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Offline Waverley

QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« on: Jun 05, 2009, 09:29 PM »
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When QUEEN ELISABETH 2 left the Norwegian city Ă…lesund Sunday evening, there was an incident with the tug MULTIMAMMUT. Apparently there was a line still attached between the tug and liner which should not have been, and as the QE2 moved out, it pulled the tug very far over until the bridge nearly was awash. The line then came loose from the tug, and the tug righted itself immediately.

As I understand things, the tug had not taken on water, but would have done so if the bridge had gone under. No persons were injured. It seems to have hit the news just a few minutes ago - there is yet only one newsitem out on it, and a rather information-challenged one at that. The local newspaper in Ă…lesund doesn't seem to do much updating of its website on Sundays. There is no information or indication of fault yet.

Images of the incident, and then of QE2's departure, at links below.

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/slideshow/31064/1.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/slideshow/31064/2.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/slideshow/31064/3.jpg
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http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/slideshow/31064/5.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/slideshow/31064/6.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/slideshow/31064/0.jpg
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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #1 on: Jun 05, 2009, 10:18 PM »
Whoops!

Oustanding find Robert.  Are you getting paid to do all this research?  Do you have time for your day job?  Regardless, your posts are incredibly interesting and much appreciated.

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #2 on: Mar 11, 2010, 07:50 AM »
I can't believe we don't have a topic about tugs yet?

Is 'tugged' a verb if you say - QE2 is being tugged just now - or what was the proper term?

Have a look at this SUPERB photo of QE2 being tugged on the Clyde in 2007, 40 years to the day after her launch there, by the Flying Phantom.

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #3 on: Mar 11, 2010, 08:45 AM »
Superb photo, Rob!
It's a very sad story too -
3 crew lost their lives as she capsized a couple of months later.
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I can't believe we don't have a topic about tugs yet? 
We did have a topic on tugs - I think!
There are 4 pages with references to them.
QE2 must have known more tugs than most - all round the world!!
« Last Edit: Mar 11, 2010, 06:42 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #4 on: Mar 11, 2010, 09:44 AM »
Superb photo, Rob!
It's a very sad story too -
3 crew lost their lives as she capsized soon after it was taken
that makes it sound like it was the same day or something! It was 3 months later. I listened in to the marine radio channels that day - all the tugs were very proud to be working with the mighty QE2 and were enjoying talking to her too. When QM2 appeared last year, the tugs were, of course, nowhere to be seen.
« Last Edit: Mar 11, 2010, 10:18 AM by Rob Lightbody »
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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #5 on: Mar 11, 2010, 10:04 AM »
You would not say 'tugged'

The ship 'takes a tug' - but its called towage, so the ship would be 'under tow'

When a ship capsizes a tug it is usually due to 'girting' i.e. when the tug ends up 90 degrees to the direction of the ship and literally gets pulled over - very dangerous and why most tugs have quick release lines these days rather than fixed bollards.


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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #6 on: Mar 11, 2010, 11:08 AM »
QE2 under tow in Mombasa, Kenya during the 1991 World Cruise.



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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #7 on: Mar 11, 2010, 11:11 AM »

And here in Sydney, Australia in 1994 with 4 tugs



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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #8 on: Mar 11, 2010, 06:30 PM »
New York, August 1969 with a Moran Towing Corp tug ("M") positioning to help us get underway from Pier 92 and the same tug between Piers 88 and 90.




Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #9 on: Mar 11, 2010, 07:05 PM »
You would not say 'tugged'

The ship 'takes a tug' - but its called towage, so the ship would be 'under tow'

When a ship capsizes a tug it is usually due to 'girting' i.e. when the tug ends up 90 degrees to the direction of the ship and literally gets pulled over - very dangerous and why most tugs have quick release lines these days rather than fixed bollards.

Steering QE2 and at the same time, co-ordinating tugs, speed, direction and conditions must have been difficult.
Was it usually done under direction of the Pilot  - albeit, with the Master still 'in charge'?
This was taken in Geiranger, Norway 2008 - QE2 had been under tow (2 tugs) for a considerable length of the fjord.
It would seem that the tug is almost at right angles to the bow of QE2.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/watch_keeper/3660367599/in/set-72157620557118998/

Peter Moxom et al (1990) give a good description of the complexities of tugs, lines and 'letting go' in 'Driving the Hotel'.

 
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #10 on: Mar 11, 2010, 07:09 PM »
Leaving Gib at the end of a cruise in 2007 l was under the bridge and a few of us remarked that the tug did seem very close for comfort as the bow was swinging round. The first photo tried to capture how close the berth was to the tug and to us, we half expected something to get jammed.....   



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« Reply #11 on: Mar 11, 2010, 08:34 PM »
Leaving Gib at the end of a cruise in 2007 l was under the bridge and a few of us remarked that the tug did seem very close for comfort as the bow was swinging round. The first photo tried to capture how close the berth was to the tug and to us, we half expected something to get jammed.....   

Tug masters are very down-to-earth and seat-of-the-pants kind of folks.  I joined them on occasion when they brought the aircraft carriers in to San Diego as part of my Navigator training.  They know there boats very well as far as power, speed, size, where to go and most importantly where not to go.  Not to say they don't make mistakes from time to time but they are very good at what they do. 

I got to drive the tug too - most fun I've had driving anything on the water.  Rremember they don't have conventional propellers and can maneuver in any direction at any time with lots of power. 

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #12 on: Mar 11, 2010, 09:04 PM »
We did have a topic on tugs - I think!

I thought so too, Rosie, and checked... it turned out that it was Pilot Boats :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1360.0.html

It would be great now to use that topic specifically for QE2 and the Pilot Boats   :D   !

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #13 on: Mar 11, 2010, 09:27 PM »
I can't believe we don't have a topic about tugs yet?

Is 'tugged' a verb if you say - QE2 is being tugged just now - or what was the proper term?

Have a look at this SUPERB photo of QE2 being tugged on the Clyde in 2007, 40 years to the day after her launch there, by the Flying Phantom.

http://www.ephotozine.com/photo/1490866

Greenock, 20.09.2007

Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #14 on: Mar 11, 2010, 10:29 PM »
I thought so too, Rosie, and checked... it turned out that it was Pilot Boats :

https://www.theqe2story.com/forum/index.php/topic,1360.0.html

It would be great now to use that topic specifically for QE2 and the Pilot Boats   :D   !

Isabelle - I'm  still wondering about the tug topic... :)
Maybe it got mixed up somewhere else - or (Sssh!) accidentally got buried in the archives?!

Here's a tug helping QE2 in her farewell to Adelaide  - just over 2 years ago - and QM2 left there yesterday!
Thanks to casnick1
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #15 on: Mar 11, 2010, 11:23 PM »
Robert - that's interesting...

and Everybody -  take a look at this!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/3343075272/
Isabelle - Thank you!
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #16 on: Mar 12, 2010, 12:25 AM »
Robert - that's interesting...

and Everybody -  take a look at this!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/3343075272/
Isabelle - Thank you!

Thank you, Rosie!
This is one of my favourites... of many! New York sailaway -- QE2 saluting the leading tug :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/3163046827/

Offline holynougat

Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #17 on: Mar 12, 2010, 04:02 AM »
Rosie - The master is of course always in charge of the ship, but the pilot will always coordinate the tugs.

The QE2 could not really maintain her own heading at much below 5 knots, so you often had tugs standing by while the ship was making reasonable headway.

Yes, there are many different types of tugs these days, quite a few of which can go sideways nearly as quickly as they can go ahead, but tugs are not fast, think of them like lorries, lots of power but no speed.


Offline Twynkle

Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #18 on: Mar 14, 2010, 11:01 AM »
Thanks, holynougat.

A couple of questions (!!)
The pilots and tug masters round the world -
did / do most speak 'nautical language' in English?

Where did QE2 need to take the most and the fewest tugs?
Some harbours and anchorages look a good deal more 'interesting' than others -
in terms of conditions as well as position!
Rosie.
 
« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2010, 02:45 PM by Twynkle »
QE2 had been waiting alongside in Dubai for nearly 12 years.  Please restore her Lifeboats and Tenders to where they truly belong - she looks naked without them - please spare her this ignominy.

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Re: QE2 and the tug or tugs / being tugged
« Reply #19 on: Mar 14, 2010, 11:52 PM »
Another photo from Greenock, this one taken on 5 October 2008, her farewell call :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2922549320/



Almost all my others of QE2 and the tugs are taken from on board!

 

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