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Offline Pete Hamill

Re: The Lifeboats 2016
« Reply #40 on: Aug 30, 2016, 10:45 PM »
That last photo shows just how much her profile has changed. She has completely lost her character with the removal of the lifeboats, davits and associated gear. The extent of the removal surely and sadly has to confirm it is permanent.

The lifeboats were an integral part of her and she looks forlorn without them.

Our photos of her in service are now becoming even more important in keeping the legend alive.

Offline holynougat

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #41 on: Aug 31, 2016, 07:15 AM »
Oh dear, this latest photo is quite depressing - unless of course new davits and boats are going to be fitted.
The davits were pretty rotten 10 years ago, so they did need replacement and would certainly have been replaced in a life extension program, but I don't think that is what is going on here.

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #42 on: Aug 31, 2016, 08:58 AM »
Oh dear, this latest photo is quite depressing - unless of course new davits and boats are going to be fitted.
The davits were pretty rotten 10 years ago, so they did need replacement and would certainly have been replaced in a life extension program, but I don't think that is what is going on here.

That's interesting, thanks. Ten years ago they were 19 years old by my reckoning...? Why so rotten?
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Offline Mermaid

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #43 on: Aug 31, 2016, 09:04 AM »
Quite a number of the davits were removed when the ship was in a refit in Germany. This was because the foundations of the davits had rotted with rust.

Offline Twynkle

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #44 on: Aug 31, 2016, 10:58 AM »
Hi Mermaid
Thank you for the info.
Is there any chance you know the date of that refit - was it at B & V?

Simply as a matter of interest, I've been trying to find a way to re-access the Lloyds Assessment that as Rob knows, is now inaccessible via the original link.

Very fortunately, Bob posted pages of it here post #44
"My eyes are dim - I cannot see etc"
Please might it be possible for someone with good vision to tell more about a) the date of report and b) whether the ?winches? mentioned are relevant to the Davits?
https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1879.msg55713.html#msg55713
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« Last Edit: Aug 31, 2016, 11:13 AM by Twynkle »
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Offline Rod

Re: The Lifeboats 2016
« Reply #45 on: Aug 31, 2016, 12:50 PM »
This is terrible news, but after the removal of the lifeboats it is what could be expected.  I wonder what will be next to go!

What would be the metal of the davits? Could they be looking at how to finance the conversion of the ship by bit by bit removing metal or item of value?

I really do not know what to say! Very sad news.
Lynda, you probably would not recoup your removal costs at scrap value.

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #46 on: Aug 31, 2016, 01:59 PM »
When QE2 first went to Dubai, a diagram of the ship was put forth that showed the funnel removed and set up on the pier as an entrance.  A glass funnel with suites and a pool was supposed to be put on QE2 in the funnel's place.  In that same diagram, there is a caption saying that the lifeboats will be removed. 

While the work progressing seems to be at a slow pace, perhaps because of money?, do you suppose Dubai are going back to their original plan of conversion which did include removal of the lifeboats ?
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #47 on: Aug 31, 2016, 02:17 PM »
When QE2 first went to Dubai, a diagram of the ship was put forth that showed the funnel removed and set up on the pier as an entrance.  A glass funnel with suites and a pool was supposed to be put on QE2 in the funnel's place.  In that same diagram, there is a caption saying that the lifeboats will be removed. 

While the work progressing seems to be at a slow pace, perhaps because of money?, do you suppose Dubai are going back to their original plan of conversion which did include removal of the lifeboats ?

Slow pace of work has nothing to do with money its other reasons.Her owners are not going back to her original or the Asian plan.This now is other plan and the lifeboats most likely are not part of it.The main is thing is there is a budget,a plan.QE2 has a future but not as a ship.

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #48 on: Aug 31, 2016, 03:30 PM »
On historic objects, including buildings, it is quite often relatively cheap to remove something, but extremely expensive or impossible to ever put it back.  That's why conversions of anything important have to be treated with extreme care and expertise, or you ruin what you have.

SS Rotterdam looks exactly the same externally as when in service. This is the correct approach.  They altered what they needed to, to create a viable hotel, but the ship itself was mostly left alone.

Another example is Queen Mary's engine rooms and the bulkheads they removed which caused structural problems and prevented the beautiful pool ever being used.  Short sighted.

Making space on the boat deck makes sense. It's practical. But that just doesn't apply to special old objects. You can't just "improve"them Willy nilly for their new role.  She's historic.  Be careful with her.
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #49 on: Aug 31, 2016, 03:44 PM »
This now is other plan and the lifeboats most likely are not part of it.The main is thing is there is a budget,a plan.QE2 has a future but not as a ship.

Oh, gosh… I fear that they're doing something like the Chinese did with the Minghua (ex-Ancerville) at Shekou:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Minghua_Ship_of_Shekou_Marine_World_at_dusk.JPG

Offline holynougat

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #50 on: Aug 31, 2016, 03:55 PM »
Really terrible.
Well, we all wondered how it would end and now it looks like we have a pretty good idea.

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #51 on: Aug 31, 2016, 05:49 PM »
Interesting to get a good view of the officers cabins windows under the funnel and aft Penthouse block. Cunard always wanted to build new balcony Penthouses there but the obstruction by lifeboats always stopped the plan - even though such rooms were built on Vistafjord

Perhaps this is what Dubai plans - more (unobstructed) balcony cabins?

Offline Bruce Nicholls

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #52 on: Aug 31, 2016, 06:28 PM »
Not in the least surprised by any of this. Are the life boats for sale? They definitely have some value locally.

Offline pete cain

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #53 on: Aug 31, 2016, 08:32 PM »
Rob, got to be hopeful here (but I admit I'm not at all) the davits were bolted to the deck & superstructure, they are steel & insulated from the aluminium by thick rubber type gaskets, I doubt the steel value is worth much, however the historical value is untold, if they aren't scrapped , at least they can be bolted back into position. I have my suspicion that they may form some hideous arch en-route to the abortion she is rapidly becoming  . So sad, so incomprehensible, so what I hear them say!!.

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #54 on: Sep 01, 2016, 06:26 PM »
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  Not in the least surprised by any of this. Are the life boats for sale? They definitely have some value locally.   

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Offline Twynkle

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #55 on: Sep 01, 2016, 08:38 PM »
Hopefully they are Very definitely Not For Sale and just 'resting', whilst the fittings for the davits are restored.
(Although, if they are to be left off the ship, they would make magnificent Museum exhibits in many ports that loved QE2).
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Offline Bob Flett

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #56 on: Sep 01, 2016, 08:59 PM »
Wonder how much they would be worth, who would not love to own a lifeboat from QE2 ?
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Offline Twynkle

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #57 on: Sep 02, 2016, 09:14 AM »
Hi Louis
Thank you again - it's a beautiful image that you posted this morning.

Please - Is there any further information regarding the future of the Lifeboats?
I've heard from a good friend abroad who has suggested that they may need to be  rescued and bought back Home - and possibly the sooner the better - because as he writes, If QE2 doesn't survive, or does in another disguise, without them - the Lifeboats could be the only things 'floaty things left with Queen Elizabeth 2 on them'.
All the best
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #58 on: Sep 02, 2016, 01:03 PM »
30th August 2016 A close up of QE2 with the missing davits,photo taken this late afternoon,the guy was be stay un named

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #59 on: Sep 02, 2016, 03:34 PM »
 Her surgery is not for the better !
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Offline Chris Frame

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #60 on: Sep 04, 2016, 02:18 PM »
Interesting to get a good view of the officers cabins windows under the funnel and aft Penthouse block. Cunard always wanted to build new balcony Penthouses there but the obstruction by lifeboats always stopped the plan - even though such rooms were built on Vistafjord

Perhaps this is what Dubai plans - more (unobstructed) balcony cabins?

Interesting given the Sun Deck penthouses already had boats in front of them. I assume it was the larger boats (8-11) that caused the issue? Then again, for extra revenue why not just have moved the bigger boats further aft - perhaps a weigh issue?

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #61 on: Sep 04, 2016, 02:28 PM »
They had already planned a transparent funnel, maybe now they're planning transparent lifeboats?

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #62 on: Sep 04, 2016, 02:52 PM »
They had already planned a transparent funnel, maybe now they're planning transparent lifeboats?

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That funnel was never a oficial plan

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #63 on: Sep 04, 2016, 03:23 PM »
That funnel was never a oficial plan

What do you mean by that? I have a copy of the glass funnel plan...
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Offline Twynkle

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #64 on: Sep 04, 2016, 04:25 PM »
Interesting to get a good view of the officers cabins windows under the funnel and aft Penthouse block. Cunard always wanted to build new balcony Penthouses there but the obstruction by lifeboats always stopped the plan - even though such rooms were built on Vistafjord

Perhaps this is what Dubai plans - more (unobstructed) balcony cabins?

Hmm - Perhaps!
The 'deconstruction' of the 'davits and Safety Boats' has already altered her profile, particularly along the aft area of her boat deck...
Her 'shape' profile at that level will be looking bare now - her style would be eroded further still.
Doesn't this make 'Deck 13' pale into insignificance! ;)
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(It wouldn't do, to ruin her Sun Deck used for that NYE party, would it!)
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #65 on: Sep 05, 2016, 01:10 AM »
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What do you mean by that? I have a copy of the glass funnel plan...     

Funny Rob,l thought the same thing,The Glass funnel plan featured in the early days .
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #66 on: Sep 05, 2016, 05:53 PM »
The glass funnel with her original funnel as an entrance way figures in a number of published plans.  Thank goodness none of those things happened !
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Offline citrail

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #67 on: Sep 08, 2016, 06:14 PM »
Just read through this thread for the first time.

Just to say I was one of the "guilty" ones who used the moron word and I meant it. As Rob has said, NO ONE is talkiing down the actual people who work on board, they're just carrying out what they're told to do.  It's the owners who are morons! luckily they can't buy the Mona Lisa or other great works of art as they'd most likely want to carry out  "improvements" to those as well >:(

Offline Michael Gallagher

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #68 on: Oct 16, 2016, 10:05 AM »
These are the officers cabins on Sun Deck Cunard always wanted to turn into additional Penthouse accommodation:

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #69 on: Oct 16, 2016, 10:22 AM »
The Lifeboats

Offline Roy Warrender

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #70 on: Oct 24, 2016, 10:23 AM »
Interesting are the davits designed to be inter replacable or for one position only, as they appear to be just mixed up does this indicate they will not be replaced

Offline Rod

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #71 on: Oct 24, 2016, 12:26 PM »
Different weight boats have different davits. When I was there davit arms were numbered.

Offline Pete Hamill

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #72 on: Oct 24, 2016, 03:23 PM »
Sad to say that just looks like a pile of scrap on a one-way ticket.

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #73 on: Oct 24, 2016, 03:45 PM »
Thanks very much, Louis, for sharing these photos of our QE2's boats and davits.  It is sad to see all of her parts here tossed into a pile next to her "boatlings".
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #74 on: Oct 24, 2016, 06:31 PM »
Great pics, thanks Davina.

It is certainly upsetting seeing the davits and boats dumped like this, but its not as upsetting as seeing that they'd been cut off the ship in the first place.  The first really profound mistake that has been made,  in my humble opinion.
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Offline Brandon Sterkel

Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #75 on: Oct 25, 2016, 03:07 AM »
Thanks Louis for the photos, but really sad to see the davits in piles on the dockside.
They shouldn't have been removed from the ship.
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #76 on: Oct 25, 2016, 12:37 PM »
Not only davits but pontoons.

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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #77 on: Oct 25, 2016, 01:23 PM »
Thanks again, Louis, for posting these photos. Do you know if any of the parts that have been removed have been taken away ?
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #78 on: Oct 25, 2016, 07:01 PM »
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Re: Lifeboats/Davits Removal 2016
« Reply #79 on: Oct 26, 2016, 10:03 AM »
First the engines, now the lifeboats and davits...

Very sad that since 2012, her Dubai owners have done nothing else than to ruin and flaw her.