Author Topic: Cunard logo removal / Debranding of the ship (Read 13252 times)

Isabelle Prondzynski · « **on:** Mar 12, 2009, 08:21 PM »

Here are a couple of brand new Flickr uploads from Mike Powell (lemoncat1), taken in Dubai on 3 March :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemoncat1/3349711270/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemoncat1/3349710564/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Hard to make out whether there is any activity going on around QE2... but doesn't she look out of place...

Rob Lightbody · « **Reply #1 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 08:25 PM »

CUNARD has been painted out/removed! She looks naked without it, and it makes me feel odd, and sad.

Cunard - How could you? What have you done?

Isabelle Prondzynski · « **Reply #2 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 08:43 PM »

That's really shocking, Rob....

And you are right, she does look pale, sickly and naked...

I remember reading in one of the books how these CUNARD letters were made for her, and how very expensive they were.

As I continue to upload my September photos, there will be some of each letter separately... had a good look at them then... so huge and so finely cut.

These latest pictures look as though the letters have been both removed and painted over...

Scott Ebersold · « **Reply #3 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 09:05 PM »

That makes me feel a bit sick inside. That lettering was part of what she was. Why would they want to strip her of her identity.

Dr. Edmund Carus · « **Reply #4 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 09:24 PM »

So awfully sad! Lost for words.

singlemalt · « **Reply #5 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 10:09 PM »

Reality hits home or what?

did anyone else enlarge the pic? is it just me or are there still chairs along Promenade deck? My eyes even thought they could see figures on the Bridge (but no glasses on so may be wrong

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It seems so surreal.

Isabelle Prondzynski · « **Reply #6 on:** Mar 12, 2009, 10:11 PM »

Uploaded the photos of the logo.

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=cunard%20logo&w=55206992%40N00

The letters look awfully easy to detach...

Here is one that shows the sheer size of the logo (when it was still there...)...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/2886990626/

Such a simple thing... bringing home the enormity of what has been done to QE2...

stowaway2k · « **Reply #7 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 01:12 AM »

And so it begins...

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did anyone else enlarge the pic?

I did

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is it just me or are there still chairs along Promenade deck?

Looks like there could be...

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My eyes even thought they could see figures on the Bridge

Looks like there could be...

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(but no glasses on so may be wrong )

Yeah, it's hard to get a clear closeup as the original if from some distance.

I could see the "shadow" of where CUNARD once was, for four decades, it could have just been painted over. Perhaps when some former QE2ers arrive later this month on QM2 or QV, we'll learn more. But, I really don't want to, as I'm still in partial denial.

Bob C. · « **Reply #8 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 05:29 AM »

its jsut wrong

Mauretania1907 · « **Reply #9 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 06:08 AM »

I shake my head in sadness, but Cunard HAS sold her - or rather Carnivorious has.

Dr. Edmund Carus · « **Reply #10 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 06:36 AM »

Did Carnival stipulate that "CUNARD" had to be removed I wonder?

Mauretania1907 · « **Reply #11 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 06:48 AM »

That could be possible, but Nakheel have taken a while to actually do so. I wonder if the removal of the logo now has to do with the immanent arrival of Q Mary and Q Victoria later this month.

NairB · « **Reply #12 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 06:51 AM »

Very sad indeed.

I wonder what they plan to do with the CUNARD logo?

Maybe Glasgow and Southampton should get a logo each. Better still, can I have them please

-NairB

Dr. Edmund Carus · « **Reply #13 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 07:16 AM »

Let's hope Nakheel does not tamper with the funnel colours. Yes I wonder - has Cunard wanted the logo removal knowing that both "the Fat Lady's" or Vicky Brown's webcams will be operating. Just a thought knowing the machinations of "Carnival and the Corporate Mind".

Cheers!

hollihedge · « **Reply #14 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 07:44 AM »

How could they?! It is part of who she is. Very sad

Dr. Edmund Carus · « **Reply #15 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 09:49 AM »

Thanks Rob. I need some new glasses!

Cheers!

Twynkle · « **Reply #16 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 03:09 PM »

Maybe, just maybe the photos were taken between coats of paint...

On the other hand - there's a dreadful feel about it - and thank goodness for all the Great images that everyone keeps posting.

This is a heartfelt plea to keep the Gallery going!

Can we keep it going for as long as is possible...please?

Twynkle · « **Reply #17 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 03:43 PM »

Not sure if this will be of any help really...another reminder, tho'

http://www.freefoto.com/preview/2026-32-4?ffid=2026-32-4&k=QE2+Queen+Elizabeth+2+the+flagship+of+the+Cunard+Line.

Dr. Edmund Carus · « **Reply #18 on:** Mar 13, 2009, 05:19 PM »

This is a fascinating picture. You can see how time/wear and tear has slightly distorted areas of the aluminum superstructure of the ship.

Cheers!

Cunardqueen · « **Reply #19 on:** Mar 14, 2009, 12:38 AM »

For all the many times l stood on the quayside, and gazed upwards to look at CUNARD the name of quality, l never saw the screws fixing it in place, l just assumed it was welded inplace and never imagined it would be removed . Makes you think what will be next to go.

highlander0108 · « **Reply #20 on:** Mar 14, 2009, 07:13 AM »

Quote from: Cunardqueen on Mar 14, 2009, 12:38 AM

For all the many times l stood on the quayside, and gazed upwards to look at CUNARD the name of quality, l never saw the screws fixing it in place, l just assumed it was welded inplace and never imagined it would be removed . Makes you think what will be next to go.

I have closeup photos of the logo and your description is correct, I think. I also thought they were steel plate, welded to the superstructure, similar to the bow name, but I have looked closer to a photo I took in NYC in April and from that angle, I think I can make out fasteners along the edges buried beneath the many layers of Cunard red paint. Let's hope they took them down for refurbishment. I cannot imagine any reason to take the logo off and if Carnival stipulated that the logo be removed, why didn't they do that and keep it for themselves! It certainly would have been nice to clean it up and add it back on the new QE......maybe they're going to do that as a nice gesture??? Along similar thought, does anyone know if the Warwick Crest was torched off from below the bridge?

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/Highlander0108/QE2%20Transatlantic/QE2%20April%202008%20NYC/?action=view&current=DSC03847.jpg
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If you click on the full size version, the resolution is better. This was unfortunately taken with my DVD camcorder and not my Nikon.

Mauretania1907 · « **Reply #21 on:** Mar 14, 2009, 07:16 AM »

the death of a thousand little cuts (ancient Chinese torture)

Chris · « **Reply #22 on:** Mar 14, 2009, 08:25 AM »

Hello all, I am off QM2 now and at Singapore Airport awaiting my flight home. Lectures were a superb success and all 2,000+ photographs were taken for possible use in our upcoming QM2 book

How things have changed during the past 16 nights!

It looks to me that the word CUNARD is still there but has simply been painted over?

The word CUNARD was actually moved during the 1994 project lifestyle refit when it was re-located several feet forward to allow for the addition of the Cunard Lion Decal - so it must be a fairly do-able task to remove it.

It seemed to me that this would occur; and to be honest I am surprised it wasn't done earlier. QE2 is no longer a Cunard ship, and so it makes sense that the Cunard brand would be removed, probably to be replaced by the logo of Nakheel - although I do agree, she does look naked without it.

Isabelle Prondzynski · « **Reply #23 on:** Mar 14, 2009, 01:58 PM »

Quote from: highlander0108 on Mar 14, 2009, 07:13 AM

I also thought they were steel plate, welded to the superstructure, similar to the bow name, but I have looked closer to a photo I took in NYC in April and from that angle, I think I can make out fasteners along the edges buried beneath the many layers of Cunard red paint. Let's hope they took them down for refurbishment.

This photo also shows the detail of just the one letter D :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/prondis_in_kenya/3349395177/

Looks like these letters are quite detachable... but if they have been permanently detached... where are they now?

Waverley · « **Reply #24 on:** Mar 14, 2009, 07:41 PM »

Very disappointed that the CUNARD lettering has been removed. I did not know that they were separate letters. In this case they could be rearranged on the quay to spell NACURD, which best describes the situation at the moment for this fine ship. I suppose if it is replaced with NAKHEEL then at least they do have the first two letters.

Robert

Andrew W · « **Reply #25 on:** Mar 14, 2009, 09:28 PM »

... and if you had both sides you could make

NA CUNARD CRUD

Which might be appropriate ? Unfortunately I cannot think of anything ruder that could come out of the letters.

Mauretania1907 · « **Reply #26 on:** Mar 15, 2009, 01:59 AM »

I could make CARN CRUD, which sheets my ire home to where I think it belongs, those who took the money.

Was the Warwick crest a lion holding a globe just underneath where people were standing below the bridge in the video clip posted above.

Twynkle · « **Reply #27 on:** Mar 15, 2009, 03:27 PM »

Canard is a French word for a duck, and is often used in English to refer to a deliberately false story Wiki - 15.03.'09.

Methinks this says everything!

Andy F · « **Reply #28 on:** Mar 18, 2009, 12:57 AM »

Sadly it comes as no surprise to find the name has been removed and like Chris, I'm surprised tbh that this wasn't done at the time of handover (assuming that is, that it was a condition of the sale). As to the wherabouts of the letters, it's possible they may end up in the new heritage museum but equally, I wouldn't put it past them appearing in the same skip as the other items sadly.

Chris · « **Reply #29 on:** Apr 15, 2009, 01:38 PM »

This image - very clearly - shows the CUNARD lettering still there, just painted out.

Large Size -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Queen_Elizabeth_2.jpg

Thanks to Wikipedia.

Kev · « **Reply #30 on:** Apr 15, 2009, 08:01 PM »

Good one Chris.I zoomed in you can def see the word.

I could drop down from my spacecraft with a pot of Cunard red if requested.....It's a lot less bovver wiv a hover...

Kev · « **Reply #31 on:** Apr 19, 2009, 11:07 PM »

Here is a pic of the Cunard logo Port side Aug 08
Difficult to see any fixings though there appears to be a hint of black basecoat here and there around certain edges and a spot of rust under the C

Scott Ebersold · « **Reply #32 on:** Apr 21, 2009, 04:47 AM »

Bob,

It was great to see those photos side by side. Thanks!

I know WHY they did it ... but it still always makes me feel sad I never got to look out those forward facing windows! It would have been so cool.

scott

Heather · « **Reply #33 on:** Jul 18, 2009, 11:00 PM »

Quote from: Isabelle Prondzynski on Mar 12, 2009, 08:21 PM

Here are a couple of brand new Flickr uploads from Mike Powell (lemoncat1), taken in Dubai on 3 March :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemoncat1/3349711270/sizes/l/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lemoncat1/3349710564/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Hard to make out whether there is any activity going on around QE2... but doesn't she look out of place...

Will look even worse if they take her funnel off - heartbreaking!

MrT · « **Reply #34 on:** Jul 18, 2009, 11:16 PM »

Seems pretty clear from the bottom shot that she actually has two engines running at that time also - we have heard they cycle through all 9 engines so perhaps this was close to the change-over or they need a bit more welly to try to help the poor old air-conditioning system!

Alex...

Heather · « **Reply #35 on:** Jul 18, 2009, 11:36 PM »

Quote from: NairB on Mar 13, 2009, 06:51 AM

Very sad indeed.

I wonder what they plan to do with the CUNARD logo?

Maybe Glasgow and Southampton should get a logo each. Better still, can I have them please

-NairB

Thanks for thinking of Glasgow! We are, and always will be proud of our QE2.

She will always be part of us wherever she is in the world.

pjswansea · « **Reply #36 on:** Aug 04, 2009, 08:07 AM »

With the sale of the QE2 to Nakeheel, were there any stipulations on the use of the Cunard brand/logo? As we're all aware the logo has gone on the side of the ship. However, my recollections are that Cunard covered the QE2 with the logo late in to her career - from lift doors to stationary etc.

I'm guessing most of the loose branded fixtures and fittings has gone in the skips, but what are Nakeheel going to do regarding the fixed fittings - e.g. the pool, lift doors etc? Is it simply going to be painted over or covered with sticky labels?

I'd love to see the sale contract!

Chris · « **Reply #37 on:** Aug 04, 2009, 08:59 AM »

QE2 had a very interesting collection of Cunard logo styles.

During Project Lifestyle there were several logos added (the exterior lion notwithstanding) of the Cunard lion in a stylised format - the brand used during the latter years of Trafalgar / Kværner. These could be found on the new clocks fitted in 1994, the lift doors (inside) and The Golden Lion Pub to name just a few places. It was also attached above the name under the Funnel (viewable from Sun Deck), and originally had a small tri colour copy of the speed stripe under it.

(1994-1999 logo).

With the re branding of Cunard back to a more traditional image (done post Carnival takeover) the more traditional Golden Lion reappeared along with the full Cunard crest.

(Back to normal).

You can see just how changed the lion was in this image of it as a decal on QE2's side in 1995:

Richard Coltman · « **Reply #38 on:** Aug 04, 2009, 08:44 PM »

I don't think we'll ever to get to see a contract between two private companies, i.e. Cunard and Nakheel.

Looking at the original Queen Mary contract (thank goodness one Cunard Queen went to a public body where we are able to see the contract) there is this:

The name "QUEEN MARY" is attributable to the vessel and so far as concerned Cunard authorises City to continue to use the said name upon the Vessel. Cunard hereby assign to City all their right, title and interest (if any) in the said name by way of copyright, trade mark, trade name or secondary meaning. Provided nevertheless that Cunard reserve the right to use the said name upon any of their existing or future vessels.

The only thing with the QM contract is that when the QM was sold the Cunard brand was really just the name rather than the lion symbol we have now.

Purely supposition on my part, but perhaps Cunard assigned the name "QUEEN ELIZABETH 2" and/or "QE2" to Nakheel i.e. without the "Cunard" bit, with the same proviso to use the name in the future if they wished. On the Nakheel website she is referred to as QE2 - perhaps Cunard only allowed that rather than the full name?

Such a clause could easily request the removal of Cunard branding, since the lettering below the bridge has disappeared. That would fit with only allowing her to be called "QE2".

Anyway, just a hypothesis........

Twynkle · « **Reply #39 on:** Aug 04, 2009, 09:46 PM »

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Business_Feature/10337379.html

Wouldn't it be very, very scary to think that QE2 might become part of the Travelodge chain?

Please Nakheel - might you be able to let us know for certain that this won't happen to The Great QE2.

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Author Topic: Cunard logo removal / Debranding of the ship (Read 13252 times)

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