     
Oh dont be scared , as you say as long as QE2 comes out of it ok.... and if she doesnt well,  can we blame you  ;) ;)

But l think we all agree it should be an interesting programme. It does make you wonder from what angle they will be looking at QE2 from..
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: kevinh on Feb 03, 2018, 03:53 AM
Don't be scared... I've been on TV at least three times* myself, plus I'm in an online video about recycling which is on our local council's website and take it from me: you'll be fine.



*Four times if I'm in the background in any of the pictures on the documentary next week!

I've also been on TV 3 times; first time when I was at a winter carnival. Second and third times at the Walk for Breast Cancer with my school. It was awesome.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 03, 2018, 10:41 AM
.......

But l think we all agree it should be an interesting programme. It does make you wonder from what angle they will be looking at QE2 from..

I think the first programme will be about the ship in Clydebank.  My connection to Clydebank is probably why I am in the first programme. I lived in Clydebank at the time the ship was being built.  My Dad worked in John Brown's - see John Brown's shipyard - in with the bricks topic  (https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,5769.msg58315.html#msg58315)  where I wrote his story.  I stood on the decks of QE2 days after she was launched and saw around the ship before she left Clydebank. 

Andy Robbins when interviewing me asked about the strikes and pilfering, at the time when the ship was being built, which I did not have any knowledge.  I was aware of strikes, but that was a sign of the times. On the pilfering I have always stated that I disagree that it was the ordinary worker who was doing this and agree with Hugh Morrison, who on another topic said that this was organised crime. It will be interesting to see how the programme producers handle this topic.  I told them they should speak to Hugh Morrison plus Ian Johnston, shipyard author and historian, who very clearly stated in his book that the increase in pilfering near the end of the completion of the ship was down to contract workers being used and lack of security etc.  but that is another story.

I am looking forward to seeing the programme.  There was many people interviewed as a result of Channel 5 getting contact details from The QE2 Story, so they would have had a wealth of material to work with to generate an interesting QE2 programme. 
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 03, 2018, 12:22 PM
Once I manage to psyche myself up to watch it, I'm expecting to be annoyed at bits of it, and to enjoy bits of it, but to overall be glad it was made.  I do think they'll leave some of the conference filming in - they spent 2 days in Glasgow to do it after all - but I do hope they cut-out the only brief interview they asked me for, on board the boat trip where I had to speak out of sequence (in future tense for something that had just happened) - it was all very odd!

Fingers are crossed!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 06, 2018, 10:46 AM
Today's the day!

Not every day that a QE2 programme goes live on a main terrestrial channel, that our members have helped with, and that filmed at our conference!

Everyone excited?
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 06, 2018, 10:54 AM
Today's the day!

Not every day that a QE2 programme goes live on a main terrestrial channel, that our members have helped with, and that filmed at our conference!

Everyone excited?

Mega excited. I am looking forward to seeing QE2 Story people and our connections that were interviewed.   I hope the programme does QE2 justice.

I am resigned to the fact that the producers have went along the line of the strikes and pilfering at the time the ship was built, which is unfortunate, as without researching the finer details a documentary could not cover this aspect of the industrial unrest in the 1960's.

 But the Clydebank shipyard built a magnificent liner and that cannot be denied.   
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 06, 2018, 11:17 AM
Well, let us have some impressions after you have watched, please :) .
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Chris Frame on Feb 06, 2018, 11:47 AM
I hope everyone likes it. Hopefully they do her justice.

I was filmed at Sea City having just stepped off Queen Elizabeth from The QE2 50th Anniversary Celebration voyage. We were late off the ship, took a taxi to the museum and ran in the rain to get there on time! 

But I must say the director was very well informed about QE2. I was very impressed that they actually knew her story and they went to the trouble to interview people instrumental in her design and operation so that’s very promising.


Here she is in all her glory:
(http://[size=9px][url=https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8632/16622964341_b0cd583694_z.jpg]https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8632/16622964341_b0cd583694_z.jpg[/url][/size])

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8632/16622964341_b0cd583694_z.jpg)


*Photo taken by myself or Rachelle in Sydney during her world cruise.*

Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 06, 2018, 12:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Frame
But I must say the director was very well informed about QE2. I was very impressed that they actually knew her story and they went to the trouble to interview people instrumental in her design and operation so that’s very promising.

He'd learned the story at the conference and boat trip! Lol.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 06, 2018, 01:34 PM
I have found a livestream (not very legal  ;) and if you can get past the significant audio distortion) of Channel Five that might allow members overseas watch the QE2 program at 8pm GMT/UTC tonight:

http://www.tvguide.co.uk/tv-stream/?ch=channel+5&s=1
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Chris Frame on Feb 06, 2018, 02:04 PM
He'd learned the story at the conference and boat trip! Lol.


Well done team!!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: pete cain on Feb 06, 2018, 03:49 PM
 Lynda, Rob.     It'll be alright on the night,  it will also be interesting to see if any body watching gets interested enough to join us here.
    It is Channel 5 so 1/2 the programme will be ad breaks, cannot wait , hope they do her proud!!!!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 06, 2018, 04:12 PM
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  It is Channel 5 so 1/2 the programme will be ad breaks, cannot wait , hope they do her proud!!!!   

Pete Its Channel 5 ! No one but no one could do a bigger hatchet job on QE2 than her present owners. (prove me wrong thats all l ask) I gather  the Public relations team had their first meeting...in an old GPO Phone box...
I also hope that C5  do QE2 proud. Its sounds as though they know what they are talking about. which is a lot more than ...oh you get my drift lm sure.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Pete Hamill on Feb 06, 2018, 04:54 PM
Unfortunately, I won't see the program live as I'll be at work, but I am looking forward to catching up with the recording tomorrow.
I'm keeping a completely open mind - and looking forward to the ensuing discussion on the forum!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 06, 2018, 07:11 PM
The synopsis that is on everyone's TV Guides across the UK, doesn't bode well.

If I had to write a 2 sentence summary of QE2's entry into service, strikes and looting wouldn't have featured. 

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Two-part documentary about one of the grandest vessels to ever set sail - the Queen Elizabeth 2. Built at the John Brown shipyard on the Clydebank, she very nearly didn't come into existence at all as strikes and looting blighted her creation. Then on her naming day, Her Majesty the Queen had a surprise for everyone.
Read more at https://www.freeview.co.uk/tv-guide#wYSYThzogDBp6lTc.99
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: pete cain on Feb 06, 2018, 07:34 PM
 Do you (we the forum) have a right to reply to the programme ?
 I mean this goverment we have at the moment always reply to a bad statement.
 The Beeb have a programme on at the weekend Newswatch  wher wrongs can be put right, The Guardian  publish corrections, you get my drift?
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Robbo on Feb 06, 2018, 08:49 PM
It's all very interesting
I think the picture between ads should state "The Worlds Greatest Liner" and not "The Worlds Greatest Cruise Ship"
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Bob van Leeuwen on Feb 06, 2018, 08:58 PM
I do hope to watch it some day, I would love to hear the stories of some whom I have met at the conference, but also maybe seeing video's of the conference again. :)

Sadly all program's broadcasted outside The Netherlands is not something that I can watch due to it all being blocked from the originating country. Really glad to be in the UK again this June for holiday :)
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: pete cain on Feb 06, 2018, 09:04 PM
I like it, she'll come through the bad bits intact  she did after all come through the bad bits didn't she...
 
 some lovely film of the launch from on board never seen that before, also some lovely stills
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 06, 2018, 09:10 PM
I'm very unhappy about the comments about the Clydebank workers, which I firmly believe to be hugely exaggerated by Cunard staff over the years.

Apart from that it's good so far, with many of our friends featured.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: pete cain on Feb 06, 2018, 09:14 PM
 You are absolutely correct Rob, however it's the same old well aired crap re cycled for a new audience, it'll be forgotten by tomorrows breakfast  .  That QE2 thing however   whatever it is will always prevail
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 06, 2018, 09:29 PM
I liked the archived footage of the ship and overall the documentary was okay, but could have been better with more QE2 enthusiasts and less Cunard people. 

Some of the statements being made were not backed up any evidence. 

Cunard PR Man mentioned that at the time the ship was being built in Clydebank there was a list of QE2 items that could be purchased. I lived in Clydebank and not aware of this - does he have a copy to evidence his statement? Maybe ask the Clydebank Post to ask their readers about this statement.

Lynn Waring mentioned about a carpet being unrolled and there was a hole the size of typical Glasgow tenements room.  I have heard this tale before and always take it with a pinch of salt!

The launch was rescheduled 3 times? I think it may have been the delivery rather than the launch that was rescheduled 3 times. Cunard and John Brown's agreed on a September 1967 launch date in 1966 (as mentioned in Michael Gallagher's book).  The launch date would fit in with river tidal levels and the Queen holiday in Balmoral in Scotland. 

Good to see Ronnie Keir, his input was good as was Alan and Shona and Susan and James at the Titan Crane.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 06, 2018, 09:38 PM
I guess only Cunard could Book The Queen   :)
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Feb 06, 2018, 10:05 PM
The launch was later than planned but they knew it would be late by May 1966 and you don’t book then rebook The Queen. It was announced in January 1967 that she would launch the ship in September that year and that she did.

The Red Arrows did not fly over her at launch - it was the 736 Squadron as 736 was her yard number.

She was not launched with champagne - that was not the Cunard way.

The programme said some very nice things about her and that’s what matters!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 07, 2018, 06:26 PM
I think there is a degree of sensationalism in this documentary which is understandable (to make more people interested in QE2 - as we saw here on the forum last night for example) and maybe a necessary evil? People can learn the exact truth later on if they're truly interested. Also, when have the media not tried to be sensationalist?
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: pete cain on Feb 07, 2018, 07:35 PM
There is a download available on Youtube, already, but it seems to be a free sign up membership (& all that it may entail), also doesn't look good , showing the Queen Elizabeth (current) cruise ship as the header.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 07, 2018, 07:38 PM
There is a download available on Youtube, already, but it seems to be a free sign up membership (& all that it may entail), also doesn't look good , showing the Queen Elizabeth (current) cruise ship as the header.

I would not recommend signing up to third party websites through YouTube videos for security reasons, the videos that link you to third party websites to then view the supposed video are seedy at best.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 07, 2018, 11:19 PM
Just had a friend (Vinny on the forum) from outside the UK successfully be able to watch on Channel Five's catch-up service :

https://www.my5.tv/the-qe2/season-1/episode-1

Should therefore work for members overseas in at least the USA.

Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: kevinh on Feb 08, 2018, 02:28 AM
It's all very interesting
I think the picture between ads should state "The Worlds Greatest Liner" and not "The Worlds Greatest Cruise Ship"

YES!!! That's exactly what I was thinking. These people need to get their facts straight: I don't care if liners and cruisers serve the same basic purpose. There's a BIG difference between them.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Pete Hamill on Feb 08, 2018, 10:37 AM
I enjoyed the program - especially seeing so many people I "know" taking part. I tend not to pay too much attention to some of the details in a documentary, especially if I know the real story behind some of it.
The footage from the ship at the launch was brilliant.

I was a bit disappointed to see they mis-spelt Professor Bruce Peter as "Peters". That is the lack of attention to detail that really annoys me.

The rest of the urban myths I take with a pinch of salt. After all, if you are going to cut out a piece of carpet, you wouldn't already have the dimensions including the fireplace cut out, would you?  :P
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Feb 08, 2018, 09:33 PM
That's true - and you'd cut a length off the end where it wouldn't be noticed, not put a whacking great hole in the middle which would advertise to all and sundry what you'd done.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Willum on Feb 08, 2018, 11:08 PM
The narrator kept saying COO-nard not Q-nard that was more than annoying.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 09, 2018, 07:21 AM
The narrator kept saying COO-nard not Q-nard that was more than annoying.

Likewise I found it annoying!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Andy Holloway on Feb 09, 2018, 09:59 AM
I think there is a degree of sensationalism in this documentary which is understandable (to make more people interested in QE2 - as we saw here on the forum last night for example) and maybe a necessary evil? People can learn the exact truth later on if they're truly interested. Also, when have the media not tried to be sensationalist?

What a load of total rubbish.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: pete cain on Feb 09, 2018, 11:16 AM
 Not a mention of alledged pilfering, by the folk I've spoken to, they are more interested in the delicate problem of her name, 'well I didn't know that' is a common phrase.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Andy Holloway on Feb 09, 2018, 12:53 PM
Pilfering is a common problem worldwide in and around dockyards, i can't remember the number of times we found items 'walking' off the ship, mysteriously hiding in a dockie's tool bag or, cunningly concealed in rubbish bags etc.

Be it France, Bremmerhaven, Singapore, Malta or, as in this case, Glasgow no shipyard is 'lily white' when it comes to pilfering.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 09, 2018, 01:59 PM
What a load of total rubbish.

In what sense?
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Andy Holloway on Feb 09, 2018, 02:18 PM
In what sense?
In the sense of what was 'Sensationalised'?

It was facts and not sensational headlines that were included in the programme.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 09, 2018, 02:43 PM
In the sense of what was 'Sensationalised'?

It was facts and not sensational headlines that were included in the programme.

The extent of the pilfering (I’m not denying it happened however), the story of the middle of that particular carpet being cut out that other members of this forum have said was unlikely for example. A documentary like this relishes “sensational” information such as this - much like a lot of the media. What’s more it depends on the source of said information and whether that source was/is biased or not (which I suspect was/is given the yard’s and Cunard’s working relationship at the time). I stated in my original post on the matter that it could serve to increase interest in the ship and encourage people to learn more and (perhaps) separate fact from myth. However this is my opinion and we all differ!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 09, 2018, 10:22 PM
I know of several pasengers from the UK  on QE2 who always called it Coo nard , all are or were very regular travellers.     


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  Pilfering is a common problem worldwide in and around dockyards, i can't remember the number of times we found items 'walking' off the ship, mysteriously hiding in a dockie's tool bag or, cunningly concealed in rubbish bags etc.   

What about the passengers, need we say any more than the Farewell Transatlantic crossings on QE2...and who lets face it hasnt removed a cup or something that perhaps should have stayed on the ship..
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Andy Holloway on Feb 09, 2018, 11:06 PM
The extent of the pilfering (I’m not denying it happened however), the story of the middle of that particular carpet being cut out that other members of this forum have said was unlikely for example. A documentary like this relishes “sensational” information such as this - much like a lot of the media. What’s more it depends on the source of said information and whether that source was/is biased or not (which I suspect was/is given the yard’s and Cunard’s working relationship at the time). I stated in my original post on the matter that it could serve to increase interest in the ship and encourage people to learn more and (perhaps) separate fact from myth. However this is my opinion and we all differ!

If you don't mind i think that i'd prefer to believe Eric Flounders & Lynn Waring with their versions of events as opposed to your 'assumption', they are speaking from many years of experience and knowledge, which could be sadly lacking in your case.
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Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 09, 2018, 11:14 PM
If you don't mind i think that i'd prefer to believe Eric Flounders & Lynn Waring with their versions of events as opposed to your 'assumption', they are speaking from many years of experience and knowledge, which could be sadly lacking in your case.

They're not. They weren't there in the late 60s in Clydebank either.  Cunard's staff knew nothing of what went on.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: dellboy on Feb 11, 2018, 05:33 PM
The first episode didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. I don't think the second episode titled "Cruise ship, warship" will be any different, with probably no detailed info on Dubai.       
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 12, 2018, 01:44 PM
Episode 2 features Professor David Humphreys (one of our conference speakers ) and colleagues who had sailed to the Falklands with QE2. I believe there will be previously unseen footage aboard the QE2 from when she was sailing to the South Atlantic,  with the three crew speaking about their experience.   Should be interesting.   Forum member George Griffiths will also be featured in tomorrow's programme. 
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 13, 2018, 08:38 PM
I'm not watching the programme just now, but I can tell whats being shown by what people are looking at on the "who's online" !
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Robbo on Feb 13, 2018, 09:17 PM
There was hardly any footage of the conference.
The film crew were there for the two days and took lots of footage but nothing was shown. In fact I don't think they even mentioned the conference
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 13, 2018, 09:38 PM
There was hardly any footage of the conference.
The film crew were there for the two days and took lots of footage but nothing was shown. In fact I don't think they even mentioned the conference

No mention of the conference, no footage that I saw, and no credit either even though they met many of the people in the programme at the conference.

It was a very, very badly edited programme - it bounced about all over the place with some repetition too. I feel dizzy!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: trevorc on Feb 13, 2018, 09:41 PM
How disappointing.
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Post by: June Ingram on Feb 13, 2018, 09:42 PM
Very disappointing indeed !
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 13, 2018, 10:04 PM
I thought there was some good film footage and I liked the section on the ship sailing to the Falklands with David Humphreys.

Disappointed that there was no footage, or reference to the QE2 conference celebrating 50 years since the launch, especially as Channel 5 got a lot of contacts to interview from the QE2 Story Event.  Did anyone notice if the QE2 Story was mentioned in the credits?

Also disappointing that at the end of the programme the commentator said there was no plans for the ship to open (or words to that affect).  The current position of what was happening to the ship should have been researched and the plans for Hotel QE2 opening in the Spring should have been reported.   

The Clydebank Post picked up on last week's programme with a heading "Storm over Channel 5 show's pilfering claims". The Editor had contacted me last week following the programme for a comment and I had stated what I had posted on this topic.  The local MP had also commented that it was disappointing that the programme had chosen to focus on unfounded pilfering claims. 
http://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/15991244.Storm_over_Channel_5_show___s_QE2_pilfering_claims/

On this week's programme the shipyard responsible for the disastrous refit at the time of the 1994 refit was not given the same harsh comments as the statements made about John Brown's shipyard.

Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Willum on Feb 13, 2018, 10:05 PM
Looks like the narrator had been corrected regarding correct pronunciation of Q-nard in episode 2. However, the classic this week was the clip of Lord Matthews, Victor Matthews chairman, whose caption was 'Victor Blank' an editor had presumably put in 'blank' in anticipation of correcting it later! How very amateur. - Phil Blank, sorry, Willum.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Feb 13, 2018, 10:25 PM
Have just finished watching. I found the several glaring inaccuracies annoying (for example saying QM2 is faster). As I said the other day, I think the documentary is good for making more people interested in QE2 or re-igniting their interest (hopefully) so that they then learn true facts and more about her elsewhere such as on this forum. A very "tip of the iceberg" program.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Feb 13, 2018, 11:28 PM
I spotted the "Victor Blank" blunder; what some younger members might not realise though is there actually is a businessman of that name - except he ran a bank, not a shipping line.

As to the conference - I agree, it is a huge disappointment that the entire footage has ended up in the digital equivalent of the cutting room floor.  There was an opportunity there for Channel 5 to show that the QE2 remains very popular even in her retirement - that would have served to underline the thrust of the documentary about her importance to the public as a whole.

Certainly the subtitles never mentioned the website or forum.

Editing jumping about all over the place... agreed; not good.  Would be justifiable if they were talking about each aspect from start to finish in turn, but not in the random way they did it.  The whole thing, while full of excellent archive footage, did give the impression of having been edited in a hurry with little attempt to "proofread" it; had they done so that error about QM2's speed would have been spotted and corrected.

Watchable?  Yes.  But as a headmaster would say: "Could do better!"
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 13, 2018, 11:35 PM
Our "hits" from people investigating the program were less than half of what they were for the first part of the programme last week.

I think that's feedback from the general public about what they thought of the program... I'd expected to get roughly the same again this week.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Feb 13, 2018, 11:47 PM
Half as many visitors, but 650 is still a lot more than usual - however wouldn't many of the viewers tonight have seen part one last week and visited the site from that, so tonight's 650 may be extra people on top?

The page view statistics look around the same number as last week?

Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: trevorc on Feb 14, 2018, 12:44 AM
While I did not see it, I find it annoying that they don't get basic details right. Considering that those who were at the QE2 50 Conf. and were interviewed, you would expect footage from the Conference. Such shame.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: June Ingram on Feb 14, 2018, 03:38 AM
It is very disappointing because there was a great deal of communication going on between the producers of the program and many Forum members, especially those of us connected with the PR work regarding the conference. They were supplied with abundant factual material about QE2 and were for awhile in contact several times a day to arrange interviews with a number of persons with various QE2 connections. It is disheartening but not surprising the media in general can't seem to get it right.  Channel 5 were certainly supplied with more than sufficient material to get it right.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Feb 14, 2018, 08:54 AM
I watched both parts back to back last night - whilst I am also disappointed with the inaccuracies and also the fact that there was no mention of the 50th Anniversary etc I still enjoyed the overall programme.

I wish they had included more content on the propulsion system replacement but I was happy to see some footage of her original turbines and ECR.

Its been nearly 10yrs since she arrived in Dubai so I think it was a very appropriate time to bring her back into the public focus with this programme.

Ch5 were always going to focus on what they wanted - effectively only hearing what they wanted to hear. I guess that's the media for you!

The footage of the ship was excellent - she is just such a beautiful looking ship and I also very much enjoyed seeing some weel kent faces (You know who you are) :)

I also thought Capt Bates and Dr Payne were excellent.

I didn't know they had interviewed Ronnie Kier down at Ferguson Marine - I thought that was a nice touch and a bit of focus (albeit brief) on the fact that commercial shipbuilding still exists on the Clyde.

All in all? I'm glad they did it and I went to sleep last night a wee bit sad because "shes not doin it anymore" but also with the thought (and as I said in my closing remarks at the conference) that WE DID THAT - Great Britain ruled the waves through QE2 - nobody can take that away from us - of that I will always be very very proud.

So theres only one way to end this post.......

Clydebuilt and proud  ;)

Cheers

Gav
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: dellboy on Feb 14, 2018, 10:05 AM
 Wishful thinking,  they did say season 1 episode 2 so perhaps they're planning to show a second season if and when the flotel opens.

It's normal for TV crews to spend days at a location and only show minutes of filming. When a crew came to my place of work they interrupted everything and interviewed dozens of employees. We were all excited about getting our 15 sec of fame we were lucky if they showed 15sec in total. Makes me wonder how much filming they do for a one-hour episode.       
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Andy Holloway on Feb 14, 2018, 10:55 AM
Cramming 50 years of history into 2 x 45/50 minute programmes - 1 hour programme including adverts - is a very difficult task, it's not what to include but what to leave out.
This means that you have only 2 minutes to cover each year in QE2's life, impossible, especially when you need to spend at least 2 or 3 minutes just on her participation in the Falklands campaign, and almost 5 minutes on the bomb threat.

Personally i'm not surprised that they left out the footage they shot at Clydebank, yes it was important to us who know and love QE2, but to your average punter watching the programme, it would just be a load of weirdos living in the past!

Having spent nearly 20 year at sea, 16 with Cunard and 5 on QE2, i enjoyed the programme, and thought that the contributions from people truly involved with QE2, Capt McN, Maureen Ryan, Ronnie, Terry Kearney, Eric Flounders, even Johnny 'Two Jags' Prescott spoke well, was good.
Every TV programme makes mistakes, i'm sure the producer is screaming at whoever made the ones in this programme even as we type our comments, that's the nature of human fallibility.

Out of 10 i would give it 8, and has been said, 'must do better'. As we used to have inspections onboard called 'ATD', 'Attention To Detail', i would advise the production company to follow suite and employ Michael Gallagher as a consultant, you couldn't do better.
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Post by: Willum on Feb 14, 2018, 11:23 AM
Well said Andy, by the way a lot of the clips in the two films came from the Pond5 clip archive. If you go there and enter QE2 as a search there's lots of nostalgia.

https://www.pond5.com/stock-video-footage/1/qe2.html

Willum R/O

Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Feb 14, 2018, 11:25 AM
Having dealt with dozens of film crews over the years I am a bit battle weary with them... it used to be a source of irritation to spend hours setting up a particular shot or arranging an interview - and disrupting the shipboard routine (as Andy will confirm) - only for it to not appear in the final programme. And then having to try and explain and placate those who went out of the way to make something happen only for it not to appear. But in the end it was not worth getting irritated as every Producer / Director had the final say in what was essentially their programme.

Film crews are a pain in the backside but I would volunteer to escort them as it would mean a chance to sail on the ships and those opportunities should never be turned down - even though many nights I'd go to bed mid-cruise wishing I was back home.

Overall the programme said some great things and made some great claims for QE2 and to those not as familiar with the ship as us it established and underlined her legacy. If I was running Cunard or Carnival I would be worried that nothing afloat today is going to achieve the sort of mythical status - whether deserved or not. QM2 is a great ship but she is not in people's hearts like QE2 is and there are all sorts of reasons for that - different times, French construction etc. Quite frankly she needs a Falklands...

As Andy says there is simply to much to put into the time they had.

The series continues with two episodes on Concorde and two on the Orient Express.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Feb 14, 2018, 11:39 AM


The series continues with two episodes on Concorde and two on the Orient Express.

Looking fwd to the Concorde one - another amazing feat!

Gav
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 14, 2018, 11:57 AM

Personally i'm not surprised that they left out the footage they shot at Clydebank, yes it was important to us who know and love QE2, but to your average punter watching the programme, it would just be a load of weirdos living in the past!


I'm not surprised either, but given the amount of disruption they caused at our events, and the amount of effort put in to helping them across many weeks, to have nothing to show at all is a bit rubbIsh. I know that they spent up to 6 hours filming participants who then had 30 seconds of screen time...

We aren't a business, but they treated us like one I think.

I expected a 20 second mention of how she still has many fans across the world, with a tiny shot of crowds at the conference, that's all. 20 seconds in 90 minutes of tv.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 14, 2018, 12:37 PM
Storm over Channel 5 show’s QE2 pilfering claims

http://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/15991244.Storm_over_Channel_5_show___s_QE2_pilfering_claims/
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: CasinoChris on Feb 14, 2018, 01:07 PM
Several of the QE2 books that I've read referred to the pilfering.
Apparently when Captain Bill Warwick arrived to take command he was quoted as saying
"They're stealing an ocean liner one piece at a time!"
Have seen several mentions of vandalism etc, they were slowing the job down as it was their
last one.........
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 14, 2018, 02:12 PM
I'd be very interested to read source material, from no later than 1970, that describes it.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 14, 2018, 03:13 PM

I'd be very interested to read source material, from no later than 1970, that describes it.
I was thinking the same. I had a look at the Potter and Frost book, QE2 the authorised story this morning and could not see any reference to pilfering.

It is likely that pilfering went on at the yard, but it is the scale that I have doubt about and the story that someone unrolled a heavy roll of carper and had a template of a room to cut to size an exact fit of carpet, which is what I do not accept. 

Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Andy Holloway on Feb 14, 2018, 03:41 PM
I was thinking the same. I had a look at the Potter and Frost book, QE2 the authorised story this morning and could not see any reference to pilfering.

It is likely that pilfering went on at the yard, but it is the scale that I have doubt about and the story that someone unrolled a heavy roll of carper and had a template of a room to cut to size an exact fit of carpet, which is what I do not accept.

Lynda believe me ANY THING is possible, the more bizarre the more believable it becomes.

Near where i used to work was an old garage with petrol pumps etc plus a quite large drive through car wash. One day two men turned up at 0700 with a flat bed lorry complete with HIAB crane and started dismantling it. They stopped for breakfast and went to a cafe opposite, got chatting to the owner, went back to work, back across for mid morning break and then again for lunch. Finally around 1500 they stuck their heads in the cafe to say good bye and thanks for everything.
The next morning the police were all over the forecourt as these two men had stolen the car wash, blatant and without any fear of being stopped!
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Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 14, 2018, 04:00 PM
Lynda believe me ANY THING is possible, the more bizarre the more believable it becomes.

Near where i used to work was an old garage with petrol pumps etc plus a quite large drive through car wash. One day two men turned up at 0700 with a flat bed lorry complete with HIAB crane and started dismantling it. They stopped for breakfast and went to a cafe opposite, got chatting to the owner, went back to work, back across for mid morning break and then again for lunch. Finally around 1500 they stuck their heads in the cafe to say good bye and thanks for everything.
The next morning the police were all over the forecourt as these two men had stolen the car wash, blatant and without any fear of being stopped!


Andy, that made me laugh - I can just imagine the theft happening under the eyes of those around.  Yeah I suppose anything is possible. 
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Feb 14, 2018, 04:28 PM
In August 1967 Bob Arnott, later to become QE2’s longest-serving Captain, was appointed Chief Officer, and his initial duties before the ship came into service were to oversee aspects of construction on Cunard’s behalf. He soon became aware of the practice of ‘squirrelling’, which was explained to him as just being a lucrative perk but, rather like some of the strikes, a means of keeping a good job going longer. That was not how he saw it, though, preferring as he did the epithet “larceny on a grand scale”.

I used to love to speak to him about his time at the yard and he was very entertaining when recalling stories of what he experienced personally when it came to ‘Squirrelling’.

No doubt QE2 was not the first ship to suffer from the practice, but it was so prevalent that Arnott later recalled that: “Some of the yard workers were stealing the ship faster than the others could build it!”

There was a thriving trade around Glasgow of materials removed from the ship, a trade that was so organised that items even had a fixed retail price including delivery. Paint was £1 a gallon, light fittings (including shades) from the cabins just 5 shillings (25 pence) and Formica sold at 10 shillings (50 pence) for 2.4 metres by 1.2 metres (8 foot by 4 foot) sections.

When rolls or carpet for the public rooms were laid out, they were found to have front room-shaped sections, complete with window bay, but out of them as if by a giant pastry-cutter. The main reception area, the Midships Lobby, had been fitted with a carpet that was in place at the end of the shift but a large square of it disappeared by the next morning. There were certainly some cosy and expensively carpeted living rooms in Clydebank that winter. One dismayed Cunard manager advised a steward “We won’t come here again.”

By way of example, Arnott cited one electrician whose home was raided  by the police, who was found to have removed from the ship 27 metres (30 yards) of carpet, two chests-of-drawers, a wall cabinet, three bookcases, three lounge stools, 55 metres (180 feet) of fiberglass, five lamps, 36 litres (8 gallons) of paint, plus crockery and soft furnishings. In mitigation the man’s solicitor implied such activity was the norm: “My client just walked off the ship with the stuff”.

It was regular practice for workers to walk out of the yard concealing items beneath their clothes – items ranging from copper piping to towels. Ironically, Bob Arnott noted, most of the stolen material had to be carried past the police station adjacent to the dock gates, but the prevailing attitude of the police was that although an ocean liner was being stolen piece by piece in from of them, there was little they could do about it.

And then there was wilful damage where petrol or paint would be found thrown over newly-laid carpets or cabins would flood thanks to piping that had been cut. The first Queen Elizabeth suffered hugely from this after she left Greenock after her major 1965 refit. QE2 suffered from this.

The point is such pilfering and damage would occur in any yard. If QE2 had been built on the Tyne or in Belfast the same would have happened. It happened countless times during Southampton refits.

A minority of people caused a major problem and the only reason Clyde shipyard workers are being highlighted is because the ship was built on the Clyde.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 14, 2018, 05:15 PM
 Forum member, Hugh Morrison, posted when the Channel 5 Producer first brought up the topic of pilfering and made a good response on the forum, which brings it into context.   

I was extremely sad to see that the only specific topic which you saw fit to suggest in the media coverage, with reference to the building of the vessel, was squirreling.
Of course there was pilfering of materials, but this was hardly specific to only the QE2. Pilfering took/takes place at all shipyards, building sites and works, not to mention distilleries. I do feel that the real amount of materials stolen is greatly exaggerated. 
Why do you feel it is necessary to make it a specific point for discussion for only the QE2?
I am sure that there is also pilfering takes place on cruise ships, both by the crew  and by souvenir searching passengers. If you really feel that it is a point for discussion it should be extended to crew and passengers.
The real problem is that in throwing such unsubstantiated mud around leads to a reputation which affects all concerned, most of whom, including myself, had no involvement in pilfering.
Media coverage of the conference would be a very good thing.
With respect to the building of the QE2, I feel that the vast majority of the correspondence on the media website reflects that most people involved have little or no knowledge or understanding of the huge amount of detail design and skilled construction which was performed by the shipyard in transforming the largely artistic external and interior design into a reality which has lasted so many years. The many aspects of construction seem to be largely forgotten such as the structural design of the hull - with much of the hull shaping work being performed using machinery which was over 60 years old. The design and installation of the systems which make the vessel comfortable and safe, such as the piping and sewage systems, electrical and lighting, ventilation and fire prevention and fire-fighting systems: these are only a few of the elements, mostly unseen, which made the ship what it was. Some may say that such systems are not really so special and are contained in most land based buildings. However the design of such systems becomes very much more complex if they have to work on board a vessel that is constantly moving, sometimes to fairly extreme degrees.
I feel that much more of the design and build aspects should be part of the conference to reflect what the title implies. Unfortunately there are relatively few of us left, both from the original Cunard and the shipyard teams, who were actually around at the time to relate now the stories of how things really were. Even if such aspects are minimal in the conference proceedings we should try and cover it them to some extent, in as positive manner as possible, in any media coverage.
I would therefore discourage any if not all references to squirreling in any media coverage and stick to celebrating the vessel itself.   


https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,7776.msg87749.html#msg87749
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: dellboy on Feb 14, 2018, 06:41 PM
I wonder how much if at all, in percentage terms the cost of squirreling was/is factored into the cost of a ship or as part of general wastage. 
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Post by: trevorc on Feb 14, 2018, 10:38 PM
What I find highly unbelievable is the fact that it was stated that someone cut out a hole in the Double Room Carpet for a small cottage. If this is true..
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 14, 2018, 11:29 PM
Thank you to Michael, Lynda and Hugh for the in-depth information posted above.

With regards to the pilfering, I need to choose my words carefully here ... I was trying to understand my indignant feelings a bit more.  It comes from being a local native, I feel a bit of the "them and us" thing, that must have been felt by the workers at the time.  The "them" is all the Cunard people from England.  The "Us" is the hard working ordinary people of the West of Scotland, especially Clydebank.  It made me feel really uncomfortable watching English (and yes Australian) people telling me how awful "we" had all been.

Also, since starting this site, I've regularly been told "facts" that have come from Officers and Crew on board Cunard ships, that are just completely incorrect.  I've spent quite a lot of time trying to correct them, and it was a large part of the reason I went to Dubai in 2011.  This includes the Captain of the Queen Elizabeth who tells anyone who will listen that QE2 has been open to the public for ages... they take it as fact, because of who he is.  It then gets repeated by fact over and over.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Feb 15, 2018, 08:45 AM
Thanks for all the input on this subject however - if I may be so blunt - I think we need to get past it and get on with celebrating the ship, the engineering design, skill and workmanship that went into building the most famous ship on the planet.

Its part of her history whether we like it or not and I think we'd look a tad small minded to the outside world if we got too hung up on this.

This kind of media coverage did my head in when I was involved with Waverley until I realised that I couldn't change it - I could point things out but people chose what they wanted to hear and ignored the rest anyway.

The striking was also part and parcel of the Great Britain that was happening around the ship as she rose from her building ways in Clydebank. Unions had gotten too powerful, management too arrogant - no one was actually talking to each other anymore so industrial relations were probably at their lowest ebb (to be fair this didn't really change until the Work In at Fairfields led by Jimmy Reid in 1972 and when Jamie Webster revolutionised Worker - Management relations up at Govan in the 80s)
Add to that the lack of vision and investment in industry as a whole in Great Britain and the future was looking bleak.

Again part of the old girl's history.

Gav

Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Louis De Sousa on Feb 15, 2018, 09:13 AM
I have not seen it
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Feb 15, 2018, 10:24 AM
I agree with both Rob and Gavin's comments.  Although it is advisable to put this aside and get on with celebrating QE2, which is what we are about, it is also good to have our opinion.  Following the first programme, I received a comment by email from someone living in Clydebank. 

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"What I noted was the stories/judgement of the delays came entirely from Cunard voices or a marine historian who appears to be Australian if I'm reading his website correctly. Regardless, no local voices. I'll see if any residents back up those stories, but I've never heard one myself"

I would have liked to have heard the views of people who worked in the shipyard and there was people who worked in the shipyard at the conference.

Summing up the Channel 5 programme.  There was positives, the film archive footage was fantastic, I enjoyed most of the interviews, but I did feel that too much time was given to Cunard people.  I would have liked to have heard more of what QE2 passengers, John and Rosemary and George had to say on Tuesday's programme.  These passengers have a story to tell that is not documented in books.  I would also have liked a reference to the conference, even if it had just been a mentioned that 220 people gathered in Clydebank to celebrate 50 years since the launch of the ship, with a fleeting glance at the delegates in the hall. 

There should have been credit given to The QE2 Story, but that is a lesson to be learned for the organisers of the conference, which included myself.  Given the input we had in providing contact details for people to be interviewed, the fact that the film crew were at the conference and the boat trip, we should have stipulated that the The QE2 Story should have been on the credits and we should also have asked for a donation to the forum, which is helping to keep the memory of QE2 alive. 

The positive is that the documentary highlighted QE2. 
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Pete Hamill on Feb 16, 2018, 07:00 PM
Having just watched the recording of episode 2, forgetting what I know from the conference, the trip doon the watter and speaking to various forum members about filming, the documentary was pretty good and it was great to see QE2 alive again doing what she did best.

If I now think about the two solid days that film crew spent at the conference and boat trip, I can't help but think these guys just had two free days out on the QE2 Story Forum. I think there was probably an accumulation of 45 seconds worth from the second day - and that was mainly the interview with the couple done with the crane in the background. The other shot was about 3 or 4 seconds over the stern to the crane with the Cunard flag in shot. Nothing whatsoever from the conference and no mention of the QE2 Story either.

Speaking to George the other night at the exhibition, he said the crew were at his house for 6 hours. I made a point of timing his clip - 10 seconds.
The other interviews, I assume, were a significant intrusion of time in folk's homes for relatively little footage.

I was really looking forward to the documentary as I was sure there was going to be lots of coverage of the Conference and hearing people's individual stories.

What a travesty!!!!

Anyone could  have put 75% of that program together simply by trawling through archives.

I wanted the personal touch. I wanted to see parts of the conference. I wanted to hear real people's stories so that people watching the program could see there were real, ordinary people involved with the great ship.

From that point of view, the documentary fell far short of expectations.

Rant over!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: pete cain on Feb 16, 2018, 08:01 PM
I've got to say, I repeat my original comment of 'I like it', but that does come with some  caveats.
  I Love the Launch images from on board (never seen before- -by me at least),  anything concerning QE2 has me a  weak at the knees, so, all those ariel shots (many out  of time  synch, but what ever) go down well  in the cain household,  because they show her at her best.

    So we have to ask ourselves here, was this a cheap production, as in pay the royalties for some nice pics, show the workers at their worst (they are always cannon fodder anyway), & be lazy in the follow up.
  What  this was  : an utterly  wasted opportunity to celebrate QE2 & ask a gathering of people who BY THE WAY will never be in the same place again to offer their views of QE2    'the enigma'.   As to what she (still) holds over the people on this side of the world who have encountered her & why.
  Maybe not cheap but in my opinion incredibly lazy.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 17, 2018, 02:11 AM
I think they panicked early on, because they couldn't film on board the actual subject in question hence the ridiculous number of unused hours of film shot, and people's time wasted.

Early on when they asked if they'd be able to film on board and I said no, I followed it up with "but that hasn't stopped lots of films being made about titanic.

It all just smacks of complete incompetence.

Are you sure the footage of the couple at the titan crane was shot at our event? To me it looked like it had been shot at some other time.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Pete Hamill on Feb 17, 2018, 09:12 AM
Rob, I must admit that I assumed it was shot at our event, although thinking back, the weather maybe didn't quite match!

That makes it even worse in that case - about 3 seconds from the two days!
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 24, 2018, 12:52 AM
Bruce Peter defends the maligned Clydebank workers

http://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/16044050.QE2_at_50__Exhibit_celebrates__quot_most_avant_garde_quot__design/
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 14, 2018, 02:31 PM
QE2. The World's Greatest Cruise Ship.
Channel 5 Tonight, at 8.00pm - 9.00pm
(20.00 - 20.55 hrs BST)
Having missed the programme(s) in February - it has been interesting to read the comments above.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: PaulInuk on Apr 15, 2018, 11:54 AM
You can watch qe2  documentary on channel5.com
Title: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 23, 2020, 03:32 PM
Hi everyone,

Here's a link to a new series of a QE2 documentary on Channel Five here in the UK, broadcasting at 10pm tonight. People outside of the UK may wish to use a VPN to watch the documentary on Channel Five's online catch up service called "My5" when it becomes available.

https://www.channel5.com/show/the-qe2-queen-of-the-seas/
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Ian Davies on Apr 24, 2020, 12:28 PM
I watched this documentary last night. It was a two parter run continuously for two hours with only advert breaks.

I learned a lot about the ship, it was very well researched, with excellent interviews and archival footage. I spotted only one factual error in the whole programme. When the ship was launched in 1967, it was Royal Navy Buccaneer jets that overflew the QE2 and not the Red Arrows.

I have only two criticisms -  1: The music was not needed at times
 
2. My major criticism of the programme  - about the narrator. She was out of place in this programme, full of very well spoken knowledgeable people. The narrator came over  to me as a complete nuisance and irritant. A Goby Rasping Crackling voice with an accent that was all over the place. Alternating from very posh, then common cockney, then a mix of the two - mockney.

The narration was so bad , distracting, and was spilling my enjoyment so much, I had to turn 'her' off and rely on the subtitles.

What a shame that the superb documentary that was so beautifully and expertly put together in every other conceivable way,  was ruined by this one thing.

The programme's narration needs to be re-recorded, with someone else more suited to the subject, and bring more ' gravitas. The false, fake voice attempt to be all things to all people was all over the place and not needed. Very patronising at times.


 
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Ian Davies on Apr 24, 2020, 12:39 PM
Here is the type of narrator the documentary should have had! This is Barbara Flynn who has narrated numerous documentaries. Here is a clip from one BBC series. 'When Britain Ruled the Skies'. about the VC-10

'Polished, refined and with a licence too thrill'   reflects the subject  matter and the narrator's style.

Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Ian Davies on Apr 24, 2020, 12:47 PM
A narrator is supposed to be beside you the this voyage, and not trying to take over and dominate it.
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Andy Holloway on Apr 24, 2020, 02:13 PM
Here is the type of narrator the documentary should have had! This is Barbara Flynn who has narrated numerous documentaries. Here is a clip from one BBC series. 'When Britain Ruled the Skies'. about the VC-10

'Polished, refined and with a licence too thrill'   reflects the subject  matter and the narrator's style.

Slightly off subject, apologies, but it does relate to the VC10, in the RAF version the seat configuration was such that you flew backwards, very odd! I don't know if the any of the civilian versions were the same, but i doubt.
In 1967, as a very young Royal Marine, i flew - backwards- in one operated by British United to Aden for my first overseas posting. Then again in 1987, the day after the Zeebrugge disaster 6th March, was when i next flew in a VC10, this time 'crab air' [RAF] to Hong Kong, en route to Brunei, and it was here we also flew backwards!

For a Cunard connection, there is a museum VC10 at IWM Duxford in Cambs, in what is now something historic, BOAC/Cunard livery.


Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Rod on Apr 24, 2020, 03:22 PM
I believe the flyover was done by 736 squadron Royal Navy.
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Apr 24, 2020, 04:04 PM
Turns out this isn't a new series but a re-run of last year's documentary on QE2.
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Olivia on Apr 24, 2020, 04:23 PM
Turns out this isn't a new series but a re-run of last year's documentary on QE2.

I only watched the first few minutes and was certain I had seen it before.
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 24, 2020, 05:07 PM
I only watched the first few minutes and was certain I had seen it before.

I figured that I have so many QE2 programmes and videos available to me, that the recent channel 5 documentary would be close to last on my list of ones I'd like to sit down and watch just now!

Bruce Peter's awesome 2007 one for BBC Scotland remains my absolute favourite - its sublime.
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Andy Holloway on Apr 24, 2020, 05:30 PM
I only watched the first few minutes and was certain I had seen it before.

I didn't even bother with that long!
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: cunardqueen on Apr 24, 2020, 10:25 PM
Quote
  Slightly off subject, apologies, but it does relate to the VC10, in the RAF version the seat configuration was such that you flew backwards, very odd! I don't know if the any of the civilian versions were the same,   

If you fly Club (Business) class on BA  in the window seats & the seat in the middle then your flying backwards.
It is an unusual sensation on Take off. But with the new design seats that are (slowly)being fitted that stops the flying backwards issue . The only niggle from a BA diehard fan is other than the corner seats in Business class , if your in a window seat, you do need to climb over the legs of the  passenger next to you if they have their flat bed reclined.  However these window seats do afford great privacy with the divider screen up . The photos might explain it better. 
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Vincent Scriven on Apr 30, 2020, 12:29 PM
Hallo all I have read your Comments and I think if some off you seen One of the Best Screenings of the Qe2 you would fallout of your Recliners
Try; Mr Alan Wicker programme on a World Cruise I had Pleasure in Speaking to him regarding the Programme
Some body may have it to post ENJOY
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 30, 2020, 02:27 PM
Hallo all I have read your Comments and I think if some off you seen One of the Best Screenings of the Qe2 you would fallout of your Recliners
Try; Mr Alan Wicker programme on a World Cruise I had Pleasure in Speaking to him regarding the Programme
Some body may have it to post ENJOY

Hi Vincent.  Good to see you.

We have many mentions of Alan Whicker's series in the forum, and two topics in particular :-

Whickers World - A Fast Boat to China (https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?topic=1782)

and

QE2 Videos taken by Alan Whicker from the BBC on board in 1984 (https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?topic=2390.0)

I was only 9 when it was broadcast, but because my Dad was involved in QE2 at the time, I still remember the excitement around it being on.
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: cunardqueen on May 02, 2020, 03:44 PM
Quote
  Try; Mr Alan Wicker programme on a World Cruise I had Pleasure in Speaking to him regarding the Programme
Some body may have it to post ENJOY

Its still one of the best ever.  l remember watching it as a young child totally amazed, never thinking l would ever step onboard.

Did you speak to him as part of your job on board QE2 or perhaps as part of the filming side of things ?
Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 02, 2020, 11:12 PM
If you fly Club (Business) class on BA  in the window seats & the seat in the middle then your flying backwards.
It is an unusual sensation on Take off. But with the new design seats that are (slowly)being fitted that stops the flying backwards issue . The only niggle from a BA diehard fan is other than the corner seats in Business class , if your in a window seat, you do need to climb over the legs of the  passenger next to you if they have their flat bed reclined.  However these window seats do afford great privacy with the divider screen up . The photos might explain it better.

This is one section flying backwards, I'm talking about ALL passengers flying facing backwards.
Title: Re: Channel 5 Documentary: QE2 -The World's greatest cruise ship
Post by: Bob C. on May 13, 2020, 01:29 PM
I just found this documentary on YouTube last night.  Very well presented with some stories, photos and video i had not seen before.  It was great to see Lynda Bradford and Tom in the documentary as well!

Here's the link if anyone is interested:

Title: Re: QE2 (new series) documentary on Channel Five (UK)
Post by: Vincent Scriven on May 14, 2020, 10:51 AM
I was talking to Mr Whicker at Gibraltar Airport some years later and I mentioned I had watched his programme on Qe2 and sailed on board her the World Cruise after the 84/85 WC, he laughed , said don't mention that Cruise?