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Title: The QE2's Funnel
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 08, 2009, 12:58 AM
QE2's funnel, last August, the night of the full lunar eclipse, in the middle of the Mediterranean, under the stars, with the North Star above.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/2813770991/

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/2813770991_8366c55dc4.jpg)
Title: The Funnel
Post by: hollihedge on Mar 08, 2009, 01:17 AM
Excellent photo - almost a painting!!
Title: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Mar 09, 2009, 03:35 PM
Probably the answer's somewhere and I've overlooked it but does anyone know what happened to her original white/black pencil thin funnel after the 80s refit? Were any of the components saved/reused or just cut up on site? Often wondered.
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Andrew Collier on Mar 09, 2009, 04:00 PM
Hi,

i read somewhere it was resued to make the new funnel with, it you look closely at the new funnel, you can see the forward part of the red part is the same shape as the old white parts, with a new section added at the rear, i believe the windscoop was also resued, just widened in the middle.

Also, if you look at the new funnel closely, you can see some slight distortion of the aluminium which I read dates back to a steam days fire which scored the funnel, this would back up the idea of the original being reused.

Am at work at the mo, so don't have references for this to hand, if no one else provides before hand, will look it up when I can from home.

Regards Andy
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Mar 09, 2009, 06:14 PM
Thanks Andy
That's great to hear-I also remember reading something about the fire distortion but had presumed it was post refit. I'm glad the old one was reused and not scrapped if thats the case. Early recycling!

Hi,

i read somewhere it was resued to make the new funnel with, it you look closely at the new funnel, you can see the forward part of the red part is the same shape as the old white parts, with a new section added at the rear, i believe the windscoop was also resued, just widened in the middle.

Also, if you look at the new funnel closely, you can see some slight distortion of the aluminium which I read dates back to a steam days fire which scored the funnel, this would back up the idea of the original being reused.

Am at work at the mo, so don't have references for this to hand, if no one else provides before hand, will look it up when I can from home.

Regards Andy
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 09, 2009, 06:21 PM
Its definitely her original funnel, adapted to its new shape.
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Bob C. on Mar 09, 2009, 08:32 PM
Rob,
    Can you expound?  The photo on your website of the 80's refurb that shows the old funnel sitting off to the side, you are saying that pieces/parts of that was used in the fabrication of the new funnel? I believe you but would like to get more details if you don't mind.

Thanks,
Bob
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Andy F on Mar 09, 2009, 09:38 PM
Certainly parts of her old funnel were incorporated into the replacement, hence the 'wrinkles', which was the result of an earlier fire affecting the original funnel.
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 09, 2009, 09:43 PM
I was there in 1987, just after they'd re-fitted the funnel!

Ron Warwick's Book:-

Quote
During re-engining in 1986, the funnel was removed and modified to accomodate part of the new propulsion equipment.  The exterior shape is slightly wider than the original design
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Mar 18, 2009, 11:41 PM
Out of interest I would like to see any comparison view photos/drawings/measurements of both original and modified versions including wind scoops if poss particularly from direct rear/front angles and side at funnel base deck level if possible if anyone can help please. Am also interested in what equipment necessitated the extra width and the fabrication evidence of how much of the original survived (any workers from the German refit here!) Also interested in more details of the date/cause/damage of the funnel fire. Am I funnel obsessive?-probably becoming so!
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Chris Frame on Mar 20, 2009, 11:25 AM
Kev,

Funnel fire occurred in 1976 - you can see an image of it on pp. 40 of David Hutchings wonderful book QE2: A Ship for All Seasons.

The new fatter funnel was largely due to the need to ventilate 9 diesel engines via 9 very large diesel exhaust pipes that ran up from the engine room and out of the new funnel. You can see these pipes in the below image that shows them before the funnel was added:

(http://www.lloydwerft.com/images/qe2_abgas.jpg)

At any rate, it's addition is largely agreed to have vastly improved QE2's profile - it remains one of the most spectacular maritime features ever created. Everyone knew QE2's funnel.

Cheers.

(http://www.chriscunard.com/qe2-25.jpg)
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Mar 20, 2009, 12:39 PM
Thanks Chris- That's great thankyou. I particularly like the shot of the new with the riggers-did you take it? Certainly gives the scale.I'm still intrigued as to what actual bits of the old metal survive into the new. Is it just the widened windscoop and some parts of the red/black? Andy's (ancoaster 78) answer below is very helpful in this regard aswell  and proof of what actual panels survived and were reused would be great (sorry I'm really rivet counting now and never went that way before !! It does look like to me that much is new rolled fabrication. Any ideas welcome. Perhaps some German shipyard worker somewhere has his fence propped up with a bit of the old funnel and we can do a deal with him to bring it back to the UK for display and homage whilst we wait for the whole ship! 
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Waverley on Apr 16, 2009, 10:52 PM
Photo from the David Hutchings book
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Apr 16, 2009, 11:32 PM
Great thanks Robert- quite a scorch!
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Waverley on Apr 17, 2009, 12:23 PM
More about the original funnel design

http://vads.ahds.ac.uk/diad/article.php?title=244&year=1969&article=d.244.37
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Apr 17, 2009, 01:25 PM
Fascinating thanks again Robert-you must have quite an archive!
Ive also often wondered what happens to torrential rain pouring down a funnel? Does it never get in due to horizontal grills/gutter system up top or get soaked up like an open chimney via twists/turns/absorbent concrete etc?
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Bob C. on Apr 17, 2009, 11:43 PM
Great photo robert.  Is the David Hutchings book still in print?
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Andy F on Apr 18, 2009, 01:44 AM
Great photo robert.  Is the David Hutchings book still in print?

Not sure tbh Bob but certainly still available and definitely recommended.  Currently for sale on Amazon (UK) and eBay if interested:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/QE2-A-Ship-for-all-Seasons_W0QQitemZ110322339271QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Books_NonFictionBooks_NonFictionBooks_SM?hash=item110322339271&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/QE2-A-Ship-for-all-Seasons_W0QQitemZ110322339271QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Books_NonFictionBooks_NonFictionBooks_SM?hash=item110322339271&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Amazon's currently cheaper:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Queen-Elizabeth-II-Ship-Seasons/dp/0946184410 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Queen-Elizabeth-II-Ship-Seasons/dp/0946184410)

On a related note, while down in Southampton on one of my many trips last summer to watch QE2 depart, I didn't realise it at the time but the guy I was stood next to and chatting with, happened to be the very same David Hutchings. 
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Waverley on Apr 20, 2009, 07:48 PM
The lonely funnel
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 20, 2009, 08:02 PM



Hi Kev,

There were a few copies of David Hutchings book, 'Pride of the North Altlantic...'  in the Maritime Museum in Southampton
when I was there 2 weeks ago - On sale for £16.99. Full price £29.95
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Apr 20, 2009, 11:18 PM
Thanks Rosie!
will hopefully get on to it!
great shot in Hamburg-the surrounding scrap metalyard worries me that more of the original disappeared there!
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Chris Frame on Apr 21, 2009, 02:45 PM
Thanks Chris- That's great thankyou. I particularly like the shot of the new with the riggers-did you take it?

Hi Kev,

Yes I did - in Sydney - they often did the Funnel 'touch up' in Sydney during the W/C.
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 21, 2009, 05:23 PM

Kev,

Found this and thought of you!

David Hutchings book 'QE2 - A Ship for All Seasons is for sale, second hand (first editions) at Alibris.co.uk.
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: KEV on Apr 21, 2009, 06:25 PM
Rosie
You are a kind lady!
Thankyou
Title: Re: QE2's original white pencil funnel-what became of it?
Post by: Waverley on Apr 27, 2009, 08:47 PM
More funnel info regarding its design features. Go to this site and scoll down

http://members.tripod.com/~Tziper/eng.htm
Title: Painting the funnel
Post by: Waverley on May 03, 2009, 07:36 PM
This gives you some idea of its size when you see the "little" people painting the top of the funnel

http://public.fotki.com/Magwa/cruising/oceana-apr-2008/other-cruise-ships-/qe2funnel/
Title: Re: Painting the funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 03, 2009, 08:03 PM
Nice pictures :) And even more good pictures in the rest of the album - I went exploring, I hope you don't mind ;)
Title: Re: Painting the funnel
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 04, 2009, 02:32 PM
Those are great!!  Thanks so much for posting!


When the QE2 was in Sydney in 2006, they touched up her funnel...   Check these out!  https://www.flickr.com/photos/jachichi/100256879/

I also caught the painters via the remote-control webcam - http://www.roblightbody.com/liners/qe-2/Sydney2006

Title: Re: Painting the funnel
Post by: Chris Frame on May 08, 2009, 04:10 PM
Sydney was a popular funnel touch up port - here they are in 2002:

(http://www.chriscunard.com/qe2-25.jpg)
Title: The Funnel
Post by: Chris Frame on May 09, 2009, 09:19 AM
We all love it - a superb structure - This is a photo I took from the Signal Deck - aft.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on May 09, 2009, 10:08 AM
Another one
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Chris Frame on May 09, 2009, 10:13 AM
Magnificent Louis!

The shot I took actually shows a close up of one of the magnificent lights that illuminate the funnel so well. I was being creative with my shots when I took that one and at first glance it looks almost as if the funnel is sitting atop the light fixture.

On another note, it is interesting also to see that photos of the new funnel post 86/87 Bremerhaven refit show it all "wired up" with cables running from it to the deck below. As QE2 got older, these cables seemed to disappear with her funnel being totally cable-less for much of her later life.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on May 09, 2009, 10:40 AM
Did you know that around the funnel is a crew area?Theres a section only for females.Great memories there but you have to be carefull with the cameras........... ;D
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on May 09, 2009, 10:50 AM
How about is one?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Chris Frame on May 09, 2009, 11:17 AM
Did you know that around the funnel is a crew area? Theres a section only for females.Great memories there but you have to be carefull with the cameras........... ;D

Yes - when we were taken up to photograph the funnel we walked through the ladies only deck - there was no one around at the time.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 09, 2009, 12:11 PM
The shot I took actually shows a close up of one of the magnificent lights that illuminate the funnel so well.

I was going to ask what that was - now I don't have to :)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 09, 2009, 12:12 PM
Did you know that around the funnel is a crew area?Theres a section only for females.

Yes and no. I knew there was a crew area around the funnel but I didn't think it was big enough to be segregated into areas.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 09, 2009, 12:14 PM
when we were taken up to photograph the funnel

When was that? By the time I found out how to get to the funnel the doors en route had been locked :(
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on May 09, 2009, 08:53 PM

There's lots more about the funnel - and whistle,

 on  https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,206.0.html

as well as in the Gallery, I think

and you'll find the Funnel Run somewhere too!
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 09, 2009, 09:36 PM

There's lots more about the funnel - and whistle,

 on  https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,206.0.html

Thanks :)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on May 09, 2009, 10:56 PM
Now the "Funnel" commence :D :D

l couldnt believe my luck that it was open..

Notice the punch bag...

There used to be an area years ago that was a notorious err cruising place.. long before the cctv
I did happen per chance to find myself up there late one night

and more pics to follow tomorrow..
Tales of a Funnel Run :)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Chris Frame on May 10, 2009, 12:47 PM
When was that? By the time I found out how to get to the funnel the doors en route had been locked :(

We were actually taken there by a Deck Cadet from a door leading out of the funnel casing (the white part at the back of the funnel). It was superb to be there so close to that magnificent funnel.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 10, 2009, 03:13 PM
Now the "Funnel" commence :D :D

l couldnt believe my luck that it was open..

Myles - when were you up there? I hope it wasn't the time I met you :)

There used to be an area years ago that was a notorious err cruising place.. long before the cctv
I did happen per chance to find myself up there late one night

What's odd about that? It was a cruise ship you were on after all :D
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Waverley on May 10, 2009, 08:56 PM
Funnel in the sky,  black and white photo.  Quite nice.

http://inphotos.org/qe2-funnel-in-the-sky/
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on May 10, 2009, 11:00 PM
Malcolm
The last time was the day in port between the Round UK and the westbound crossing,But the first time up there was late one night in 1988
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: KEV on May 11, 2009, 12:17 AM
Great
I love these 'behind the scenes' shots. Any more of the original one from up there would be great too. Any aerial views from a helicopter or tall building looking straight down?
When I watched the News footage live of her arriving in Dubai I seem to remember some kids clambering over the windscoop? Or did I imagine it? How did they do this?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 11, 2009, 06:48 AM
the day in port between the Round UK and the westbound crossing

Ah yes :( When you got into the Q1s. I am sorry I messed those cabins.  :'( Now I find you did the funnel as well. I am desolate :'(
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on May 11, 2009, 11:29 AM
I must admit l was quite surprised to learn that most of the cabins would be open for inspection with a limited window of time before they would be locked prior to embarkation, and to have free access was too much to miss out on.
 Part of the joys of being an "intransit  passenger" and you got to use the crew gangway entrance.
 It was as you say the day l found the Grand Suites, will post some photos of them later

In the meantime

  
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 11, 2009, 12:50 PM
I'm curious about your photograph. They issued everyone on the WC a planner like the one you show (in black and white, if you wanted it coloured then you had to colour it by hand) each month. I didn't know they they prepared them at other times or that they were issuing them for the Round UK trip :)
Title: Crew calendar
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 11, 2009, 01:30 PM
I'm curious about your photograph. They issued everyone on the WC a planner like the one you show (in black and white, if you wanted it coloured then you had to colour it by hand) each month. I didn't know they they prepared them at other times or that they were issuing them for the Round UK trip :)

Here's another one, a crew calendar, with some crew comments too!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2970616629/

I received a private response to my Flickr question : The printers are allowed to insert some dates of their own! So "Happy birthday Dad" would quite probably have been for the dad of one of the Printshop members. QE2 had such a great life... the more I saw of it, the more I liked it and wanted to see more  :D    !

Apologies Rob -- should we have hived off this topic from here?
Title: Re: The Funnel Bar
Post by: Chris Frame on May 11, 2009, 02:06 PM
Something I really appreciated was the addition of the Funnel Bar to QE2 during her "cruising" refurbishment in Bremerhaven. I always thought that the Heli-Deck was underutilised before the addition of Funnel Bar, but the night parties up on that deck were great!

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: mickey g on May 11, 2009, 04:08 PM
This is one of my favourite funnel shots, taken from QM2 on QE2's final eastbound crossing
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on May 11, 2009, 04:33 PM
Under the bridge
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on May 11, 2009, 07:55 PM
Malcolm
This was taken in "Sailor Square" and is indeed a crew calendar. If you study them some of the comments are interesting, ie sea days and port days. Surprised nothing more was made of the last day in NY.
 If only those guys had published them, they could have made a fortune!
Here is one for November for "that" date, says it all doesnt it... :(

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Avariel on May 11, 2009, 08:06 PM
I apologize in advance for the massive images.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/avarielwonka/9ec95dcead969aa0copy.jpg)
^ at Southampton. Taken with my crappish mobile phone

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/avarielwonka/b1cc81bb865b1316ed362449394ebc7bcop.jpg)
^ its got Funnel. and some other stuff.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n240/avarielwonka/df2bd26ba9191e28copy.jpg)
^ at Fremantle, Australia
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on May 11, 2009, 08:29 PM
"Sailor Square"

Sailor Square? ???
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on May 11, 2009, 10:10 PM
The Sailors Square is on Five Deck fwd,its the crew and stores gangway mostly used in Southampton and New York.It contains also the Foward Fire Party room.Parties for crew are held here too.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Scott Ebersold on May 12, 2009, 04:58 AM
Now the "Funnel" commence :D :D

l couldnt believe my luck that it was open..

Notice the punch bag...

There used to be an area years ago that was a notorious err cruising place.. long before the cctv
I did happen per chance to find myself up there late one night

and more pics to follow tomorrow..
Tales of a Funnel Run :)

Yes, yes, Miles.  This was how I got out there that night with the helicopter rescue. Great picks!  ... and err, stories.
Title: Sailors Square
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 12, 2009, 07:18 AM
The Sailors Square is on Five Deck fwd,its the crew and stores gangway mostly used in Southampton and New York.It contains also the Foward Fire Party room.Parties for crew are held here too.

Is it the area behind this door? Picture was taken on Five Deck, port side, forward of A Stairway.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/3132122426/
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on May 12, 2009, 09:59 AM
Cant see the whole door,but yes its behind the watertight door on five deck portside fwd of A stairway.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on May 12, 2009, 10:00 AM
One more of the funnel
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: TDM99 on Jun 15, 2009, 03:21 PM
Here a view of the Funnel in July 2006 in Cherbourg , but i have a question :
You can see they " distorsions " in they steel plates of the funnel !
What that ???

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7238/fh000013q.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/fh000013q.jpg/)

Friendly Noel
http://tdm99.skyrock.com/

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Scott Ebersold on Jun 15, 2009, 03:28 PM
That section of the "new" funnel was part of the original funnel.  There was a fire which caused the buckling.  There's more info somewhere here on the sight.  Maybe someone can find it and post a link here?

-Scott
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: TDM99 on Jun 15, 2009, 03:53 PM
Thank You Scott !

And here one of my favorite photo of the funnel ...  ;D

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9513/phototestpentax8138.jpg) (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/phototestpentax8138.jpg/)

Friendly Noel
http://tdm99.skyrock.com/
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Waverley on Jun 18, 2009, 04:37 PM
Another unusual funnel photo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/12212674@N00/1413950199
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Bob C. on Jun 18, 2009, 04:50 PM
That section of the "new" funnel was part of the original funnel.  There was a fire which caused the buckling.  There's more info somewhere here on the sight.  Maybe someone can find it and post a link here?

-Scott

I may be wrong but I've read the discussions on the funnel wrinkles on both the old and new and find it difficult to believe that old wrinkled metal would be taken off the old funnel and used on the new.  A new funnel is just that - new!  Plus I think the original funnel fire caused distortions on the port side and the above photo shows them on the opposite side.

Unless there was some tradition or nostalgia of using the original metal included in the process, I think the new wrinkles were caused by an incident with the new funnel installed.

Willing to debate further and will continue to research. 

This is sort of the same difference of opinion we had about the notch at John Brown's being made for QE2 and makes this forum fun!
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Kathy M. on Jun 18, 2009, 06:15 PM
Here's my favorite funnel shot, as she departed Boston Harbor for the last time in September, 2008.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 18, 2009, 07:15 PM
A new funnel is just that - new!  

Ahh, but its NOT a new funnel. It is definitely the old funnel casing, modified and expanded for its new use... I think we discussed this before - I'll try to hunt down the earlier conversation about it.

Later edit : It's right here in this topic, from reply 3 onwards.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Bob C. on Jun 18, 2009, 08:18 PM
The link is correct but I just can't wrap my mind around the concept of a recycled funnel.  Again, not saying anyone is wrong but I need to reserach the issue for myself which is one of my favorite things to do - researching QE2!!!
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: KEV on Jul 02, 2009, 08:42 AM
Bob-I understand your quest for knowledge on this entirely-me too!. It does seem strange  that with all the money spent on the 87 refit an area of such iconic focus such as the funnel would be accepted by Cunard with effectively a 'bodge job' unless their was a time/technical/serious cost constraint. Having said that of course she must have ran with the 1976 fire damage until the new funnel was fitted in 87 but the effect I see on photos in the period 76-87 doesn't look too obvious to me. Perhaps someone from the refit can explain what really happened.Close up photos from the immediate period before/after the refit would help.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 02, 2009, 10:28 AM
It does seem strange  that with all the money spent on the 87 refit an area of such iconic focus such as the funnel would be accepted by Cunard with effectively a 'bodge job'

Maybe it was a PR concern - maybe they thought there would be a negative reaction to the big fat funnel on the nation's flagship?  In fact I bet they were worried about this.  So, to be able to say that it wasn't a new funnel, just the original, modified, would help the PR department deal with flak about it.  However don't undersestimate the large sheets of metalwork involved in the funnel... the entire project was all about saving money!
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Chris Frame on Jul 06, 2009, 01:40 AM
The old funnel was modified to allow for the 9 diesel exhaust pipes - it is simply a matter of functionality. The funnel they had wasn't wide enough, so they modified it. If you inspected the funnel you could quite easily see what panels were taken from the original.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Bob C. on Jul 06, 2009, 04:16 PM
Thanks Chris, I'm beginning to see how this could have happened.  Would you happen to have any photos of some of the recycled panels?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Jul 07, 2009, 04:02 AM
The old funnel was modified to allow for the 9 diesel exhaust pipes - it is simply a matter of functionality. The funnel they had wasn't wide enough, so they modified it. If you inspected the funnel you could quite easily see what panels were taken from the original.

There must have been a Scotsman involved in the shipyard in Germany for the conversion who could not see junking the entire structure, even if some of the plates were warped and had some "character". :D
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 07, 2009, 08:44 AM
Quote
There must have been a Scotsman involved in the shipyard in Germany for the conversion who could not see junking the entire structure, even if some of the plates were warped and had some "character".


Now Ken are you saying that all Scotsmen are tight ;)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Jul 07, 2009, 09:41 AM
Let's just say we're all thrifty, wise, and prudent!  ;D
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on Jul 08, 2009, 06:58 PM
Now Ken are you saying that all Scotsmen are tight ;)

Let's just say we're all thrifty, wise, and prudent!  ;D

Is that what  Myles meant by "tight"? :D I thought it was something to do with kilts on cold winter nights!
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jul 08, 2009, 10:28 PM
The old funnel was modified to allow for the 9 diesel exhaust pipes - it is simply a matter of functionality. The funnel they had wasn't wide enough, so they modified it. If you inspected the funnel you could quite easily see what panels were taken from the original.

Once you had observed the funnel by the slanting light of evening, and had a good look at the panels, the wrinkles became much more obvious, at least to me. The side panels were very clearly wrinkled, while the panels in the most conspicuous location, i.e. those see from the Sun Deck, were straight and new. The old panels, being made for the thinner funnel, could not stretch all the way round...

I loved the fact that QE2 still carried her history of the old funnel, even after the re-engining! It seemed like a mark of respect for her life story...

This photo shows the contrast nicely :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2866327203/

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3223/2866327203_84862fb6d5.jpg)

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Jul 08, 2009, 11:47 PM
Here's another shot to illustrate the newer center "stretched" portion of the funnel.

(http://highlander0108.smugmug.com/photos/585799692_86Vi3-L.jpg)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Jul 09, 2009, 12:07 AM
A night shot taken at sailaway at Newcastle, October 8, 2008.  

(http://highlander0108.smugmug.com/photos/585812983_eEiN2-L.jpg)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 09, 2009, 09:19 AM
Not a bump in sight here
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1084/qe2rounduklend950.jpg)

However from this angle..
** OLD DEAD LINK REMOVED **img40/9610/qe2rounduklend945.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Jul 09, 2009, 03:43 PM


Great Funnel!

Please could one of you learned people identify what that funny little thing is?
It's attached to the  funnel's right hand side, top of the red bit,
in the first of Myles 2 grand photos?


And back to the question of the colour of the red paint -
Myles, I wonder -  were those pics taken at roughly the same time?

Orange-ish paint on a blue sky day - and red on a cloudy one.... 
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Jul 09, 2009, 05:52 PM
I do believe that is a navigation light on the side above the red. 

Ken
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Jul 09, 2009, 09:33 PM


Thank you!

Yet...would there be one (a nav light) there in every photo, and one on each side?
I wondered whether it could be a cctv lens?
Bit puzzling....


Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Jul 10, 2009, 12:17 AM
I am now puzzled, having gone back and looked at other photos in my vast coillection.  :D  Every stunning picture with running lights on shows just the forward white light on the funnel, with nothing on the sides.  Perhaps this is a special running light.  I even looked at my photos of Queensferry, where she was at anchor, and a forward bow light on the bow horn assembly was lit, but nothing on the funnel.  This might have to be answered by someone more familiar with large ship navigation lights.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Bob C. on Jul 10, 2009, 12:49 AM
It looks like a ceramic high voltage insulator.  Does anyone know if there was an HF antenna attached to the funnel after the '87 refit?  It could explain what the object is (there is one on the opposite side as well) as it may have been left in place after the onboard communication technology upgrades no longer required the antenna.

Here is a photo of the HF antennae strung about on the original funnel in 1969.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 10, 2009, 09:44 AM
Yes those pics were taken roughly within a few minutes of each other
It does look like a naivigation light, But then again what is the other bit sticking out at the top on the left hand side of the same photo, Might it be the ropes were attached  here  when it was lifted into place ?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on Jul 10, 2009, 11:44 AM
I wondered if it was to measure wind speed, wind direction, air pressure, etc. ???
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on Jul 10, 2009, 11:45 AM
Myles - that second photograph wasn't taken from one of the public areas of the ship was it?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 11, 2009, 01:39 AM
Malcolm. No it wasnt !!! it was taken on the 10th October between cruises ;D on Dog piss deck.
Having made what l thought was the most of the time, l only wish l had known now what l know then, and would have been on and off a few times and making full use of the crew entrance and explored even further.. Hindsight and all that ::) I still kick myself for missing out on the embarkation photos for both crossings.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Malcolm on Jul 11, 2009, 07:53 AM
I still kick myself for missing out on the embarkation photos for both crossings.

Not those things taken as you board? Where you've been travelling for hours and arrive looking dishevelled? We've spent years avoiding being photographed then :D Was there anything special about the photos for the final crossings?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Jul 11, 2009, 01:42 PM
Due to the high resolution of the pics I took, I could zoom in and get a better view of the object in question.  It is defininitely a running light of some sort.  It looks like the running lights on the forward mast.  You can even see the wire to the fixture.  Has anyone ever seen these lit up?
(http://highlander0108.smugmug.com/photos/587848871_fQgzZ-L.jpg)
(http://highlander0108.smugmug.com/photos/587848865_XRs54-L.jpg)
From this enlargement of an old pic of the boiler room fire, you can see both this light and a bracket to attach aerials to as see in the previous pic of the original funnel design.  These lights were part of the original funnel and remainded when the funnel was cut apart and reworked for the re-engining.  The aerial bracket at some point was removed.
(http://highlander0108.smugmug.com/photos/587853071_mJdyn-L.jpg)

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 11, 2009, 03:14 PM
Quote
Not those things taken as you board? Where you've been travelling for hours and arrive looking dishevelled? We've spent years avoiding being photographed then  Was there anything special about the photos for the final crossings?
 
 
 

Yes those photos, l cant even remember what they had on them something about Final Atlantic crossing just thought they would have been a nice addition to the album, over the years l must have bought every photo taken,not that lm vain you understand, l used to find it amusing in the photo shop having forked out for  a QE2 cruise then to choke on a souvenir photo.
 
Besides didnt you at least pause for a moment,before you arrived at the terminal, put on the finishing touches and compose yourself before the utter joy of checkin was about to start and the prospect of yet another superb QE2 voyage, l know l did ::)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Jul 11, 2009, 03:57 PM



Where the  Funnel (main?) light is situated, it can be seen clearly in Rob's image in the Forum header - take a look above!

The light is on and visible in some of the images on the Flickr link below. 
These were taken on that sad, cold and utterly wretched night - 11.11.2008, 7 months ago today.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/watch_keeper/sets/72157621278375812/
 
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 15, 2009, 12:23 AM
My best/favourite funnel photos :-

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/2788147430/ (night of full lunar eclipse, on the Med, Aug 08, with the astronomer, and all the sun deck lights turned out.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3094/2788147430_0be1851c20.jpg)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/2834301042/

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/2834301042_568c776a29.jpg)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/2788034768/

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2788034768_2aea7e13b4.jpg)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/2788031036/

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/2788031036_4bc0fe7549.jpg)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/3107278227/

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/3107278227_2c6b98231c.jpg)

And in this final one, the funnel on the left is literally DAYS old, and on the right, it 21 years old.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/2806922874_d87ec94f3d.jpg)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lightbody/2806922874/
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Jul 15, 2009, 11:24 PM

Rob,
They are superb photos
The last two are a fascinating comparison,
and not only betwen the new and recent funnel - a lot of other things too.

 
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: TDM99 on Jul 16, 2009, 11:12 PM
Very nice photos Rob !!!

I shoot on my only cruise last year 50 photos just over the QE2 Funnel (they best photos are on my blog) .
When i back home , i look my 1000 photos over this cruise .
And i search the special photo of : " Me " & the QE2 Funnel ...
But i search and search and found anything photo ???
Oh my god ; i forget to make this photo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So , this is my " only " photo with me (my fingers) & the QE2 Funnel .


(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5581/phototestpentax9318.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/phototestpentax9318.jpg/)

Noel


Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jul 17, 2009, 06:39 PM
Picture by RinkRatz of the slim 1985 funnel, in red, with "Queen Elizabeth 2" written in Helvetica :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rinkratz/3710415504/
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: citrail on Aug 08, 2009, 05:35 PM
I think I still prefer the old funnel :)

Image not available
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Fairfield on Aug 26, 2009, 09:58 PM
Old John Brown photo given to me of the original being fitted.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Sep 03, 2009, 07:07 PM


What an amazing photo.
Thank you for posting
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cos918 on Sep 03, 2009, 10:19 PM
here a good web site on the funnel run

John

http://travel.webshots.com/album/560353671ICAiWV?start=0
Title: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Mar 30, 2010, 12:57 PM
About  cleaning and maintaining and servicing inside the pipes of the funnel...

On a calm day - there was a bit of a sooty smell up on the sun / funnel deck,
and at times, it seemed like viewing the sky with yellowy brown tinted sun-specs - the smoke trailing aft, above her wake!!

It must have been really difficult/ impossible to do any work up and down the pipes whilst the engines were running...?!
Chimney sweeping rods wouldn't be long enough - were there 'windows' for access?
Title: Re: QE2 funnel
Post by: Bob C. on May 13, 2010, 02:47 PM
Concur with the comments on QE2's classic funnel!  When developed, the funnel was a departure from all convention to date - truly an original innovation. 

With heights of cruise ships being constrained by the bridges they need to pass under and technology allowing for more real estate in the superstructure (remember QE2 added a deck with her "new" aluminum superstructure), funnel heights need to remain constant as the superstructure creeps higher making a squattier funnel which I think horribly detracts from the look of the ship if it is using a QE2 influenced design.

Also adding a QE2 funnel to a classic liner doesn't work as QE2's lines are forward leaning (wheel house, mast, funnel and her aft cascading decks to some extent) where her predecessors, including Normandie, leaned aft.   

QE2 is one of a kind and they truly broke the mold after they made her!
Title: Re: QE2 funnel
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Dec 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
QE2 is one of a kind and they truly broke the mold after they made her!


Very interesting comparison in this picture :

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/5174307497_be0e22737f.jpg)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/albireo2006/5174307497/

With thanks to Albireo2006 in Malta.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Cunarder Man on Dec 19, 2010, 10:53 PM
I think I still prefer the old funnel :)



1983 on that famous Cruise to Nowhere - in addition to the funnel please note the position of the Builder's Plate which is now on Queen Elizabeth.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Dec 20, 2010, 12:26 PM
Now if they could have seen it fit to extend the black part of QV & QE's funnel to the height of the uptakes ala QE2!

 ;)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Dec 20, 2010, 11:19 PM
I have read somewhere that this cluttered look with all the exposed pipes is necessary for the functionality of the stacks, but I am not buying it.  That picture perfectly illustrates what could easily have been.  QE2 functioned beautifully with the funnel casing running up to almost the top of the exhaust piping and QM2's funnel appears to have had some thought put into its design.  These Fincanteri stacks on the Vistas just look unfinished.  Or perhaps the detailing of the funnel was given to an intern to complete. :o  I am surprised that Cunard let a detail like this so integral to the brand recognition and history go unchallenged.  Then again, the foremast on the QE/QV designs look a equally unfinished in how the ships horns are installed.  I guess we are just spoiled with QE2, in which it appears every detail was scrutinized for functionality and beauty.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Dec 20, 2010, 11:58 PM
About the need to sweep the 'stack!
Does any one know how often and how difficult it was for those 'pipes' to be cleaned?
Could this only be done during a refit?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Louis De Sousa on Feb 06, 2011, 10:42 PM
Following photo wastaken on top of the funnel looking down


Photo from Alvan M
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 07, 2011, 12:23 AM
Following photo was taken on top of the funnel looking down


That must have been quite an adventure, Louis! Tell us how you managed to get to the top of the funnel -- presumably the ship was in port at the time?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: RMS Lozzy on Feb 07, 2011, 02:35 PM
(Dont know how to write this without sounding like Im bragging, just so you know Im not. :))

I was lucky to get a picture I took of the funnel published in the Book QE2: Britain's Greatest Liner.  If you have a copy of the book its opposite the Duke of Edinburgh's forward note.  Im friends with one of the authors and I just happened to be showing him my pictures and he asked if he could use it.

I was so pleased that first time I saw it.  :)  I'd put it up on here but its somewhere on one of my discs, will try to find it later.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: R80OOP on Mar 03, 2011, 08:08 PM
In a way it is great that the QM2, QV and QE have all styled their funnels after the great Queen - the boot was a very efficient design and QE2's spirit lives on here in the uk as these levithans  sail up the Southampton Water.  I always think that when her funnel was modified in the re-engineering programe it completed the QE2's transition from teenager to adulthood.    It is one hec of  a design - beautiful - wrinkles and all....
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Mar 04, 2011, 03:41 AM
In a way it is great that the QM2, QV and QE have all styled their funnels after the great Queen - the boot was a very efficient design and QE2's spirit lives on here in the uk as these levithans  sail up the Southampton Water.  I always think that when her funnel was modified in the re-engineering programe it completed the QE2's transition from teenager to adulthood.    It is one hec of  a design - beautiful - wrinkles and all....

Agreed!  Just wondering, though, how effective the upturned scoop is on QV/QE since they will never see the speeds QE2 and QM2 are designed for.  If you think about it, the Acadia, the first QV, was fitted with the same funnel before the decision was made to switch her over to P&O.  The scoops were never added and the funnel does look a bit naked, even taller without the appendages  Does anyone notice the difference, especially onboard?  Also, non of the other numerous Vista class ships have this scoop design and yet they are plying the waters as well. 

Here's a comparison of funnels I posted in my recent blog post on the QE's funnel.  I just wish they'd finished the funnel casing at the proper height!

(http://highlander0108.smugmug.com/photos/1203075083_cSwjJ-M.jpg)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Scott Ebersold on Mar 04, 2011, 10:56 PM
I couldn't agree with you more, Ken.  I have not heard a great answer as to why it doesn't extend higher over the pipe.   Would LOVE to know the "reasoning" behind it.

And I don't think QE or QV's scoops are actually scoops.  They look ornimental and like they might be some kind of vents or air intakes.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 05, 2011, 06:57 PM
Quote
  I have not heard a great answer as to why it doesn't extend higher over the pipe.   Would LOVE to know the "reasoning" behind it.

   

Maybe to do with cost, Not that lm saying Carnival are tight you understand ... ;)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: highlander0108 on Mar 05, 2011, 10:34 PM
I think the captain of QE might be experiencing "funnel envy." ;)  I would be anyway.
Title: Re: QE2 - The Funnel
Post by: bobso on Aug 20, 2011, 07:48 AM
Link here to our QE2--"The Pride of the Clyde"---



http://qe2-prideoftheclyde.blogspot.com/2011/03/qes-funnel-comes-up-short.html
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 26, 2011, 02:40 PM
She must have ran with the 1976 fire damage until the new funnel was fitted in 87

Now that we have quite a few new members here, I wonder was anyone here around at the time of the 1976 fire? When exactly was it, what caused it and what happened? Are there any pictures of the flames that buckled the funnel? Was QE2 out of service for a long time while repairs were being carried out?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 26, 2011, 05:15 PM
Thank you, Michael, for this history of the engine room fire and its consequences. I stand in awe once more of the depth of your knowledge of QE2 and your willingness to share it.

It is heartening also to read of the excellent work done in these difficult circumstances by the medical crew on board. I trust the injured engineer was able to make a good recovery.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Feb 05, 2012, 02:27 PM
Please Rob - do you think it would be a good idea for there to be a timeline specifically for the Funnel,
and include pictures of it all stages since it's first inception?
I'm probably the only one who's confused - however, there are images around, some containing slits at the top, other with more beaten red metal than others, and few specific dates for reference etc
My query arose as I was wondering about refits.
For example, when did these involve the funnel?
A Timeline might involve too much work, if so, please excuse my suggestion!
As there are three distinct topics for the funnel, do you think it needs it's own section?
Rosie

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Matteo 91 on Feb 05, 2012, 03:06 PM
I'm trying to remember where I have already seen a similar timeline ... a book or a website? I just have to find it!
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 12, 2012, 05:22 PM
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1197/qe2bwphoto023.jpg)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Mar 12, 2012, 05:30 PM
Cor!  That's a powerful and atmospheric image! :)

Have you got any more like that?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Mar 12, 2012, 06:33 PM
Hi Myles

What a picture!
Do you by any chance know the date that you took it?
Cheers
Rosie
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 12, 2012, 08:21 PM
Quote
  Cor!  That's a powerful and atmospheric image!

Have you got any more like that?

It is... and Yes !!!! ;)  and the image is much, much larger than you think.... 

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 12, 2012, 08:30 PM
If you can imagine this but in black and white.. and taken several minutes later when the sun was higher. It dates to 1969. 
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2737/img255n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 12, 2012, 08:36 PM
Its a long story but a photo poster appeared on ebay last year, I bid and won it. there is some  damge to the image but in the correct light its looks stunning. Black and white and shows her profile against the sun.  Anyway it arrived when l was in California. The sender explained it had probably been unrolled once in the past 30 or so years and that was only to take a picture to see it and the rest of the time it had been stored away completely forgotten about. the image size is 46 x 24 ins. It really was rolled up so tight that it impossible to fully roll out, and in truth they day l had a copy made was the day l saw it in all its glory.

 Being thick photo paper and stored rolled up for so long l had no idea how best to deal with it. But eventually having tried a whole host of places between Inverness, Aberdeen and Dundee. l found a place that would at least try to copy it onto normal copy paper. Everyone else just took one look and said No !!, its too old, paper to thick and the machines wont take it. But one place l found would at least try, l did have to persevere with them, and even then all they said was we can try but all you will get is a black and white blob on paper, It took four of them to man handle the paper and when the first copy rolled out, l was stunned, and in truth so were they, it was still a black blob !! and asked can they run through a few more, which they did. They also did copies of my plans but that's another story.
 So that's it !! its perhaps too large to get mounted and framed, and one half of me says get it cropped down to size and then get it mounted and framed.
Anyway stay tuned.... ;)


     
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Mar 13, 2012, 09:07 AM
Hello Myles

What a wonder story and thank goodness you did not give up on getting the poster copied.  Looking forward to update on stage two when you get it framed. 
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Bob C. on Mar 13, 2012, 12:12 PM
Its also worthy to note that this is the same picture used on the cover of Potter and Frost's book, "Queen Elizabeth 2: The Authorised Story".  Although the port side is shown in Miles' photo and the starboard side is shown on the book.  Probably just the book cover artist's preference using a mirror image.

Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Mar 13, 2012, 05:35 PM
Its also worthy to note that this is the same picture used on the cover of Potter and Frost's book, "Queen Elizabeth 2: The Authorised Story".  Although the port side is shown in Miles' photo and the starboard side is shown on the book.  Probably just the book cover artist's preference using a mirror image.

Bob - there's a fair bit of artistic license, isn't there?
The lower part of the funnel in both images seems incredibly deep from 'front to back'
and the mast isn't quite right either... :-\
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Bob C. on Mar 13, 2012, 09:13 PM
Rosie, the squatty funnel in Miles' photo is probably due to some distortion in the reproduction process.  The odd funnel in the color photo is due to the brightness of the sun behind the mast - similar to why it looks like there are no windows in spots on the old Sports Deck - I miss that feature...sigh  :'( 
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Mar 13, 2012, 09:25 PM
Rosie, the squatty funnel in Miles' photo is probably due to some distortion in the reproduction process.  The odd funnel in the color photo is due to the brightness of the sun behind the mast - similar to why it looks like there are no windows in spots on the old Sports Deck - I miss that feature...sigh  :'( 

Thank you, Bob
As a matter of interest, does the 'squatty' bit of the funnel have any function?
Although it has a sleeve like appearance, I can't imagine what it does!
I've often tried to find out from books - and failed!
It must have a proper name - maybe something associated with its use....
Flagship's post# 4 -  is helpful, it uses the term cowling - but I'm still none the wiser as to its purpose!
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,3930.0.html
Hope all's well with you and yours
Rosie
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Bob C. on Mar 13, 2012, 09:36 PM
Rod would be the one to answer that question.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Mar 13, 2012, 10:19 PM
I believe it is an aerodynamic shape designed to help the curved bit at the base keep the exhaust clear of the deck.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Adam Hodson on Apr 21, 2014, 06:34 PM
Thank you, Bob
As a matter of interest, does the 'squatty' bit of the funnel have any function?
Although it has a sleeve like appearance, I can't imagine what it does!
I've often tried to find out from books - and failed!
It must have a proper name - maybe something associated with its use....
Flagship's post# 4 -  is helpful, it uses the term cowling - but I'm still none the wiser as to its purpose!
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,3930.0.html
Hope all's well with you and yours
Rosie

Hi Rosie - When you say 'squatty bit' of the funnel are you referring to the red bit that sticks out at the back? If so I believe that is a vent for steam? Please take a look at the attached picture and you will see that there is steam coming out of the rear of the funnel. (Sorry it is very poor quality).
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Rod on Apr 21, 2014, 11:38 PM
To go to Adams pic....the "squatty bit" I do like that description, we used to call it " the red bit"
does indeed have a task.
To hide stuff!.
As you can see from Adams pic, there is steam blowing off, thats a "no-no" BTW.
All the steam safety valves used to vent up there. The gap between the "SB" and the rest of the funnel was there for 2 reasons.
At the base of the funnel you had wind scoops, that at speed, would accelerate the flow of air upwards to blow all boiler gasses up...with the ships speed, these should combine to take the noxious, acidic gasses away from the ship and the corrosion caused,by them.....Also not too many pax would be gassed!
The gap between the "SB" and the boiler vent aided this and also acted as a cooler for the boiler gas.


Jeez a whole post about gas!
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Adam Hodson on Apr 21, 2014, 11:41 PM
Thanks for your reply Rod. When you say the steam was a no-no, does that mean it is not supposed to come out there? Unless in an emergency when the safety valves were triggered?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Rod on Apr 22, 2014, 03:45 PM
Safety valves should only go off in an emergency, or for annual testing.
If  a sudden reduction in speed was called for, they could go off if the MCR Engineer was not paying attention and ordering a reduction in burners.
Whenever safeties were "lifted" you ran the risk of them not closing properly with the attendant headaches that might bring!
Title: The Funnel
Post by: Adam Hodson on Apr 22, 2014, 03:45 PM
Ah thanks for that information Rod.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Brandon Sterkel on Apr 07, 2015, 02:43 AM
The Funnel is by all means my favorite part of the QE2. The funnel makes QE2 more powerful and gives her a unique profile. I can never imagine QE2 without her funnel. Whenever I see someone wear the colors black and red, it always makes me think of her funnel!  ;)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Lachlan on Nov 13, 2015, 02:24 AM
If it's of any interest, I came by two plans of QE2's funnel showing in the first one the internal arrangement in the new funnel of exhaust gas flues and in the other the lifting arrangements for the old funnel when it was removed.

I hope they'll attach but they're in PDF form and I'm not sure if that's allowed. I came by these plans when I asked Lloyd Werft if they had any plans from when they re-engine the ship and the helpful response was these two plans and a detailed GA drawing.

The exhaust uptakes certainly fill the available space in the new funnel; it appears to have been quite a feat of engineering that the new funnel wasn't larger than it turned out to be. 
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 13, 2015, 08:31 PM
Brandon, Heres a few more pics of the famous Funnel...
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Brandon Sterkel on Nov 13, 2015, 10:13 PM
Wonderful up close pictures of the funnel, Myles!
Thank you for posting them! :)
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Willum on Nov 15, 2015, 11:17 PM
There was a permanent ladder inside the funnel, you could get right to the top where there were numerous outlets not just the boilers. I used to climb up to the lower door at the top of the red section where there was an anchor point for the ships mail aerial that occasionally needed attention. Wonderful view from up there but you had to breathe carefully as it was hot and stank of sulphur.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Nov 17, 2015, 06:32 PM
There was a permanent ladder inside the funnel, you could get right to the top where there were numerous outlets not just the boilers. I used to climb up to the lower door at the top of the red section where there was an anchor point for the ships mail aerial that occasionally needed attention. Wonderful view from up there but you had to breathe carefully as it was hot and stank of sulphur.

There is a wonderful thread here, photos and all, from the day Michael Gallagher went all the way up inside the funnel :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1745.0.html
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Aug 03, 2017, 06:07 AM
About  cleaning and maintaining and servicing inside the pipes of the funnel...

On a calm day - there was a bit of a sooty smell up on the sun / funnel deck,
and at times, it seemed like viewing the sky with yellowy brown tinted sun-specs - the smoke trailing aft, above her wake!!

It must have been really difficult/ impossible to do any work up and down the pipes whilst the engines were running...?!
Chimney sweeping rods wouldn't be long enough - were there 'windows' for access?


Hi Rosie,

Digging up the archives again haha. QE2's funnel didn't need to be manually "chimney swept" as she had exhaust scrubbers or a mechanical system that appeared to use compressed air, that cleaned out all the dirt etc. I recall often hearing the scrubber/cleaning system when out on the aft decks. Unfortunately I have yet to find any video (and therefore audio) of this happening but have found several videos of the aft decks of QE2 while she was at sea on YouTube where one can hear the normal sound of the funnel and other systems. From what I remember the scrubber/cleaning system sounded like compressed air being forced up the exhaust pipes in a sort of whooshing sound that lasted for only a few seconds on each occasion.

Thomas
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: trevorc on Aug 03, 2017, 10:47 PM
Is it possible, that some soot could have landed on the aft decks? I know the funnel was designed with this in mind to prevent that from happening but has it ever happened?
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Thomas Hypher on Aug 04, 2017, 12:41 AM
Is it possible, that some soot could have landed on the aft decks? I know the funnel was designed with this in mind to prevent that from happening but has it ever happened?


Yes, soot and smuts did land on the aft decks as the scoop at the base of the funnel worked according to the prevailing wind direction and the speed of the ship. For example, when she was docked the scoop would be largely ineffective and depending on the wind direction the soot and smuts would end up on the aft decks. This is one of the reasons the crew had to hose down the open decks (particularly those at the stern) at least every morning around dawn. This hosing down happens on many other ships too having witnessed it on QM2 on the aft decks and on the boat deck among other open spaces. In fact I remember seeing soot and smuts on the aft decks of QE2 at times.

Thomas
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Nov 21, 2017, 07:01 AM
James Gardner was keen to place an enlarged golden figure of a lion rampant, the Cunard symbol, high up on the white funnel but found little support for the innovation so he would make sure that little golden lions rampant kept turning up on the desks of Cunard executives hoping that sooner or later they would get the idea and let him go ahead with his crowning touch.
Title: Re: The Funnel
Post by: Twynkle on Nov 21, 2017, 08:36 AM
James Gardner was keen to place an enlarged golden figure of a lion rampant, the Cunard symbol, high up on the white funnel but found little support for the innovation so he would make sure that little golden lions rampant kept turning up on the desks of Cunard executives hoping that sooner or later they would get the idea and let him go ahead with his crowning touch.

This is interesting - the height of grandeur!
Have you managed to keep a little one?!
Then - I think there maybe /have been one with the ship's name above the 'shelter' on the Sun Deck, just aft of the Bar.. Is this the sort of Lion 'placement' he meant?
Also, one on the plaque that was (unofficially?) called the Warwick Crest under the railing of the Bit Beneath the Bridge - was this also an idea  by James Gardner?
Trying hard now to think of other public places on board where lions rampant were stationed!
Was there one on the bridge? Captains quarters?
Title: Re: The QE2's Funnel
Post by: Scott Ebersold on Jul 19, 2018, 04:27 AM
And from here launched a conversation about the "Warwick" Crest.  You can follow that discussion here:

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?topic=8604.msg98886#msg98886