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Title: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Feb 11, 2009, 06:02 PM
Starting this thread as a repository for this article, and the probability of many memories and more articles :

http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=5297&source=3

I'd also be interested to read what you may be thinking about this rather different period of QE2's life...
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Andy F on Feb 13, 2009, 01:29 AM
I recall seeing her in Southampton being converted with the aft terracing cut away to be replaced by pre-fabricated helo decks and again upon her return, in the KGV drydock being refitted prior to her return to service.  Who can also forget that hideous and thankfully short lived post Falklands pebble grey hull colour.  I guess the only good thing to come of that was the introduction of the traditional red Cunard funnel. 

As for her war service, while she may not have been as exposed as Canberra and other requisitioned merchant vessels, she nevertheless served her country with pride and deservedly earned her battle honour.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Mauretania1907 on Feb 13, 2009, 09:03 AM
O Canberra was SO RUDE, steaming up the Solent (am I right) on her return, showing amongst other messages "Canberra cruises where QE2 refuses." part of rivalry between P&O and Cunard.
I can just imagine Q Victoria and Queen (tin lizzie) Elizabeth going to the Falklands with troops (as they are American owned, they wouldn't) I have a book called Merchant Ships at War by Capt Roger Villar which tells what was done to outfit merchant ships for war. Things were just hacked off!!! The Falklands was the catalyst for me think I had better sample the QE2 and the Canberra before they were gone. Thank heavens they both came back for me to enjoy!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Feb 13, 2009, 10:11 AM
The current cunard ships fly the british red ensign... I don't think the owners have any choice if the government wants to use them. Why they'd want to use a cruise ship i can't imagine though!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Andy F on Feb 14, 2009, 02:57 AM
Rob's right as any ship with a UK port of registry can be commandeered by the Government in time of war if needed.  In the unlikely event Britain were to face another Falkands type situation requiring large scale maritime forces then it is entirely feasible that both QM2 and QV could be taken up in the same way as their illustrious predecessors and used in a troop carrying capacity.  I say unlikely because it is doubtful there would be sufficient RN capability available to mount another campaign of the magnitude seen in '82 but yes, it's entirely possible should the need arise. 

With regard to Canberra's much publicised dig at QE2, although light hearted there was however more than an element of truth in the comment.  While QE2 remained in relatve safe waters well away from immediate danger, the 'Great White Whale' (as Canberra was affectionally known), was in contrast, very much in the thick of things, spending time in San Carlos Water (or 'Bomb Alley' as it came to be known for obvious reasons). It's widely believed that QE2 was kept away as any attack upon her would have been a huge coup for the Argentinian forces, not only because she was a British ship and a prestigious one at that, but because of her being named after the Sovereign (even though we know that's not strictly correct). 

That's not to suggest QE2 was totally immune from risk for that was certainly not the case but it is true to say that she was clearly not exposed to the same extent as her rival. Irrespective of that however, both ships returned safely home having played their part with distinction and served their Country with pride, just as QM2 and QV would if called upon.  Let us hope they will never need to do so. 
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Mauretania1907 on Feb 14, 2009, 07:11 AM
I have photos of both Canberra's and QE2's "honour boards," presented to them after the Falklands. Did any other ship receive these? I know both St Helena and Uganda served in the Falklands War. Canberra also had a map of the Falklands above her bridge windows. When on board, and during a bridge visit, I asked one of Canberra's officers was it a map of the Falklands and he said yes it was.
O, so they have given her a gong, I said and his eyes lighted up with pleasure.
I bet he told his shipmates that I'd noticed Canberra's medal. I often wonder what became of it.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Beyondships on Jun 21, 2009, 01:02 AM
One reason that QE2 did not participate in the landings was that because of her size and lack of maneuverability, she was ill-suited for going into confined waters.  Canberra was, of course, smaller.

I did an article based upon Trevor Lane's experiences as navigator on Canberra during the war.  He is now, of course, second in command on QM2.  The article is posted at: http://beyondships.com/PO-Canberra-Falklands.html

I also did an article focusing on QE2's particpation based upon some interviews with Cunard and various miliatry people.  It is posted at:  http://beyondships.com/QE2-Falklands-1.html   
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: CAP on Jun 21, 2009, 09:03 AM
Very interesting and well written articles.

Thanks
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Dec 03, 2009, 10:47 PM
There are excellent photos from John Chillingworth to be found under Crew and Worker Memories, here :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1287.0.html

Louis wrote this :

Heres a short summary from that voyage.

The QE2 left Southampton on the 12th May staying overnight of the Nab Light tower.On the 18th she arrived in Sierra Leone, Freetown to take on 1867 tonnes Fuel and Water.On the 20th she arrived in the Ascension Islands were stores were transferred from the HMS Dumbarton Castle.She stayed here until the 22nd.Finally on the 27th she arrived in South Geogria.On the way back she stopped again in Ascension before arriving in Southampton on the 11th of June.During this roundtrip she steamed 14 967 miles consuming 10 287 tonnes of fuel.


I was struck in this summary by the role of the Ascension Islands. Captain Ronald W Warwick in his book mentions the islands both on the outward and the homeward journey -- but when returning from South Georgia, the QE2 did not stop in the Ascension Islands except to rendezvous with HMS Dumbarton Castle, to disembark six survivors of a helicopter crash as well as twenty-five tons of ammunition. It is right therefore to celebrate the homeward voyage of QE2 from South Georgia as follows :

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her return journey from the Falklands campaign in 1982 remains the longest non-stop passage of any British Merchant ship

https://www.theqe2story.com/features/Scan10034.JPG

If one looks at a world map, it is amazing to realise how far she can travel without refuelling!

http://www.naval-history.net/F50weektenTF.htm
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Louis De Sousa on Dec 03, 2009, 10:54 PM

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I was struck in this summary by the role of the Ascension Islands. Captain Ronald W Warwick in his book mentions the islands both on the outward and the homeward journey -- but when returning from South Georgia, the QE2 did not stop in the Ascension Islands except to rendezvous with HMS Dumbarton Castle, to disembark six survivors of a helicopter crash as well as twenty-five tons of ammunition. It is right therefore to celebrate the homeward voyage of QE2 from South Georgia as follows :

The stay in Ascension on the way home was only about 3-4 hours.

Louis
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Dec 19, 2009, 09:08 AM
The Falklands conflict:  HMS Sheffield and QE2 returning to Southampton

QE2 is 21 minutes into the clip - News Reports that are exceptionally moving

Thanks to leighammanor - Video =56 mins
Includes - Argentine POWs from Darwin and Goose Green, loss of HMS Sheffield, Captain Sam Salt, Sir Lancelot, Queen Elizabeth 2 returns, HMS Ardent, San Carlos beach head, Goose Green Field Hospital, Surgeon ...

This is also a particularly good, accurate historical record of the Falklands conflict   
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: jdl on Dec 26, 2009, 07:41 PM
I'd also heard a couple of stories relating to the Falkands trip - firstly due to a problem with her turbines/boilers the QE2 sailed slowly and elegantly down Southampton water and then was docked out of Southampton to allow repairs (possibly in Cherbourg?).

Also the massive strain that the trip to the South Atlantic brought on the powerplant meant that the need for re-engining project was brought forward.

More knowledgable forum members, especially Rob with his unique connection to the original powerplant will be able to confirm and expand on the above!!

jdl

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Jan 03, 2010, 11:14 AM
Slides - QE2 -The Falklands war troop ship


Comment 'Nice and fast,only ship we could have done it with....Escorts could not live with her....28-29knots,sustained.'
Thanks to NAIAD for making the video
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: andy liney on Jan 03, 2010, 12:00 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/No1Dog/QE2%20Tendering/IMGP1495.jpg)
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: andy liney on Jan 03, 2010, 12:02 PM
In liight of another recent thread about use of "RMS", I also note that this is used on the above commemmorative plaque.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Louis De Sousa on Jan 03, 2010, 12:09 PM
Heres me in Port Stanley

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3507/3933049979_f0f96ee250_b.jpg)

Louis
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jan 21, 2010, 06:14 PM
New photo uploaded by Tim Webb here, of QE2 looking a bit worse for wear on her return to Southampton after the Falklands on 11 June 1982 :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42117802@N06/4289298459/
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Jan 21, 2010, 08:10 PM
Here is a link to the pool Falklands / Malvinas pool on flickr :

https://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=qe2&m=pool&w=11022572%40N00&z=t

Maybe there are more - including these :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42117802@N06/4281238486
https://www.flickr.com/photos/42117802@N06/4280495765
https://www.flickr.com/photos/42117802@N06/4280495459
https://www.flickr.com/photos/42117802@N06/4280494887

Also taken by Tim Webb
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Feb 19, 2010, 08:26 AM
From the Daily Mail
'It's the bitter truth: We couldn't send a task force to the Falklands today
By CAPTAIN MICHAEL CLAPP

....True, not all of the 1982 Task Force ships were Royal Navy vessels - there were civilians ships, too. Twenty-two belonged to the Royal Fleet Auxilary, and the Merchant Navy came up with 42 of their own, such as the Canberra, the Atlantic Conveyor and even, of course, the QE2, the Cunard liner that transported the Army's 5th Brigade the length of the Atlantic.....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252149/Its-bitter-truth-We-send-task-force-Falklands-today.html#ixzz0fy5hP225
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: richc1977 on Feb 19, 2010, 08:18 PM
I saw that article too, I was bored waiting in the dentists.  I don't usually read the Mail since it has appointed itself the moral arbiter of this country

There was also a column by Richard Littlejohn (one of the worst of all the moralists at the Mail)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252133/Man-pedaloes-chaps-save-Falklands.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252133/Man-pedaloes-chaps-save-Falklands.html)

Anyway, according to him "Even if we had enough soldiers back home ready to deploy, we'd have trouble getting them there. The QE2, which last time served as a troop ship, is now a floating hotel and casino in Dubai harbour."

Someone should try doing some research.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Pat Curry on Feb 20, 2010, 07:55 PM
We may not have much of a navy left but we do have a working Queen.

I'm considering placing this ad in the MOD News:
"Troop ship available for immediate vacant possession. Has had previous experience. Add-on hellideck available.  Capacity 6,000 or more.  Recent dry dock completed. Ready to sail, engines running, most things in working order (kind of). Supply your own crew for all departments. Falklands charts on board.  Contact Rob Lightbody for favourable terms and volunteer social hosts/hostesses"
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Feb 21, 2010, 07:29 PM
This is a refelection of how one of the soldiers experienced time on QE2!
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/QE2-Turned-Troop-Carrier-Skys-Alastair-Bruce-Set-Up-Intelligence-Cell-On-The-Ship-In-1982/Article/200811215148674?lpos=UK_News_Article_Related_Content_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15148674_QE2_Turned_Troop_Carrier%3A_Skys_Alastair_Bruce_Set_Up_Intelligence_Cell_On_The_Ship_In_1982
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: skilly56 on Feb 22, 2010, 09:21 AM
In Louis' photo with the list of Falklands ships, the one listed directly below QE2 (which was probably the shortest-serving ship in the campaign except for those that were sunk), the 'tev Rangatira' (built by Swann Hunter, 1971), was the longest serving ship in the campaign - she was away from Falmouth for 16 months, and, while in the Falklands, did not berth alongside a wharf anywhere during that time. She would up-anchor and steam out to sea for refuelling and to fire off a few rounds from the armament to keep the troops awake, then steam back into the anchorage to continue her job as a hostel for the troops while new barracks were being built ashore.
She was built as an overnight ferry for the NZ Interisland run, where she was operated by the NZ Union Steamship Company for 4 years, then returned to the UK after proving uneconomic to run in it's intended trade.
As an apprentice, I worked on it during the surveys/dockings in 1972-3. A very nice ship to sail on (I did, twice).
Finally broken up in May 2005, she is believed to be the last steam-turbo-electric ferry built.
Cheers
Skilly
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falkland Islands Campaign
Post by: Twynkle on Feb 23, 2010, 04:20 PM
Here's a link to the Falkland Islands Memorial Chapel. It was built and named in honour of those involved with, and those who gave their lives during the Falklands campaign. It is at Pangbourne College, Reading - this is  a school that has a long association with the Royal Navy and it's good to see the Merchant Navy well represented by Captain McNaught.
http://www.falklands-chapel.org.uk/news-2010-singles.pdf
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Jem on Feb 23, 2010, 07:13 PM
In Louis' photo with the list of Falklands ships, the one listed directly below QE2 (which was probably the shortest-serving ship in the campaign except for those that were sunk), the 'tev Rangatira' (built by Swann Hunter, 1971), was the longest serving ship in the campaign - she was away from Falmouth for 16 months, and, while in the Falklands, did not berth alongside a wharf anywhere during that time. She would up-anchor and steam out to sea for refuelling and to fire off a few rounds from the armament to keep the troops awake, then steam back into the anchorage to continue her job as a hostel for the troops while new barracks were being built ashore.
She was built as an overnight ferry for the NZ Interisland run, where she was operated by the NZ Union Steamship Company for 4 years, then returned to the UK after proving uneconomic to run in it's intended trade.
As an apprentice, I worked on it during the surveys/dockings in 1972-3. A very nice ship to sail on (I did, twice).
Finally broken up in May 2005, she is believed to be the last steam-turbo-electric ferry built.
Cheers
Skilly
Found this site, she was a lovely looking vessel
http://www.bluestarline.org/rangatira.html
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falkland Islands Campaign
Post by: Jem on Feb 23, 2010, 07:47 PM
Here's a link to the Falkland Islands Memorial Chapel. It was built and named in honour of those involved with, and those who gave their lives during the Falklands campaign. It is at Pangbourne College, Reading - this is  a school that has a long association with the Royal Navy and it's good to see the Merchant Navy well represented by Captain McNaught.
http://www.falklands-chapel.org.uk/news-2010-singles.pdf

Rosie, reading that news letter really brings home to you how the conflict has effected and continues to effect those people who were in or associated with the conflict. For most of us it was a huge news item at the time. These people still live with the conflict 28 years later, amazing....
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: skilly56 on Feb 23, 2010, 08:31 PM
Hi Jem,

Rangatira had the correct coloured funnel to be a Cunard ship, as well as the looks!
Cheers
Skilly
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: pete cain on Apr 19, 2010, 02:51 PM
Some more info' regarding the  Falklands conflict I've just come across,          from steward Ted Worsley.    "as they were sailing north and the (Falkland) islands were being retaken, BBC broadcasts received on the ship listed the names of men killed in action. As Ted walked along the cabin corridors he occasionally saw some of those same names, as though tombstones, still lettered neatly on the hardboard flooring outside the cabin doors.
    Ted rembered their faces well, these absurdly young, brave soldiers  - "my passengers" he called them - who had flocked onboard in such high spirits bound for their Falkland adventure."   P103.  'TRIBUTE TO A QUEEN  John Maxtone Graham.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: cunardqueen on May 12, 2010, 10:55 PM
THE QUEEN IS CALLED UP.... 12 MAY 1982


Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Stowaway2k on May 12, 2010, 11:49 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7723169.stm

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Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 31, 2010, 06:55 AM
There's a photo of some of the Falklands crew here :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,985.msg24989.html#msg24989

Thinking about this amazing voyage again, with the ship so crammed with soldiers, I wonder were the barriers between crew spaces and passenger spaces maintained as usual, or were the soldiers freely allowed into crew accommodation and leisure facilities?

Did the officers dine in the Queen's Grill?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: ship pro on Oct 18, 2010, 09:03 AM
In relation to the post regarding the technical aspects of the voyage.
Before departure it was apparent they could not get enough feed water into the boilers, the ship had to sail on time because of the media coverage consequently she was towed out by 6 tugs!
she anchored off the isle of wight away from the coast, the problem was found after around 6 hours and she set off to Accention island.

Some time before the trip there had been some misalignment on the main turbine couplings, Lioyds were monitoring the situation and limited the speed to 144RPM instead of 168 RPM , which equates to around 24 knots.
So she had a leasurely trip down to south Georgia because of this, the only things that drove the re engining was fuel prices and the ease of operation of a diesel plant.
It was later determined that Lloyds had put a decimal point in the wrong place! and the speed restriction was lifted.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Oct 31, 2010, 09:51 PM
This must have been an extraordinary time - and thank you for giving us some details of her departure.
Supplies and stores etc - were these all provided by the MOD?
It seems as if it was a long time before she could take on more food etc
It would be interesting too, to know whether QE2 was used as a hospital ship in South Georgia.

Beyond Ships' report.
http://www.beyondships.com/QE2-Falklands-1.html
(It's easier to read in pdf format - link on page 1 of report)
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Waverley on Mar 09, 2011, 05:46 PM
Linda Kitson war artist.  A display of her QE2 war drawings will be shown next to the QE2 model at the new Riverside Museum in Glasgow.

A few good photos here

 https://www.youtube.com/user/riversideappeal#p/u/2/bcvYSe-pSRs

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 09, 2011, 06:40 PM
Linda Kitson war artist.  A display of her QE2 war drawings will be shown next to the QE2 model at the new Riverside Museum in Glasgow.

A few good photos here

 https://www.youtube.com/user/riversideappeal#p/u/2/bcvYSe-pSRs

Absolutely brilliant stuff!1  Thanks so much for finding and posting.  I must try to get in touch with the curator involved - David Scott.  I'd love to volunteer to help out in fact.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Jul 26, 2011, 12:10 AM
Regarding QE 2 and Canberra.   I think you will find when the official info from the campaign is released, that the UK government found out that the QE 2 was to be the #1 target as posted previously. There was also a submarine missing that the RN couldnt find, being made difficult by the fact that it was a former US sub. The political and financial cost also came into play as the government would have been responsible for replacing any ship lost as Lloyds becomes void as soon as the ship comes under MOD control. Cost for Canberra.....40 m pounds, cost for QE 2,,,132m pounds. The government still had no idea how they were going to pay for this war. Up until about 2 days before we arrived at South Georgia we were going to go to Bomb Alley.
Trust me on this.

On another topic mentioned here.
Every British ship, built in Britain, using government money for loans etc, has to be capable of being converted for war service. This includes strengthening of various ares to support guns etc. Those plans existed for QE 2 but implementation would have taken too long.. For example the forward cargo hold would have become a huge magazine with the ammo going straight up to the gun/guns on the hatch cover.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Jul 26, 2011, 12:53 AM
Regarding QE 2 and Canberra.   I think you will find when the official info from the campaign is released,....

The political and financial cost also came into play as the government would have been responsible for replacing any ship lost as Lloyds becomes void as soon as the ship comes under MOD control. Cost for Canberra.....40 m pounds, cost for QE 2,,,132m pounds....

Trust me on this....

Rod - your post is interesting, thanks so much.
 The official Falklands info could be released quite soon, I guess - unless it's regarded as exceptionally sensitive.
(Recently, I read Captain Hart-Dykes book about HMS Coventry - and how he and the remaining crew returned to the UK on board QE2 - his is a personal account of the previous 'Four weeks in May')
You mention Lloyds.  I wonder - are you referring to the underwriters - and / or the Register?
Regarding safety and classification etc, as she was STUFT, then wouldn't she still be subject to assessment by Lloyds for registration etc,  or maybe this is done by the RN for the MOD?

In any case, it would be really interesting to know how much of the engineers' work actually changed as she'd become a troop ship.
I guess the changes were much greater for you guys, than they were for the Deck dept??
Did you get extra crew on board before leaving Soton to give you a hand - and maybe, was there a contingent from the RN on board too?
Please forgive me if you aren't able/ allowed to answer these questions!!
Thanks again - It's so good that you are here!
Rosie.
 
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Jul 30, 2011, 11:45 AM
Lloyds insurance. I think you will find that the government became the insurer.
As far as the work changing. With 3500 troops on board there was less damage than with regular passengers. The military had their own workshops that were "craned" onto the decks aft and were used by armorors etc. They were then lifted off by helicopter.
We had to install 20 washing machines and dryers in the room service pantries for the troops to use. These were mostly liberate by the crew afterwards.
The RN put a "Working Party" on board to take care of the war type things. They stayed with us there and back. One of them I met later as he became my sons high school principal!  YES in Florida! Small world.
One way in which my job changed. The Scots Guards had come straight from Buckingham Palace with shiny bayonets. After a lecture about the Geneva convention I got the task of sharpening and blackening 700 of them!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Dec 21, 2011, 10:34 PM
ITV News have just shown a 1982 clip of one of QE2's tenders in choppy water off South Georgia for a couple of seconds.
Sadly, there wasn't any reference to QE2 - just something about the ongoing struggle.
'Couldn't believe my eyes!'!!

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Dec 21, 2011, 11:42 PM
If one of QE2's launches was in the water off South Georgia, I was on it.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Dec 22, 2011, 07:23 PM
There are a handful of really superb photos here

http://homersykes.photoshelter.com/search?I_DSC=qe2&I_DSC_AND=t&_ACT=search
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Pat Curry on Dec 22, 2011, 08:01 PM
With 3500 troops on board there was less damage than with regular passengers.

Amazing.  But pax don't face court martials for damage done. They just complain this doesn't work or that the water isn't hot enough or what have you trivia to the pursers.

That aside the Argies are sabre rattling.  >:(  Since dear Mr Cameron has decimated our forces it was inevitable that the Argies would.  

Time for a show of force, but goodness knows how.  Ark Royal is rotting in Portsmouth, the Harriers have been sent to the US for spare parts, so no more "I counted them off and I counted them back" ... but hey  ;) ... I know of the whereabouts of a troop ship whose cv reads:

"Ship capable of carrying 3,500 troops plus crew, available for immediate sailing with gilt-edged track record.  Previous experience in same role in Falklands well documented.  Volunteer crew available, contact  QEstory website.  Governments interested in hiring the ship, please contact Nakheel +971 4 390 333 any time in the next few days.  First come, first served.
(Note: Nakheel don't celebrate Christmas  ??? so please ring any time).

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Feb 03, 2012, 02:54 PM
'They Couldn't Have Done It Without Us: The Merchant Navy in the Falklands War.
By John Johnson-Allen
Pub. Seafarer Books 2011
£9.95 and available on Amazon.

It will be interesting to know if / when others have read this;
at first glance, it looks comprehensive and well written.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Feb 03, 2012, 10:50 PM
There are a handful of really superb photos here

http://homersykes.photoshelter.com/search?I_DSC=qe2&I_DSC_AND=t&_ACT=search

The pic to me that exemplifies the Brits is the one of the girlfriend hooking the bra on to the crane and having it delivered to her Welsh Guard on the ship. Where else in the world would you get that?
Title: Re: QE2 Items on Ebay
Post by: bobso on Mar 08, 2012, 08:06 PM
Any member of the Forum on the QE2 when it went to the Falklands?---


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150773950315?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2661
Title: Re: QE2 Items on Ebay
Post by: Rod on Mar 08, 2012, 11:02 PM
Any member of the Forum on the QE2 when it went to the Falklands?---


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150773950315?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2661

200 pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have 2 of them sitting in the attic!Believe it or not...they were flown out to the ship, by chopper along with uniforms for the survivors of the sunken ships. One of the RN Naval Party ordered them to make a few bob on the side!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 31, 2012, 11:04 AM
Good article here about HMS Courageous keeping QE2 safe from underneath!

 http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/ken-proud-of-subs-war-role-1.939937?referrerPath=news/
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: highlander0108 on Mar 31, 2012, 06:18 PM
Good article here about HMS Courageous keeping QE2 safe from underneath!

 http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/ken-proud-of-subs-war-role-1.939937?referrerPath=news/

That was a very interesting article.  So QE2 had an escort, abeit a hidden one!  I wonder if there are more stories to "surface" as time goes on. 
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Mar 31, 2012, 06:31 PM
That was a very interesting article.  So QE2 had an escort, abeit a hidden one!  I wonder if there are more stories to "surface" as time goes on.

I have absolutely no doubt. As time goes on and people are no longer worried about Security, weapons etc etc more will come out. To this day though there are still things that can be "given away" to our future enemies.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 01, 2012, 08:22 AM
Rod - The media over here has been 'talking' about the conflict and the anniversary a fair bit recently.
I was wondering how long the notice was that You and the Crew were given about the 'trip' south?
Was there time for a bit of leave before she sailed?
Then after QE2 was back home - was there a break for you guys before the next passenger trip?
Rosie

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 on Apr 01, 2012, 12:28 PM
Really brave what those soldiers went through.

Heres a picture gallery of the Falklands war. QE2 is mentioned many times.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/photos/30-years-on-falklands-war-in-pictures-1333120848-slideshow/
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Apr 01, 2012, 09:16 PM
Rod - The media over here has been 'talking' about the conflict and the anniversary a fair bit recently.
I was wondering how long the notice was that You and the Crew were given about the 'trip' south?
Was there time for a bit of leave before she sailed?
Then after QE2 was back home - was there a break for you guys before the next passenger trip?
Rosie
Rosie,
I was on leave when it was announced. Was in Sainsburys as it happens. When I got home I called the Office and they said you are on the list would you go. I said yes and was put on the list. Remember they had to get enough people that said yes and would pick whom they wanted...MOD had been in the Soton office for a while I believe. Later that day got a call saying leave cancelled until further notice. Report to ship upon arrival. I did. Then it was mad chaos and confusion... Many projects, Putting in washers and dryers in every room service pantry. A/C to bits of the barn that didn't have it. All the time working round the..."Sorry you cant go in there at the moment" We were called to meetings with the Naval Party sailing with us...everyone reacted like they did this kind of thing every week! BUT it was the MOD's money so it was great. It was very long hours. They told us they would be sailing at 1600 come hell or high water...there were boiler problems...we sailed on 2...hence all the tugs...got out of sight near the IOW and finished repairs to the third...Took on helicopters after they had tested landing at various speeds..And off we went!
Had to land a crew member with spinal meningitis by helo, sent ashore with one of our nurses ...she came back with that days papers. Daily Telegraph crossword,,,have to make 50 copies...small things. The 1 deck shop became a classroom for the Army... People had to take exams.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Apr 01, 2012, 09:24 PM
continued:
As far as when we came back....I was on the outs with my Dad at the time so volunteered to stay on board got about 2 weeks leave after 7 weeks.
I am going to a Falklands reunion next month here in FLA. One of the people I met last year was on of the survivors from Coventry that we took home. Another was a LT. in 2 Para and is now the Senior British Officer in Central Command just awarded the Order of the Bath  in the New years Honors list. Now a Maj Gen!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Apr 01, 2012, 09:29 PM
If you have any questions I would be pleased to answer them.
QE2 was asked to do a task...we did it to the best of our ability. AND Damn well I might add...MOD did their job well and kept us informed. When we made friends with individual Officers from the MOD and plied them with drink we learned more and that we did not spread around!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 02, 2012, 09:11 PM
If you have any questions I would be pleased to answer them.
QE2 was asked to do a task...we did it to the best of our ability. AND Damn well I might add...MOD did their job well and kept us informed. When we made friends with individual Officers from the MOD and plied them with drink we learned more and that we did not spread around!

Thank you, Rod.


Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 15, 2012, 11:15 AM
When the Queen went to war: Amazing pictures on QE2 as it sailed to the Falklands

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2128733/Queen-went-war-Amazing-pictures-QE2-sailed-Falklands.html#ixzz1s6QizjNL
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Apr 15, 2012, 12:07 PM
The pictures alone tell a story.  But the articles give a bit of an overview of what life was like onboard QE2 to and from the Falklands.

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Apr 15, 2012, 05:28 PM
the Harriers have been sent to the US for spare parts, so no more

In actual fact the Harriers are being sent to fly! Because of the delay in their replacement the USMC is actually assigning them to squadrons. Also trying to buy any others they can get their hands on!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Apr 15, 2012, 06:01 PM
When the Queen went to war: Amazing pictures on QE2 as it sailed to the Falklands

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2128733/Queen-went-war-Amazing-pictures-QE2-sailed-Falklands.html#ixzz1s6QizjNL

 If I may take issue with some of the things in the article:
1st pic is titled "Returning to Soton: Too many army troops...must have been departure.
"Wooden planking" it was hardboard/masonite.
Steel plating attached to the hull....uh NO...we only had what John Browns gave us in 69!
Magnetic coils fitted...NO these were fitted at John Browns when the ship was built...called de-gaussing gear for use primarily in the North Sea and around Scandanavia where  there still a lot of magnetic mines.
Anti aircraft gun...well yes but it is actually a Browning M2 .50 caliber machine gun that belonged to the regiments on board. When they left so did the guns. The platform for them were built by Harris Pye Marine whom we carried.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Apr 26, 2012, 06:28 PM
The work of the War Artist on board QE2 throughout her time off S Georgia
Commentary by David Scott
Thanks too, to www.riversideappeal.org for the video

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Apr 26, 2012, 10:54 PM
WOW! Thanks
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Lynda Bradford on May 03, 2012, 09:02 PM
3 May 1982 was the date that Cunard received instruction from the UK Government that QE2 was to be used as a troop ship in the Falklands War.  I thought it would be useful to members to compiled this list of key dates which I had obtained from information contained in a Cunard commemorative menu.  I have cross checked this information against our QE2 timeline and noticed some key dates that could be added, which I will do later. 

There has already been a lot of information written on this topic board by members on the QE2’s involvement in the Falklands, which is all good stuff and adds to the detail of these key dates.


QE2 Falklands Key Dates:

3 May 1982: Cunard received instructions from the UK Government that the Queen Elizabeth 2 was to be requisitioned by the Secretary of State for Trade under the Requisitioning of Ships Order 1982. 

5 May 1982: Work to convert the ship to carry troops commenced

12 May 1982: Following the formal embarkation of the Fifth Infantry Brigade, who were 3000 troops made up of Scotts Guards, Welsh Guards, the Ghurka Rifles, the QE2 set sail at 16:00 with much media attention being focussed on the ship.

Captain Peter Jackson was in command of 650 ship’s crew volunteers.

18 May 1982:  QE2 arrived in Freetown where she took on 1,867 tons of fuel in addition to water. 

20 May 1982: QE2 reached Ascension Island where goods and personnel were ferried between the QE2 and the island by helicopters.

27 May 1982: QE2 Anchored in Cumberland Bay

28 May 1982: The transfer of troops and stores to the waiting Canberra and Norland.  The Norland brought survivors to the QE2 from HMS Antelope. 

29 May 1982: The Royal Fleet Auxiliary Stromness brought survivors from HMS Coventry and HMS Ardent to QE2.  QE2 left South Georgia just after 1700 hours. 

3 June 1982:  Captain Jackson received orders to proceed home to Southampton, bringing home 640 survivors. 

11 June 1982:  QE2 arrived back in Southampton.

Source:  facts extracted from Cunard “The Falklands Remembered” menu written by Cunard’s UK Public Relations Department
Title: Re: Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on May 03, 2012, 09:43 PM
The timeline of the Falklands War
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17444526
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 03, 2012, 10:19 PM
In addition to the survivors from Antelope, Ardent and Coventry, we also took personnel  from the RAF and several "other branches"
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 03, 2012, 10:21 PM
On May 19 I will be attending the reunion of Falkland Vets in St. Petersburgh FL. Including 2 QE2 vets, the other I havent seen in 25 years, and one of the survivors from HMS Coventry, whom I met last year!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: tdickson on May 11, 2012, 08:14 PM
I just thought I would post a gentle reminder that, after speaking today to a past QE2 chef who was on board at the time ,that it is the 30th anniversary of the sailing of QE II tommorrow from Southampton to join her fellow merchant ships in the conflict with the "Argies" Aparrently sailed playing "Don"t cry for me Argentina"   
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 12, 2012, 12:23 AM
Yes it is. And they did play that. it is a time of remembrance for me.
It was a time of growing up for me. As I posted before on another thread..... to be honest....nobody at first thought of casualties...death, maiming etc...when Sheffield was lost...our thoughts changed..... I am proud to have served...sad at the loss of life.
If you havent been there...difficult to put into words that people will understand.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 12, 2012, 09:51 PM
This may double post,

30 years ago today, around this time I sailed off to war.
God bless all those that did not return.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on May 13, 2012, 09:31 PM
This may double post,

30 years ago today, around this time I sailed off to war.
God bless all those that did not return.

Rod,
I would guess that many in the UK were thinking of you all for many of the months that you and the other forces were in the Antarctic region
There were no computers, (for emails) then, or mobile telephones etc - It's difficult to know how both seafarers and others on board must have coped both with the need to maintain secrecy, as well as managing to keep in contact with friends and family etc.
Did you have access to telex, telegrams or radio - were you able/permitted to send messages home?
And about bunkering at Ascension Island -  were you all allowed any time on dry land, or perhaps there wasn't anywhere there for 'last minute' shopping (for beer, and other essentials etc)
Were you allowed to use the NAAFI Store, if there was one?
Please forgive all my questions - It's such a relief that you haven't quit 'again!'
Rosie
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 13, 2012, 11:15 PM
Rosie, Rosie, Rosie......
Communications:  As you say this was before e-mails and such. Cunards comms methods were antiguated to say the least, but the same as any other shipping company. The MoD installed their own comms room in the "Barn" behind the bridge that was off limits to most. They installed a Scott dome near there, I believe by Motorola, that basically was satellite communication.
Remember, there were 2 different entities on the ship...Cunard and MoD. They worked well together, we had a ships Officer, Phill Rentell that was liason. All communications were handled through the MoD. Basically the MoD supplied us with what we needed....if the Comm was not required to be sent by satellite then it went through the ships radio room. If we had a need for a part we requested it from the the RN and it was delivered...pronto!
Mail was a priority with the MoD and whenever it was possible we would get mail and the newspapers whenever a passing ship was near.
As for Freetown where we bunkered...NOBODY ashore even after some of the tempting cries from some of Freetowns young ladies!. Thats where we bunkered, not Ascension.
Ascension basically was making up stores, getting mail, and transferring troops and supplies that we had and shouldnt or getting bits we needed.
We also endured a flyby, under the bridge wing of a Harrie, while arriving...they wanted to check us out!
We did not have a NAAFI, Ocean Trading who ran the shops did that with chocolate bars etc.
Beer...the Wardy and All the crew bars ran as normal...NO Enlisted service personal allowed...yeah right...wont go into that further!
All attached Officers were made members of the Wardroom.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on May 20, 2012, 06:36 PM
Thank you for taking the time and for the very clear answer, Rod.
Hope that your Reunion was good.

You and others who sailed South on board QE2 might be interested to read about the following as today, the 30th Anniversary of the Falklands war was commemorated at the National Memorial Arboretum in Staffordshire.
The BBC has reported it both on Radio and TV news, making a special mention of the 'great contribution' made by the Merchant Navy.
And for Skilly, there's a Vulcan in full flight too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18135404
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18137147

By the way - can anyone say why the Merchant Navy hasn't been given the pre-fix 'Royal' - What a good opportunity this would have been for The Queen's Diamond Jubilee.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 20, 2012, 11:16 PM
The reunion was GREAT! Thank you. Many more faces from last year. One of the people from 2 Para turned 18 on the trip down.
If any of you ever go to St. Petersburg Florida, check out the "Moon Over Water" Brit Pub run by a Welshman. Food is wonderful! I had fish and chips....the piece of cod DWARFED the plate.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 22, 2012, 11:17 PM
Going to try and add some pics...this could get scary!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 22, 2012, 11:24 PM
It worked!!!! I have graduated me to computer almost expert!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 23, 2012, 07:55 PM
Congratulations, Rod!

Looks like great fun was had by all.

Are these all British expats settled in Florida? Presumably this was not a QE2-related meeting, so that not all who were there had actually travelled to or from the Falklands by QE2.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 23, 2012, 10:28 PM
Congratulations, Rod!

Looks like great fun was had by all.

Are these all British expats settled in Florida? Presumably this was not a QE2-related meeting, so that not all who were there had actually travelled to or from the Falklands by QE2.
Isabelle....No it was not QE2 related. In one of the pics you will see a gentleman wearing my hat...he is a former QE2 electrician that, like me, married an American and settled here. He lives in new Jersey. Havent seen him since my wedding 25 years ago! One of the former Royal Marines, lives in San Fran, one of the Paras lives in Canada, One gentleman and his wife saw it on the internet and asked if they could come as they were going to be here on their hols. The Maj Gen. Chip Chapman who was a Lieutenant/platoon commander with 2 para in the Falklands is the Senior British Officer at Centcom at McDill AFB in Tampa. He is also heavily involved in the security for the London Olympics. Note the CB around his neck that he got in the new years Honours List. One of the guys there is a survivor from Coventyr that we brought back. Another gentleman in one of the pics is a survivor from Dunkirk in WW2. he was 16 at Dunkirk! Lied about his age! Another guy there from the Paras turned 18 on the Norland on his way down.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Dan Smith on Feb 24, 2013, 03:17 PM
i found a nice article from the DailyMail showing some nice photos from onboard and a nice backstory of the photographer :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2128733/Queen-went-war-Amazing-pictures-QE2-sailed-Falklands.html
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Mar 27, 2013, 07:32 PM
Here are some powerful images of QE2 arriving back from the Falklands in 1982

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nevardmedia/sets/72157633100311907/

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Mar 27, 2013, 10:20 PM
I honestly cannot describe how proud I was of my country at that time.
Right or wrong. The UK was given a challenge and we met it!
Both the military and civilian forces. Did the UK a great service.
I was, and still am extremely proud to have been a part of it.
Sacrifice yes, danger yes, but no more than our troops are doing now and have done for a very long time.
God Bless them!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: CAP on Apr 03, 2013, 09:07 AM
No wishing to distract from Rod's fine epitaph but I was wondering does anyone know the date the ship was actually relinquished from Government service?  Lynda's timeline above indicates when Cunard was informed of the requisition but not the actual, formal return to them.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Lynda Bradford on Apr 10, 2013, 10:09 AM
We received an email in the Admin mail box this morning from the son of Nigel Broackes Chairman of the Trafalgar House company.  It was lovely to hear his pride in the fact that his father was referred to as the owner of QE2. But the real reason for writing to us was with the passing of Margaret Thatcher he remembered this story linking Margaret Thatcher, the Falklands and the QE2. 

Hope you enjoy reading this as much as I did this morning. 


Quote
my father wasn't the captain of the qe2! he was the chairman of the company... which owned the company... which owned the company... which owned cunard...

i grew up in a world where people referred to my dad as OWNING the qe2! this wasn't completely true, but i was still incredibly proud, and i hope those that love her will understand why i make no apology for that pride.

one small anecdote, which you might like to publish to your readers, is about early 1982...

i was at a fairly well known school, near slough, and i had been caught smoking. the policy was "honour amongst thieves", so this wasn't reported to your parents... YOU were expected to tell them yourself.

it was about 8pm, and i remember shaking with fear as i held the 2p against the slot on the payphone... and it being engaged. i tried again, and again... but it was still engaged. i knew that my parents were not fans of evening phone chat, so i was quite bemused...

i kept on trying, and eventually there was a ringing tone - my mother answered. it was definitely better that SHE had answered, so i got straight to the point and blurted out my admission, my regret,  and my apologies... before she could hand the phone to my father!!

i remember my mother 'pausing', and the saying "well you ARE a lucky b*gger... the reason the line was engaged was because your father had margaret thatcher on the phone - she was asking to borrow the qe2 and the atlantic conveyor for the falklands!"

please do feel free to post this - i hope it might raise a smile or two
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: ship pro on Apr 10, 2013, 01:45 PM
Thanks for posting this a very interesting story!

I had met Sir Nigel and Sir Victor Mathews,Managing Director Trafalgar house, on several occassions, infact it was Sir Victor, as chairman of the Daily Express, who arranged a Ball on HMS Hermes after the Falklands, where all participants of the campaign were represented by 800 guests. I was chosen to represent Cunard and arrived in Southampton on QE2 from New York at 5.30 pm and I was HMS Hermes in Portsmouth at 7pm, several Admirals at the table mentioned how they had arrived by helicopter however, they said my mode of transport was somewhat more impressive!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: cunardqueen on Apr 10, 2013, 06:59 PM
Thanks for posting this, it just shows how far reaching this forum is.

Anyone who watched the Whickers World on QE2 all those years ago and l was one, will remember Nigel Broackes being interviewed by Alan in the famous penthouse suite and that long sofa and his phrase "We couldnt buy QE2 we had to buy Cunard" and the shots of him on the bridge as QE2 sailed into Auckland.

Perhaps at some later date when time permits lm sure the rest of us on hear would love to hear more of your own personal thoughts of QE2 & as the son of the owner of QE2  ;) and were you on that world cruise ?
Thanks again
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 16, 2013, 07:32 PM
Apparently, after the Falklands, Thatcher made a visit to QE2 and landed on the heli deck in the Trafalgar House helicopter to meet Nigel Broackes in Southampton.  Does anyone have the photo of this historic occasion?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Apr 16, 2013, 08:22 PM
I've never come across such a visit Rob and it surely would have even documented.

In the three visits she did make to the ship we made sure the band struck up 'Isn't She Lovely' as she entered the Queens Room. Carol later told me Lady T was touched by that and Carol also told me that a painting of QE2 we had specially-commissioned of QE2 (by Robert Lloyd) for Lady T took pride of place in Lady T's Belgravia home.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: cunardqueen on Apr 16, 2013, 08:55 PM
Iv seen some where a photo with the Trafalgar House helicopter on the deck, but for the life of me lord knows where at..
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Apr 16, 2013, 08:57 PM
It was used all the time Myles for Trafalgar House Execs to drop in, for press to join the ship of for VVIP passengers to join. Perhaps the most use it received in one week was the 150th Anniversary Voyage in July 1990.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Apr 16, 2013, 09:11 PM
Iv seen some where a photo with the Trafalgar House helicopter on the deck, but for the life of me lord knows where at..

A quick simple search for the word helicopter brings up your dedicated topic  :-)

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,2285.0.html
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: ship pro on Apr 16, 2013, 09:56 PM
With reference to Margaret Thatcher, I believe there was a photo on the front cover of one of the Trafalgar house monthly house magazines showing her getting off a helicopter on the heli deck for lunch around 1983, from memory it was an informal visit.
Title: A Queen is called up
Post by: cunardqueen on May 05, 2013, 06:28 PM
From a Falklands Magazine..
Title: Re: A Queen is called up
Post by: cunardqueen on May 05, 2013, 06:30 PM
and some more
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 15, 2013, 07:57 PM
The BBC are looking for crew members who were on board QE2 when she sailed for the Falklands Conflict for a programme they are making .

Can any crew members who were on board, and who want to talk to the BBC, please contact me for further information.

Thanks,

- Rob
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: riskygizmo on May 18, 2013, 12:41 AM
A recording of a presentation given by a chap from 2nd Scots Guards, found on Youtube. QE2 shows up about 25 mins in.

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: riskygizmo on May 19, 2013, 06:11 PM
Another Youtube find

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on May 19, 2013, 11:54 PM
A link to the website for HMS Coventry with photos of guests at the special lunch on board QE2 given for the remaining crew who lost so many colleagues when the ship sank - 25th May 1982.


http://www.hmscoventry.co.uk/viewalbum.php?id=17
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: CAP on Jun 07, 2013, 09:16 PM
Stumbled across this short film of QE2 being prepared and leaving for the Falklands.  Haven't seen it anywhere else in this topic so hopefully it may provide some new footage.

QE2 Leaves For The Falklands (http://www.movietone.com/assets/BMN0278/quicktime/BMN_82FWDSLASH26_32.mov)

Unfortunately no accompanying sound...
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Jun 07, 2013, 09:28 PM
Very interesting pictures, they make her departure on this mission very real.

And they made me wonder : Were there any women on board QE2 on her Falklands expedition?

Also, presumably, this was the voyage during which she had the highest numbers on board, counting passengers and crew combined.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: riskygizmo on Jun 07, 2013, 09:57 PM
Great find, Cap. Rather wonderful to see the Guards Officers embarked in Service Dress. They were going to war, but they were doing it in style. And who's the fleet footed Engineer at 1.05 in ?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Jun 08, 2013, 02:22 AM
Very interesting pictures, they make her departure on this mission very real.

And they made me wonder : Were there any women on board QE2 on her Falklands expedition?

Also, presumably, this was the voyage during which she had the highest numbers on board, counting passengers and crew combined.

Yes there women on board, some of the laundry staff stayed, at that time in the QE2's life most, if not all of the laundry staff were women, and yes, the total amount of "souls " carried was probably the greatest.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 09, 2013, 01:29 PM
Stumbled across this short film of QE2 being prepared and leaving for the Falklands.  Haven't seen it anywhere else in this topic so hopefully it may provide some new footage.

QE2 Leaves For The Falklands (http://www.movietone.com/assets/BMN0278/quicktime/BMN_82FWDSLASH26_32.mov)

http://www.movietone.com/N_POPUP_Player.cfm?action=playVideo&assetno=73581

Unfortunately no accompanying sound...

Amazing footage.  I'm always amazed to see how they 'sliced the back off her' to create the helicopter decks etc.  Must have seemed radical at the time, and yet a neat engineering solution.  It almost looks like it was meant to be adapted that way.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Jun 16, 2013, 02:10 PM
Jacqui Hodgson, currently Hotel Manager on Queen Elizabeth, went down to the Falklands on QE2.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 16, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jacqui Hodgson, currently Hotel Manager on Queen Elizabeth, went down to the Falklands on QE2.

That's fantastic to hear that there is still that sort of link 30 years later. It would be great to hear more of her story. Do you think she'd share it with us?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: CAP on Jun 30, 2013, 09:39 AM
Was Cunard paid for QE2's time out of commercial service during the conversion, active service and subsequent decommissioning for the campaign? If so, on what basis?

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Jun 30, 2013, 09:49 AM
Cunard received a daily pre-agareed rate for each day she was a STUFT and a different daily rate for the period she was being converted back to passenger service. The Government covered the costs of returning structures to their origianl condition (ie removal of helipads) but did not cover soft furnishings or things like Cunard turning the Spa into the Golden Door, the first phase of the Club Lido  and any other 'changes' along those lines.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: CAP on Jun 30, 2013, 11:41 AM
Presumably, like earlier requisitions, the rate was calculated from a combination of the vessels speed and GWT.  Therefore, the rules being consistent and applicable to all commercial vessels called up?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 23, 2013, 11:15 PM
The BBC are looking for crew members who were on board QE2 when she sailed for the Falklands Conflict for a programme they are making .

Can any crew members who were on board, and who want to talk to the BBC, please contact me for further information.

Thanks,

- Rob

The BBC researcher has not taken the courtesy to reply to me, however I understand from Michael at Cunard that they elected to do a feature based on the Canberra's band instead.

I suspect, therefore, that all the emails and correspondence was a waste of my/our time, but as soon as they confirm this for sure, I'll let you know.

It was only a proposed project, and we gave it our best shot, and we put them in touch with lots of quality contacts.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Michael Gallagher on Jul 25, 2013, 09:15 AM
The BBC decided to reunited the band that went down to the Falklands on the Canberra and some P&O nurses. Although the reuniting took place on Queen Mary 2!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: riskygizmo on Jul 26, 2013, 06:49 PM
The Beeb may have re-thought their film about the Falklands, but ITV news are having a week of articles celebrating 175 years of Cunard, starting with this.

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2013-07-25/cunards-losses/

I don't know if the vid will play outside the UK, though.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jul 26, 2013, 07:07 PM
The Beeb may have re-thought their film about the Falklands, but ITV news are having a week of articles celebrating 175 years of Cunard, starting with this.

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update/2013-07-25/cunards-losses/

I don't know if the vid will play outside the UK, though.

Thanks, didn't know about this at all! Quite a scoop for Cunard! Looking forward to following it through the week.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Jul 26, 2013, 10:01 PM
It does Risky...Thanks!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on May 19, 2014, 10:09 PM
Just wanted to mention that our QE2 sailed off to the Falklands last Monday, May 12 in 1982. 
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Adam Hodson on May 19, 2014, 10:11 PM
Just wanted to mention that our QE2 sailed off to the Falklands last Monday, May 12 in 1982.

Thanks June. Our QE2 has so many anniversaries! :)
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 19, 2014, 10:14 PM
I did not forget!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Adam Hodson on May 19, 2014, 10:14 PM
I did not forget!

Great!  :D
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on May 20, 2014, 02:06 PM
I did not forget!

Rod, I knew you would not forget !
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Hank Hargrove on May 20, 2014, 05:38 PM
Rob's right as any ship with a UK port of registry can be commandeered by the Government in time of war if needed.  In the unlikely event Britain were to face another Falkands type situation requiring large scale maritime forces then it is entirely feasible that both QM2 and QV could be taken up in the same way as their illustrious predecessors and used in a troop carrying capacity.  I say unlikely because it is doubtful there would be sufficient RN capability available to mount another campaign of the magnitude seen in '82 but yes, it's entirely possible should the need arise. 

To be honest, I don't think Argentina can launch an attack either. They've cut their military far more than the UK has.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 20, 2014, 10:14 PM
Rod, I knew you would not forget !
June and all, It is hard to forget such a life changing event. Being issued a Prisoner of War card, to be carried at all times, "just show it to your captors, they will respect it"  Yeah right!!!! At a certain point, ALL ships company, came under Military Discipline, cannot remember the exact date, but that allowed us, for certain transgressions, to be tried by Court Martial and SHOT! That kind of had an impact too!

BTW in the write up under Risky Gizmos vid...Atlantic Conveyor was not torpedoed, it was hit by an Exocet missile.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on May 21, 2014, 03:28 PM
Thank you, Rod, very much for your post and information and remembrances !  June
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Adam Hodson on May 21, 2014, 03:47 PM
Thank you, Rod, very much for your post and information and remembrances !  June

I second that.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Hank Hargrove on May 23, 2014, 06:55 PM
Thank you very much Rod!


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Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on Aug 30, 2014, 05:23 PM
A lot of injured personnel were transferred off the Uganda for the voyage north due to QE2's superior speed. According to the Beyondships site QE2 did indeed make a call at Ascension Island on the northbound with the intention of returning to the War Zone, but the Admiralty released her as the campaign in the Falklands was drawing successfully to a close.

http://www.beyondships.com/QE2-Falklands-2.html

Thank you very much for this additional information, Graham -- once again, QE2's superior speed made all the difference!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Sep 18, 2014, 07:56 PM
There is a very well deserved tribute to Jacqui Hodgson in the latest Cunarder.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on Sep 18, 2014, 08:47 PM
Thank you very much, Rosie, for pointing this out to us.  June   :)
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on May 12, 2015, 02:05 PM
Starting this thread as a repository for this article, and the probability of many memories and more articles :

http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=5297&source=3

I'd also be interested to read what you may be thinking about this rather different period of QE2's life...

On this day in 1982, our QE2 followed in the footsteps of Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth and became a troopship during the Falklands conflict. 

She has served Cunard and her country well.

If only Cunard and The National Maritime Trust could work together and bring QE2 back to England and be placed in a position of honor which she (QE2) so richly deserves.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Alan Snelson on Jun 23, 2015, 05:00 PM
I have just come across this article from September 1982 which is quite a good read and contains some interesting historical information.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083024,00.html
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on Jun 24, 2015, 04:32 PM
Thank you, Alan, for posting the link to this very interesting and fact filled article.  It does indeed provide much information not always found in other articles.  Especially noteworthy was Capt. Jackson expecting our QE2 to be half way through her life based on the life expectancy of most liners.  Our QE2, though, has surpassed all others in many ways including her service life and all she has accomplished and witnessed during her career.  To the QE2 !!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Clydebuilt1971 on Jun 25, 2015, 04:17 PM
I have just come across this article from September 1982 which is quite a good read and contains some interesting historical information.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20083024,00.html

Oh that one had a lump in my throat right enough!!

Interesting to note that (as most of would've concurred at the time) the Capt reckoned we would never see a ship of that type or size made again. Now we have QM2 which, despite what some people would like you to think, is QE2's successor as Queen of the Atlantic run. How things change.....

Thanks for finding and posting the link Alan.

Gav
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Aug 10, 2015, 08:18 PM
Q E 2 LEAVES FOR FALKLAND ISLANDS - NO SOUND - COLOUR

"Liner Queen Elizabeth 2 moored by dock (x 2) MS Helicopter pad over Swimming Pool MCU Welder working on Helicopter pad GV Soldiers and Army Vehicles on deck (x 2) MCU Men working on Helicopter Pad GV Stores swung across by crane (x 3) GV Liner & cranes VARIOUS ANGLES Gurkhas with kit boarding Liner (x 8) MS Officers boarding CU LORD MATHEWS (Victor - Chairman of Cunard) pull back GV & MCU Soldiers lining ships rail GV Families line roof of Ocean Terminal MCU Soldiers with Banners leaning over rail GV Families waving GV Soldiers on upper deck GV Stern of liner & tug MS Line cast-off GV Tugs MCU Ropes coast "

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on Aug 11, 2015, 06:38 PM
Rob, this video has marvelous footage of our war heroine with many, many close up views of her.  When looking at her head on, she appears to be listing a bit to port - any wonder with all of those aboard her ?  And can one even imagine what all of the family and friends seeing her off must have been feeling at that time ?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: cunardqueen on Aug 11, 2015, 08:22 PM
This pic does show some of the cut away parts..
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: pete cain on Sep 13, 2015, 07:52 PM
I hope I'm not duplicating a previous post here, have looked around & cannot see anything , however as always apologies 

 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x327qj0_qe2-in-the-falklands-war_autohttp://
 I'm always looking at alternatives to youtube so it might already be here on the forum
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on Sep 13, 2015, 10:59 PM
Thanks, Pete, for posting the link to this video.  I, myself, have never seen it before and it is awe inspiring. 
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: June Ingram on May 13, 2016, 06:11 PM
Slides - QE2 -The Falklands war troop ship


Comment 'Nice and fast,only ship we could have done it with....Escorts could not live with her....28-29knots,sustained.'
Thanks to NAIAD for making the video

Bringing forward Rosie's post and marvelous slideshow video honoring QE2 as on this day in 1982, she was making her way to The Falklands.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 14, 2016, 01:12 PM
 ‘It was quite an experience’: heading to war on the QE2

http://gu.com/p/4ttnk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: pete cain on May 15, 2016, 08:20 PM
Scared of infringing copyright of 'The Guardian', but deceided to go for it anyway, if mods pull it I'm sure that it'll be saved as part of the story somewhere in TQS vaults, for future. Internet link here :

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/may/13/qe2-heading-to-falkland-islands-ian-fletcher-1982-photograph
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Twynkle on Feb 03, 2019, 09:14 AM
Some excellent photos taken by the ship's photographer and report

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2128733/Queen-went-war-Amazing-pictures-QE2-sailed-Falklands.html

These are good - Maybe these have been posted before?
Rod - and John C, have you seen them?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on Feb 03, 2019, 02:28 PM
Thank you Rosie, I have seen them before. I think the article was posted.
I still don't think the first pic was departure, I think it was arrival. Too many Marines!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 11, 2019, 10:58 PM
Tomorrow,for me at least, marks the 37th anniversary of QE 2 sailing off to war.

I just found out, about 2 days ago. that all the crew on board at that time are now officially recognized as Veterans of Her Majesties Armed Forces. Amazing after 37 years!
We have a cool lapel pin that we can wear.
I will be going to our reunion dinne Jun3 15th in Kissimmee, Florida.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Isabelle Prondzynski on May 12, 2019, 12:10 AM
That must have been a very pleasant surprise, Rod! Congratulations :) . Does it get you any special advantages, such as a pension?

Do you have these reunions quite regularly? Enjoy this rather special one!
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 12, 2019, 12:19 AM
That must have been a very pleasant surprise, Rod! Congratulations :) . Does it get you any special advantages, such as a pension?

Do you have these reunions quite regularly? Enjoy this rather special one!
No special priveliges! The reunion is a yearly thing. This will be the second one in Kissimmee, thats about 20 mins from home.
They do one every year in St. Petersbufg, FL thats about a 2 hour drive. Food is free and the first hour before the meal is free drinks too. But needs an hotel, dog sitter etc. Plus 2 hours in a car would probably kill me.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 12, 2019, 11:39 AM
Tomorrow,for me at least, marks the 37th anniversary of QE 2 sailing off to war.

I just found out, about 2 days ago. that all the crew on board at that time are now officially recognized as Veterans of Her Majesties Armed Forces. Amazing after 37 years!
We have a cool lapel pin that we can wear.
I will be going to our reunion dinne Jun3 15th in Kissimmee, Florida.

I am glad the crew have been recognised in this way, congratulations Rod.  All the crew who agreed to stay with the ship were very brave, I am not certain I would have done this had I been in the same boat, so to speak.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Thomas Hypher on May 13, 2019, 10:22 PM
Congratulations Rod, well deserved and about time you and your colleagues got official recognition.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Alan Snelson on Aug 31, 2019, 12:08 PM
I have literally just discovered this and didn't even know I had it.

It seems to have been a cover put together by J. Sanders. a philatelist company in Southampton, the owner of which was a friend at the time.

The typed bits and the image of the ship have been stuck on to an envelope of Windsor castle. It has then been date stamped.

It might even be a one off, I just don't remember.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rod on May 12, 2020, 03:46 PM
38 years ago today!

Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Lynda Bradford on May 14, 2020, 09:51 AM
Thanks Rod, for the picture and the reminder of the anniversary of the Falklands War. I remember you saying that there was an annual Falklands reunion that you attended every year. Maybe not possible to have a physical reunion this year because of Covid-19, but I hope you were able to meet with friends over the internet to commemorate the event. 

Last year you told us that all QE2 crew were recognised as Veterans of HM Armed Forces - a badge to be worn with pride.  Maybe you could wear it at today's Zoom session!

Tomorrow,for me at least, marks the 37th anniversary of QE 2 sailing off to war.

I just found out, about 2 days ago. that all the crew on board at that time are now officially recognized as Veterans of Her Majesties Armed Forces. Amazing after 37 years!
We have a cool lapel pin that we can wear.
I will be going to our reunion dinne Jun3 15th in Kissimmee, Florida.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 14, 2020, 12:24 PM
Has there ever been a list published of those members of QE2 crew who sailed south, maybe even by department and nationality.

As far as i remember, in my time on QE2, there were only a handful left, Capt Warwick, John Davies, Andrew Nelder & Jacqui Hodgeson.

Michael G; are there any more i've forgotten about?
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 14, 2020, 12:56 PM
Many years ago, possibly 9 or 10, i was at my local Farmer's Market when i saw a cahp in a QM2 baseball cap, i was wearing my QE2 Crew windproof at the time. We got chatting and he turned out to have been a Purser on QE2 when she went south in 1982. He said that he had a CD of photos he'd taken during the trip and would i like a copy!
Anyway a week or so later he phoned to say the CD was ready so i drove out to collect it, he lives in a village about 4 miles away. It's fascinating to look through these private photos, i'm sorry but i won't publish any without his permission.

A couple of years later my wife and i went to the village's AmDram production of 'Goodnight Mr Tom', an excellent production by the way, and in one of the scenes there was a RN Officer, dressed in a Cunard 2nd Purser's uniform!! No idea's where that costume came from!!

Sadly i haven't seen him in a few years and don't even know if he's still alive, i must check with a friend who knows him through the AmDram society.

Another job for lock down, look through his CD again.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on May 14, 2020, 02:07 PM
Thanks Andy.

It would be great to "rescue" his photos and have them here so everyone can learn from them.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Terry Foskett on May 27, 2020, 05:38 AM
Andy, you left out me. I was the Junior 1st Hotel Officer - Berthing Officer and I also provided some open source intel on the Argentines for the RN and 5th Inf Bde Intelligence.
Keep safe and well
Terry Foskett
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Andy Holloway on May 27, 2020, 08:04 AM
Andy, you left out me. I was the Junior 1st Hotel Officer - Berthing Officer and I also provided some open source intel on the Argentines for the RN and 5th Inf Bde Intelligence.
Keep safe and well
Terry Foskett
Terry.

Many, many apologies for that, as soon as I saw your name on your post it suddenly dawned on me I'd forgotten about you. I kept trying to remember who I could see In my mind's eye wearing the SAM.
Thanks for also adding the last little snips of info, it all goes toward increasing our knowledge of Op Corporate.

Stay safe yourself 'shipmate', looking forward to sharing a wet at the next QE2 crew reunion, whenever that may be.
Title: Re: QE2 and the Falklands War
Post by: Rob Lightbody on Jun 01, 2020, 09:36 AM
Historically interesting video here showing QE2 disembarking the Falklands troops in Southampton, and with an excellent blast of her whistles towards to end.