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Title: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Cruise_Princess on Apr 24, 2010, 10:36 AM
Couldn't get too sleep last night ...ended up reading a back copy of World of Cruising ...2008 issue all about the retirement of QE2...and included various articles...one I was  reading..( don't  know how I didn't pick this up before)...all about the launch of our dear old QE2 at Clydebank...  the feature continued to tell us that this magnificent Queen was christened with a bottle of AUSTRALIAN WINE!!!!!!!!
Someone please  tell me this is not true........SURELY it was Champagne,,,,,,,,,

I'm hoping it was a misprint....as never heard this before....

Do you know????
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Apr 24, 2010, 01:17 PM
Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and QE2 were launched with Australian or Empire wine. Not using champagne was a sort of snub to the French. So QE2 was old fashioned wine I'm afraid.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Cruise_Princess on Apr 24, 2010, 05:16 PM
Thanks Michael...you live and learn thats something I never ever knew....

So what are the new babes christened with?

Lambrini???   hee hee
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Cruise_Princess on Apr 24, 2010, 08:19 PM
It's the Veuves Cliquot as the champagne bars onboard isn't it?

Hope the new Lizzies ' breaks this time!
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 24, 2010, 10:39 PM
There's another champagne - very much better than Veuve Cliquot!
Perrier Jouet was delivered to our cabin, complete with steward with white gloves and broad smile ;)
A very generous gift.  We loved it - it was perfect!
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Mauretania1907 on Apr 24, 2010, 11:45 PM
I am tempted to suppose that the Vista Sisters are christened with plonk (very cheap and nasty wine).
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Chris Frame on Apr 25, 2010, 08:14 AM
Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and QE2 were launched with Australian or Empire wine.

Aussie Aussie Aussie ;)
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Chris Frame on Apr 25, 2010, 08:16 AM
I am tempted to suppose that the Vista Sisters are christened with plonk (very cheap and nasty wine).

I doubt it, Cunard are proud of their Vista Queens and would christen them accordingly. After all, the cost of a decent bottle of Champagne pales in comparison to the expense of the elaborate naming ceremonies complete with Royals, fireworks and light shows.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 25, 2010, 10:13 AM
Hey Everyone!
Am I the only one that really finds it a bit difficult to agree with the use of the term 'christen' in relation to ships?
Historically, it would be really interesting to know when it was very first used - and where!

Remembering ships with 'slopey' hulls and tankers with almost flat ones that used to be launched with such style on the Mersey and other places too - champagne, big parties - both before and after the event, working men's night out, day off work, waving hats  (bowlers, worn by the 'toffs') women in their posh fur coats - all watching in awe, and almost deafened as the new ship pulled against the mountains of chain, couldn't wait to get sailing;  and the massive loud cheers, reports in the newspapers - and now, because the industry has shrunk in the UK, there's not much about launching now, naming or christening.
It seems Very Sad.




Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Cruise_Princess on Apr 25, 2010, 11:11 AM

Am I the only one that really finds it a bit difficult to agree with the use of the term 'christen' in relation to ships?




I take the blame  ( at the moment) for even saying christening!  Should have know better,,,I'd have been the first to correct someone saying such a thing,,,LAUNCH LAUNCH LAUNCH!!!  But of course the ships are not launched now..no slipway ...its just not the same I agree,,,but when ships are built from lego now we can't expect the proper launch either.....they are too fat to go down the slipway aren't they???

Yes ships should STILL be launched,,,but again its a thing of the past isn't it?

The recent Naval type 42 destroyers were all 'launched' in the old fashioned way despite being built lego like....but it looked good!  Wonder what champers they used?





Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 25, 2010, 11:31 AM
Hey Cruise Princess -
The comment about the use of 'christening' wasn't meant to be rude about you!
It's an everyday expression that's become ship-related -
and maybe it's been around for longer than I have!

By the way - did the RN use the expression 'christen' for their destroyers?

(Off topic here, and thought it might cheer you up!!
 - there's a magnificent photograph of the Ark Royal, taken in 1950,
by one of the best photographers of his time, Edward Chambre Hardman.
http://www.ntprints.com/image.php?id=346044&idx=0&fromsearch=true
If ever you are in Liverpool, go and see his studio in Rodney St - National Trust!)
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: cunardqueen on Apr 25, 2010, 12:33 PM
Correct me But why if ships are launched in Scotland do they use french champagne or Aussie Wine..
Look at the Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth and Queen Elizabeth 2. All well built Clyde scottish ships and yet they tarnish the hull with this imported stuff,(and please no offence to you Chris) Why dont they use the drink of Scotland... Malt Whisky.. Heck Scotlands other national drink Iron Bru could be a second choice....


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and now, because the industry has shrunk in the UK, there's not much about launching now, naming or christening.
It seems Very Sad.

Isnt that because of the very tight time schedules between naming (l much prefer that word) and the first of the Maiden Voyages. Lets not forget they need to get the travel agents onboard so they can see these new products and anyone who has attended a preview tour of the QM2 or QV will agree that Cunard do put on a good show. So that initself must eat up a chunk of the budget. Who couldnt fail to be moved by the lone piper on the deck of QM2 when she was named.
 At least Cunard do get a great name to name their ships, Wouldnt it be just so fitting and a source of national pride if Her Majesty the Queen could do this honour.
When you look at some of the other cruise liners and their naming, Cunard at least cannot  be described as tacky on that.     
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 25, 2010, 12:49 PM
Myles
Didn't all ships used to be named at the time of the launch of the hull and before fitting out?
The naming was done always by a woman, often by a wife of one of the Directors or Chairman - or a VIP, no matter how small, or 'un-famous' the ship, I think?
Wasn't it a shame that wives and girlfriends of the shipbuilders, welders, etc couldn't be included as a 'launching' person!
I wonder who launched the older Cunarders?
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Apr 25, 2010, 12:50 PM
John Rannie (boss of the yard) did want to use whisky to name Q4 but was overruled by Cunard. But then Cunard wanted the Beatles to perform at the launch and the yard vetoed that. Give and take I suppose.
Title: Re: So Jusst WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Chris Frame on Apr 25, 2010, 01:09 PM
Personally I like the Australian connection re: the Wine.

Michael, do you have any idea what vineyard it came from?

The Beatles, for a ship that was a 60's icon, would have been superb.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Cruise_Princess on Apr 25, 2010, 03:59 PM
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Hey Cruise Princess - The comment about the use of 'christening' wasn't meant to be rude about you!

No worries Twynks

 I Didn't take it that way....!!  I was kicking MYSELF for being so silly to even write 'christening'!!  It' s cause I was just reading it in the mag.....I was so damned annoyed at MYSELF!!!!  I HATE that word. in shipping......should ALWAYS be LAUNCH!

Absolutely no offence taken......I had to tick myself off for that foopah!  Good job my Uncles who helped build her are not alive or I would have got 2 kickings!! LOL!

And the Royal Navy use LAUNCH.....it was on all the tickets , programmes etc...the ship has the bottle smashed on her hull and she slides down into the water,.the noise of the chains deafening you as everyone cheers...its a very emotional moment.....


Have to say that don't think it would have been right for the WAGS of the yard workers etc to do launches...that just wasn't 'de rigeur' in those times...the Queens were built for the  'toffs' and it had to be a dignitary to launch them ....unlike the way its going now with P/O  etc its all the so called 'celebrities' that are doing it...which I think just tacky. (sorry  thats my opinion)

As for the Beatles to have been at the launch....good god  NO WAY. that was REAL bad taste for the launching of a Queen. Im surprised at Cunard even thinking that at that period in time...maybe its acceptable today but certainly NOT then.

When I started the topic my Mum said 'should have been scottish whisky'...which has since been answered!
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Apr 25, 2010, 04:04 PM
Cruise Princess: The Beatles were exactly the sort of image Cunard then wanted for their new Queen. ('Ships have been boring long enough'). She was to be a funky Queen. She became more regal as she aged I think. Ringo Starr was on her second crossing.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Cruise_Princess on Apr 25, 2010, 04:06 PM
CAll me old fashioned then.....spose it was in keeping with the 'FUNKY' new image of the ship....which nobody liked at the time either....
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 25, 2010, 04:14 PM
Weren't the The Beatles chosen partly as they were Liverpudlian through and through?
And yes, in many ways, QE2 did retain something of that generation.
Many of of us passengers were original, genuine Beatniks  :)
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: skilly56 on May 07, 2010, 07:46 AM
Yeah Twynks (I like that - sounds good),

I have never been crushed against the fence by so many beautiful young females in my entire life as I was at Wellington Airport when the Beatles arrived.

I'll never forget that day.

Skilly
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Twynkle on May 08, 2010, 12:17 AM
Yeah Skilly -
c 1964 - Off to the The Cavern, rigged out in black mini-skirt, wicked stilettos, CND badge, poppit beads, psychodelic T-shirt all hidden well beneath the new maxi (coat, not Austin!), pockets stuffed with Beat Poetry, Peter Stuyvesant and ready for the first Babycham of the night....We were a bit late, feeling very cool, definitely part of the Swinging Sixties; and just in time to catch A Hard Days Night.....
The Cavern in Mathew St was little more than a stones throw from the Cunard Building!



And just in case you didn't get to see any of The Beatles on QE2, here's Ringo!
Thanks to faulmacca

By the way - Does someone know why a Jeroboam of Babycham (or champagne, even!) wasn't used to launch QE2?
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: cunardqueen on Sep 20, 2011, 10:51 AM
On this day 20th September 1967.....
The rest, as they say is history    ;D
and what a history !
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Sep 20, 2011, 12:01 PM
On this day 20th September 1967.....
The rest, as they say is history    ;D
and what a history !

... and I should be on bbc radio Scotland at around 12.40 to talk about it!
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Rod on Oct 06, 2011, 08:19 PM
... and I should be on bbc radio Scotland at around 12.40 to talk about it!

" Radio Scotland, playing just for you.
So beat the band, and join the clan, on Station 242!"
Anyone remember that?
Pirate radio??? Or am I the only old fart on here?
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: cunardqueen on Oct 06, 2011, 08:32 PM
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   Or am I the only old fart on here?   
Far from it.... ;D
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Rod on Oct 06, 2011, 08:44 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Alistair on Oct 07, 2011, 10:17 AM
I remember it well and was devastated when it shut down. It was a while before Radio 1 filled the gap and O.M.G. we have gone off topic!
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Rod on Oct 07, 2011, 11:21 PM
Back on topic:
In my view ships are christened! They are given a name just like children....and yes they are children. Those that serve on them become the parents and like human parents,  must work on their children to make them become great adults. Sometimes its hard work sometimes not.  Sometimes they require  hospital treatment that the parents cannot give. In the end the child must be given up to what the good Lord has planned.
Christening a ship goes back to BC. Sacrifices where often made and the blood of the sacrificed animal was poured on the deck to keep the ship safe.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Bruce Nicholls on May 07, 2012, 08:55 PM
Did anyone see The Antiques Roadshow on BBC1 tonight Mon 7th  May. Fioana Bruce interviewed a man (about 40 to 45 mins in) with the spare bottle of empire wine prepared for the QE2 launching in case anything went wrong with the first bottle.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Twynkle on May 07, 2012, 10:05 PM
Back on topic:
In my view ships are christened! They are given a name just like children....and yes they are children. Those that serve on them become the parents and like human parents,  must work on their children to make them become great adults. Sometimes its hard work sometimes not.  Sometimes they require  hospital treatment that the parents cannot give. In the end the child must be given up to what the good Lord has planned.
Christening a ship goes back to BC. Sacrifices where often made and the blood of the sacrificed animal was poured on the deck to keep the ship safe.

Hello Rod
I really like your thoughts here - the ship needing to be taught things, and looked after etc.

However, hope you won't be Very cross with me - or worse still, threaten to quit - again!
Christening is definitely an AD word - Partly because, in all the years BC - there couldn't be a 'christ'ening.
However in earlier days there was a naming, and in the case of ships, as well as debutantes and new models - there was launching too :)
The only thing I'm still slightly uncertain about is the title 'Launcheress'.
Before the Very recent invention of a ship's godmother (madrina in Italy), I wonder how Cunard used to refer to the 'Ladies' who launched their ships...
Rosie

Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Matteo 91 on May 07, 2012, 10:10 PM
Hello Rod
Hope you won't be cross with me - or worse still, threaten to quit - again!
Christening is definitely an AD word - Partly because, in all the years BC - there couldn't be a 'christ'ening.
However in earlier days there was a naming, and in the case of ships, as well as debutantes and new models - there was launching too :)
The only thing I'm still slightly uncertain about is the title 'Launcheress'.
Before the Very recent invention of a ship's godmother (madrina in Italy), I wonder how Cunard used to refer to the 'Ladies' who launched their ships...
Rosie

Interesting question ...

I also agree with Rod, I like the way ships are considered "alive" ... the name, the christening and so on. Even the registry is similar to a birth certificate! I think every master of a ship feels a true bond between his soul and his ship's.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Rod on May 07, 2012, 10:39 PM
Hello Rod
I really like your thoughts here - the ship needing to be taught things, and looked after etc.

However, hope you won't be Very cross with me - or worse still, threaten to quit - again!
Christening is definitely an AD word - Partly because, in all the years BC - there couldn't be a 'christ'ening.
However in earlier days there was a naming, and in the case of ships, as well as debutantes and new models - there was launching too :)
The only thing I'm still slightly uncertain about is the title 'Launcheress'.
Before the Very recent invention of a ship's godmother (madrina in Italy), I wonder how Cunard used to refer to the 'Ladies' who launched their ships...
Rosie

Thats it I quit!!!!!!!!!!!! Fed up with Rosie not agreeing with me!
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Rod on May 07, 2012, 10:47 PM
I was just trying to make it easier Rosie. Christening, naming etc . Yes christening does bring on a religious significence, but then there ALWAYS has been as far as I can see even to 3 BC when animals were sacrificed and the blood poured on the deck...thats where it all came from. As other nations and religions appeared they all put their slant on it.
Nowadays the ship is quite often launched....sails for a bit and then named by a "sponsor" Cunard Princess for 1! US Navy ships apart from the biggest are usually a family member (female) relative of the person it was named after. Called the ships Godmother.

US NAVY people on this forum and correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Jeff Taylor on May 07, 2012, 11:13 PM
...and even the biggest (for example the "George HW" was Christened by a female family member).  Didn't Laura Bush do the honors for her IIRC?
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: riskygizmo on May 08, 2012, 07:02 PM
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Nowadays the ship is quite often launched....sails for a bit and then named by a "sponsor" Cunard Princess for 1!

Copenhagen to La Spezia to New York before Princess Grace chucked a bottle at her. That must be about 8,000 miles or so.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Fairfield on Apr 28, 2014, 03:20 PM
Did anyone see The Antiques Roadshow on BBC1 tonight Mon 7th  May. Fioana Bruce interviewed a man (about 40 to 45 mins in) with the spare bottle of empire wine prepared for the QE2 launching in case anything went wrong with the first bottle.

I've had an enquiry about the Australian wine used to send her on her way. Does anyone know exactly where it came from or even a photo of the bottle.
Title: Re: So Just WHAT was QE2 christened with?
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Sep 17, 2016, 10:41 AM
Interesting to know that it was not Champagne that was used to Christened QE2.  They must have been saving the champagne for passengers to drink when sailing on the ship, as lot's of champagne was certainly served. 


Lot's to read about on this topic if you go back to the initial post
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1895.msg20736.html#msg20736