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Title: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Mar 04, 2009, 07:51 PM
Exterior Views
http://travel.webshots.com/album/548029046DhLMbq

Interior Views
http://travel.webshots.com/album/548037490qJAXCT

Various random views throughout Queen Mary's last remaining engineering spaces, from the Starting Platform through Shaft Alley (no jokes please...)to the rudder turning gear and emergency steering station

http://travel.webshots.com/album/570375534ZSMqTt
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Mar 08, 2009, 12:55 AM
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/41583/2527067870055338351S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2527067870055338351CdLoYB)



Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: hollihedge on Mar 08, 2009, 09:57 AM
Stunning photos there.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: singlemalt on Mar 08, 2009, 09:17 PM
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/41583/2527067870055338351S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2527067870055338351CdLoYB)





She is a thing of great beauty.
My wish list is getting longer.... ;D
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Pia on Mar 09, 2009, 01:21 AM
Do you know, I could really kick myself - I've been to Long Beach... and I didn't go to see Queen Mary! 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: HRHugeness on Mar 09, 2009, 01:50 AM
I will be having brunch on QM on March 22 and a personal tour given by friends that I met on QM2 in January.  I've been once before but didn't take the time for a full tour so I am really looking forward to this visit.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: hollihedge on Mar 09, 2009, 09:53 AM
She is beautiful and well worth a visit.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 20, 2009, 09:29 PM
Try this

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=long+beach+queen+mary&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.778911,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=33.752301,-118.191648&spn=0.009438,0.019312&z=16&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=33.752217,-118.191619&panoid=Yp1laiDfXETiDRAazuxUfA&cbp=12,50.531944211133194,,0,-5.800000000000011

I just "drove" down the street and watched her funnels appear in the distance - reliving a journey i made 11 years ago!  Fantastic!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: richc1977 on Mar 20, 2009, 11:45 PM
I posted this on my 'introduce yourself' post recently but for those that hadn't seen it I've put together a site with photos and videos from my trip to the Queen Mary in 2006.  There is a little virtual tour in there as well.

http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/ (http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/)
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: singlemalt on Mar 21, 2009, 07:18 AM
Try this

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=long+beach+queen+mary&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.778911,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=33.752301,-118.191648&spn=0.009438,0.019312&z=16&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=33.752217,-118.191619&panoid=Yp1laiDfXETiDRAazuxUfA&cbp=12,50.531944211133194,,0,-5.800000000000011

I just "drove" down the street and watched her funnels appear in the distance - reliving a journey i made 11 years ago!  Fantastic!

Thanks for the directions Captain Rob - I've just taken a virtual wander there myself for purposes of research  ::)
And have decided that, yes, I do need to visit there pretty damn soon and see her for myself.

(The wonders of google eh? But I'm still undecided as to whether its a technological advance or just another tool for internet stalkery  :-\  ???)
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Mar 21, 2009, 04:57 PM
I posted this on my 'introduce yourself' post recently but for those that hadn't seen it I've put together a site with photos and videos from my trip to the Queen Mary in 2006.  There is a little virtual tour in there as well.

http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/ (http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/)

Hi Richard

Your Queen Mary website is superb.  Thanks for posting it again, I missed it the first time... 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 23, 2009, 08:00 PM
Quote
And have decided that, yes, I do need to visit there pretty damn soon and see her for myself.

Ali.
Im heading that way in October, if you want to join up, heck l might even let you by me lunch, l cant decide one night or two and really fancy the idea of a Royality Suite, but the thought of little old me in that big cabin and the ghosts..... ??? But so far l do like what l have seen, and maybe a midnight visit to some of the out of the way places...
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Chris Frame on Apr 02, 2009, 07:13 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Qm2_qmsmall1.jpg)

From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Mauretania1907 on Apr 03, 2009, 07:48 AM
That is just a fantastic photo, the new Mary meeting the old Mary. Dare I say that both ships look good, taking into account the changes in naval architecture in the last 80 years. And I add my fervent hope that QE2 ends up looking as nice as the Queen Mary (and not transmogrified into some monstrosity) For all Queen Mary's mishaps and mis management, she still contrives to look regal and proud.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Waverley on Apr 05, 2009, 04:15 PM
That is a super photo indeed

I received this leaflet from a friend who visited her last year.

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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Waverley on Apr 05, 2009, 04:18 PM
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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Waverley on Apr 05, 2009, 04:19 PM
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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: KEV on Apr 05, 2009, 04:48 PM
Saw her once from a distance in the 80s and my brother stayed on her last year. A truly iconic ship that still looks like shes ready to take on the North Atlantic from these photos!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 14, 2009, 06:37 PM
Here's a really good link, well worth a read!

http://www.preservationnation.org/magazine/story-of-the-week/2009/queen-mary-long-beach.html
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Malcolm on Apr 14, 2009, 09:49 PM

http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/ (http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/)

That is a lovely site. I haven't seen it before and I'm very glad you pointed me in that direction.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on May 08, 2009, 01:36 AM
a little fun with photoshop

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2294042020055338351FFvfSx

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 on May 11, 2009, 03:13 PM
Has QE2 ever met RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Malcolm on May 11, 2009, 03:59 PM
The QE2's been to Long Beach - it's where she moored for Los Angeles. I think you could just something from the QE2 that was the Mary and vice versa. I think that's as close as they ever got though.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Bob C. on May 11, 2009, 05:28 PM
The distance from where QE2 berthed in LA, San Pedro, to where QM is berthed, Long Beach, is 5 miles (8 km) as the crow flies.  I can't say for sure but I don't think QE2's ever been over there; however, the former Spruce Goose hangar became the Carnival Cruise Terminal  in 2003 where Carnival ships literally dock 100 m off QM's stern.  I find it hard to believe that Carnival never brought QE2 to that dock but then again, they never showed any real propensity for nostalgia as aptly demonstrated by the sale of QE2.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Aug 29, 2009, 08:27 PM
I haven't seen the "Mary" since the current management assumed control, but did stay on board the night before my wife and I boarded QM2 in 2006.  Honestly, it was fascinating, but in the end depressing.  The guest rooms were "early Holiday Inn" (cheap carpet, bare fluorescent wall fixtures, cheap portable TV on a floor stand, etc), and many of the public rooms looked tired and "beaten up".  Damage to veneers was everywhere, and much furniture was inappropriate.  Let's hope she is faring  better these days, but current interest by real estate developers is really based on the perceived value of the shoreside acreage, and not the ship herself.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Kathy M. on Aug 29, 2009, 10:36 PM
There is a YouTube video of the two Marys "meeting" in Long Beach - it's one of my favorites!!

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Kathy M. on Aug 31, 2009, 12:13 AM
Thanks for fixing the video, Isabelle!!  Isn't it cute?!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 31, 2009, 12:35 AM
Thank you, Kathy!

That video does tug at your heartstrings... very poignant, I find...

Particularly when you know that the younger Mary has walked off with one of the whistles of her older namesake! But it is lovely to think that the same whistle is still out on the high seas even now!

I wonder whether the older Mary's whistle is sounding a lot thinner as a result?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 31, 2009, 12:49 AM
I wonder whether the older Mary's whistle is sounding a lot thinner as a result?

Original Mary still has her full compliment of whistles - they made her an exact replica and fitted it in place of the one donated to QM2.

None of the whistles on either ship, however, will sound right as I don't think any of them are driven by steam any more :(
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: richc1977 on Sep 01, 2009, 08:54 PM
You can hear the foward funnel whistle sounded on my website here

http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/ (http://maritime.elettra.co.uk/queenmary/)

There is a direct link on the front page.  Rob, you're right - they are driven by compressed air.  But then, I guess they must be on the QM2??

Edited to say.......

The videos I took were from either bridge wing, but from a distance the sound is quite different, not sure why.......
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Scott on Sep 10, 2009, 06:43 PM
Richard - Your web sites are great!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: richc1977 on Sep 10, 2009, 11:38 PM
Thanks Scott.  Sometimes I think I should get out more :o)

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Sep 24, 2009, 08:07 PM
Im booked on the Queen Mary for two nights in October,a Sunday and Monday and really want to find out what things l must see and do,or anything l shouldnt do?
 Any areas off limits to overnighting guests, that are worth poking my nose into
 What advice/tips would you give to  a Queen Mary virgin.. ;)
 Cheers
 Myles
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: richc1977 on Sep 24, 2009, 08:15 PM
Just try going where you want, I did and got some good photos.  If you seem confident no one stops you.  I only got stopped by a burly security guard once but I just pleaded ignorance.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: luzparis on Oct 09, 2009, 09:29 PM
for you want to see my Queen Mary pictures? https://www.flickr.com/photos/40923761@N05/sets/72157622391791139/

i was sad when I visit this ship the damage of this ship it's amazing !!  :'(
and the situation in middle of nowhere!! ok it's in front of the city of long beach  but the area wher the ship is it's not very glamourous  lol
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Oct 10, 2009, 10:42 AM
Great photos Pat.

I think they've been doing work on her since your visit - I think things MAY be looking up for her finally.

Visiting her is definitely a mixture of emotions - but my overwhelming emotion was simply awe and amazement that she existed in any form at all any more - she's now over 70 years old.  It is a shame she's not been better preservered, but one can still use one's imagination to truly go back on board... 

Seeing her at dusk, all lit up, gave me shudders down my spine.  With just a bit of screwing up of your eyes, you could imagine she was getting read to sail...
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: luzparis on Oct 10, 2009, 12:13 PM
sure when i visit the ship i was full of emotions  my last visit was last years and so many degradation !! on board !! i hope the owners make something !!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Oct 12, 2009, 06:10 PM
I find it hard to put into words how much this appalls me

http://www.presstelegram.com/search/ci_13535949
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: luzparis on Oct 12, 2009, 09:50 PM
oh my god the story of the queen mary ghost? i' don't undesrtand the concept
during my visit on board i have the opportunity to visit the ship free, a good knowledge of this ship you a have the opportunity to visit some space close for the public or to visit free the ghost part  ,and the first class pool was very strange because the pool is use only for this tourist attraction and the "decor" he's durty and  abandonned it's sad !!
in the futur i put some pictures of this pool in my flickr
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Kathy M. on Oct 13, 2009, 03:20 AM
I find it hard to put into words how much this appalls me

There is a show here in the US called "Ghost Hunters" that did a show on the Queen Mary - what cheapened the image even further was that it was found that the people who worked on the QM tampered with some of the equipment the Ghost Hunters people set up to make it look like a ghost was there (I assume to increase business).  The show is on the SyFy channel in the US - you may be able to find video of the tampered with video on YouTube.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Oct 13, 2009, 04:28 AM
I believe Myles (cunardqueen) is either making his trek out to see the Mary now or may even be onboard.  He'll be able to confirm if he saw any ghosts or not!   :P  Hopefully he will be reporting that the conservation efforts are underway now. 

Ken
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: luzparis on Oct 23, 2009, 09:58 PM
this is my pictures of Queen Mary interiors and outdoors i took this pictures un august 2008 I hope they decide to restore her she need a big works!! look the detail on lifeboats !! or the paint on the structure!! etc..
https://www.flickr.com/photos/40923761@N05/sets/72157622391791139/
Pat
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Oct 23, 2009, 11:01 PM
Fantastic photo's Pat!

Can anyone tell me is Queen Mary actually still afloat and if so does she need an annual hull inspection? I went on her once in 1971 but I was only 11 and cannot remember. Our family lived 5 years in the States. I'll have to look out my old passport as in the photo I've got my Queen Mary T Shirt on.

Cheers.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Oct 23, 2009, 11:16 PM
Yes she's still afloat, she's always been afloat!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Twynkle on Oct 24, 2009, 09:27 PM
One of the best things about Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and most of all Queen Elizabeth 2,
was that none of them seemed to 'pretend' - or try to be a re-creation of a previous era!
They were true, utterly genuine in every respect - each a fine example of their time.  :)

     





Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Bob C. on Oct 25, 2009, 02:27 AM
One of the best things about Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and most of all Queen Elizabeth 2,
was that none of them seemed to 'pretend' - or try to be a re-creation of a previous era!
They were true, utterly genuine in every respect - each a fine example of the age.  :)

Here here!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Oct 25, 2009, 04:22 AM
Yes she's still afloat, she's always been afloat!
Rob, it might have seemed a daft question but things can be deceptive! Look at this image of the SS Great Britain, she appears afloat but she isn't. I assume the breakwater around QM is to protect her from waves and tides? Would still like to know if she requires hull inspections for her safety certificates?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: luzparis on Oct 25, 2009, 12:03 PM
for me it's a better for ship conservation !! the great britain it's the good exemple  for QM or in the future QE2 or other?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Oct 25, 2009, 01:54 PM

One of the best things about Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and most of all Queen Elizabeth 2,
was that none of them seemed to 'pretend' - or try to be a re-creation of a previous era!
They were true, utterly genuine in every respect - each a fine example of their time.  :)


I think you have hit the nail on the head there with that comment.  I do think the the new QE(3) will NOT be utterly genuine in any respect, pretending to be something like the original Lizzy with the art deco inspired interiors.  QE2 must have been quite a shock to the Cunard loyalists at the time the the modern interiors.  I do not think we're going to get any such ground breaking design with the new ship, which is a shame.

Ken




Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Oct 26, 2009, 01:27 AM
Quote
I assume the breakwater around QM is to protect her from waves and tides? Would still like to know if she requires hull inspections for her safety certificates?

I was onboard her only last week, and was surprised to hear that a few weeks earlier she had been painted round the waterline and in doing so they shifted the ballst to make her lean over. Seemingly some of the staff couldnt cope with the angle and were sea sick.
 I did wonder just how deep is the water she sits in?
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/103/hotelqueenmary255.jpg)

These windows on the starboard side were opened for the first time in some 20 years on one of the mornings
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/836/hotelqueenmary515.jpg)
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Oct 26, 2009, 04:11 AM
Great photo's cunardqueen. You can really see her size. I'm still trying to find out if she is ever dry docks and how is the very bottom of her hull painted?
In my hunt found  this clip of her entering Southampton Dry Dock. Sorry if it been posted before.


Cheers.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Oct 26, 2009, 07:33 AM
Great photo's cunardqueen. You can really see her size. I'm still trying to find out if she is ever dry docks and how is the very bottom of her hull painted?
Cheers.

Yes indeed, great photos Myles, keep them coming!

Jem - she's not been drydocked since her arrival Long Beach.  To do so would now be a problem, since Long Beach's dry dock was closed years ago, and to tow her to a dry dock would pose quite a problem for them, since much of her structural integrity and balance was lost in the conversion.  Very sad.  I hope that if/when QE2 is "converted", that she at least remains safely towable...

Also - the excellent wikipedia article on her, says the red waterline was raised up the hull after conversion, because she sits so much higher without her machiner inside - despite extra ballast.

The QueenMary group on yahoo can answer any/all questions you may have - you can search all their past posts including many on dry docking etc!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/queenmary/
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Oct 26, 2009, 06:39 PM
Rob,
Many thanks for that information. The reason I keep going on about dry docking is because in Bristol there is a floating restaurant, and every 5 years she has to be towed across the Bristol Channel to be dry docked in Swansea/Cardiff to have her hull inspected. If she isn't dry docked she loses her license to trade.

Cheers.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Oct 26, 2009, 09:36 PM
Can't remember where I saw it, but QM is periodically surveyed by divers who check out her underwater hull plating and all of the various hull penetrations which were blanked off back in '67-'68 during her initial conversion.  The report I saw struck me at the time as being relatively favorable even down to the readings on her remaining plate thickness.  One other point with respect to the obstacles to dry docking--after 40 years I'm sure her berth is virtually silted in.  Last year they hauled the Intrepid out of her berth on the Hudson to NJ for dry docking and maintenance.  Admittedly she still has her screws which were a major source of problems, but it took the Army Corps of Engineers nearly a month to excavate under her and dislodge her from her berth--ultimately they did have to pull her screws to get her free.  Admittedly QM only has one screw, but that cofferdam around her wouldn't make it any picnic.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Oct 26, 2009, 09:41 PM
I wonder if the breakwater completely encases the ship.  It looks like it does from aerial photos.  If so, there should be little silt buildup with in the enclosed area.  She does need a new hull paint job from the looks of her in those pictures, but despite this, she is magnificant to look at and marvel that she still exists.  I have a shot of QE2 at night in Cobh and I recall when taking it, that the whole scene reminded me of the original Queens.

Ken
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Oct 26, 2009, 10:02 PM
The cofferdam is really an "L" shaped structure encasing her stern and starboard side--it's open at the bow.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Twynkle on Oct 27, 2009, 10:23 PM
New Managers for RMS Queen Mary
http://networkedblogs.com/p14920712
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Nov 15, 2009, 12:07 AM
The cofferdam is really an "L" shaped structure encasing her stern and starboard side--it's open at the bow.
Looking at the Google Earth image of 2007, she appears totally enclosed. Yet I'm sure I have seen the break water open at one end in another image.....confused ???

Cheers.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Nov 15, 2009, 06:35 AM
Here is the image.....
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Nov 27, 2009, 02:51 AM
Well that is pretty compelling evidence that she's completely enclosed.  I suppose that the breakwater would have to be removed and then the area dredged if she were to ever make it to a nearby drydock for hull repairs.  At least the breakwater will ensure that the area is not silted in.  Perhaps Cunardqueen can shed some light on this subject having recently visited the great ship.

Ken
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Nov 27, 2009, 07:05 AM
Good idea Ken. I just sent her an email. :)
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 27, 2009, 09:12 AM
Quote
Good idea Ken. I just sent her an email.
She is a he :) :)

By what l saw of the old Dame she is completely closed in, However she does still float and only recently they had painted the hull and shifted the ballast to make her lean over. Some of the onboard staff found it unsettling and were sea sick.
 What l would say that l found most unusual is that the vibration from the air conditioning units does give the throbbing sensation underfoot and l actually was waiting for us to sail away. And thats from someone who is completely sane and sorted :-X
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Nov 27, 2009, 09:46 AM
And thats from someone who is completely sane and sorted :-X
I just choked on my morning coffee!!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Nov 27, 2009, 11:36 AM
She is a he :) :)

By what l saw of the old Dame she is completely closed in, However she does still float and only recently they had painted the hull and shifted the ballast to make her lean over. Some of the onboard staff found it unsettling and were sea sick.
 What l would say that l found most unusual is that the vibration from the air conditioning units does give the throbbing sensation underfoot and l actually was waiting for us to sail away. And thats from someone who is completely sane and sorted :-X
Oh dear :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[Redder than a cherry tomato!! Sorry about that.
Many thanks for the information. It's a shame they didn't keep all her engines.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 27, 2009, 06:50 PM
And some photos of the breakwater...

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1605/hotelqueenmary070.jpg)
From the Bridge wing

(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/252/hotelqueenmary289.jpg)



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You know when you see this your on a proper ship

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6010/hotelqueenmary569.jpg)

Last seen G stairway QE2........


(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7176/hotelqueenmary260.jpg)
The Old Queen in her Glory

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/862/hotelqueenmary360.jpg)
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Nov 27, 2009, 08:46 PM
Great photos Myles.  Are there any other ships in service where you can see the curvature of the decks?  I suppose that the current method of building them in blocks has eliminated this.

Ken
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Twynkle on Nov 27, 2009, 09:46 PM
Hello Myles
What a superb set of pictures.
It's easy now to see why you are so happy after your visit to the Grand Old Lady  :)
Think I could be falling in love all over again, too!
Specially with the Liverpool life-belt ;)
Rosie.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: singlemalt on Nov 27, 2009, 10:04 PM
Myles,
Super pictures. Fab time it seems?!  ;D

Open questions for Myles and anyone else who can answer:

Can I ask how you what other guests were like?
eg. Did they see it just as a 'novelty' type hotel or an example of faded glamour / a piece of maritime history?

Is the Hotel side affected by other visitors taking part in some of the other activities? (am thinking Ghost Tours etc specifically)

How much time would you recommend staying there? (I mean, is it worth thinking of as a holiday destination or just a stop over for a few days?)

Is it a case of dressing in your finery for dinner and shimmying round on deck? (Or am I just wishful thinking and dreaming of glam evenings at sea....  :'()

PS Can half answer the last question there for myself!  :-[
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 29, 2009, 09:10 PM
Some guests do go expecting a modern hotel and cant quite get to grips with the ship thing, the reviews on trip advisor confirm that, However if you step on the gangway and embark accept her for what she is, a classic ocean liner.

 Queen Mary will slowly wrap her arms around you and gently hug you, where ever you look and walk she has things to remind you of her history and that she is  a ship. She has been lovingly cared for over the years and still has work in progress.
 Now as for staying onboard imagine you check in at 4pm checkout time is Noon by the time you have read the safety instructions in your cabin, gone on deck and tried to explore some of the ship, you really must do one of the evening tours, they show you the hallowed swimming pool which l gather is not offered on the day tours and that is  a sight!!! then you might go for a bite to eat evening walk round the decks, and drinks in the observation bar and before you know it it time to retire to one of the wonderful cabins (or suites ;))

 The original sink may be cracked, But ask yourself who all washed their face in that sink years ago, the original woodwork might not seem modern, and thankfully its not, give it a touch, Real wood !! the bakelight air vents, No on or off switch here, you just turn them open / closed, they may squeak but thats history squeaking, the push handle on the toilet, Look at it, you ever seen one like that before, the 4 taps, sea and fresh water cold and hot, where on earth (or at sea) will you ever see them ? look around the cabin and open every door, open every drawer, and do it again, thats workmanship, the vanity mirror l even saw my bald spot :-X, open the porthole, yes they do open, and no balcony!! Even better, why would you want to remain cut off  from the rest of the ship, you may have an original painting on the wall, look at it study it, that was new all those years ago, and when you do retire, you will have the bests nights sleep and if you should waken at some ungodly hour, dont move !!! just for a second, and its really only a second  your actually believe your at sea on the Queen Mary the vibration from the aircon is there, open the cabin door and look down the corridor, theres a hush all over the ship.
 Fill up the coffee machine and make a coffee, that  & the TV and fridge are the only modern giveaways, sadly there is no tea, the coffee is l gather good paint stripper, but then lm not a coffee drinker and they have that milk in those small cartons that are impossible to open, and when you do , you may wish you hadnt.. Go back to the comfy bed or do what l did and opened all the doors and drawers again (l am so easily amused, or just sad!!) and when you awaken properly have a bath, it may not be original but its as big as a pool, second thoughts have the shower its more eco friendly and all that.
 Breakfast in the Promenade Cafe, its Lido Green !!!! that was a shock and one l wasnt prepared for, the charming lady at the desk will seat you wherever you want and present you with a menu, printed with some funny numbers besides, l was in auto cruse mode and ordered the coffee and juice, some pastries, the hash browns, bacon sausages and eggs (over hard!!) and threw caution to the wind and had the fluffy pancakes with strawberries and had what for me was a QE2 breakfast, and as l came out of my trance l realised that l wasnt on QE2 but the Queen Mary and as such breakfast had to be paid for, it was room charged so save the shock of how much ( but really the price wasnt that bad anyway)
Picked up the Ocean Times daily newspaper for Queen Mary Passengers (not guests!) my guide for today, it changes slightly every day. Explored the promenade shops, lots of bargains and much cheapness and really by now checking out time was fast nearing! Thankfully l was booked in for 2 nights and l could do all this again !!!
 As a passenger staying onboard you have the free self guided tour which l was planned for the last morning, early start !! Was invited to join on of the other tours by Gregory one of the guides and a small token of thanks showed off my suite to the people on the tour, only about 10 folks but they enjoyed the chance of seeing something extra. In fact l was so over the moon with my suite, l could have showed the whole ship my sleeping accomodation...
  Really for me even two nights want enough, next time l would stay 3 or 4 nights and if you want to explore Long Beach then even longer. 
Queen Mary for me was always a thing l wanted to see but QE2 always came first for 22 years so at last given the chance to see Queen Mary l decided to start off with the Sunday brunch, probably the best brunch l had in my time in California and that included Vegas. Queen Mary had been full on the Fri and Sat even Sunday was nearly full. Weekend does make it more expensive and weekdays are cheaper and being single l went for the room only on the best available rate, next time l would call them direct
    It was also nice to see some behind the scenes bits of Queen Mary and also some of the other cabins such as the Disney Cabin which was rennovated when they owned the Ship and the Eisenhower suite was stunning
  The morning of disembarkation was strange, l really felt as though l had been on a cruise and the account under the door only added to that feeling. The crew onboard were great and l think enjoyed the chatterings of that QE2 guy, l certainly enjoyed chatting to them. And disembarkation bought me back to earth with a bang
 Now as for the fact was Queen Mary what l expected, she was all l expected and much more, to step onboard for me was a dream and l entered into the spirit of shipboard life.
 The passengers, during the day time were mostly day trippers (how can you be expected to see her in one day !) there were two large conferences onboard on the Monday which explained the Sunday night occupancy . A few British folks were staying over, Yes of course one or two didnt quite get the ship thing, but l do think in the main most did enjoy the Queen Mary.
 I know for a fact l loved my 2 nights onboard, and fell totally in love with the old girl, she  left me with the most wonderful memories. and l long to return to revist her as soon as possible.
 To sum her up if you like the old world style of a bygone era yes you will love her If on the other hand you prefer new world new build luxury hotels,  you may not quite get what she offers.
 But think on this, she has been in Long Beach now for longer that she was at sea, and that can only be a good thing. ;D               
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jem on Nov 29, 2009, 09:27 PM
Thanks for that Myles. I really enjoyed reading it. It really must have been like going through a time warp.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Nov 29, 2009, 09:28 PM
So glad you enjoyed it all Myles!  I look forward to my next visit, and my next beer in the wonderful observation bar!

One question - don't you think the entire ship would be better facing the other way, i.e. out to sea?  I remember thinking that.  It seemed odd to see a city out of her bridge windows.

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 29, 2009, 09:55 PM

Ocean Times. The daily newspaper for Queen Mary passengers

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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 29, 2009, 10:00 PM
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One question - don't you think the entire ship would be better facing the other way, i.e. out to sea?  I remember thinking that.  It seemed odd to see a city out of her bridge windows.

I must admit l prefer to see her the way she is for the fact that you can see her bow on from onshore, where as if she was berthed the other way such a view would be probably hard to see. But as you say from the bridge it does seem odd seeing the city in front of you
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Nov 29, 2009, 10:21 PM
If we compare with QE2 in New York, I can only ever remember pictures of her bow facing into the city...

... such as this, last year on our Autumn Colours cruise :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2865880459/

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But of course... I know... if one wants to have the idea that she is about to sail away, it would be great to look out to the sea...

Myles, thank you for your wonderful reporting! I cannot wait to try her out now  :D !

You may wonder at this question... I always thought that QE2 had this wonderful smell... what did Queen Mary smell like? Did she still have a shippy fragrance?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Dec 03, 2009, 10:44 PM
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Myles, thank you for your wonderful reporting! I cannot wait to try her out now   !

Well as the poster says......  :D

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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Scott on Dec 08, 2009, 02:14 AM
CunardQueen - An excellent review. There's something so familiar, like an old friend. An irreplaceable treasure. Thanks for your write up!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Dec 08, 2009, 12:48 PM
Scott,Thanks for your kind words, l must admit l really wasnt sure what to expect onboard Queen Mary, I did wonder if in my mind l had things hyped up for the past upteen years, and trip advisor did not make for good reading, However when you do see her sitting at the berth there is something magical about seeing a proper ship, you do realise that something very special is about to happen. And l cant wait for my return visit.
 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: hollihedge on Dec 08, 2009, 08:02 PM
Excellent review Myles - she is indeed most special and I look forward to visiting her again - I will stay on board next time instead of just visiting for the day.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Dec 10, 2009, 06:09 PM
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Looking at the Google Earth image of 2007, she appears totally enclosed. Yet I'm sure I have seen the break water open at one end in another image.....confused

Cheers.

And this in more detail.. (thanks to stowaway2k) ;D forget the main pic showing, its right after you click play

Queen Mary and Rolls Royce, Pride of Britain, envy of the world
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Twynkle on Mar 03, 2010, 08:54 AM
'Queen Mary is getting a long-overdue makeover
The company that leases the cruise ship turned floating hotel from the city of Long Beach is investing $5 million to upgrade rooms and restaurants....'
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-queen-mary3-2010mar03,0,5483185.story

So many words all meaning something different - Upgrade, renovate, refurbish, preserve, distressed, reproduction, shabby chic etc etc
As for 'Make-over' - what on earth does this really mean?!!
Hasn't 'Restore' got to be the best?!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 03, 2010, 09:27 AM
An investment of $5 million can only be  agood thing for a ship that has now spent longer as a floating hotel than as an ocean going liner. I for one cant wait to see her again, its just a shame they cant open more of her. Maybe less is more ;) And a new shop has opened onboard that sells Funnel socks !!!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Mar 14, 2010, 06:17 PM
reworked this a bit.  It's ok for being done low-res and on a cheap laptop   ;)

banned in Germany according to youtube, because of the music.

enjoy.

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Twynkle on Mar 27, 2010, 05:36 PM
It's Earth Hour on Queen Mary tonight!

'Long Beach, CA – March 2010 – On the evening of Mar. 27, the Long Beach skyline will look drastically different as the city’s iconic landmark, the Queen Mary, shuts off her lights from 8:30 - 9:30 p.m. in collaboration with Earth Hour, an international event bringing awareness to climate change and energy conservation.
As this ship’s horn marks the start of Earth Hour, the Queen Mary’s many exterior lights will be extinguished and interior lights minimized, with hotel guests invited to shut their non-essential stateroom lights off as well as adopt lasting environmentally-friendly practices. Guests and the community can also join a special Earth Hour candlelit reception from 7:30 – 9:30 p.m. with “unplugged” entertainment and organic appetizers and cocktails under the ship’s grand smokestacks on the Sports Deck.....'
http://news.hospitality-1st.com/DNC-QueenMary-031810.html
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Mar 27, 2010, 06:04 PM
Wouldnt it be quite nice to see the Queen Mary during Earth Hour with her lights switched off. And to take part in the unique atmosphere on deck.
I wonder how she would look, and when was the last time her funnel lights were switched off at night?
Title: Queen Mary Receives Overdue Overhaul
Post by: Louis De Sousa on Apr 03, 2010, 12:59 AM
Read it here

http://www.thelog.com/news/logNewsArticle.aspx?x=10770

Louis
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 23, 2010, 04:45 PM
Wouldnt it be quite nice to see the Queen Mary during Earth Hour with her lights switched off. And to take part in the unique atmosphere on deck.
I wonder how she would look, and when was the last time her funnel lights were switched off at night?

Have a look and you will get an impression at least :

Title: Re: Queen Mary Receives Overdue Overhaul
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Apr 23, 2010, 04:49 PM
Read it here

http://www.thelog.com/news/logNewsArticle.aspx?x=10770

Louis

Thank you for the news. I hope the overhaul / upgrade / etc. will not spoil her. One of these days, I do want to get to see her...  :)
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Apr 23, 2010, 05:17 PM
As long as they dont change the Champagne Sunday Brunch
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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Apr 24, 2010, 12:50 AM
Have a look and you will get an impression at least :


I had to suffer through all that nonsense until 3:33 into that to see that!  :o
Title: Queen Mary Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Jun 08, 2010, 12:40 PM
Has anyone here stayed on board the Queen Mary?
We are going Feb/March 2011, joining it to our cruise on the Queen Victoria, through the Panama Canal.
Which room should we try for.....we are going to book very soon. Also what else would you suggest we do while in Long Beach and staying on the Queen Mary???
Love Julie xx
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jun 08, 2010, 01:18 PM
Hi Julie, and welcome to the Forum!

As you can see, I have moved your message into a thread that will answer many of your questions. If you manage to go to Long Beach (and I hope you will!), we shall be looking forward to your traveller's tales. Myles (Cunardqueen) above has already made us realise what a treasure she still is.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Jun 08, 2010, 01:51 PM
Thank you have been through all replys and all looks good....printing off to read later
Thank you again.......By the time we return from our cruise in March we will be Platinum members. My partner and I will be so proud. We are cruising on Queen Elizabeth in Novemember and go to NY on QV in Jan to see the 3 queens. We were on QM2 in 2008 for the then 3 Queens inc QE2 which was fantastic. We shall be in battery Park this time watching from dry land.
Love the web site

xxxxx
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Bob C. on Jun 08, 2010, 04:59 PM
Julie,
    My family and I stayed onboard for 2 nights about 4 years ago.  All the rooms are comfortable and the ship is thrilling to explore.  If you do get a room closer to the bow or stern then be prepared for a sloping floor since QM's decks are sheered - higher on the ends, lower in the middle.  We stayed on B Deck aft and there was quite a slope.  It was originally a second class stateroom on the starboard side just aft of the original tourist class men's and ladies hair dressing salon.

    If you are looking for the full QM experience then get one of her original rooms (as built) on the Main Deck and I believe there may be a few on A Deck.  The room we stayed in was originally two staterooms and expanded during her conversion.  It was an average hotel room but I found it interesting to research what the original configuration was. 

    Also try to get a room on the starboard (right) side of the ship.  That way you have "ocean" and Long Beach views.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jun 08, 2010, 05:55 PM
Julie

As for booking a cabin, l would tend to call them up and explain what you want, Thats what l intend to do for next year, l just need to know what shift he will be working ;)  Using a booking agency they will just give a bog standard room

Now another tip is are you in the AA (and no l dont mean friends of Bill W) if you are and your card shows on the back the logo "show your card and save" you might/will and should be able to participate in the tripple AAA Club (the American AA) you can check out their rates and save some $. The Queen Mary website shows how much you can save. Some companies accept it no problem, others wont have a clue what your on about , but blagg away !!! you have nothng to lose (that goes for most American hotels ask for the "Tripple A" discount.
 
As Bob C says. try and ask for an original cabin, and prepare to be amazed. Do take time to look at all the nooks and crannies in the cabin, and remember how old it all is.
Weekends are pretty busy, mid weeks are quieter and you must try the Sunday Brunch...

Another thing, do feel free to ask any questions on here, you can be assured of a good honest answer.   
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Jun 09, 2010, 01:40 AM
Hi Julie,

Your timing is good, because Hotel Queen Mary has improved greatly under new management.

I've stayed over many times, and it never gets old.

My best advice is, when checking in, ask to see a few available rooms, and then choose the one you like best.   No two cabins on the Queen Mary are exactly the same, actually the differences can be startling.  When  making your booking be sure to request an "original condition first-class cabin with a harbour view".  Don't say "starboard", that'll just confuse them.  ;)
While the port cabins are equally stunning, the view of the parking lot isn't.  Some are directly over the service yard and you sure don't want one of those.
Why stay on a ship and not see the water from your cabin porthole? 
None of the cabins are in, strictly speaking, "original condition", but some have been tragically "modernized" and you don't want one of those.   All will have a mini-fridge, flatscreen television, Ipod docking, and internet capability.
There are fine first class cabins on Main, A, and B decks, all midships, so don't worry about which deck, unless you want a deluxe suite which are all on Main Deck.

Like Myles said, don't be shy about asking questions.   ;D
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Jun 09, 2010, 12:26 PM
Thank you all.............we plan to put by some time next Wednesday evening to sort it all out and I will ring and book as you suggest. This might be our one and only visit....better do it right.
By the time we have been on the QM we will have succeeded to be on all of the main cunard Liners, except the first QE that is. being my partners aim.
We have defered flights for 3 nights at the beginning of our cruise ....I am still unsure whether to take all 3 on QM or fly to Las Vegas for 1 night..............any suggestions here?  I would like to see Donny and Marie, but if there is plenty to do in and around Long Beach we will  stay and absorb all given to us.
PS we live in UK

xxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Bob C. on Jun 09, 2010, 02:07 PM
From my experience (been there multiple times), Vegas in 1 night is very difficult - too much to see and do.  I'd make a separate and/or longer visit if possible. 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jun 09, 2010, 08:06 PM
I guess its personal choice but to maximise your time Checkin on the QM is from 4pm depending on how busy they are your room maybe ready earlier. So you could plan to arrive around lunch time have a snack onboard leave the cases with the bellboy and go off exploring then checkin when the cabin is ready. Already by then you will get an idea to the ship. If there are conferences on the ball room may be out of action, but they do include the self guided tour for hotel guests. That is good in that you can pace yourself as to how slow or quick you do it.  There is a tour in the evening which is the only one which shows you the swiming pool, l enjoyed that. For what its worth l stayed two nights and the seond day gave me longer to explore,but lm looking at going back for 3 nights and maybe to explore Long Beach, I have no idea what Long Beach has to offer. Checkout time on QM is noon

 I did post last night the hotel directory have a read of it, it gives an insight as to some of the things, menus etc

 Las Vegas in a night!!! I think as Bob C says its possible in one night, Im not sure l could spend a week there BUT a weekend is a nice break, l would suggest you go for  a hotel in the middle of the strip. l stayed in the MGM Grand, Nice BUT it was just a hotel, no wow factor and just slightly out of the action. And no matter what time of day or night Its always busy,  just wasnt prepared for how busy it was and time does pass you by l was parading the street at 2.30am totally unaware of the time, and it felt safe there. It might surprise you just how cheap the hotels are even at weekends they are still resonable, well compared to the UK
 On a side note lm paying £170 for  a night in Glasgow in 2 weeks, the price lm choking on and do find hard to swallow, But thats me.
 Oh congratulations on managing to travel on the major Cunard ships ;D
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Jun 09, 2010, 08:41 PM
For one of my stays on the Queen Mary, I took with me some select items from my liner collection.
Original in-service items from the Queen Mary, back on board again, in cabin A152


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seen are a tea service which includes tea cup and saucer, pitcher, creamer and  sugar; an espresso cup and saucer, cabin telephone (only in 1st cl. cabins), a silver vase, ashtray and matchbook, cigar ashtray, and cabin thermos,  
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Jun 11, 2010, 02:03 AM
What a fabulous idea, Kyle, to "stage" the room the way is was. :)  Too bad they could not get replicas made and use them....scratch that....they'd never stay aboard the ship.   ::) I do wonder if a replica phone could be made with modern innards though...
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Jun 17, 2010, 09:39 PM
mea culpa.  My memory failed me!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jun 18, 2010, 11:17 AM
I wonder what housekeeping thought when they entered the room... ;)
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Jul 28, 2010, 11:36 PM
Dear All,
Have just booked our 3 night stay on the QM..........wwwhhhoooo.........Feb - Mar 2011
will let you know all about our stay........prior to QV and Panama Canal Cruise and my 50th birthday !!!!!!!
Lot of Love
Julie xxxx
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 29, 2010, 08:58 AM
Julie,
 I just know you will enjoy the old lady, when you do embark she will grab hold of you! I was must surprised at how much l enjoyed my time on her last year, So much so that by the time you are there l will have been and gone again.
 If its any help, the directory of services has been scanned and is on here, its tells to a load of stuff before you embark so you can be prepared.
 Have fun!! and a Great 50th!
 Myles
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Jul 29, 2010, 09:15 AM
Thank you Myles, so excited about our stay, but then we are for all our stays with Cunard. Decided against Las Vegas and to spend our time totally with QM and Long Beach.................

What is our best form of transport from the airport?
How long will it take?

Enjoy your future stay...dont take too much away with you when you leave her :-)...........
.i may even see with your eyes, hopefully.
We are lucky to own the naming ceremony programme so i will try to absorb some of the history before I go.

Love Julie xx
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Bob C. on Jul 29, 2010, 02:21 PM
I've been going to QM since 1983 and have never seen the wall open. 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Cruise_Princess on Jul 29, 2010, 08:15 PM
Re the Queen Mary Lifebelt previously pictured a few posts ago...

does anyone know where I could get either stencils or transfers of the Gold Cunard Lion on there?  Im re creating my own lifebelt and need something good to get the lions right,....
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Aug 02, 2010, 10:32 AM
Hi all
What is our best form of transport to the QM?
How long will it take?
Julie xx
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Aug 02, 2010, 12:21 PM
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Hi all
What is our best form of transport to the QM?
How long will it take?
Julie xx

There is a bus service the arrives and departs from the Queen Mary. But where and when it goes l have no idea Its called "The Passport" and seems to run a free service.  Certaintly in the evenings it seemd to run half hourly and that was quite late at night
 Not quite sure how expensive the local taxis are, guess it depends where your coming from.
 Hope this helps
Myles
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: QueensFan on Aug 02, 2010, 04:22 PM
Hey Julie,

When I arrived at Los Angeles Union Station after a cross-country rail journey to QM, I was able to take the LA Metro rail lines to QM pretty easily. It was $5 a person, and a nice train system. Took maybe an hour from LA-Long Beach, and then I took the free Passport bus Myles mentioned to the ship, where I was deposited right in the carpark.

Where will you be approaching her from? If you're interested in the Metro idea, I can help you figure out how to go about. It's a pretty easy-to-use system -- considering I never knew that LA, car-dependent city of America, had a really good rail system!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Aug 03, 2010, 09:40 AM
Hi Cunardqueen and Queensfan,

We will be arriving at LA airport from Manchester England...................all advice will be helpful
Thank you Julie xx

I will check on the internet those you have already suggested thank you
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Aug 03, 2010, 03:54 PM
Hi Cunardqueen and Queensfan,

We will be arriving at LA airport from Manchester England...................all advice will be helpful
Thank you Julie xx

I will check on the internet those you have already suggested thank you

Taxi
LAX-Queen Mary would cost about $63.26. That is roughly $73 with a 15% tip. It is about 22.4 miles. There is a $2.50 surcharge for trips from LAX Airport.
http://la.taxiwiz.com/?lang=en

Supershuttle shared-van or car service
https://www.supershuttle.com/Rez/RateDetails.aspx?Location=Rates
the rates for the shared van are good, $17p/p, but it can be a while before you reach your destination.  Departing LAX they will circle around three times before leaving if they do not have a full load of passengers (guests? ;)) and there could be one or two other stops before you arrive.  This on top of waiting at the airport for your van to arrive.
Their rates for car service are competitive with other L.A. car services, just to give you an idea.

There is no tram or light rail serving LAX

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: jadherrick on Aug 04, 2010, 08:06 AM
Thank you all very much......xx
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: richc1977 on Nov 19, 2010, 06:35 PM
An interesting article about the completed restoration of the Queen Mary's cabins

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/11/queen-mary-renovation-completed.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/11/queen-mary-renovation-completed.html)

And a fantastic photo of one of the restored cabins, looking very lovely!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01348917443e970c-pi (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef01348917443e970c-pi)

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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 19, 2010, 07:02 PM

The photo looks awfully like the Phinney suite l had last year, Personally l dont like the new bed cover
This was occupied by Sir Percy Bates on her maiden voyage

But l should be there in under 9 weeks... and lm beside myself with excitement ;D
To actually stand in the middle of such a glorious suite and just look around and imagine who has stayed here over the past 70 years, is simply quite amazing. And the stupid things like opening the drawers getting up close with the walls and fixings, if l remember correctly this suite had 6 doors .
The only negative comment, No tea bags !!! But then America doesnt do Tea :D 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Nov 19, 2010, 07:57 PM
Thank goodness they apparently replaced those "bare bulb" industrial style fluorescent fixtures that an earlier management had installed in the rooms when they converted the ship from 220v to 110v.  They were incredibly jarring against the 1930's woodwork.  I'm glad they didn't replace those original bathrooms even if the original crazy tubs have no flat spot to stand on for showering.  They are curved even on the bottom, and I can tell you that the Queen Elizabeth had the same type and they were a challenge when the ship was rolling!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Nov 19, 2010, 11:22 PM
That looks an excellent cabin; exactly how I would like a cabin to be on a voyage, or how a good hotel room should be.

Disagree with you slighty about the bedding - the deep red and green based colour scheme goes well with the woodwork, though I would very much prefer sheets and blankets with a bedspread rather than a duvet - if there is one thing I hate it is getting tangled up in a duvet!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Bob C. on Nov 20, 2010, 02:34 PM
Quoted from the article below, the current owners understand the importance of preserving her heritage.  Hopefully QE2 will get the same respect!

“It was important for us to maintain the ship’s authenticity and historic appeal,” said General Manager Uwe Roggenthien. “But there are amenities that today’s traveler expects from a destination like the Queen Mary, and the renovation program meets those expectations.”
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Nov 21, 2010, 11:39 PM
The room looks very lovely to me except for the very dull carpet - in service mary seemed to have lovely luxury jolly art deco rugs everywhere in the photos i've seen - and the bedspread which to me looks very 80s!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 22, 2010, 12:24 AM
I just didnt like the plain white bed spread , coverlet or whatever you call them in the photo, l tend to put the case on the bed to unpack and would be concerned that a white things shows up every mark, where as the more coloured one can hide all things.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 on Nov 27, 2010, 03:29 PM
Looks like Queen Mary has had her exterior repainted


She looks brand new!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Nov 27, 2010, 11:40 PM
Looks like Queen Mary has had her exterior repainted


She looks brand new!

 :)she looks lovely... and, I couldn't help but wonder if this was the first time that person used camera...    :o
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Scott Ebersold on Jun 03, 2011, 04:49 PM
Did you guys see this?  On we are Cunard, Peter Shanks shares his blog to celebrate QM's 75th.

http://wearecunard.com/2011/06/queen-marys-75th-anniversary/
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Twynkle on Nov 02, 2011, 05:37 PM
Bit of a shame that Mr Shanks wasn't able to manage a visit to QE2 when he was in Dubai.... :'(
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 02, 2011, 05:56 PM
Great how he harps on about the history etc and yet in the past few days hes done more damage to Cunard and the history by reflagging the ships.

It would be interesting to know which cabin or suite he visited? It looks as though he enjoyed his brunch visit, note the old style champagne glasses. And well done to Everette  ;D

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Dec 10, 2011, 01:45 AM

Queen Mary arrived in Long Beach, California 44 years ago today.

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Dec 11, 2011, 12:54 AM
That's a good find...

Must have been a very nostalgic moment, and I am sure the crew leaving the ship at Long Beach felt as sad as those who left QE2 in Dubai... perhaps worse, as they had sailed trans-Atlantic without passengers if I remember well..
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Dec 11, 2011, 04:35 PM
It was actually a rather fully-sold cruise from Southampton to Long Beach done as a charter to Fugazy-the travel agency.  If I remember they only used two props to save fuel!  Apparently when they arrived the Cunard staff left with the breakfast dishes and pots still dirty and hopped a plane back to England.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: highlander0108 on Dec 12, 2011, 01:08 AM
Don't forget is was also more than a transatlantic, but a circumnavigation of South America since she was too big to fit in the Panama Canal.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jan 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
Rather lovely night time picture here :

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6753407137_fdd4201267_z.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/26180730@N03/6753407137/)
QE2 Night (https://www.flickr.com/photos/26180730@N03/6753407137/) by CTrevathan (https://www.flickr.com/people/26180730@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Jan 24, 2012, 04:49 PM
Amazing and absolutely fantastic picture.




( Pity it's been titled "QE2 Night"... )
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jan 24, 2012, 06:43 PM
Rather lovely night time picture here :


Beautiful.  I remember standing at the marina on the left just gawping over at Queen Mary after spending the day on her, amazed that I had finally fulfilled my childhood dream of seeing her one day.  That was 14 years ago now... time to return I think.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jan 24, 2012, 09:23 PM
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   That was 14 years ago now... time to return I think.   
Rob,
 It sure is !!! and it would be interesting for you to see what has changed onboard in that time..
I do think that you get a whole new picture if you stay the night onboard.
She does come into her own when the visitors have left and you have the ship to yourself
If by chance you awaken in the night, open the cabin door and look down the corridor...
The atmosphere is quite something else..   
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: rmeneses on Feb 17, 2012, 04:40 AM
She doesn't look bad considering her age, yes she could use more tender loving care, but I'm just happy she's still around.  When we were married it was pretty neat because the chapel was the old smoking room, and our reception was in a room behind the forward wall of the first class dining room (the one with the mural and crystal QM & QE).  That room was added by adding a floor and ceiling to the number 2 funnel hatch (called the Windsor Salon), they did a good job of matching the room to the rest of the dining room, and the mural was done by one of my instructors at the Art Institute of Seattle.  We stayed the night as that was part of the wedding package, we even had a minister who was in a Navy Uniform (his own). 

The ship has peculiar smells, the dining rooms sometimes have that "food was here" smell, the remaining machinery spaces and gutted boiler rooms have a metallic/oily smell (hard to describe) but I have since smelled the similar smells aboard the Missouri, USS Bowfin, USS Intrepid, USS Midway...you get the picture.  Sadly the mooring equipment and steering gear skylight were removed (I think when Disney had the lease) because they had some kind of plan for the extra deck space (never realized).  My wife took her sister to the haunted tour and said the first class pool area was in a sad state of decay, (the Turkish bath area has been a shambles for a while now).  The "Corkoid" flooring in the "Main Hall/Shopping Center" was replaced, my wife and I have mixed feelings because part of the charm were these random dimples everywhere, and supposedly caused by the heels of the lady passenger's shoes and the tour guides would actually point them out!  The floor looks nice, but to me, it lost a bit of it's charm.

Don't miss the engine spaces, they are still a marvel to look at, the turbines, starting platform, shaft alley, the steering gear and of course, the last remaining propeller, that room freaked me out when I was a kid, it isn't the most inviting atmosphere, it's dark, the water is murky, the underwater part of the hull hasn't been painted in a long time, and the propeller and cone are pitted and tarnished (a fine example of how they would look polished is the polished cone in the adjacent corridor outside the prop box).  Hopefully your tour will include one of the gutted boiler rooms.  Fans of the ship will not be disappointed though, she still has much to offer, especially giving current and future generations a glimpse of the golden era of the "Superliner".

And the Tyfon whistle...she made the Queen Mary 2 sound anemic back in February of 2006!

 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 21, 2012, 09:07 PM
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  Hi Myles, Just as a matter of interest--did you manage a tour through the Russian submarine when you were there? I have a DVD of this and it is amazing to see inside the sub. 

No >:( and l wouldnt !!! I think it spoils the view of Queen Mary, and in my view it should be sunk....
However now that its operated in the short term by the owners of Queen Mary l guess it wont be moving anytime soon  ::)
The only good thing is that it does now sell some Queen Mary souvenirs.
 
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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Feb 22, 2012, 02:22 PM
Bobso:  Admittedly this was 5 years ago, but the last time I saw QM her funnels had been fairly recently done, and the hull struck me as looking fairly good.  I have no idea of the schedule for painting her, but my impression was favorable.  What bothered me were the hotel rooms where the cheap carpet, tv stand installation and mini-fridge, and those awful "cool white" fluorescent strip fixtures in lieu of the more mellow original incandescents all gave the rooms the look of a budget motel and clashed with the period look.  I gather that at least the carpets and tv's have been re-done in the interium, so the rooms probably look better now.  Overall, though, while the general impression was good the interiors certainly showed the effects of time, and much of the paneling could have done with some tender loving care--lots of chairs and carts banged into walls and doorways!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 22, 2012, 06:46 PM
Queen Mary was given a fresh make over, and in order to paint some of the hull the ballast tanks were filled and Queen Mary listed to one side so the exposed part of the hull could be painted, A friend who works onboard commented that seemingle some people felt sea sick with the unusual angle.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on Feb 22, 2012, 07:25 PM
Yes, thankfully the utility lines servicing her are rubber/flexible.  That could have been awkward otherwise!  I gather they can get some or most of the red below the boot that way, but I suspect not all, and she hasn't been out of the water since 1968.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 22, 2012, 09:16 PM
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Jan 2012
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and this was taken Jan 2011

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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Feb 23, 2012, 02:08 AM
yowza, it's nice that they painted the bootstripe, but it just seems to highlight the drab and faded paint on the rest of the hull, like wearing a new pair of dress shoes with an old suit that you slept in last night.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Feb 23, 2012, 08:50 AM
The Scottish Festival is one of the things that they get right, regarding use of the Queen Mary.
Another is the annual Los Angeles Art Deco Society Ball.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Feb 23, 2012, 08:18 PM
Quote
   The Scottish Festival is one of the things that they get right, regarding use of the Queen Mary.
Another is the annual Los Angeles Art Deco Society Ball.
 
 

  http://ink-n-iron.com/      (http://ink-n-iron.com/)
I do wonder if the above event  The Ink n Iron festival is the one that brings in massive revenue for the bars over the weekend ?
But is this best suited for QM.... ???
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: No 736 on Feb 23, 2012, 11:10 PM
No >:( and l wouldnt !!! I think it spoils the view of Queen Mary, and in my view it should be sunk....

Myles, I agree with you entirely, the sub has no place there and should go.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Feb 24, 2012, 01:04 AM
  http://ink-n-iron.com/      (http://ink-n-iron.com/)
I do wonder if the above event  The Ink n Iron festival is the one that brings in massive revenue for the bars over the weekend ?
But is this best suited for QM.... ???

Yes.

No.


In past years, there have been reports of rowdy behavior such as urinating in the corridors, and graffiti scratched into the paneling.
Although this annual event does bring in revenue, it casts a bad light on the Queen Mary and it likely prevents others from enjoying the Queen Mary.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: rmeneses on Feb 24, 2012, 07:05 AM
I appreciate the effort to paint the boot topping, but that red seems a bit dark, and almost burgundy (unless it's the way the photo came out).  Have a look:

http://www.iann.net/movies/poseidon_adventure/images/queenmary_longbeach.jpg

http://v4.cache4.c.bigcache.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/8320512.jpg?redirect_counter=1

It just pains me to see someone trying to do a good thing but getting it wrong.

Just my opinion...
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 on Nov 18, 2012, 03:22 PM
What is happening to Queen Mary in Long Beach is an absolute joke! The recent pictures posted on facebook is very worrying. Long Beach doesn't deserve her, give her to someone who genuinely appreciates her. 

Seems ok to ride bikes onboard now.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Nov 18, 2012, 08:10 PM
Step aboard,have a look round, sleep in a stateroom, shes still in pretty good shape. Then decide if Long Beach are doing such a crap job. Ok she has a lot of unused space that is used as storage etc, But do they really need to bring it back into public working? If we are expecting her to be returned to her original state, then we do need to wake up and small the coffee it all costs money and that money must come from somewhere.
 In an ideal world this would be great but its not an ideal world we live in.
I defy anyone who seeing QM at Long Beach from a distance not to be overawed, then to actually step onboard it is an amazing experience.
 
Ok perhaps some of the things are not ideal the ink festival etc but in terms of income, it is exactly that income, it keeps her alive.
A lot of what is shown is behind the scenes, and we have no right to be there.
Dear old QE2, much as though we love her, if we saw behind the scenes on her we might be shocked. I know l was!
Queen Mary has had various owners over the years and all have tried to impress or put their own stamp on her, have they succeeded ? the experts(?) might say No but ask the paying guests it is ultimately them who are putting bums on seats and in effect keeping the girl alive.
I look forward to my visits to Long Beach only to see the Queen Mary. Im not an expert in what is right and wrong onboard but l do know l love her to bits, she has a style and and atmosphere all her own . 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Stowaway2k on Nov 26, 2012, 07:46 AM
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Step aboard,have a look round, sleep in a stateroom, shes still in pretty good shape.
This is mostly true, for a ship of her age, the ol'gal is allright.  Plenty of issues, but the bad stuff is far outweighed by the good. 

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Ok she has a lot of unused space that is used as storage etc, But do they really need to bring it back into public working?

No, but what they need to stop doing is the continuing loss of what IS original, either through neglect for outright ignorance. 


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If we are expecting her to be returned to her original state,

I'm not so sure anyone truly believe that this is possible.  But, there is much that could be done to put the breaks on the loss of what still remains from her service life.

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I defy anyone who seeing QM at Long Beach from a distance not to be overawed, then to actually step onboard it is an amazing experience.

Yes.   Yes!
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A lot of what is shown is behind the scenes, and we have no right to be there.
This is true, but it does not mean that we don't have the right to awareness.   

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Queen Mary has had various owners over the years and all have tried to impress or put their own stamp on her, have they succeeded ?
Exactly two owners,  the Cunard Line and the City of Long Beach.   It's the leaseholders, the management companies, that have been "putting their own stamp on her", with the helpful "hear no evil, see no evil" of her single post-Cunard owner.

 
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the experts(?) might say No but ask the paying guests it is ultimately them who are putting bums on seats and in effect keeping the girl alive.
The same argument can be used to say that it's the lack of bums on seats that is keeping the girl in peril.  Her full potential in Long Beach has never been realized, for a variety of reasons, but ultimately the buck stops with the City of Long Beach, as they own her and she is their responsibility.

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I look forward to my visits to Long Beach only to see the Queen Mary. Im not an expert in what is right and wrong onboard but l do know l love her to bits, she has a style and and atmosphere all her own . 


Indeed, well said.   :)
Long Live the Queen
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Mar 23, 2013, 12:32 PM
An interesting  Cunard blog by Everette Hoard and I am the Honorary Commodore of the Queen Mary.   The occasion was the Queen Elizabeth cruise ship visit to Queen Mary at Long beach.  But the blog focusses on the Queen Mary and her sister ship the original Queen Elizabeth.
 
http://wearecunard.com/2013/03/a-royal-rendezvous-queen-elizabeth-meets-queen-mary-at-long-beach/
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on May 24, 2014, 01:03 AM
The Queen Mary is my favorite liner.


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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Graham Taylor on May 24, 2014, 12:30 PM
I much preferred the look of the Queen Elizabeth to the Mary with what was then a more contemporary design such as no Well Deck and uncluttered decks. There can be no doubt, however, that Queen Mary was the more popular of the two ships.

It was a tragedy that so much of Queen Mary's internal spaces was ripped out to make way for the abortive Maritime Museum. So much was lost and so little original to her sailing days was left, except for some of the showcase public rooms and the Cabin Class (1st Class) Staterooms. This also greatly affected the hull integrity, which is one of the reasons why her Cabin Class swimming pool is not filled with water and used by the Hotel guests.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Adam Hodson on May 24, 2014, 12:56 PM
I much preferred the look of the Queen Elizabeth to the Mary with what was then a more contemporary design such as no Well Deck and uncluttered decks. There can be no doubt, however, that Queen Mary was the more popular of the two ships.

I've always prefered Queen Elizabeth aswell. The two funnels made her look better in my eyes too.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Adam Hodson on May 24, 2014, 12:57 PM
It was a tragedy that so much of Queen Mary's internal spaces was ripped out to make way for the abortive Maritime Museum. So much was lost and so little original to her sailing days was left, except for some of the showcase public rooms and the Cabin Class (1st Class) Staterooms. This also greatly affected the hull integrity, which is one of the reasons why her Cabin Class swimming pool is not filled with water and used by the Hotel guests.

Thanks for that info.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on May 24, 2014, 09:47 PM
If you do the Evening tour, there is usually a chance to see the Swimming pool, its a bit creepy l thought, But none the less still a nice bit to be able to see.

As for the repainting of the hull, there was words of this away back in December last year, glad to see its been done.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jeff Taylor on May 24, 2014, 11:00 PM
FWIW, I totally agree with Graham in preferring QE to QM.  I've traveled in QE, and have vivid memories of crawling all through her when she was alive, while I've only known QM in her later years.  Still, although QM is widely known as such a happy and popular ship, QE actually was the better earner during the heyday years.  True, she had slightly more space for revenue passengers, but she was the more profitable of the two by a slight margin.   Also, the roughly 10 years between QM's design and QE's really shows in the cleaner lines of the ship and the relatively brighter and more modern interiors.  I do wish we still had them both.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on May 25, 2014, 07:59 PM
Ironically, I agree with the fact That the QE was more streamlined and better looking. I just prefer the Queen Mary for some reason. It is just special. It also doesn't help that what remains of QE is buried under Hong Kong's airport and that there aren't as many books on her. Sadly the QE is often overlooked.


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Title: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on May 25, 2014, 08:01 PM
FWIW, I totally agree with Graham in preferring QE to QM.  I've traveled in QE, and have vivid memories of crawling all through her when she was alive, while I've only known QM in her later years.  Still, although QM is widely known as such a happy and popular ship, QE actually was the better earner during the heyday years.  True, she had slightly more space for revenue passengers, but she was the more profitable of the two by a slight margin.   Also, the roughly 10 years between QM's design and QE's really shows in the cleaner lines of the ship and the relatively brighter and more modern interiors.  I do wish we still had them both.

It's interesting that the crew on the ships preferred the Queen Mary over the Queen Elizabeth because they knew it well due to being in service for three years before the war. The QE never had that chance when war intervened and the crew had to spend time learning a whole new ship.


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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Graham Taylor on May 27, 2014, 01:53 AM
I haven't seen a link anywhere else directing to this site so I'll post it here. These guys are enthusiasts who published an alternative and much more coherent plan for Queen Mary recreating much that was lost post '67. A pity though that the site itself isn't laid out in as coherent a way as their plan, but it makes interesting reading. I believe this plan dates back to around 2000.

The Maritime Heritage section takes you to the Alternative Plan plus there is some interesting reading in the other sections. The renderings for the renovation and redesign are pretty basic computer generated drawings, but there again these guys are not from a top architect or interior design company.

http://www.sterling.rmplc.co.uk
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jenny Roberts on Jul 12, 2014, 09:04 AM
We first visited Long Beach in 2004 and spent around six hours on the Queen Mary. We didn't get chance to visit the ghost tour as it was full up being school holidays etc. We went again in 2012 and this time bought the tickets for the ghost tour. It was awful, cheap and tacky. The first class pool was disgusting, dirty and wires hanging everywhere. There were plenty of 'ghosts',  tricks with lights and water flooding into the ship in the boiler room where someone was supposed to have died. The interior décor of the whole ship is faded and peeling. I could see a great deterioration from our last visit. I even sent a complaining email but didn't get a reply. I cannot understand why the main salon, dining room and pool etc are not on the main tour. We did sneak down the lift into the dining room to see the famous map. It was in the process of being set out for a wedding but again was faded and a lot less grand than it should have been.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on Jul 17, 2014, 12:58 AM
We first visited Long Beach in 2004 and spent around six hours on the Queen Mary. We didn't get chance to visit the ghost tour as it was full up being school holidays etc. We went again in 2012 and this time bought the tickets for the ghost tour. It was awful, cheap and tacky. The first class pool was disgusting, dirty and wires hanging everywhere. There were plenty of 'ghosts',  tricks with lights and water flooding into the ship in the boiler room where someone was supposed to have died. The interior décor of the whole ship is faded and peeling. I could see a great deterioration from our last visit. I even sent a complaining email but didn't get a reply. I cannot understand why the main salon, dining room and pool etc are not on the main tour. We did sneak down the lift into the dining room to see the famous map. It was in the process of being set out for a wedding but again was faded and a lot less grand than it should have been.

I went there in 2011. She looked great even with the things she has been through. However, maybe I'm too easy to please.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on Jun 21, 2016, 05:33 PM
Here is an article on the new plans for the Queen Mary area: http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-queen-mary-20160421-story.html

Hopefully the boutique hotel won't detract from the Queen Mary and the ferris wheel (if built) will bring more tourists to her. 10-15 million dollars will be spent on the Queen Mary and the entire deal for the land involves 250 million. I would like to see at least 30-50 million going to Queen Mary , but oh well. Hopefully Long Beach realizes her significance. The painting of the ship and regular hull inspections need to take top priority. Garrison spent 13 million dollars on the ship. So at least a total of 23-28 million dollars will have been poured into the ship this decade barring any further spending. The one troubling word (there are several, but zeroing in on this one) is "refurbishing" spaces instead of restore. It remains to be seen what the means, but on the plus side, they want the original woodwork restored. God save the Queen.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on Jun 21, 2016, 05:39 PM
I also need to add that the Scorpion Submarine is suing the Queen Mary for "raccoon infestation, rust, etc."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-submarine-20160609-snap-story.html
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jun 21, 2016, 09:36 PM
The submarine needs to be blown up, it does spoil the eye line
Good luck with whatever they decide to do, the trouble is when your out there all there is, is Queen Mary  and the public may not see her as being a big enough attraction. when you take a walk round the area and see the little village thingy its a shame to see such a state of disrepair.
First things first give the old girls hull a paint job 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on Jun 24, 2016, 09:47 AM
The submarine needs to be blown up, it does spoil the eye line
Good luck with whatever they decide to do, the trouble is when your out there all there is, is Queen Mary  and the public may not see her as being a big enough attraction. when you take a walk round the area and see the little village thingy its a shame to see such a state of disrepair.
First things first give the old girls hull a paint job

I agree. The sub feels so out of place there. The only thing I liked about the sub's presence has less to do with the sub and more to do with the amusing fact that it is perhaps the only place in the United States where a Soviet flag, Union Jack, American flag, and California flag fly side by side which struck me as more interesting than a Soviet sub. I read part of the Long Beach study on the issue of the land development and one of the major concerns it mentioned was that other attractions might draw the QM's 1.5 million visitors away from the ship which is obviously not what the point is. That being said, the paint job is perhaps the biggest priority as well as some of the side shell replacement. I actually think the starboard side might need paint even more badly but both sides need it, and the stern worst of all as there is a curious straight line with the paint on top looking more recent than below which indicates they never completely painted her stern whenever they last did. I vaguely remember seeing the village and not really paying much attention to its state of disrepair, but it was mostly because I was distracted by the Queen herself. I really need to go back and visit her again and hope to do so within the next few years. It's been too long.
Title: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Roy Warrender on Jun 01, 2017, 10:43 AM
 just found this Past posted Photo  By Rob Showing a Google Eye View of Queen Mary At long beach

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7338.0;attach=44983;image

I hope Dubai Doesn't have all the Shore side development To spoil the view of QE2
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Pete Hamill on Jun 02, 2017, 09:53 AM
That shows you what sitting in the baking sun does without constant maintenance. She looks very weathered in that photo.
The distortion in the photo at her bow also gives you the impression that she has run headlong into something at 30 knots!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Trevor Casey on Jun 02, 2017, 02:39 PM
That shows you what sitting in the baking sun does without constant maintenance. She looks very weathered in that photo.
The distortion in the photo at her bow also gives you the impression that she has run headlong into something at 30 knots!

Pete, The funnels are being repainted and the decking washed. I think they should spend more money on the cracked swimming pool..
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Oceanic on Jun 04, 2017, 01:01 AM
Atleast attention IS being spent on her, hopefully she can be pulled from her current state of decay.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Hank Hargrove on Jun 13, 2017, 09:53 AM
I should add there is speculation the ship will be repainted in July. I should also add they drained three feet of water from underneath the Exhibit Hall in addition to other projects. The second photo is interesting because apparently they used some sort of chemical that not only eliminates rust, but it actually converts the rust into new metal.

Note: Use the arrows on each photo to look at others in the set.


https://instagram.com/p/BVIVPd-lRN4


https://instagram.com/p/BUSZ5unFYLJ


https://instagram.com/p/BUkURlhFvOZ
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: dellboy on Feb 26, 2018, 05:17 PM
Came across this on youtube   claiming that she could even sink if nothing is done and repairs could cost $230million, seems excessive.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Oceanic on Feb 26, 2018, 09:19 PM
Came across this on youtube   claiming that she could even sink if nothing is done and repairs could cost $230million, seems excessive.
The current leaseholders of Queen Mary, Urban Commons, have been doing extensive restoration work both on the exterior and interior of the ship. Much of the rust that has accumulated is currently being dealt with via rust converting solutions and sections are being repaired with new metal. She isn't in any immediate danger of sinking, and given Urban Commons' stance, she should be receiving even more attention into the new year.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Jimbilton on May 29, 2018, 09:54 PM
Does anybody know if the London buses - two of which were carried to Long Beach on the Queen Mary - are still being used in the area around the ship?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on May 30, 2018, 05:00 PM
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  Does anybody know if the London buses - two of which were carried to Long Beach on the Queen Mary - are still being used in the area around the ship? 
No
While this isnt in the same topic there is a bus service from Queen Mary into Long Beach.  In all my visits, l have yet to get into Long Beach.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 30, 2018, 05:59 PM
While on Vistafjord we visited LB twice on the same voyage, once as a port of embarkation prior to a 2 month trip down to Tahiti and back and then on our return prior to sailing south  and through the Panama canal to Ft Lauderdale.

Sadly, not long after leaving LB we had a passenger pass away but, as we had no where to 'off load' her, she remained onboard for about 6 1/2 weeks back to LB.

A few others and myself had promised ourselves that we would go for lunch onboard QM on our return visit, and be back onboard before embarkation.

Unfortunately, on the day of our return the local police Dept and ME's Office staff came down to the ship not long after arrival, as the Ship's Agent had inadvertently told them that we needed an undertaker as we had a 'body' onboard!! They were under the impression that, whatever incident had produced this body, had only happened in the hours just prior to our arrival.
I was called to the gangway when they arrived and was immediately asked whether i had 'contained' the crime scene! They were mortified when i said no! Then i was asked what time the deceased had been found and by whom, when i said '6 1/2 weeks ago by a cabin stewardess, and that in the meantime the cabin had been deep cleaned and used as storage by Housekeeping, they were even more mortified!
Eventually i escorted them to the cabin, it was one of those small, single cabins on Veranda deck Fwd. Not the size to facilitate the bodies of several burly members of LAPD, i did smile to my self when only 1 could get in at a time and ALL wanted to see the 'crime scene!'  We then adjourned for a coffee where i explained what had happened and that the Dr had signed the death certificate, which was with the Ch Purser and the incident had been entered into the Ship's Log.

By this time it was late morning and the chance of a quick lunch on QM had receded with not enough time left to get there and back before i was needed for embarkation duties. So sadly i never did get to visit QM, much to my disappointment, but maybe one day!!!

As a post note; the lady, aged about 80, had died of natural causes not long after returning to her cabin from Dinner, sadly she was not discovered until lunch time the following day, when the DND sign was still on her door and, under Housekeeping procedures, The Security Officer and Housekeeper make entry.   
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on May 31, 2018, 12:01 PM
Andy,
My wife and I are booked on QM in Long Beach for the nights of August 20th & 21st, 2018.
I will definitely be active with the camera during this time, so will get & post whatever I can.

We are also doing QM2 from July 13th to 20th (TA to NYC).
No good me taking many photos on there - Haynes & Stephen Payne have already done that book.

Cheers,
Skilly
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 31, 2018, 07:17 PM
Andy,
My wife and I are booked on QM in Long Beach for the nights of August 20th & 21st, 2018.
I will definitely be active with the camera during this time, so will get & post whatever I can.

We are also doing QM2 from July 13th to 20th (TA to NYC).
No good me taking many photos on there - Haynes & Stephen Payne have already done that book.

Cheers,
Skilly

Skilly,

By sheer coincidence a charity i have links to has a 'visit' to QM2 on July 13th for a presentation, tour and lunch, 0945-1500.
I have said nothing to the organisers about having done 2 contracts on her including the Athens Olympics, that's going to me 'my little secret'!
I'm busy trying to think of 'difficult' questions to ask!!!

Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on Jun 05, 2018, 11:12 AM
Andy, I don't think you're going to have any problem finding 'curly' questions.
Then it will be, "What did you say your name was again"? Haha.

Joining the QM2 will be the first time I have ever joined up a passenger gangway - will be a novel experience - the queues - the questions - the instructions!

Cheers,
Skilly
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jun 05, 2018, 04:01 PM
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  My wife and I are booked on QM in Long Beach for the nights of August 20th & 21st, 2018.
I will definitely be active with the camera during this time, so will get & post whatever I can.
 
May l suggest you seek out The Honorary Commodore Everete Hoard and tell him your connection with QE2.
And theres no harm in adding l sent you ;)
If only you were going to The Sunday brunch....
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on Jun 06, 2018, 07:38 AM
Thank you Myles.
I will do that.

One of my ex-1st/2nd engineers (an ex-Southampton & Thornycroft man) here in NZ is ex-QM & QE in the 1947/55 period (says he was the 64th engineer, mainly in the shaft tunnels or steering flat!). Although now 89, he is still very sharp, and only just starting to slow physically. I promised I would get him some photos for old times sake - he couldn't afford a camera back then, and doesn't have a computer or access to the internet. His uncle was a stoker on the monitor HMS Sir Thomas Picton, so they have the sea in their blood.
He was absolutely flabbergasted one day when I pulled up my laptop, Googled the monitor, and so much info came up.
Cheers,

Skilly
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jun 06, 2018, 08:35 PM
Thats the man himself on the left...
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Brandon Sterkel on May 01, 2021, 12:39 AM
One of my favorite YouTube channels uploaded a video on the history of the Queen Mary in Long Beach today. He goes over all of the different companies that have operated the ship and the events that led up to the ship's recent bankruptcy. Just watching it for the first time kinda opened my eyes as to how much trouble the ship is in right now.



The QE2 gets a little mention in the video as well!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on May 01, 2021, 02:25 AM
Had forgotten this thread - I have lots of photos from our August 2018 visit & stay aboard Queen Mary in Long Beach.

Starting up top, I have never in my life seen so many different telegraphs on a ship's bridge!
There were no hand-held VHF radios back when this ship was built, so they have Mooring Telegraphs between Bridge & Mooring Stations, they have Generator Telegraphs between Bridge & Turbo Generator Rooms, Helm Telegraphs between Bridge & Aft Steering position in the Steering Flat, plus the engine telegraphs for the 4 propeller shafts! I did point out to the bloke on the bridge that he had the port shafts Full Ahead, the stbd shafts at Full Astern, and, depending on how long they had been in this position, he would be doing horrendous damage to the stern tube bearings! But he had no sense of humour at all!

Skilly
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Thomas Hypher on May 01, 2021, 03:12 AM
One of my favorite YouTube channels uploaded a video on the history of the Queen Mary in Long Beach today. He goes over all of the different companies that have operated the ship and the events that led up to the ship's recent bankruptcy. Just watching it for the first time kinda opened my eyes as to how much trouble the ship is in right now.

What I find the most concerning about this most recent bankruptcy is that the City Council of Long Beach have had a meeting regarding the *possibility* of transferring her to another city department - not selling her outright as I mistakenly mentioned here before this edit. I have attached the source of this information below. However, apparently the City Council stepped in and took over responsibility for the ship and her associated area when the Harbour Commission wanted to sell her off. If she goes back to being the responsibility of the Harbour Commission I understand the risk of her being sold off returns (whether that is a good or bad thing) as the Harbour Commission might not want her?

It would be a miracle in my opinion if the significant cost of her repairs would be borne by their taxpayers, also given they’ve let her get to this state condition wise over the years. Not enough people in the right places in authority or in wider society seem to care enough for the ship and will only mourn her when she’s condemned and scrapped in situ - if indeed that sentiment would even exist outside of us shipping fans and other niche groups with interest in her. Unlike what Jake (Bright Sun Films) mentions about her having to be moved to be disposed of, where she is - is ideal for scrapping whilst afloat. Her lack of seaworthiness (for towing) is no protection here, and should be more concerning if anything as it limits her options.

In my opinion she needs to come under full City control including operation but only if the will, funding (big question mark!) and commitment is there, otherwise she needs to go into fully private ownership and operation with significant financial backing. This split way of owning and operating clearly hasn’t worked and probably won’t as time goes on and her material condition deteriorates further.

Jake's (Bright Sun Film's) video here will however, hopefully rally quite a few more people to her cause though given the substantial following the channel has. Quite a few comments on the video mention they had no idea she was in trouble or to what extent she is in trouble, so hopefully this leads to a positive outcome in whatever form that could take.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 09, 2021, 10:32 AM
Fresh fears for Queen Mary amid claims 'urgent' repairs remain outstanding

The future of the RMS Queen Mary, one of Scotland’s most historic ocean liners, has been thrown into doubt amid allegations its operators failed to carry out millions of pounds worth of urgent repairs to the ailing ship.

https://www.scotsman.com/heritage-and-retro/heritage/fresh-fears-for-queen-mary-amid-claims-urgent-repairs-remain-outstanding-3227440
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on May 09, 2021, 04:41 PM
The usual cut and paste from a newspaper of various reports hatched together creating mass hysteria.
Granted there are parts of the ship in need of attention. And sadly right now Covid is a death knell for many good and great operations who are simply  shutting up shop.
 
But let's take comfort that it's being raised in the House of Commons. And we know that will do a fat lot of good.
But screaming Bankruptcy doesn't help, American Airlines filed for bankruptcy a while back, and look at them now
For what it's worth, under the "ownership" of Disney a great deal of damage was done, the cabins all had their worktops/ desktops ripped out, some didn't even have them ripped out, then marble was glued on top.
   
While it's sad to see the bridge wings closed off , the lifeboats are forever needing attention, the davits could be in better attention, but really if some were removed would that be such a bad thing? QE2 adapted very well, aside from the diehard ship fans , and lets be honest how many of them have visited versus the new crowd of tourists
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When l stayed over in one of the lovely suites a tour was passing by of Americans , l asked the guide who l knew did they want to see a suite, of course they all jumped at the chance, you want to have seen their faces and the various comments, most were bowled over, a few lamented that it looked old and worn, l pointed to the bathroom cabinet with mirror and said have a look and what do you see, there was no response, l pointed out people have been looking at that mirror for the past 80 years, the sink over there, people have been washing their faces in that at 28 knots in the middle of the Atlantic. I pointed out the 13 internal doors, my maid even had her own bedroom, which bought the comment did l have my own maid. Yes l did and she had the afternoon off.
I saw the guide later , he said they loved the suite tour and in fact one couple were coming back next weekend to stay in that very same suite. but i digress....       

When l board Hotel Queen Mary, l board with rose-colored spectacles, I'm not blind to the imperfections but  l hope and prey l can visit in December , given the various newspaper reports l fear, l will have them glued to my head with double thick lens. Let's not dismiss the death of Queen Mary just yet.   

   
Title: May 17th 2021 :Queen Mary report says urgent repairs needed to keep ship viable
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 23, 2021, 01:08 PM
https://lbpost.com/news/new-queen-mary-report-says-urgent-repairs-needed-to-keep-ship-viable-in-the-next-two-years
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 25, 2021, 12:02 PM
This isn't your usual article, its written by Geraldine Knatz who is the former director of the Port of Los Angeles and prior to that was managing director at the Port of Long Beach.

https://beachcomber.news/content/bowels-queen-mary

It all seems a bit hopeless for her unless something radical and very expensive is done and it doesn't seem like anyone in Long Beach places much value on her.

If they were to fill in her moat - so she's not floating - would that resolve lots of the issues?  It seems like it might, unless her actual structure would still be unsafe - e.g. if important bits of her could still collapse - but at least it would stop the worry of her sinking.

I've always thought that a liner hotel - out of the water - that you could go underneath, would be amazing but I realise thats a pipedream!

I dont know why everyone - everywhere - doesn't place more importance on her.  She's getting on for 100 years old, its incredible she still exists at all.  As a movie set etc. she would be completely priceless if some sympathetic renovation was carried out on her.  Even if you didn't know her absolutely amazing history, and how hugely famous she was in her day.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Peter Mugridge on May 25, 2021, 10:05 PM
If they were to fill in her moat - so she's not floating - would that resolve lots of the issues?  It seems like it might, unless her actual structure would still be unsafe - e.g. if important bits of her could still collapse - but at least it would stop the worry of her sinking.

I think that may simply replace one set of problems with another; it would change the whole dynamics of the stresses on her hull ( think HMS Victory, which is slowly collapsing as it is even with the masts removed ) plus there would be the ongoing corrosion risks posed by any moisture getting in between whatever they fill it in with and the hull.

It took a lot of calculations, money and precision construction just to raise the Cutty Sark onto a framework of supports designed to mimic exactly the neutral stresses of floating - and the Cutty Sark is a much smaller ship.  What they would spend on doing the equivalent for something the size and weight of the Queen Mary.... well... they might as well just do the full structural rebuild with that money.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Trevor Casey on May 26, 2021, 06:34 AM
I had an idea in which they either constructed or brought QM to a pre-existing dry dock within the area. My thought behind it was that it would be perfect for keeping her afloat, but it also gives them the access to de-flood and carry out the proper maintenance work that needs to be done in order to preserve her. However, this is all just fantasy and probably will never happen.

QM is directed to a very niche market, so it doesn't surprise me that there isn't a lot of interest in her. Hopefully there will be a turn around.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Thomas Hypher on May 26, 2021, 08:27 AM
I had an idea in which they either constructed or brought QM to a pre-existing dry dock within the area. My thought behind it was that it would be perfect for keeping her afloat, but it also gives them the access to de-flood and carry out the proper maintenance work that needs to be done in order to preserve her. However, this is all just fantasy and probably will never happen.

QM is directed to a very niche market, so it doesn't surprise me that there isn't a lot of interest in her. Hopefully there will be a turn around.

Sadly the only drydock in her vicinity that was big enough for her, and the same drydock she started her static use conversion in back in 1968, has long since gone. However, I'm not sure she'd even make it that short distance, were it still around, given her structural woes. She rode rather high on the short journey to her current spot in 1971 and her centre of gravity would be less than ideal I would imagine, particularly if she then also leaked like a sieve (likely it seems) and therefore fell foul of the free surface effect (such as where her bulkheads have been removed and the large empty former propulsion spaces) which doesn't require much water at all to be fatal...

Queen Mary is stuck where she is for better or worse and it's about making the best of that for the good of the ship.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Trevor Casey on May 26, 2021, 07:29 PM
Sadly the only drydock in her vicinity that was big enough for her, and the same drydock she started her static use conversion in back in 1968, has long since gone. However, I'm not sure she'd even make it that short distance, were it still around, given her structural woes. She rode rather high on the short journey to her current spot in 1971 and her centre of gravity would be less than ideal I would imagine, particularly if she then also leaked like a sieve (likely it seems) and therefore fell foul of the free surface effect (such as where her bulkheads have been removed and the large empty former propulsion spaces) which doesn't require much water at all to be fatal...
My thoughts exactly. It's quite a shame that nothing can be really done.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on May 26, 2021, 10:00 PM
Sadly the longer she stays closed , the harder it is to reopen Unless they have a skeleton crew onboard doing various checks , but a kitchen matter how clean always needs a clean after any length of closeure.

Heck even if they could keep her open for the Sunday brunches , that's a great source of income, and any hospitality venue right now needs income in whatever format you can get it. But ultimately, places of all shapes, sizes and quality are still going to the wall. covid or other wise as an excuse. l just hope Queen Mary isn't going to be one of them 

She is for many the only reason to visit Long Beach and sadly where she is located there is nothing else in the area to draw tourists. Im always surprised just how many locals haven't been to see her, and like wise they are surprised how l would visit her so often.   
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Chris Thompson on May 27, 2021, 12:27 PM
Although moving her anywhere is a major if not impossible undertaking, how about Dubai buying her and putting her next to QE2?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Trevor Casey on May 27, 2021, 05:48 PM
Although moving her anywhere is a major if not impossible undertaking, how about Dubai buying her and putting her next to QE2?
Actually.. they could technically swipe her up and turn the two ships into a hotel chain..
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 30, 2021, 07:26 PM
Demolishing her in situ has to be an option they're considering, surely.  And surely is by far the most cost-effective "solution" to the pickle they find themselves in after (a) making disastrous early decisions that meant she's impossible to safely move again and (b) decades of shoddy or completely absent maintenance leading to her current state of ruin.  I just cant see how they could justify pouring lots of tens of millions into her to make her ship-shape again.

Sorry to sound depressing.  I love her as much as anyone.  But the sums don't look good.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Trevor Casey on May 30, 2021, 10:05 PM
Demolishing her in situ has to be an option they're considering, surely.  And surely is by far the most cost-effective "solution" to the pickle they find themselves in after (a) making disastrous early decisions that meant she's impossible to safely move again and (b) decades of shoddy or completely absent maintenance leading to her current state of ruin.  I just cant see how they could justify pouring lots of tens of millions into her to make her ship-shape again.

Sorry to sound depressing.  I love her as much as anyone.  But the sums don't look good.
You're absolutely right. It may finally be her time to go. Unless the US Gov intervenes or she's marked as a national landmark, she may just be demolished within the next 10 - 15 years. She's literally the last transatlantic ocean liner from the time before air travel. She's the last great Cunarder aside from QE2 to still physically exist.

Makes me wonder about QE2 and how long we'll have before she's gone as well.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Thomas Hypher on May 30, 2021, 10:44 PM
Unfortunately my Dad and I have come to the same conclusion given what we've seen over the years too, Rob. I really, really hope we're wrong but then again everything and everyone has their time. My Auntie and Uncle visited Queen Mary a few years ago and found her a sad and neglected experience to the point they wouldn't return I don't think unless her fortunes turn around as it was too depressing. They are avid "proper" ship fans too, having sailed on some classics including QE2 and Saga Ruby. Queen Mary was on their bucket list too for a long time.

Trevor, QE2 is set to be the centrepiece of Port Rashid being turned into a residential quarter and marina. I heard about this from the senior people onboard during my visit and have heard the same from at least two other sources. Granted, given her track record in Dubai, we should take future plans with a pinch of salt but my gut feeling is she is here to stay in some form or another (whether we like what is done with her or not) for some time yet.
Being effectively landlocked as a centrepiece may work in QE2's favour in terms of longevity - Dubai are apparently taking into account hull maintenance as part of this too with talk of a temporary cofferdam when required every x number of years to that end. I will be sad though for sentimental reasons if QE2 is effectively landlocked by the developments (as a ship truly belongs at sea and should look as if she could get to open water in my opinion), but practicalities etc have to be taken into account and the realist in me recognises that, and I am grateful Dubai are taking her condition/material status seriously these days and are looking after her well in that regard after the dark days of the cold layup.
Dubai have deliberately avoided making the same mistakes as those made with Queen Mary after rethinking their original plans for QE2 in 2008/9 that would've made the same mistakes and perhaps ended up worse off even.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on May 31, 2021, 08:20 PM
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Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: June Ingram on Jun 01, 2021, 07:58 PM
It is highly unlikely that there will be any government intervention, as The Big U is still sitting waiting for help with none apparently forthcoming.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Peter Mugridge on Jun 01, 2021, 11:21 PM
It is highly unlikely that there will be any government intervention, as The Big U is still sitting waiting for help with none apparently forthcoming.

Good point.  They wouldn't support a "foreign" vessel over and above one of their own would they?  :(
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rod on Jun 02, 2021, 01:04 AM
Here is something from the US:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/story/2021-06-01/queen-mary-could-capsize-without-urgent-repairs-report-shows
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 02, 2021, 07:35 AM
And from the Daily Mail today

Who will pay to save rusty Queen Mary? Famed liner is in danger of SINKING without £16million of urgent repairs, documents show

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9642447/British-ship-RMS-Queen-Mary-risk-sinking-California-unless-16million-repairs-sanctioned.html
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 02, 2021, 12:07 PM
It is highly unlikely that there will be any government intervention, as The Big U is still sitting waiting for help with none apparently forthcoming.

Yes indeed.

Dream project : Both Leviathans are brought together for restoration into a joint hotel facility at the old piers in New York. 
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Chris Thompson on Jun 02, 2021, 12:19 PM
Hey...let her capsize and re-open as a Poseidon adventure themed exhibit! Just kidding folks, hope they can save her.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jun 02, 2021, 09:13 PM
Are we not rather like the early days of QE2 and Dubai, getting a tad hysterical over this .

IF she is going to sink, just how far will she sink, she not exactly floating in a great depth of water Or when they talk of sinking do they mean she will gently drop a few feet, and with the sudden impact, then collapse like a deck of playing cards . Now as for the capsizing and with all the many and great reports that have been published by the vast array of experts do they know which way she will capsize.

If the capsizing is to the portside then that gets rid of the sub, and that's saved a million dollars and if it to the starboard side, does that mean she will pull down the monstrosity that is attached to the berth  .

As for the Big U,How much is being charged per month to keep her there, every now and then theres a scare story to increase funding and nothing ever comes of it , In fact we are due a scare story sometime soon.
IF that scare story happens to be the case that Queen Mary is due to go very soon, can we expect the Big U to be towed over to Long Beach and they transfer all the stuff over then just pull out Queen Mary and slide the Big U into the gap. Given reading some of the newspaper reporting lm surprised we haven't had this version printed .     
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on Jun 06, 2021, 11:04 AM
Wife & I got a little tired of looking at the inside of the house so we packed the car and took off around the top quarter of NZ to get away from it all. Whilst wandering around in an antique shop, I found a book that had just come in from an estate sale - the book was first published in 1985, and was on sale aboard RMS Queen Mary for resident hotel guests only. Not a big book, page-number wise, but some beautiful historic photos of her life. Some are so large dimension-wise that my scanner may have problems with the overhang.

For the technophobes among you, here is the first one! I should explain that 16 turbine rotors comes from each shaft having Low Pressure Ahead - Low Pressure Astern, plus High Pressure Ahead, and Hi Pressure Astern. Repeat this for each of 4 shafts and you have 16 turbines in total. Then you have the electrical turbo generators as well. So there was some very precisely-machined & assembled large componentry down below!

This process will be slow as tax returns are nearly due here and so I really have to concentrate on that.

Cheers,
Skilly
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rod on Jun 06, 2021, 01:45 PM
Never realized that frames were sometimes  made of cast steel!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 06, 2021, 02:22 PM
Great find!

Why was the propellor going to Southampton to be fitted?  Was it going to travel by water to Scotland from there or were her propellers replaced for some reason?
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on Jun 06, 2021, 03:40 PM
Rob,

Newly designed propellers were fitted in July 1938 after engineers determined the originals were not transferring the power available into sufficient thrust. They must have been right - Queen Mary, in August 1938, set a new crossing time that wasn't eclipsed for 14 more years! The photo shows one of the replacement props. It looks like they may have changed from 3-bladed props to 4-bladed items.

Cheers,
Skilly


No, my prop in the box still shows three blades.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Pete Hamill on Jun 06, 2021, 08:43 PM
Here is a photo of one of the props in the walk-through box added for visitors to see how big they are.
Nothing to gauge them against for size unfortunately.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on Jun 10, 2021, 08:04 AM
Queen Mary Engine Room.

The first photo shows one of Queen Mary's turbines being assembled in 1934, after work was resumed on the ship after the stoppage during the Depression Period.

The following photos, taken 84 years later, show parts of the only remaining engine room as at July 2018.
The new turning gear in the 1934 photo has been brutalised - possibly someone tried to turn a partially seized shaft after not engaging the driving gear properly, or, more likely, as the damaged area of each tooth reduces on each successive tooth, the turning gear was engaged but the locking pin was not inserted, and the gear then disengaged itself under load.

Skilly
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: skilly56 on Jul 05, 2021, 11:43 AM
The first two attached photos show Queen Mary's 1st Class Dining Salon - they were taken during the maiden voyage.
(From 'The Official Pictorial History - Queen Mary'. By the RMS Foundation, L.B., Calif. 1985, who obtained the photos from 20 different sources as acknowledged).

The lower colour photos I took in August 2018 in the same room, when we were staying on the ship in Long Beach.
At the fwd end of the 1st Class Dining Salon (today it is called The Grand Salon) is a map of the Atlantic Ocean, showing the normal winter and summer passage routes of the ship. The position of the ship was continuously shown by a crystal model creeping across it.

At the other end (aft end), the artwork entitled 'Merrie England' is the largest piece of art on the ship. It would appear the image in the maiden voyage photo was reversed, as my 2018 photo shows the image flipped horizontally, and my image is true-to-life. In the 1936 photo the horses and carriage are going left-to-right, and in my photo they are going right-to-left.

According to our guide, Disney's stripped this room when they were operating the ship - wanted to convert it into a conference centre.
Later on, another operator of the venue discovered all the panelling in a shed ashore, and had it all restored. I looked carefully around the edges of the panels, etc, and could find no evidence of damage anywhere. However, it must be remembered, this had all been done before during WWII, so it was just history repeating itself! The guide was very obliging - he raced around and turned on all the lighting for me to take these photos. Many of the current staff are very proud to be employed aboard the ship (that was in 2018 - unfortunately everything has now changed in 2021).

The 1st Class Salon is so large it can accommodate Cunard's first ship, the Britannia, plus Christopher Columbus' three ships, Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria, all at the same time!
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jul 05, 2021, 12:49 PM
Very interesting and impressive photos, Skilly, and what an extraordinary size! This would be an astonishing room in a building on land, and the mind boggles to think of it being transferred to a floating object on the sea.

For the sake of copyright, could you please add the source for the first two pictures, which provide an excellent contrast and show how the room was actually used. Thank you.
Title: Re: RMS Queen Mary in Long Beach
Post by: cunardqueen on Jul 06, 2021, 05:22 PM
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Very interesting and impressive photos, Skilly, and what an extraordinary size!   
And on Sundays in Sunday Brunch mode the room is very much alive